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Most people on this board are Pro Birth Not Pro Life
Jun 26, 2022, 10:45 AM
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Why are lesbians upset over the roe ruling?
Jun 26, 2022, 11:02 AM
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Re: Why are lesbians upset over the roe ruling?
Jun 26, 2022, 11:29 AM
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Why are people in democrat controlled states destroying property? They should be celebrating. I guess most still think abortions are banned now.
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Re: Why are lesbians upset over the roe ruling?
Jun 26, 2022, 6:43 PM
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They only think what their phones tell them is true.
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Re: Why are lesbians upset over the roe ruling?
Jun 26, 2022, 11:22 PM
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It's really about destroying God
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Re: Why are lesbians upset over the roe ruling?
Jun 27, 2022, 7:41 PM
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Why are people in democrat controlled states destroying property? They should be celebrating. I guess most still think abortions are banned now.
Why are they rioting in states where abortion is still legal is a better question?
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Re: Why are lesbians upset over the roe ruling?
Jun 26, 2022, 11:53 AM
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at the end of the day they’re still women, and fighting for their rights? And their is fear that they will go for same sex marriage and interracial marriage next.
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Re: Why are lesbians upset over the roe ruling?
Jun 26, 2022, 12:45 PM
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Aren’t marriages be determined by the state?
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Re: Why are lesbians upset over the roe ruling?
Jun 26, 2022, 1:03 PM
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Haven't heard of the Defense of Marriage Act?
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Re: Why are lesbians upset over the roe ruling?
Jun 26, 2022, 1:21 PM
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I don’t see the relevance here. Section 3 is unconstitutional , section 2 hasn’t been challenged but gives the states the power of “recognition”. So, y’all are implying that the SC is going to do much more to limit same sex marriage than give the power to the states (for which they already have)?
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Re: Why are lesbians upset over the roe ruling?
Jun 27, 2022, 2:01 PM
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I can't speak for whoever "y'all" is. I was letting you know that the federal government does not always leave marriage issues up to the states.
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Re: Most people on this board are Pro Birth Not Pro Life
Jun 26, 2022, 11:27 AM
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I am pro-state's rights.
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Re: Most people on this board are Pro Birth Not Pro Life
Jun 26, 2022, 12:39 PM
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They are mostly old/older white men.
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Re: Most people on this board are Pro Birth Not Pro Life
Jun 26, 2022, 12:57 PM
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They are mostly old/older white men.
haha ik
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Re: Most people on this board are Pro Birth Not Pro Life
Jun 26, 2022, 2:15 PM
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I believe that.
All the women I've spoken to in my family are also pro-life.
Kinda weird that as a man I'm more pro-choice than the women are.
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Re: Most people on this board are Pro Birth Not Pro Life
Jun 26, 2022, 2:36 PM
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Some people think this is a one sided issue for women. It's not.
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Re: Most people on this board are Pro Birth Not Pro Life
Jun 26, 2022, 1:26 PM
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I'm Pro 3 branches of government. The judicial branch should not be playing a role in essentially making law.
At this very moment only 10 states and DC allow physician assisted suicide. So an adult human being of sound mind does NOT have the choice to have a physician help to terminate his or her own life in 40 states.If Roe v Wade was based on sound Constitutional law, it would seem that physician assisted suicide should likewise be a Constitutional right. My body, my choice?
There is nothing in the Constitution that prohibits abortion either. The SCOTUS ruling does nothing more than to put this decision back in the hands of state legislatures and the governors, much as physician assisted suicide is. The voters of each state control who sits in the state houses, so ultimately the people of each state will decide this issue. We are led to believe that somehow that is a bad thing.
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So basically you're saying State law over personal rights.
Jun 26, 2022, 7:09 PM
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Don't try ME.
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Original, edgy content.***
Jun 26, 2022, 1:29 PM
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Re: Original, edgy content.***
Jun 26, 2022, 1:33 PM
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Cut her some slack. She's in highschool
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I thought TikTok would have exposed them to
Jun 26, 2022, 1:36 PM
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Some new content, rather than recycling bumper sticker slogans from pro-choice activists who were marching pre-Roe.
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I'm pro 10th Amendment and a firm believer in that the best
Jun 26, 2022, 1:39 PM
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and most responsive Governance is that which happens at the local/State level. The US Constitution was written with that intention but over the years (particularly the past 50 years) that concept has been steamrolled by zealots wanting to Nationalize practically every issue in our society and lives.
