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Qualk just laid down a gem of a rant on his radio show.
Oct 24, 2022, 1:04 PM
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Well done, sir.
The skewed opinions of punditry toward “blue blood” brands are truly pitiful. Clemson has the best resume of wins in the country right now for sure.
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Amen***
Oct 24, 2022, 1:05 PM
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Re: Qualk just laid down a gem of a rant on his radio show.
Oct 24, 2022, 1:09 PM
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I do not live where I can listen and would not listen anyway but if he is saying we are in the same historical category of Alabama, Georgia, Michigan or Ohio State he is 100% wrong. We can certainly claim a better history than TCU and are probably as good as Tennessee but I have not looked it up.
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Re: Qualk just laid down a gem of a rant on his radio show.
Oct 24, 2022, 1:18 PM
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You are a coot, stupid or both. Georgia has 2 nattys and Clemson has 3. But in your mind Georgia is a blueblood and Clemson isn't. You argue with Qualk and you don't know what he said. Well, you are wrong and I know what you said.
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LOL...bless your heart !!!
Oct 24, 2022, 1:21 PM
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Alabama is in a class by themselves and will probably stay there until Saban retires. After one championship in 40+ years, Georgia is still a work in progress but certainly appears to be trending upward. Michigan and Tennesse haven't done jack $#!7. Neither has been relevant in 20+ years. They need to stay at the top of the polls on a consistent basis and prove this year isn't an anomaly and that they aren't just a flash in-the-pan.
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Re: Qualk just laid down a gem of a rant on his radio show.
Oct 24, 2022, 1:23 PM
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No Valley, that is not what he was saying. He was arguing that the national media does not give Clemson credit, even when it has the best resume, like it does the blue bloods. Basically Clemson has to prove itself time and again, whereas Michigan and Tennessee are given the benefit of the doubt, even with only 1 CFP appearance between them
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My ideal scenario is a Clemson-Georgia Peach Bowl matchup…
Oct 25, 2022, 7:33 AM
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Get the controversy over with before the new year starts.
However, even if Clemson throttled, yeah, that’s right, I said it, throttled the dogs in Atlanta, EVERY SINGLE media pundit would be saying Clemson’s victory was at best a fraudulent win, thrown at the highest levels by officiating, dirty pre-game prank jokes on the Georgia players, “the Georgia players didn’t want to be there…they wanted to be in Arizona”, the Georgia coaches forgot WHAT DAY the game was supposed to played and didn’t get to practice properly, etc, etc, etc.
It will NEVER end for Dabo and the Clemson football team, i.e., the ETERNAL struggle of good over evil.
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Re: My ideal scenario is a Clemson-Georgia Peach Bowl matchup…
Oct 25, 2022, 8:08 AM
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This never ending yearning for punditry approval escapes me.
Clemson is 139-21 over 11 plus years, is the only team in the nation not named Alabama to win 2 natties in the last decade, is on a 14 game winning streak, and in total have a winning record against the most successful teams in the nation over the last decade. What collection of idiots misses out on that reality?
We don't need the approval of sports talking idiots who all spout the same narratives. (Football is better when Texas is good? Michigan,with 1/2 a Natty in my 72 years of life,is a blue blood?)
Why so many Clemson fans want so badly for our rivals in the ACC to be lauded escapes me. I do not recall FSU fans hoping for a better ACC when the Noles were taking names, kicking a$$ and winning titles two decades ago.
Go Tigers!!
Be Happy Tiger Fans!!
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Re: Qualk just laid down a gem of a rant on his radio show.
Oct 24, 2022, 1:11 PM
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If you can find a link for it post please ??
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It will eventually be on the WCCP podcast.
Oct 24, 2022, 1:28 PM
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They record and post the shows each day on their website - http://www.theroarfm.com/podcasts/
It should be at the beginning of the second hour of Out of Bounds when they post it.
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Re: It will eventually be on the WCCP podcast.
Oct 24, 2022, 1:41 PM
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Thank you!!
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Re: Thank you !!
Oct 24, 2022, 4:04 PM
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+1
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I knew it was on when he
Oct 24, 2022, 1:22 PM
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dropped a "doggone."
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Re: Qualk just laid down a gem of a rant on his radio show.
Oct 24, 2022, 1:27 PM
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He got fired up!
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If we are so disrespected
Oct 24, 2022, 1:29 PM
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why were we ranked #4 in the preseason poll this year, a year after finishing with 3 losses and failing to win our conference or even our division?
We finished last year #14 and #16 in the two main polls. If we weren't highly respected, why were we ranked so high this year?
