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Lungey P&R poll…How many y’all hope Trump
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Lungey P&R poll…How many y’all hope Trump


Jun 13, 2022, 6:02 PM

Goes to jail as a result of the Jan6 soirée?

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Re: Lungey P&R poll…How many y’all hope Trump


Jun 13, 2022, 6:21 PM

me

to visit hillary, pelosi, and take *Joe some cigarette money

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Re: Lungey P&R poll…How many y’all hope Trump


Jun 13, 2022, 6:30 PM

Jail isn’t a good look for the former President of our country, but then again neither were the last two months of Trump.

Napoleon was sent to Elba, so we should try for the furthest equivalent.

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As much as I dislike Trump I don’t really


Jun 13, 2022, 6:45 PM

care if he goes to the big house. I don’t think he planned the capital bust up but his lies about the election being stolen got those clowns worked up and planning the January 6th s@&tshow.

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I guess it’s splitting hairs at this point


Jun 13, 2022, 6:59 PM

It still seems like hyperbole to me and just outright lies.

I don’t know, I’m pretty indifferent to this amount of political drama that’s been going on.

Mrs Fluff and I said from day 1 that is abrasiveness would be his downfall. Granted, we did kind of think that in terms of p-big off a foreign leader or something like that

Republicans are insane to run him again.

Biden vs Trump II is a horrible idea for everyone

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I want him back on Twitter and running for president


Jun 13, 2022, 6:41 PM

as soon as possible, as well as playing a key role in endorsing, supporting and campaigning for Republican Senate and House candidates over the next 2+ years. I don't see how he does that from a prison cell.

Mitch McConnell wants to put that genie back in the bottle. I don't.

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Re: I want him back on Twitter and running for president


Jun 13, 2022, 6:47 PM

I want him running and winning.

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Re: Lungey P&R poll…How many y’all hope Trump


Jun 13, 2022, 6:54 PM

Definitely not jail. He should just fade into obscurity though. He is a disgrace to the nation. I don't know why anyone would want him as POTUS at this stage. Why wouldn't they just want DeSantis?

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Re: Lungey P&R poll…How many y’all hope Trump


Jun 13, 2022, 7:01 PM

DeSantis may not be able to win some rust belt states

no yankees, no win

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Re: Lungey P&R poll…How many y’all hope Trump


Jun 13, 2022, 7:11 PM

I would hope some yanks have had enough of the democrats. I understand some states are forever brain dead blue but maybe a few are getting it. Maybe??

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Re: Lungey P&R poll…How many y’all hope Trump


Jun 13, 2022, 7:12 PM [ in reply to Re: Lungey P&R poll…How many y’all hope Trump ]

What rust belt states will want a Dem after this mess everyone is living in now? I guess New York and Illinois. Trump wouldn't take those either. I assume DeSantis would take Ohio and Wisconsin though.

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No.


Jun 13, 2022, 10:18 PM

The simplest, easiest, and most believable theory on Jan. 6 is one in which Trump is not guilty of anything more than being a sociopathic grifter. Does he deserve to be in prison? Probably, but not for this -- or at least, not for what happened on Jan. 6.

The theory goes something like this:

Trump knew his goose was cooked on election night, and immediately began plotting how to make the most of his loss. Riding gracefully into the sunset would have squandered the energy of the campaign, and without that energy, the bucks would stop rolling in. This is where the election fraud angle came in.

There were two camps in this conspiracy. Those who were in on it (Trump, and inner-most circle), and the true-believes (aka useful idiots). Unfortunately for Trump, the useful idiots became a little too useful, and began taking the "stolen election" message seriously -- because it was a very serious allegation. However, their fervor was good for whipping up the base, and reigning them would require admitting it was all a fundraising gimmick and that wouldn't be good. So, he let it slide, not seeing what it would eventually lead to.

Enter Jan. 6.