Roe v. Wade was among the earliest of the culture war power grabs by the Federal Government (i.e. Federal Judiciary) to Nationally regulate something that was not within it's Constitutional authority.
Why are so many (particularly among the left) so afraid of local/State Governance? Why is the Governor of California so concerned with the actions of popularly elected legislators in other States like Texas, NC, and SC in deciding their own rules/laws on social/moral issues? Especially when those rules and laws more accurately reflect the values of the people living in a particular State.
Why do the Governor's of California, Washington, and Oregon feel it necessary to impose their views of abortion on other States for which they are not elected nor responsible too? Why can't they just be satisfied to say that in their States they will ensure legal access to abortion? Instead their incessant "this will not stand" and associated rhetoric over the abortion issue being rightfully returned to the States is just indicative of the Marxist totalitarian character that infects many on the left today.
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state's rights are great
Jun 26, 2022, 2:42 PM
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we need a little friendly competition between the states. Let the free market decide where you hitch your wagon.
This sounds great on paper for things like weather and taxes, but when it comes to contentious issues having to do with question of freedom and rights, we already know how this ends. We gamed this out already, and it ended in one of the bloodiest conflicts in history and a miserable Reconstruction, from which some parts of the south have never recovered.
What do you want us to go through that again?
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Re: state's rights are great
Jun 26, 2022, 4:48 PM
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we need a little friendly competition between the states. Let the free market decide where you hitch your wagon.
This sounds great on paper for things like weather and taxes, but when it comes to contentious issues having to do with question of freedom and rights, we already know how this ends. We gamed this out already, and it ended in one of the bloodiest conflicts in history and a miserable Reconstruction, from which some parts of the south have never recovered.
What do you want us to go through that again?
Yeah... because the continued drive to force California and NY woke values through unconstitutional Federal mandates on the people in States like NC, SC, GA, TN and "flyover" country is totally not going to result in any kind of conflict... Reaffirming the 10th Amendment that will constrain the Federal Government's ravenous desire for more power is best way to avoid a Civil War Part II.
It's really simple... Any power not granted to the Federal Government is reserved for the States. If the Federal Government wants a power they don't currently have, they must go through the Amendment process to get this power - period. Assuming ever more power through Presidential, Congressional or Federal Judicial overreach is a form of tyrannical lawlessness that ultimately strips citizens of their voice and individual liberty.
If reaffirming the 10th Amendment results in people moving to States that better align with their personal values/lifestyle - then so be it as the vast majority will be happier in the end.
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Re: state's rights are great
Jun 26, 2022, 7:10 PM
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I don’t know, i think it is a bit optimistic to believe we can co-exist as one nation when an act in one state is perfectly legal and in another state it is a felony good for 30 years for the accused and her accomplices. Then if you believe in the domino theory, other unenumerated rights such as those mentioned by Justice Thomas will also be on the chopping block. It’s at that point we have two separate visions for the future that are fundamentally distinct and unnatural.
Seems like there would be way too much friction for it to end nicely. But the more I hear from some folks on here, that has been the dream all along. It’s a #### shame.
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That's the crux of the issue though, isn't it?
Jun 27, 2022, 9:43 AM
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In many people's opinion: "Someone else" = fetus
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I’m pro life.
Jun 26, 2022, 3:10 PM
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I’m against abortion and against the death penalty. I’m also against war unless we are defending ourselves against direct attack.
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Re: Most people on this board are Pro Birth Not Pro Life
Jun 26, 2022, 5:41 PM
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This entire thing is about personal responsibility. It doesn't surprise me that the people who think they should be able to kill their kids after making them think society is hypocritical for not assuming full responsibility for them. If you made the kid, you pay for the kid. You don't get to kill then because we won't pay for them. That's not the choice. Forcing you to be responsible isn't us not caring. It's you wanting to be selfish and blaming other people for what you created.
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Re: Most people on this board are Pro Birth Not Pro Life
Jun 26, 2022, 6:28 PM
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You just went above 100 million people's head.
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Re: Most people on this board are Pro Birth Not Pro Life
Jun 26, 2022, 8:51 PM
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You Sir, have nailed it perfectly. The pro-choice position alway sees to come down to - unless other people are willing to assume responsibilities for children, we must all accept killing them. Funny, they don't think of the homeless that way.