I certainly agree that our resume right now stacks up very well, but let's see what the playoff rankings look like before we start crying about being disrespected. Those rankings are the ones that matter.
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And if they are too low at that point, I guess you
Oct 24, 2022, 1:31 PM
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Will lead the charge saying so, right? LOL
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We should be no lower than #2
Oct 24, 2022, 1:58 PM
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in the first CFP poll in my opinion.
Now, with that said, if we are #3 or lower, I don't think that warrants a bunch of crying about how we aren't respected and how there is an anti-Clemson conspiracy.
We've been in every single college football playoff that we deserved to be in. We were never left out when we had a strong resume. That's the bottom line.
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We are currently ranked #5 ... out of the Top Four.
Oct 24, 2022, 1:33 PM
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Yes, the CFP will eventually take care of itself.
But, it is the disrespect of Clemson's schedule vs. the others. We have beaten three (3) Top 25 teams. Can the other higher ranked team claim that?
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We are the best team if you look at number
Oct 24, 2022, 2:13 PM
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of top 25 wins.
But is that the criteria?
Georgia has a better win than we do, beating Oregon 49-3. Oregon is #8. Other than their close game against Missouri (a 4 point win), they haven't been challenged. Their margin of victory this year is 32.5 points per game.
Ohio State doesn't have any wins over currently ranked teams, but they have dominated every team they've played. Their average margin of victory this year is 36.1 points per game.
Tennessee also has a better win than we do, 52-49 over Alabama. Bama is currently #6. They won by 27 points over current #18 LSU. Their average margin of victory is 25.6 points per game.
Michigan also has what is arguably a better win than we have had, a 24-point win over Penn State (currently #13 in the polls). Other than their 7 point win over Maryland, Michigan has not really been challenged. Their average margin of victory this year is 30.6 points per game.
Our best win is a 6 point overtime win over Wake Forest (currently #10). We also narrowly beat unranked Florida State and current #16 Syracuse. Our average margin of victory this year is 17.3 points per game.
So if the criteria is number of wins over top 25 teams, then we should be #1. But if it's biggest wins, then we are arguably third behind Georgia and Tennessee. An argument can be made that Michigan's win over Penn State is also better than our win over Wake Forest.
If the criteria is dominant performances, it's hard to argue for us since we have had much closer games this year than the other four teams ranked ahead of us.
We can't just choose one criteria (e.g., wins over ranked teams) and cry disrespect when there are other criteria the pollsters use such as quality wins and the "eye test."
Another way to look at it is this: if we play Georgia, Ohio State, Michigan, and Tennessee, do we win? I'm not sure I believe that we would. I don't think we would beat Georgia or Ohio State. I like our chances against Michigan. I think we can beat Tennessee, but I can't say I'm confident that we would.
Can most of us here honestly say that we feel confident that we would beat the teams ranked above us?
Bottom line, if we keep winning, we will be in the playoffs. No question.
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I follow your thought process here. I do think the win at Fla State was a better win than
Oct 24, 2022, 3:22 PM
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Clemson will get credit for. Time and circumstances matter leading up to games. Even though they were not ranked, they were on a hot streak and it was at their place. That nuisance can get lost as the pundits and prognosticators push their products.
I do think to CFP committee will see a better whole body picture and Clemson will be ranked appropriately.
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If we win out, I don't mind being #4. If you want to win
Oct 24, 2022, 3:50 PM
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the National Championship, you have to beat two great teams. I'm not confident we'd beat Georgia or Ohio State, but I'm also not confident that we'd lose. I think we could win. I think it's hard to compare conference wins etc. When we stomped Ohio State 31-0, I thought we had a chance to win, but wasn't confident enough to think we'd win like that. When we beat Alabama 44-16, I thought we had a chance to win, but had no idea we'd beat them like that. Maybe it's just me who is a bad predictor of these outcomes, but it's why you play the game. I think I'm in line with you on this. Win out and I don't care where we are, I won't ##### about bias, as long as we are in top 4. Then, I'm not confident we will win, but I think we have a chance.
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Re: If we are so disrespected
Oct 24, 2022, 1:54 PM
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I could careless about the rankings, what’s pissing me off is the narrative around our schedule and our side of the ACC this year. Other conferences aren’t all world beaters they are top heavy, and this year in the Atlantic it’s pretty solid for the most part yet it’s looked at as cupcakes. The top 5 haven’t played anyone besides us and Tennessee yet media people continue to question us while giving everyone else praises and passes
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Perhaps you're letting your emotions get the best of you.
