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Mike Young / VT
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Mike Young / VT


Mar 12, 2022, 10:26 PM

VT can win an ACC title but we get to keep Brownell forever. Young’s success undermines every pro-Brownell argument. The state of our basketball program is pathetic and it should not be tolerated anymore.

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Jstone D329 - “ It’s ok to want a coaching change”
Brownell @Clemson: 8 seasons ranked 50th or worse by Sports Reference’s SRS
1-29: Brad Brownell road record against ranked ACC opponents
142, 161, 294, 307, 293, 166, 225, 180, 260, 164, 141, 72, 68 - assist rankings amongst all D1 programs during Brownell's tenure


Re: Mike Young / VT


Mar 12, 2022, 10:33 PM

Yep, I'm bummed another newer member of the ACC gets an ACCT title before us..

Ga Tech
Florida State
Miami
Notre Dame
Now probably Va Tech.

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Re: Mike Young / VT


Mar 12, 2022, 10:36 PM

Remember when Judge Keller scoffed at the idea Mike Young could possible be considered a better coach than Brownell? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

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Jstone D329 - “ It’s ok to want a coaching change”
Brownell @Clemson: 8 seasons ranked 50th or worse by Sports Reference’s SRS
1-29: Brad Brownell road record against ranked ACC opponents
142, 161, 294, 307, 293, 166, 225, 180, 260, 164, 141, 72, 68 - assist rankings amongst all D1 programs during Brownell's tenure


I love their Milano cookies.


Mar 13, 2022, 12:06 AM

The goldfish ain’t bad either.

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Wait, what?


Mar 12, 2022, 10:35 PM

VaT - 1
Miami - 1
GaT - 4
FSU - 2

ACC Tournament Championships since joining the league. It can be done!

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Forgot ND.**


Mar 12, 2022, 10:36 PM

Nm

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Re: Mike Young / VT


Mar 12, 2022, 10:37 PM

So if VT misses the last second shot and as a result loses their perennial ACC basketball dominance, do you feel the same way?

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Re: Mike Young / VT


Mar 12, 2022, 10:39 PM

Lol - looking for historical fiction to make you feel better about reality? If they miss do you really think we win 3 straight and blow out Duke. Remember, in 12 tries Brownell has NEVER won 2 games in the tournament. In 3 tries Mike Young has one the whole thing. Anyone arguing for Brownell at this point is full blown flat earth society.

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Jstone D329 - “ It’s ok to want a coaching change”
Brownell @Clemson: 8 seasons ranked 50th or worse by Sports Reference’s SRS
1-29: Brad Brownell road record against ranked ACC opponents
142, 161, 294, 307, 293, 166, 225, 180, 260, 164, 141, 72, 68 - assist rankings amongst all D1 programs during Brownell's tenure


Re: Mike Young / VT


Mar 12, 2022, 10:48 PM

The cbb apologists will find some limp angle to argue with.

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Class of ‘71. Went through “rat season” and glad I did.


Re: Mike Young / VT


Mar 12, 2022, 10:37 PM

But but but we beat them last week and they almost blew a lead to us.

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Clemson doesn't care about basketball....as evidenced by Brown-L getting 14 years.


Re: Mike Young / VT


Mar 13, 2022, 11:30 PM

They did blow a lead and since we could not hit crucial free throws, we still lost when Brownell called a TO and allowed VT to set a miracle play up. If you listened to Coach J. Davis statement during the TO, we needed the defenders to make the pathway up court difficult. We didn't; in fact, Dawes was backing up as Maddox was dribbling up court to get his buzzer beater off.

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Uh uh well they had to beat us at the buzzer so technically we are co-champs


Mar 12, 2022, 10:41 PM

Signed brown L sycophants

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Re: Mike Young / VT


Mar 12, 2022, 10:44 PM

One coaches success undermines Brownell staying at Clemson?

I think it's time for a change as well but that absolutist attitude is not productive when looking forward.

Granted, you weren't trying to be productive or you'd suggest his replacement.

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BRING IT!


Re: Mike Young / VT


Mar 12, 2022, 10:51 PM

Reading comprehension is difficult for some. I said it undermines the arguments for Brownell. Those argument are our lack of historical success and lack of investment. These arguments have been repeated as naseum on these digital pages. Mike Young winning an ACC title at a lesser program proves them a fallacy. The coach matters above all other factors and our guy is not the guy.