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Re: Most people on this board are Pro Birth Not Pro Life
Jun 27, 2022, 6:10 AM
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The personal responsibility pertains to the women AND men since women don’t get pregnant alone. The bigger issue is not all men want to take responsibility and birth control isn’t 100 percent effective. I’ve never had an unwanted pregnancy but I would want an option if I did. I don’t believe a fetus is a baby and have no problem with an abortion up to a very conservative timeline. It should not be used as birth control and done on a regular basis.
I’ve lived in South Carolina my entire life and don’t plan to move. I like it here. In theory, I have no problem with states deciding their own laws on this BUT I live in a state that is more conservative than I am and I don’t want to move. I agree with both parties on certain things and really don’t want to be associated with either.
I’ve also never seen such divisiveness as I do right now and it started getting really bad after Trump was elected. Before that I heard and saw comments about Obama and his policies but nothing like now. I don’t have an account on any social media but I’ve seen my husband’s and the obsessions are real.
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Re: Most people on this board are Pro Birth Not Pro Life
Jun 27, 2022, 8:39 AM
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So, you do believe a man should have a say in abortion, since women don't get pregnant alone
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Re: Most people on this board are Pro Birth Not Pro Life
Jun 27, 2022, 11:30 AM
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Yes as soon as they have the ability to squeeze a small sized watermelon out of their pee hole. Absolutely then. I believe women should have the last word since they have to do all the work. Not everyone has the support system that I have. My husband was and is fantastic but in some communities it’s not that way. It’s no excuse but that’s the way it is. If you’re one of those that complains about people living off the government, just wait. It’s gonna get worse.
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Re: Most people on this board are Pro Birth Not Pro Life
Jun 27, 2022, 11:41 AM
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So, let's say a man wants to kill the offspring and the woman doesn't. Should the man be able to walk away from any financial responsibility for the child that he didn't want?
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Re: Most people on this board are Pro Birth Not Pro Life
Jun 27, 2022, 7:11 PM
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I don’t have a problem with that but most women would legally go after child support. I wouldn’t want the baby daddy to have visitation if he didn’t want the kid to begin with but he may if forced to pay support. It wouldn’t be good for the kid.
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Re: Most people on this board are Pro Birth Not Pro Life
Jun 27, 2022, 7:58 PM
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That's what I'm saying. If choice is the most important thing, shouldn't a man be able to choose to have no responsibility for the child, if he didn't want the child. As in, a woman would have no claim to child support in that case.
As far as, not being good for the kid...well, I don't think abortion would be too good for the kid, either.
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Re: Most people on this board are Pro Birth Not Pro Life
Jun 27, 2022, 7:58 PM
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Yes as soon as they have the ability to squeeze a small sized watermelon out of their pee hole. Absolutely then. I believe women should have the last word since they have to do all the work. Not everyone has the support system that I have. My husband was and is fantastic but in some communities it’s not that way. It’s no excuse but that’s the way it is. If you’re one of those that complains about people living off the government, just wait. It’s gonna get worse.
To your point. If a woman gets to choose whether or not to keep the kid (as final say as a right), then shouldn’t the male have the same rights to choose if he wants to own it or not and not have to pay child support?
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Re: Most people on this board are Pro Birth Not Pro Life
Jun 27, 2022, 9:26 AM
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I won't disagree with you abour the divisiveness in the country. Everyone seems firmly entrenched on a team.
Here's where we probably differ on abortion. I don't see the bigger issue as men not taking responsibility. It is a problem but the bigger issue is abortion kills innocent life. The answer to the irresponsibility of men or women to take precautions to prevent pregnancy or of failed contraception or the failure to adequately provide for a child isn't found in killing a baby. You say abortion shouldn't be used as birth control but isn't that exactly what it is? We just dress it up as "reproductive rights" or even worse, "healthcare."
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Re: Most people on this board are Pro Birth Not Pro Life
Jun 27, 2022, 11:39 AM
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The issue is we don’t agree about when that fetus is a life and that will always be where we differ. As I said earlier, the amount of government supported children will be going up in the future and no one who is pro-life should be complaining about that aspect of it. Is it okay? Absolutely not. Will it happen? It’s likely.
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Re: Most people on this board are Pro Birth Not Pro Life
Jun 27, 2022, 11:59 AM
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And yes, we can absolutely complain about the amount of people living off the government going up in the future. You're STILL failing to understand it's about personal responsibility. Trading killing babies for living off the government is a trade I'd make, but thats still not assuming responsibility. If you can't afford a child don't have one. That doesnt mean you can kill it if you do though. It's like there's just a built in assumption that people are gonna screw, and they'll never be asked to change how or how much they do it, so our choice is murder or assuming financial responsibility.
