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I heard more than one announcer say that USC looked
Nov 28, 2012, 4:12 PM
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bigger and more physically impressive than just about any team in the nation other than maybe Bama. That's saying something. Maybe compared to most of college football, we have an adequate S&C program, but not compared to USC. The asnwer to this problem? I don't know, but I did think it was intersting when I heard those comments earlier this year.
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Maybe I watched a different game ...
Nov 28, 2012, 4:24 PM
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But for the 1st quarter the Tigers physically took it to the Coots.
During the next three qusrters:
* Morris abandoned the run allowing SC's DL to start teeing off. Run blocking is much more aggressive - when we did it, we were fine.
* SC's o-line starting holding evidenced by several penalties and a few no calls. On third and long, Clemson's DB's were just simply awful - little instictive play towards the ball or open WR's. When we did happen to get there, the DB's dropped INT's and one bad pass intefernce call.
In summary our DB's choked, Morris got impatient and then the whole team butts's puckered up.
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S&C didn't make Clowney
Nov 28, 2012, 4:28 PM
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he disrupted the whole offense. As for them being bigger and badder, why didn't they run it down our throats. Our DL held it's own. Our OL got owned by the 2014 number one overall pick
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Right, they didn't even try to establish the running game***
Nov 28, 2012, 4:30 PM
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They didn't have to...They threw for 300+ yards...***
Nov 28, 2012, 5:08 PM
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Yeah with 3-5 yard passes, just shows how bad our defense...
Nov 28, 2012, 5:27 PM
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is. They got most of their 1st downs on 3rd down conversions.
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Legend [16134]
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Thought the bad D was all on KS...Maybe it is the players
Nov 28, 2012, 5:47 PM
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after all...
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yeah no teams were recruiting the 4 and 5 star players….
Nov 28, 2012, 6:06 PM
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we have on defense now. FSU didn't want Tony Steward or Travis Blanks. Nobody wanted Stephone Anthony. Maybe, BV is no better than KS. BV's defense's weren't good his last two seasons at OU. But, your response was just to argue for the sake of arguing. It had nothing to do with the state of our defense.
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No no no, it can't possibly be coaching, because that
Nov 28, 2012, 5:15 PM
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would reflect badly on Dabo. The gameplan was perfect, the playcalling was perfect, there was no strategic problem with our offense, at all. The official story from the Tnet experts is that:
- Our OL is bad
- Our S&C coach has to be fired
- The defense lost this game (they lose every game, because they're not coached by Dabo)
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Re: No no no, it can't possibly be coaching, because that
Nov 28, 2012, 6:49 PM
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Watch it! if you criticize St. Dabo, the patron saint of misguided fools and excuse makers, you will be called ......get ready, now......Coot! Double Coot!
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St Dabo thats funny***
Nov 28, 2012, 7:28 PM
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Re: Maybe I watched a different game ...
Nov 28, 2012, 5:21 PM
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> But for the 1st quarter the Tigers physically took it
> to the Coots.
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> During the next three qusrters:
> * Morris abandoned the run allowing SC's DL to start
> teeing off. Run blocking is much more aggressive -
> when we did it, we were fine.
I keep hearing people mention this. in the first drive in the second half, Ellington ran it for 1 yard on first down. Boyd was sacked on 2nd and 9, and rushed for 10 on 3rd down. So, other than 3rd and long, we have 50/50 split.
Second drive of the 2nd half:
Boyd pass complete to Jaron Brown
Ellington rush for 12
Ellington rush for 1
2nd & 9: Boyd pass incomplete to Nuk
3rd and 9: pass complete to Sammy for 5
FG
So, other than 3rd and long, we had 2 passes 2 runs.
3rd drive of the 2nd half:
Boyd scramble for 6 (busted pass play)
Ellington rush for 9
Boyd pass incomplete
Boyd rush for 3 (option rush)
on 3rd and 7, Boyd interception
So, other than 3rd and long, there were 2 called passes, 2 called rushes.