I believe the January 6 was Trump's final hurrah -- his big send-off to which he would get the base spun up into a fever pitch, have them march to the Capitol in a big display, and protest outside while the election was certified thus ending the big charade nice and neat. Then Trump would harness the anger into quickly launching a media company, while Biden went on to be President.

Except it didn't go nice and neat. This is where the useful idiots outlived their usefulness. Either Trump was too dumb, arrogant, or naive to see the consequences of his lie, but the true believers went all-in on the narrative and given the gravitas of the claims, weren't merely content with stopping in front of the capitol. I think by the end of the rally this was clear to Team Trump, which is why Trump never showed back up at the Capitol like he promised. They saw how dangerous it was, and could not risk it.

The useful idiots were more than just the supporters who turned out and rioted. They were also higher level folks like Ginny Thomas, who were placed well enough to be able to reach some strings of power, but not so high as to be let in on the gag. So, that is where you have a whole bunch of the seditious conspiracy that doesn't connect all the way up the ladder.

But if you look at the demeanor of Team Trump that day -- with Jr. partying and getting hammered behind the scenes -- this wasn't the mood of group of people who truly believed in the lie, or had any inkling of a coup. These were people who saw a successful grift that was about to be parlayed into a media fortune. The violence at the capitol caught everyone off-guard. They knew the message was BS, but they forgot that not everybody knew that.

The fitting punishment for Trump would be for all his supporters to finally realize they have been played for idiots and drained of their savings to pad the lifestyles of a family who despises their very existence. In what world does a man with a golden toilet want anything to do with people who lift their trucks? It doesn't exist. MAGA was a giant fundraising tool / ego-stroker for Trump, and he road that bish out to the very end until it all blew up in his face. The pathetic thing is that MAGA types are still forking over huge wads of cash to the lie, like Dinesh's 2000 mules project.

But, this makes Trump a sociopathic buffoon, unworthy of the office he held or any other office he wishes to hold, but on that day in January, he wasn't guilty of anything more than his personal sins as a human.

ADDENDUM: The one thing I haven't quite placed is the Kraken lawsuits; if they were a part of the grift, or a product of the useful idiots. They were so absolutely and completely poorly done that it could be either.

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Re: No.


Jun 13, 2022, 10:38 PM

Lol, on election night DJT was killing it. Then the mules got to work.

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Useful idiots and such.***


Jun 13, 2022, 10:42 PM



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Re: Useful idiots and such.***


Jun 13, 2022, 10:48 PM



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Okay, Carol.***


Jun 13, 2022, 10:51 PM



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You seriously believe that, don’t you?


Jun 13, 2022, 11:13 PM [ in reply to Re: No. ]

Have you watched any of these hearings?

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I agree with all of this, except I’m still not sure if he believed it was a lie.


Jun 13, 2022, 11:11 PM [ in reply to No. ]

Part of me agrees with you that he knew the election was fair, but told the lie and continued to promote that lie for personal gain.

Another part of me thinks that he’s so egotistical that he doesn’t see how he could possibly have lost. He was so convinced of his popularity and the masses of humanity who supported him that he didn’t see the warning signs that he was going to lose. By the time the election loss happened, he only listened to those who told him what he wanted to hear. That continued after the election, and still continues today.

So I can see it possibly being either way.

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I guess it doesn't matter much whether he believed it.


Jun 13, 2022, 11:17 PM

His goal was to profit from it, and that's what the "Stop the Steal" campaign was -- not to win him the White House again, but to raise money and blood pressures to leverage into a media company.

Now, did he start using from his own stash and became a true believer himself? Maybe. I also think it is plausible that going back now is his doom, so he has no choice but to continue the narrative.

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I don’t see how Trump can ever backpedal now.


Jun 13, 2022, 11:32 PM

He’s too far in. His ego is too big, plus he has a huge number of idiots who still believe it was a stolen election and will continue to send him money.

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He manufactured it all to sow doubt


Jun 13, 2022, 11:52 PM [ in reply to I agree with all of this, except I’m still not sure if he believed it was a lie. ]

It was all pre-meditated, he is a deeply cynical person.

https://www.axios.com/2021/01/16/trump-election-premeditated-lie


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I think he knew it was a lie when it started.