Oct 24, 2022, 2:29 PM
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"The top 5 haven't played anyone besides us and Tennessee."
Really?
So you don't think Georgia's 46-point win over Oregon (currently ranked #8) is really impressive? I'd consider that more impressive than our 6 point OT win against Wake Forest (currently ranked #10).
Michigan beat Penn State (currently ranked #13) by 24 points. It can be argued that this is more impressive than any of our wins.
The media is questioning us because we haven't looked impressive this year - at least not consistently. Our margin of victory this year is much lower than the four teams ranked ahead of us. We've struggled during parts of most of our games. The "eye test" they like to talk about is a test that we've failed compared to the four teams ranked above us.
Now, at some point it shouldn't just be about how you win, but IF you win. That's why it's so important for us to keep winning. By the end of the year, it's less about style points and more about your record.
Let's see what the CFP rankings are on Tuesday, 11/2 when they come out.
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Re: Perhaps you're letting your emotions get the best of you.
Oct 24, 2022, 3:47 PM
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I believe his thesis was more about the dismissive attitude toward our conference opponents by Klatt, Dinich, and others on the basis that they’re “small schools” who can’t bang with the big ‘uns. They are willing to give de facto credit to a team who beats LSU, for example, because they play “big boy ball” in a “big boy stadium,” whether or not they’re a quality opponent by the numbers (FSU beat LSU this year too, remember?).
It’s a knee-jerk for them to read the name “Syracuse,” etc. and then patently ignore the data while playing to the TV/brand consumers of CFB.
I agree about style vs. record - the truth is the W/L record is about 90% of the puzzle, assuming you’re not self-proclaimed world champion UCF with legitimate credibility problems. Usually the CFP sees things for what they are, thankfully, even if pundits do not.
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Re: Perhaps you're letting your emotions get the best of you.
Oct 24, 2022, 5:05 PM
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You just defeated your own point. You can't say that Clemson has a gripe that ACC opponents aren't respected, but 5hen disrespect opponents of UCF (or Cincinnati, Tulane, etc.). You can't say "that's different." Once you start to explain why "that's different," then you end up using the same premise you just argued against.
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Re: Perhaps you're letting your emotions get the best of you.
Oct 24, 2022, 7:19 PM
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I acknowledge the tension in the logic, and you would be correct if conditions were legitimately equal between Clemson and somebody like 2017 UCF, but that ain’t ceteris paribus to attempt an apples-to-apples analysis of a power-5 vs. non-power-5 team. That’s FAR too much of a reach when the resume of wins (appropriately respected or not) includes multiple AP top 15 power-5 opponents.
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Re: Perhaps you're letting your emotions get the best of you.
Oct 25, 2022, 7:24 AM
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Again, you can make the same argument. Why is NC State better than Cincinnati? Because voters said so? Why is a "P5" team better? Because media pundits say so? No matter how you try to slice it, you're doing the same thing you're complaining about.
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Give us some of his talking points!
Oct 24, 2022, 1:29 PM
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Thanks for sharing!
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Re: They already have it up
Oct 24, 2022, 4:00 PM
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Right around 10min. before the end of the first hour.
It’s lively.
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News Flash, never going to change till we get out of the ACC
Oct 24, 2022, 2:23 PM
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Its just not. And you can thank all those pitiful schools in our conference for it. The only other team outside of Clemson that has been at all relevant in any sort of recent fashion is FSU, and at this point, that is rapidly becoming ancient history as well. When no-body programs like NCST and Wake Forest have to help carry the football water in this conference, its going to be difficult to get any respect. Im not saying I agree with it, or expect you to, but thats why it is the way it is.
Now, as for me, why the Michigans and OSu's of the world get so much benefit when their conference is equally bad if not worse, that I cannot answer. I really cant.
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Part of the issue is that two of the four teams ranked
Oct 24, 2022, 2:33 PM
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ahead of us right now were ranked ahead of us to start the season. They haven't lost, and they have been dominant, so we aren't going to just leapfrog them at this point in the season.
The other issue is that we haven't played like the #1 or #2 team this year. We just haven't. That's on us.
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Re: Qualk just laid down a gem of a rant on his radio show.
Oct 24, 2022, 2:29 PM
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The lack of respect is not towards Clemson. It's toward Wale Forest, NC State, Syracuse, Georgia Tech, etc.
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I'd go with TCU. Talk about getting little respect:
Oct 24, 2022, 4:59 PM
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@ SMU
Oklahoma
@ Kansas
Oklahoma State
Kansas State
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Qualk on fire today! Drop the mic!!***
Oct 24, 2022, 8:18 PM
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