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Mental Health Evaluations

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May 25, 2022, 11:50 AM
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What mental health issues do you think these shooters have? I've worked in the mental health field before. There is a deeper issue here than mental health. When you say mental health, you're talking about chemical changes in the brain.

Chemical changes in the brain aren't needed or required to be a school shooter. Please stop using mental health as a cop out. This is the wrong terminology to use and creates negative stigmatism for people suffering from actual mental health issues. They don't deserve to be put in the same bucket as a school shooter.

There is a mixture of issues creating these shooters. Mental health could happen to be one of the factors but its not the only one. And the factors other than mental health need to be addressed just as equally, if not more.

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May 25, 2022, 11:54 AM
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Total depravity.

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May 25, 2022, 11:56 AM
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How about as parents if you notice your 15-18 year old son is:

- posting racist #### on 4 chan
- has a notebook full of scribbled drawings of corpses and guns
- posts pictures of themselves on Instagram holding guns
- is a reclusive weird little trench coat wearing loser

How about

1. Don’t let them buy or acquire a ####### gun
2. If you have a gun, put it in a safe and don’t tell your weirdo little shitling the code
3. Let the school know, for the love of god let someone know, that your kid has written some weird or wackadoodle ####
4. Get your kid some help

This at least takes care of the adolescent school shooters. May not help with the older losers, but the same principle of families actually paying attention to their weirdo relatives. Prosecuting the parents of that kid that shot up his school in the Midwest recently was 1000% appropriate & we should see more of that.

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very interesting, and good advice


May 25, 2022, 12:08 PM
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we had a situation at my daughter's high school this year. One weekend, a little dumbazz posted a pic on snapshot of his adversary carrying a rifle on a recent hunting trip, and captioned the photo, "looking forward to school on Monday". This kid's adversary was rumored to have potential violence problems by his peers, so you can imagine the shitstorm that followed. Police investigations, frantic parents, news media.

Yet the school was confident enough that it was a non-issue to open its doors on Monday. I think only ten kids out of a 1,000 were in attendance. Parents were all freaked out. And nothing has happened since.

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what if it was one kid out of a million


May 25, 2022, 12:25 PM
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There are about 30 million school aged boys in the usa. 1 out of a million means 30 are able to commit such crimes.

There are 130,000 schools in the usa. That is a lot of opportunity.

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I bet if mama and daddy started getting popped with

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May 25, 2022, 12:26 PM
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accessory to murder for not locking up their guns properly there would be a lot less incidences.

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May 25, 2022, 11:57 AM
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here's a good analysis. I don't know if we will ever be able to see what we need to see in order to predict this kind of behavior, and then take the necessary measures to stop this kind of tragedy.

Unless you want to lock up 20% of high-risk children, just for being "off".

https://www.counseling.org/docs/default-source/vistas/school-shootings-and-student-mental-health.p

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All people with mental health issues aren't school shooters,

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May 25, 2022, 12:28 PM
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and don't deserve to be put into the same category. Nobody is suggesting that all people who struggle with depression or anxiety should be feared or surveilled as a potential shooter. However, all school shooters are mentally ill. No mentally healthy, happy, well adjusted person goes on a killing spree. Period. All "normal" people lose their temper and get angry from time to time, and most of us say and do things we regret, but we don't kill people. I don't have a copy of the DSM5 handy, but I'm certain that all mass shooters suffer from one or more identifiable mental illnesses. There are obvious red flags that we, as a society, tend to normalize, downplay, and ignore, for various reasons. We need to stop that, and take it seriously. The mental health aspect is common to every single one of these mass killings.

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I suspect low intelligence coupled with an unstable personal

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May 25, 2022, 12:45 PM
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life are the driving factors for most shooters in general, not just school shooters. Studies have shown people with lower IQ's are more prone to violence, add in an unstable home life where parents are either negligent or completely absent and it's easy to see how some of these kids can go off the rails. Especially when you consider they are attempting to compete with others much smarter than they are in a high tech society. That has to breed frustration and resentment.

But I have no idea how the #### you can shoot elementary school kids. As bad as it sounds, I can kind of get going after their peers or whatever, but shooting babies like that takes a straight up animal. But I do think we've got a dangerous underclass of these type of savage(for lack of a better word) people that our society seems to be breeding at a fairly rapid pace.

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Do Mental Health and Mental Illness mean the same thing?....

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May 25, 2022, 12:54 PM
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I would say no.

Mental Health is generally defined as "our emotional, psychological, and social well-being."

I consider Mental Illness to be a diagnosable illness (depression, anxiety, etc...).

To me, when one says we need an overhaul of our Mental Health system, it isn't strictly limited to treating people with diagnosed Mental Illness (although that's a big part of it), but also includes support for those struggling with "emotional, psychological, and social well-being".

I think we should all wait for all of the facts to come out before forming concrete opinions, but initial reports are that this kid had a speech impediment and was bullied in middle school because of it. It sounds like his mom was also a drug addict, so his home life was probably pretty bad (speculation). There are reports from a former friend that he once cut his face up...which is a big tell to mental issues (obviously). How did this kid "fall through the cracks" or did he? I would like to know more about that in detail.

If the schools had more/better resources to help kids being bullied or isolated. Can the schools really do anything if the parents aren't involved...I don't know. What I do know is that there is a lot more we, as a society, can be doing and I have to believe there are enough smart and trained people to figure something out. We need leadership at the local, state, and federal level to bring about big/sweeping reform and completely rethink and refund how we approach these issues. The trouble is that the there is a big sucking sound coming from the leadership vacuum at all 3 levels of government as far as I can see it.

We need statesmen from across the political spectrum to come together and propose something...including gun control, mental health system overhaul, drug addiction, and other societal issues that all come together to lead to things like this.

To get to that point, we're going to all have to stop thinking people that have different political positions from ourselves are evil. I think it really comes down to that. We need some honest discourse to be able to make a dent in this issue(s).

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