Jun 14, 2022, 1:03 PM [ in reply to I agree with all of this, except I’m still not sure if he believed it was a lie. ]

But as it gained steam and others began to believe it, maybe he began to believe it too? At the very least he had to continue to double down on it as it grew.

I have a hard time believing that anyone actually believes it. I just don't think there are that many stupid people.

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Re: No.


Jun 13, 2022, 11:28 PM [ in reply to No. ]

Actually not a bad theory….

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I might even be tempted to say losing the election was a


Jun 13, 2022, 11:34 PM

relief for him. The duties of the president were way too demanding, with far too serious consequences for his liking. Moreover, he could enrich those around him (like Kushner), but the limitations on his business dealings personally made being president not worth the payoff. So, he was ready to head into the sunset and start printing money by buying Newsmax or OAN.

Which is why I don't think he runs again. He just wants people to think he may run again in order to still play kingmaker and be begged by the GOP establishment to graciously step aside. There is no way he wants to subject himself to the humiliation of running again.

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Re: I might even be tempted to say losing the election was a


Jun 14, 2022, 10:09 AM

The problem with that, though, is that while I think he'd like that role he's aware the second he doesn't run, a new GOP King will be anointed...and Trump himself becomes just another ex-president. At which point his influence evaporates like a soap bubble.

If, say, DeSantis gets elected, DeSantis isn't going to high-five Trump like a WWE tag-team and walk off into the sunset holding hands with His Orangeness. No, he's going to establish his power real quick, pick a fight with Trump on something just to show he will, and then callously disregard whatever Trump says and do the exact opposite just to show he can, and he'll probably publicly call out Trump for 1/6 on top of that just because it'll play with the middle base, make him look like he's an actual American president and not a would-be Franco. DeSantis has pretty much ruled Florida with an iron fist since becoming governor, he isn't a power sharer. But the dude is savvy and smart...and let's face it, like everybody, you know he secretly loathes Donald in private.

So if Donald wants what he really cares about, which is Brand Trump, to remain viable, he has to maintain his grip over the party. And that means he can't let anybody else accede to his throne.

If he's still politically intact in two years, Trump almost has to run. Whether he'd personally prefer to (and I agree with you he probably doesn't) or not.

I don't know if he's going to be politically intact, though. The Committee's laying out a boring, methodical, and absolutely thorough case, and that slow boring-but-implacable boa constrictor-type approach is how you bring down a wriggly scoundrel like Trump. I think by the end the Committee probably will have laid out a case against Trump and his cronies that ultimately produce courtroom results pretty much like the ones we saw after election day. Legally, there really is no defense for what Trump and his little cabal pulled and as the Committee just keeps methodically piling the legal bricks up I think it'll become increasingly obvious the Trump Party is over.

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See, I think his ego works the other way.


Jun 14, 2022, 10:11 AM

He knows his defeat is almost certain, and while he can maintain a brand after being bounced from office in the general, following it up with a defeat in the GOP primary would be too much to salvage.

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He manufactured the lie of the stolen election


Jun 13, 2022, 11:48 PM [ in reply to No. ]

It was all pre-meditated to sow doubt in our democracy. This isn’t something to take lightly. It is about as dangerous to our republic as an actual invasion.

The call to GA’s Raffensberger was a blatant attempt to commit fraud. It is all on tape.

The evidence of his sedition seems overwhelming to me. Before, during and after Jan 6.

He needs to be held accountable. Otherwise, we don’t have any credibility left as a nation of laws.

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Credibility as a nation of laws???


Jun 14, 2022, 7:36 AM

Are you still operating under the assumption that laws get applied to everyone equally in the US regardless of class, demographic, etc? I have some bad news for you…….

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Re: No.


Jun 14, 2022, 12:55 PM [ in reply to No. ]

But here's the question I've asked and nobody answered.

