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Watch! We will intimately end up in the B1G with
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May 20, 2023, 10:14 PM
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a group of the top echelon ACC teams. Despite geography and old rivalries…makes no business sense (or cultural sense) for Clemson to go to the SEC.
We will end up moving as a block (Clemson, Miami, Ga Tech, UVA, UNC, FSU) to form the Southeastern cluster in this new national league that will counter the other one (SEC).
NC State, Va Tech, and some others will end up in the SEC (or whatever they call it) once it goes Nat’l as well and picks up some of the old PAC 12 programs too.
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Meant to say “Ultimately”…sorry
May 20, 2023, 10:15 PM
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Intimately end up with a big is an entirely different
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May 20, 2023, 10:58 PM
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Orange Blooded [4435]
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I definitely hope you’re wrong but
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May 20, 2023, 10:16 PM
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I could see that happening. Definitely could see it happening.
I’m hoping we’re SEC bound though!
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I think these two leagues (formerly SEC and B1G) will
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May 20, 2023, 10:19 PM
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Form the new “Super league” that will not have to adhere to current NCAA BS.
They will most likely grow to be 24, 26, 28 teams each (or even more) as this whole new structure shakes out, and resemble what we’ve grown accustomed to with the Pros. I’m not saying I like it but, this is just the direction it will go…
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Like it or not, Clemson wants to rub elbows with the AAU schools and is already probably…
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May 20, 2023, 10:24 PM
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Already on the “glide path” to receiving this credential along with ND.
Clemson’s athletic philosophy for Football is certainly SEC caliber but, it’s Olympic Sports offerings philosophy is more aligned with the B1G programs
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Re: Like it or not, Clemson wants to rub elbows with the AAU schools and is already probably…
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May 20, 2023, 10:46 PM
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Conference realignment has absolutely zero to do with academics and 100% to do with football/money
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I believe your correct about one thing…
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May 20, 2023, 11:06 PM
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Football $ for sure, but, don’t underestimate the academics variable. Besides, this has to do with other items as well…B1G desperately wants/needs a recruiting presence in the south at a much higher level than currently exists. They will get that with Va, NC, SC, Ga, and Fla with aforementioned programs.
Also, Clemson would have a better shot at more appearances in the “Big Show” upcoming playoff structure in the B1G vs SEC.
And then all the other stuff we mentioned earlier regarding Olympic Sports philosophy’s vs the unapologetic semi pro sports attitude that the SEC doesn’t even try to hide.
With the exception of just a few, the SEC schools really work to do the minimum Mens offerings as well as women’s. I believe it’s 6 Mens, 8 Women’s…
Look at some of these Schools, their sizes and wealth and tell me why they don’t spend $$$ on Olympic sports? Because it’s the smart business thing to do! That’s why!
All Olympic sports are losers…period. The only reason why the ACC and the B1G have them is for cultural reasons…that even strengthens my case.
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Admittedly, I’m a bit biased because of my live for
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May 20, 2023, 10:28 PM
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Collegiate Wrestling and my eternal hope that Clemson will someday reinstate the once vaunted Mens Wrestling program. The B1G views Mens Wrestling as a “Foundational Sport” so it would make that dream happen.
But, taking off the “Rose colored” glasses, I still think from a recruiting, academic, future Football success, Olympic Sports, perspective…this is what Clemson wants and will get because they have positioned themselves to do so
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Re: Watch! We will intimately end up in the B1G with
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May 20, 2023, 10:41 PM
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I may be alone on this but I hope Wake goes with us.
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Re: Watch! We will intimately end up in the B1G with
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May 20, 2023, 10:45 PM
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I’m still waiting on anyone to make realistic argument for why Clemson will end up in B1G over SEC and this isn’t it.
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Read my earlier post
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May 20, 2023, 11:13 PM
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B1G is coming South…and going to invite a Block of programs (4, 6…maybe even more but proball LT in that range, at first anyway). Clemson will be in that block. Again, no duplicity…each Conf wants only one of the 2 schools so they can both capture “eye”s on large streamed games. Clemson is only similar to the SEC regarding Football.
It may have used to be culturally like an SEC school (late 60s, 70s, and 80s) but that old classic culture is long gone. Clemson has become a national brand and has always had a desire to carry academic credentials… (just look at all the ranking priority Clemson has placed high on their list over the past 25-30 years.
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Re: Read my earlier post
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May 20, 2023, 11:24 PM
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How will we get out of the GOR without paying a tremendous financial penalty ?
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Re: Read my earlier post
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May 21, 2023, 12:10 AM
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With money, lawyers & some partners in crime…
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Re: Read my earlier post
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May 21, 2023, 1:05 AM
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How will we get out of the GOR without paying a tremendous financial penalty?
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Re: Read my earlier post
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May 21, 2023, 8:20 AM
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If they get 7 or 8 teams together, forget which, they technically disband the ACC. That’s why it works best if a big group leaves vs Clemson n FSU
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A block of programs get invited to either The B1G or SEC? You’re…
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Gonna see the ACC fold like a Chinese suitcase in a rainstorm. 8 or more vote to leave? Who’s gonna stop them and make them pay $120 million! To what anyway if it’s not even viable.
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You don’t truly understand Clemson culture…
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if those are your thoughts on it, and that’s not a knock. And it may not be something that can be explained in a way that you could understand, again, not a knock. It’s something you have to live. And I don’t mean “experience”, I mean “live”.