NO.
People say "if you don't want an abortion don't have one."
Well, "if you don't want a kid, don't make one"
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Re: Most people on this board are Pro Birth Not Pro Life
Jun 27, 2022, 7:54 PM
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And yes, we can absolutely complain about the amount of people living off the government going up in the future. You're STILL failing to understand it's about personal responsibility. Trading killing babies for living off the government is a trade I'd make, but thats still not assuming responsibility. If you can't afford a child don't have one. That doesnt mean you can kill it if you do though. It's like there's just a built in assumption that people are gonna screw, and they'll never be asked to change how or how much they do it, so our choice is murder or assuming financial responsibility.
NO.
People say "if you don't want an abortion don't have one."
Well, "if you don't want a kid, don't make one"
I agree! If you are that hell bent on not having children. Why not just pay a 1 time fee to have your reproductive organs removed. No abortion necessary! This way no one will have to worry about some pointless law getting over turned. Win/win for everyone!
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Re: Most people on this board are Pro Birth Not Pro Life
Jun 27, 2022, 11:55 AM
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Those two issues aren't mutually exclusive. Most pro life people agree completely. We aren't just wanting single women to carry a child, we want families. But we don't think if you don't want a family or want to take sex seriously you get to opt out either. Men should be held accountable at the same time. It isn't abortion OR men are held accountable. It's abortion restricted AND men held accountable.
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Buddy you are living in a fantasy world
Jun 27, 2022, 7:30 PM
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About taking responsibility and if you can’t afford it don’t do it etc. We can all agree that is the way it SHOULD be. We’ll it’s not. I worked in collections for 20 years and many MANY times thought that about the houses, cars, credit cards etc that I called people to collect on. Many couldn’t afford stuff but did it anyway hoping they could get by or they would win the lottery. Everyone taking responsibility for their decisions is not reality. If they did we wouldn’t have all these people on welfare, Medicaid, filing bankruptcy. I realize abortion is a more serious issue but my point is the world isn’t perfect and neither are people. You and I may be responsible people but everyone is not like us. It’s not an excuse but it’s just the way it is. Would I like for everyone to be responsible like me? Well yes I would. I don’t care to have my hard earned tax dollars keeping up other people and all their kids. You don’t think the majority of Americans would rather see families than single parents???? You don’t corner the market on that just because you and I don’t agree on a fetus being a baby. I assure you I am a moral person no matter what you or anyone else thinks of me.
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Re: Buddy you are living in a fantasy world
Jun 27, 2022, 8:00 PM
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No. You hold people accountable. We don't have to provide everything for people. I don't think its up to us to foot the bill for irresponsible people. It's not a choice of abortions them or pay for them it's abort them or their parents either choose to be responsible or they don't. I completely realize that's not the world we live in. We got here by letting people not work and bailing them out of bad decisions. We get back by doing the opposite.
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Re: Buddy you are living in a fantasy world
Jun 27, 2022, 8:22 PM
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No. You hold people accountable. We don't have to provide everything for people. I don't think its up to us to foot the bill for irresponsible people. It's not a choice of abortions them or pay for them it's abort them or their parents either choose to be responsible or they don't. I completely realize that's not the world we live in. We got here by letting people not work and bailing them out of bad decisions. We get back by doing the opposite.
I think the term you are looking for is Enabling! It’s what happens when you live a sheltered spoiled life who hasn’t seen the necessity of good (personal) decision making . It’s all merry and roses until you screw up.
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Re: Buddy you are living in a fantasy world
Jun 27, 2022, 9:44 PM
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I am all for accountability and good decisions. It’s just not realistic and I’ll tell you why. I was raised in a good home (divorced parents but still a lot of support and good role models) with both parents being responsible in all ways. You may have had that kind of upbringing also. There are many that don’t have good parents or even one good parent through no fault of their own. It’s sad and it’s easy to see why so many people make bad decisions. They’ve never been taught responsibility because they never saw it growing up. In a perfect world everyone would be responsible. I just try to do the right things and I’m thankful for what I learned growing up.
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Re: Buddy you are living in a fantasy world
Jun 28, 2022, 4:58 AM
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Negative feedback is a mechanism for learning. Right now we have no negative feedback. It's really as simple as that. Small incremental changes to people's lives will force them to make better decisions.
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