If Trump wasn't planning a violent insurrection...what on Earth was Roger Stone doing exactly hanging on the morning of 1/6 with the very Oathkeepers who were planning it?

Roger's a hired gun fixer who likes to play Gentleman Spy and work the dark end of the street...and he does not work either for free, or on his own behalf.



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Re: No.


Jun 14, 2022, 2:17 PM

LOL - So the guy with the most armed and loyal base in the world plans an insurrection with no guns.

You should try thinking before opening your mouth.

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Re: No.


Jun 14, 2022, 2:25 PM

Well, the Oathkeepers now currently being charged with seditious conspiracy were aware you couldn't carry guns in the Capitol Mall, so they allegedly stored the ones they planned to use in a nearby hotel room they were using as a staging area and safe house. They even planned to seize a boat and ferry those weapons across the Potomac.

That's what I think. Actually after you vanished right after 1/6 I sort of figured you, you know, had some legal issues going.

Well, there's always next time, though, right?

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/19/oath-keepers-jan-6-weapons-cache-527359


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Re: No.


Jun 14, 2022, 2:26 PM

who doesnt have that?

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Re: No.


Jun 14, 2022, 3:05 PM [ in reply to Re: No. ]

I think they were stored at the FBI building.

I just have been spending my time wisely waking up people who are actually willing to look and think for themselves.

There are 3 things that I've learned:

1) It is hard for people to accept that the Government/Big Pharma/Big Business really don't give a crap about them, but once they do truth comes at them quickly.

2) You can show people truths, but until they take a trip down their first rabbit whole they will never see truths. After that, you look at the whole world differently.

3) Much easier to trick someone than to convince them they have been tricked.

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Re: No.


Jun 14, 2022, 3:32 PM

Well, just speaking personally, bunky: I absolutely think for myself. I'm willing to fight the whole world with a pocketknife if it suits me. I've p!ssed off both Dems and Republicans on here and I do not care.

I am hardly any kind of statist. I'm basically a free-market Libertarian - the real kind, not the kind that just waves guns at everybody while grunting "FREEDOM!!!" like William Wallace - who favors small-as-possible government, private solutions over public ones, and I think the best kind of government is the one closest to you. I'd prefer Demarchy or pure direct democracy over the system we have now - we have the technology for that, We The People, remember? - but we're still using a government based around the limitations of technology from 1784, when everybody arrived in Philly on horses and carriages. And I freaking loathe this two-party monstrosity we've got going because it promotes the very professional political class America was never supposed to have and facilitates dumbing down our discourse and creates populism that does far more harm than good.

But I also have a special loathing in my heart for narcissistic dipsh!ts who are so misinformed and confused and dysfunctional that no view of either their follow humans or the world makes any kind of rational sense to them...and so they fall into this vast existential despair, decide everybody else is the problem, and reach for the gas can and matches to burn it all down because they don't know what else to do.

Sorry, when in your worldview everybody else is the problem, you're probably the problem.

We all live in this house you're trying to burn down, bunky. And it isn't a perfect house and I'm well-aware of its myriad flaws and I agree it very much needs to be fixed, but I'm honestly asking you: stop trying to torch it and take a breath. This isn't helping anything.

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And yet you think DONALD TRUMP does care about you?


Jun 14, 2022, 5:43 PM [ in reply to Re: No. ]

That’s the most ridiculous part about the whole Trump personality cult, that you idiots really think Donald Trump gives a $hit about you.

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Not me. I just wish someone with a sense of decorum


Jun 14, 2022, 6:51 AM

could take Trump's ideas and lead with them. Trump lost me in 2020. Up until then, I was willing to put up with his idiocy because he was (is) right about so many things - national defense, bad international deals, Chi-NAH, the economy, manufacturing, etc., etc. Trump's issues were spot on. He gets it and was willing to stand up to the Establishment and to Deep State and say it. But when the times called for leadership, he just could not do it and in fact made things worse.

So no, putting him in jail, although he may deserve it, will only embolden his supporters and keep him agitated.