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Re: You don’t truly understand Clemson culture…
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I have lived Clemson Culture for 60+ years. My lifetime observation in the classroom and on the football field is that we have gotten better. I have ZERO envy of South Carolina and Arkansas and note that 30 years in the SEC has done NOTHING/NADA/ZIP for those schools. I have no desire to join up with Ole Miss,MissState,LSU,ARK,SC,Bama,TENN,or KY. I don't want to be like them nor share the national perception other have of them.
I have no real desire to change leagues at all, other than money. The SEC Commissioner runs that league like a CEO. Take away a home game if fans 'rush' the field? Travel to Big10 games would be awful, but at least it would be different. A problem with the SEC is they all want to be the same. NOTE that at the end of the year, they all hug and claim the Ga,Bama,LSU,Florida Trophy as if the own it. What sort of craziness is that?
Is it Clemson Culture to hug up on FSU? To root for UNC or Duke in the Final Four? Or to be disciplined, smart, hard working, military friendly, and family oriented? Have you ever been to a Georgia game? Doesn't LSU try hard to have the drunkest crowd very Saturday night?
I think too many Clemson people fell for all that "SEC Speed" talk out of the 90s and the cycling out talk of the gamecocks in the Muschamp years.
I say NO THANKS......and hope to make Clemson's fortune by being Clemson, not some SEC wannabe.
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Do you feel Clemson is culturally more like Michigan, Penn State…
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May 21, 2023, 4:56 PM
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and Ohio State than UGA, Alabama, and LSU?
I personally would rather the ACC stay viable as well, but to say we have more in common culture wise with B1G schools than SEC schools is simply false. Here is the definition…
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: the customary beliefs, social forms, and material traits of a racial, religious, or social group
also : the characteristic features of everyday existence (such as diversions or a way of life) shared by people in a place or time
popular culture
Southern culture
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: the set of shared attitudes, values, goals, and practices that characterizes an institution or organization
a corporate culture focused on the bottom line
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: the set of values, conventions, or social practices associated with a particular field, activity, or societal characteristic
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/culture Definition of CULTURE The meaning of CULTURE is the customary beliefs, social forms, and material traits of a racial, religious, or social group; also : the characteristic features of everyday existence (such as diversions or a way of life) shared by people in a place or time. How to use culture in a sentence.
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Agree 100%
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May 21, 2023, 9:11 PM
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This is why we will end up in the B1G or some former or remnant of it after the conference continues to constitute into this new national platform.
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Re: Read my earlier post
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A home and home with USC UCLA Nebraska. Baloney.
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Learn from NASCAR.***
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I could see this. The new Escalate program is shooting
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May 21, 2023, 7:18 AM
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for AAU status.
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Escalate Program? Never heard of it…no idea what it is…
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May 21, 2023, 7:25 AM
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I would think this AAU credentialing process would involve the entire program, not just a certain initiative.
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Re: Meant to say Clemson Elevate initiative. One of the goals
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May 21, 2023, 4:27 PM
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The whole purpose of ELEVATE is to get Clemson AAU accredited and appealing to the B10. I believe Clements, BOT, Neff are open to going to B10 or SEC, whichever will be best for Clemson.
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Re: Watch! We will intimately end up in the B1G with
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If the B1G were to play their cards right, they could take control of the southeast/atlantic region. The tough one would be taking the state of GA, but the first step would be to get GT on board and get them to start playing several big games per year in Mercedes-Benz Stadium, with no ticket allotment restrictions. GT has a long history of elite sports, but it's been awhile since they were relavent. The B1G could help them return to glory and sway fan support in Atlanta in their direction, but it won't be easy.
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Re: Watch! We will intimately end up in the B1G with
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No cultural sense? You lost me a bit there, but I guess you are referring to the "win-at-all-costs" and relative poor academic reputation of the SEC. (?)
The BIG isn't culturally a fit at all, outside of academics. But, you might be right. The BIG no doubt would love to expand their conference footprint into the Southeast and Clemson is a perfect match. Personally, I'm begining to think this is where Clemson will ultimately end up too (because the female sports we've added, and academic hoops we've jumped through to align with BIG institutions). I prefer the SEC because it would be an easier visit for away games, otherwise it doesn't matter. I'm not a fan of the SEC bottom-feeding idiots chanting "SEC", "SEC"; but also not a big fan of loud/obnoxious Yankees. Show me the money. It's probably not a done deal yet, and Clemson may be hedging their bets, but there's smoke.
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Re: Watch! We will intimately end up in the B1G with
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May 21, 2023, 11:30 AM
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AAU ???
Are there any true "amateurs" anymore?
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Re: Watch! We will intimately end up in the B1G with
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Re: Watch! We will intimately end up in the B1G with
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I hope we would mainly play all those ACC schools in the B1G because the idea of playing Maryland, Rutgers, Northwestern, Indiana, Purdue, Minnesota in DV makes me yawn.
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Re: Watch! We will intimately end up in the B1G with
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Re: Watch! We will intimately end up in the B1G with
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I hope you are correct. I am not in love with the B10 but compared to the SEC chanting, win at all cost mouth breathers, the B10 are a few notches above
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Move to the B1G 10 probably makes most sense, unfortunately.
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May 21, 2023, 4:52 PM
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With all their PAC-12 pickups, it truly looks like the B1G 10 wants to be a nationwide conference. And the SEC will go after UNC and UVA before other ACC Schools. The B1G 10 can have games going from 11 AM to 2 AM the next day with that much inventory. If it’s all about dem television $$$, the B1G 10 can offer more games and more time slots than any other conference.
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Re: Move to the B1G 10 probably makes most sense, unfortunately.
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I like your thinking JKB.
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Re: Watch! We will intimately end up in the B1G with
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Is that like saying, "their scrood"?
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