4th drive of the 2nd half (now down 27-17)
Boyd sacked
Boyd rush 3 yards (busted pass play)
Boyd pass incomplete
Punt
So, now that the deficit is 10 with less than 5 minutes to play, the playcalling gets much more one-dimensional.
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Re: Maybe I watched a different game ...
Nov 28, 2012, 5:25 PM
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SC looked bigger and stronger than Clemson. That doesn't always equate to them being more physical. Sometimes the uniform can make a difference in looks but Saturday, SC definitely looked the part. Kids are bigger today than they were in the 80's but SC looked close to what our players looked like during that time frame. I do not know how much apart the S&C programs are, but SC definitely has the thug mentality.
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Their numbers are very small on their jerseys….
Nov 28, 2012, 5:30 PM
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This is where the misconception comes from that they are bigger than us. The numbers on our jerseys our much bigger than theirs.
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Who might those announcers be?***
Nov 28, 2012, 4:28 PM
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Orange Blooded [4504]
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Don't hold your breath!!***
Nov 28, 2012, 4:29 PM
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My favorite Todd Ellis calls: "...and [the RB] is SLAMMED
Nov 28, 2012, 4:39 PM
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DOWN TO THE TURF...for a gain of 4" (Coots on D) and
"Marcus!! WITH A BURST OF SPEED UP THE MIDDLE...for a gain of 2"
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So there 5'8" and below wide receivers are bigger than our..
Nov 28, 2012, 4:28 PM
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6'2" and up wide receivers? And 5'11" 195 pound Connor Shaw is bigger than 6'1" 225 pound Tajh Boyd? Some people buy anything that is told to them.
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Legend [16134]
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Care to make that comparison with both lines of scrimmage?
Nov 28, 2012, 4:57 PM
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You know...Where size matters...
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So you're saying that Clowney at 260 and Taylor at 265….
Nov 28, 2012, 5:00 PM
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are bigger than our Offensive Tackles?
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They are bigger than our ends...That would be the real
Nov 28, 2012, 5:02 PM
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comparison...
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And they are stronger...And that is not up for debate...***
Nov 28, 2012, 5:04 PM
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Do you have their weight lifting stats?….
Nov 28, 2012, 5:15 PM
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Now Clowney is faster and better than both of our DE's but bigger and stronger, not necessarily.
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Chemicals will do that to a body***
Nov 28, 2012, 4:34 PM
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look at usuc's history. i truly believe they have returned
Nov 28, 2012, 4:36 PM
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to their s&c program of yore, the one that promoted a bottle and syringe. they look bigger in the body and smaller in the head. ( of course that could just be due to working out insanely and having a small brain,too.)
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Their team was no bigger than ours on the whole***
Nov 28, 2012, 4:37 PM
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Re: Their team was no bigger than ours on the whole***
Nov 28, 2012, 4:41 PM
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true, but there was a big difference on both lines, and there didn't seem to be that big a disparity out of hs.
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Clowney weighs 260, I don't think we have any Olinemen...
Nov 28, 2012, 4:49 PM
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that weigh 260 or less.
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Re: Clowney weighs 260, I don't think we have any Olinemen...
Nov 28, 2012, 4:54 PM
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thats a good size for a defensive end. with his frame, i don't think he could carry much more, and not lose some speed/quickness)
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Right, but he isn't bigger than our OT's***
Nov 28, 2012, 4:57 PM
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Could we block him?***
Nov 28, 2012, 5:07 PM
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I didn't say we could block him….
Nov 28, 2012, 5:25 PM
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you were stating that their line is bigger than ours. Both Taylor and Clowney aren't bigger than our Offensive Tackles. They're not even bigger than our DE's. Are they better yes, but bigger no. We could have blocked Clowney in the run game (as Clowney isn't a good run defender), but we quit running the ball with our running backs mostly after the 1st qtr. Twice in the 2nd half we run right at Clowney with Ellington, and both times Ellington blew right past him even though Clowney had the angle to make the tackle. Clowney is an amazing pass rusher, but he isn't a complete player as he is a weak run defender. He will have to improve on that next year, or he would be a situational DE in a 4-3 defense or he would have to be an Outside Linebacker in a 3-4 defense in the NFL.