My hope is that Youngkin or DeSantis or someone like that can use Trumpian ideas and combine those with decorum, get the nomination in '24 and beat the Socialist Woke Dems.

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Re: Lungey P&R poll…How many y’all hope Trump


Jun 14, 2022, 10:59 AM

Yes if he's guilty of a crime. No otherwise. Same as anyone else.

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I hope he goes to prison for something. Anything.


Jun 14, 2022, 12:50 PM

He's a garbage person and the people who blindly adore him deserve to watch it happen.

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I don't care what they do with him, as long as they make it


Jun 14, 2022, 1:08 PM

illegal for him to ever run for President again. If not, if the Republicans can't come up with a better candidate other than him, they are pretty much over as a political party in this country.

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Not me


Jun 14, 2022, 1:09 PM

just result in Butthurt Civil War that would last 20 years, and this place would be even more intolerable. He should spend the rest of his life in a courtroom.

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Re: Not me


Jun 14, 2022, 1:25 PM

I think that part's going to happen pretty definitely.

The thing is, there's a lot of his civil and criminal stuff that I think is being held up by this myth that he's somehow untouchable. He isn't, he skated on two impeachments where he was demonstrably guilty because of pure politics...the jury was Congress, and (most, anyhow, there were a few brave ones who actually had principles) of Congress were afraid of exactly what's happening to the ones who voted to impeach him now...of being primaried by Trump's base. So when it came time to Stand & Be Counted, too few stood.

Just as an aside, some folks have proposed a fix for that, that I suspect would have sunk both him and Clinton and put some accountability back to the Executive branch and pushed a lot of power back to the Representatives and Senators of the People: impeachments should be secret ballot. Which would allow Congress to actually vote their consciences.

That would solve a whole lot of nonsense from sociopathic liars who happened to be popular with their bases. You know, like Trump. And Bill Clinton. This Must Back The Tribe crap is exactly what's kept America pinwheeling between politics like Trump and Clinton for the last two-plus decades now.

As for Trump, the second he loses his grip on the GOP and this "I never lose" myth he himself invented goes POOF. And it's BS. The dude's been losing bigly in court since well before that anti-trust NFL lawsuit. So take his sway over the base away, he just gets nibbled to death in court by ducks. And Good God help him if the Russian oligarchs he owes $1.3 billion in personally guaranteed debt now to decide he's no longer useful and call in his debt.

So he stumbles, even once, and gets DQ'd as Candidate Trump....the wolves are going to have him. And I'll kick back, grab some popcorn, smile a big happy smile, and watch Animal Planet do its thing to him until he winds up like Roy Cohn once did.

I'd still love to see His Orangeness in an orange jumpsuit, though. Even if it's only for five minutes. Let it be history's enduring image of him.

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Re: Not me


Jun 14, 2022, 4:10 PM

simply Hanging him would not be a bad idea either, but make it public so his "fans" can see him beg and whimper for his life. Civil War averted.

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Re: Not me


Jun 14, 2022, 4:16 PM

Uh...hanging?

I thought I was the militant one. ;)

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Re: Lungey P&R poll…How many y’all hope Trump


Jun 14, 2022, 2:12 PM

LOL

We have had 2 failed impeachments.

Spent years and millions of taxpayer money.

Fake dossiers.

Had the MSM go after him 24/7 for the last 6 years.

He still draws bigger crowds in one event than Bidan did his whole campaign.

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Re: Lungey P&R poll…How many y’all hope Trump


Jun 14, 2022, 2:40 PM

No one denies that his following is cult like. Your life has to be pretty bland if your willing to stand in line to attend a political rally(circle jerk).

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Re: Lungey P&R poll…How many y’all hope Trump


Jun 14, 2022, 2:48 PM

Not jail, unless there is some smoking gun evidence that will be discovered.

If he were put in jail, I could imagine it being the straw that breaks the camel's back with some normal people turning into very pi$$ed off extremists with guns.

Actually, this may be exactly what the committee is looking for...

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