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Jstone D329 - “ It’s ok to want a coaching change”
Brownell @Clemson: 8 seasons ranked 50th or worse by Sports Reference’s SRS
1-29: Brad Brownell road record against ranked ACC opponents
142, 161, 294, 307, 293, 166, 225, 180, 260, 164, 141, 72, 68 - assist rankings amongst all D1 programs during Brownell's tenure


Re: Mike Young / VT


Mar 12, 2022, 11:02 PM

Well then...let me ask again since you are a self proclaimed AD. Who do we hire?

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BRING IT!


Re: Mike Young / VT


Mar 12, 2022, 11:05 PM

Is this a Judge Keller burner account? You post fallacy stacked upon rhetorical questions much as he does. I never proclaimed myself an AD. And asking who I’d hire is a deflection to avoid my actual assertions. Try again.

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Jstone D329 - “ It’s ok to want a coaching change”
Brownell @Clemson: 8 seasons ranked 50th or worse by Sports Reference’s SRS
1-29: Brad Brownell road record against ranked ACC opponents
142, 161, 294, 307, 293, 166, 225, 180, 260, 164, 141, 72, 68 - assist rankings amongst all D1 programs during Brownell's tenure


Re: Mike Young / VT


Mar 12, 2022, 11:05 PM [ in reply to Re: Mike Young / VT ]

Matt McMahon....

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Re: Mike Young / VT


Mar 14, 2022, 6:49 AM [ in reply to Re: Mike Young / VT ]

Dude - your making his point for him again. He didn’t proclaim to be an AD! Read his freakin post. He made a great point. Accept it.

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Re: Mike Young / VT


Mar 14, 2022, 7:06 AM [ in reply to Re: Mike Young / VT ]

viztiz said:

Reading comprehension is difficult for some. I said it undermines the arguments for Brownell. Those argument are our lack of historical success and lack of investment. These arguments have been repeated as naseum on these digital pages. Mike Young winning an ACC title at a lesser program proves them a fallacy. The coach matters above all other factors and our guy is not the guy.



Not sure why you think they are a lesser program as they have many more NCAA tourney experiences and a stand alone basketball facility. Basically there are very few programs with a lesser history than us and VT is not one of them

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Re: Mike Young / VT


Mar 14, 2022, 7:15 AM

I might not like a coach but you spending a whole lot of energy trashing Clemson as a whole. Clemson has finished the season ranked twice as much as VT and has been ranked nearly twice as many total weeks. VT has a slightly better win loss record but if you examine VT’s strength of schedule prior to entering the ACC you’ll see that Clemson averaged being more than twice as difficult. Clemson has also won more NCAA tourney games. But all of these facts are very inconvenient for your constant bashing of Clemson’s basketball history. So yes, upon entering the ACC, Virginia Tech had a lesser history than Clemson yet has neutralized that in a very short period of time with no more significant investment.

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Jstone D329 - “ It’s ok to want a coaching change”
Brownell @Clemson: 8 seasons ranked 50th or worse by Sports Reference’s SRS
1-29: Brad Brownell road record against ranked ACC opponents
142, 161, 294, 307, 293, 166, 225, 180, 260, 164, 141, 72, 68 - assist rankings amongst all D1 programs during Brownell's tenure


Re: Mike Young / VT


Mar 12, 2022, 10:45 PM

Amen

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Class of ‘71. Went through “rat season” and glad I did.


Roster being a big one. I recall not too long ago


Mar 13, 2022, 12:58 AM

He had to patch-work a full roster over a Summer. A good coach can evaluate and develop talent.

Similar to a good AD — evaluate and hire a good candidate, hold them accountable for expectations to the vision. The hire is only scary if the guy hiring is incompetent too.

My fear is that the Athletic Department doesn’t have a vision for the BB program. Dabo brings that for Football, but Brad ain’t that for Basketball. And I guess the guy driving the vision now says graduation is the only bar. We need a vision for successful results on the court and the expectation that graduation is why they are here (fundamental).

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Re: Mike Young / VT


Mar 14, 2022, 12:39 AM

Not to mention VA tech has made the tourney what five years in a row. All of that craps about rural this and pay the coach more is just dumb. At this point im wondering what the 63.5 million investment into little john was for.

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JK, your response to this?


Mar 15, 2022, 10:14 AM

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