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Re: I heard more than one announcer say that USC looked
Nov 28, 2012, 4:37 PM
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Dont say that the negative police might hear(Im still waiting for someone to start that car without the negative cable under the hood)and fart their ears inside out.
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Their baseball team does too. Need to check for STEROIDS.
Nov 28, 2012, 4:40 PM
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I'm just sayin' --- where there is smoke, there is fire.
Or their players might just bulk up quicker/better than other teams.
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Re: How did we lose to a makeshift team????
Nov 28, 2012, 5:15 PM
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boggles the mind.
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Cowherd has been saying it all year...***
Nov 28, 2012, 4:46 PM
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Cowherd only watches PAC 12 football…..
Nov 28, 2012, 4:56 PM
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because he is from the west coast. If you listen to his show, the only teams he goes into any detail about are Pac 12 teams. When he talks about SEC teams he provides no specifics, he just repeats the ESPN company line about the SEC. He does the same thing with the NBA. He provides no specifics about any teams in the NBA, he just only repeats the ESPN company line about the NBA. Only thing to listen to Cowherd is for, is his NFL coverage, that's something he actually watches and knows about. Everything else about him is towing the ESPN company line and being moronic by insulting certain fan bases to get higher ratings.
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I listen daily and he has said for months that the only 2
Nov 28, 2012, 5:01 PM
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teams that pass the eye test are Bama and SCU...
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Again if you listen, he provides no specifics about any….
Nov 28, 2012, 5:18 PM
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teams outside of the PAC 12. And if SCU passes the "eye" test, why aren't they in the SEC title game? Again, like I said before consider the source. The only thing Cowherd knows about is the NFL. Anything outside of the NFL, from his commentary it is more than obvious that the only thing he watches outside of the NFL is the PAC 12.
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They have Clowney
Nov 28, 2012, 4:48 PM
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Clowney single handed beat Tennessee. If Clowney isn't there, do they beat Clemson?
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Clowney was non factor in the UT game until that sack fumble
Nov 28, 2012, 4:58 PM
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UT's Oline neutralized Clowney for most of the game.
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UT has a better line than us and you can't argue that he
Nov 28, 2012, 5:06 PM
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didn't make an impact in our game...
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Never said our OL was better than UT's and I never said...
Nov 28, 2012, 5:37 PM
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he didn't make an impact against us. CM, I know you like to argue with me, but you're claiming I stated stuff that I didn't state. Where did I state we had a better OL than UT? Where did I state that Clowney didn't have an impact against us?
My point in this thread that SCU is so much bigger than us, just isn't true. That's what the OP was about.
CM really, you like to argue for the sake of arguing. This thread was about the size of SCU and Clemson. The OP stated nothing about how good Clowney and Taylor are. It stated nothing comparing our Oline to UT's Oline.
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3 point game with 5 minutes left. Dominant??????***
Nov 28, 2012, 5:49 PM
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Re: I heard more than one announcer say that USC looked
Nov 28, 2012, 6:59 PM
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The Tiger King is an idiot. The guy stated they "looked the part", etc. Give me a smart driven 295lb lineman anyday over a 330 irresponsible, lazy one.
Your arguements mean nothing and size isn't the issue. it is the Strength and Conditioning program. Clemson DEs are bigger but are they faster, stronger, I don't know. I know Clowney is 260 and 6-5 but runs faster than some running backs.
The idea of the original post was the announcers and football fans watching the game would say there was a difference in toughness, strength, conditioning, desire etc and that needs to change. It doesn't have a chance to grwo when you are whipping Duke, BC, Wake week in week out. There is no chance for struggle or determination to get better because there is no challenge throughout the year. Then USC and bowl season come up and losses mount.
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= a COOT playing the CONSERNED CU fan. Imposter and a liar
Nov 28, 2012, 7:12 PM
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"Member Since: Nov 27, 2011"
Says it all.
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