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Topic: Let’s be clear about Brownell
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Let’s be clear about Brownell

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Posted: May 1, 2021, 12:35 PM
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It’s all over but the crying. It is May and we currently have a total of 10 players lined up for next years team. He’s gonna be picking scraps from the portal. The AD nor Brownell have commented on the program in over a month since the season ended. DRad is obviously (thankfully) not going to extend Brownell for any more guaranteed money. Brownell is obviously too thankless for what he’s gotten from Clemson to accept an extension without more guaranteed money to benefit recruiting. Next year is going to be awful. So the only question is how deep a hole do we let him leave us with. There are a few decent players if a move were made now. If we wait till next year the next coach will probably inherit the worst team in my lifetime. After 12 years and enough money that he nor anyone he knows need work again Brad will leave us in as bad or worse shape than Shyatt. At least Shyatt was genuinely trying. Brad obviously doesn’t GAF anymore. In the only sport other than football that actually matters to the financial health of the athletic department, Radakovich has massively failed in his oversight of the basketball program.


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Good Lord, what a whiney tard***

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Posted: May 1, 2021, 12:39 PM
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Thanks for your thoughtful input.***

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Re: Thanks for your thoughtful input.***

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Posted: May 3, 2021, 12:36 PM
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OP reading Viz's posts



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Posted: May 1, 2021, 12:56 PM
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From the guy who can’t quite crying about our offensive line? Nice to meet you pot, I’m kettle.

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Two posts in two months and one was in response to my first

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Posted: May 1, 2021, 1:54 PM
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post, which was a valid observation by the way...You probably couldn't count them though because you're eyes are always filled with tears, you ####### crybaby

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Posted: May 1, 2021, 2:38 PM
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You seem pretty triggered snowflake. Sorry you love bad basketball so much. Must be so sad to know the farewell tour is finally on hand.

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What will you cry about then crybaby?***

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Posted: May 1, 2021, 2:43 PM
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Posted: May 1, 2021, 3:03 PM
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Whatever keeps you this riled up sweetie.

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I didn't start a thread crying like a #####, that was you

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Posted: May 1, 2021, 4:28 PM
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Ace...I merely pointed it out

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Posted: May 1, 2021, 12:48 PM
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Posted: May 1, 2021, 12:53 PM
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I think it’s been a month and counting since you promised we were gonna be really pleased with the transfers that were lined up. Let me know what I missed m’kay.

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Posted: May 1, 2021, 12:59 PM
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Collins is pretty good but we need a Lot more than just that...

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Posted: May 1, 2021, 1:00 PM
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I’m pretty sure it was after the Collins commit that he was promising big news around the corner. He loves pretending he’s a real insider.

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You're pretty sure? Way to draw a line in the sand***

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Posted: May 1, 2021, 2:45 PM
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Posted: May 1, 2021, 12:53 PM
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what about Brad said to our players? Simms acknowkedged it...

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Posted: May 2, 2021, 11:44 PM
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Honey, just be quiet. We get that you're living rich since your husband Brad is raking in so much money despite being horrible at his job. But no one cares about your input on this matter, because we all know your bias.

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Posted: May 1, 2021, 12:55 PM
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actually it is 10 now with Middlebrook not coming this season?

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Posted: May 1, 2021, 12:58 PM
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You’re right. We’re down 10 currently committed for next year.

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Posted: May 1, 2021, 1:11 PM
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And doesn't the new potential story about Brad Go with how he throws players under the Bus to the media after loses?...

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Yes. And now

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Posted: May 1, 2021, 1:48 PM
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blaming it on the walk-ons is a whole
new level of pitiful.

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Re: Yes. And now

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Posted: May 1, 2021, 1:53 PM
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If I remember correctly, Purnell left the pantry empty also.

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Posted: May 1, 2021, 2:36 PM
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https://247sports.com/college/clemson/Sport/Basketball/AllTimeRecruits/

That’s pro-Brownell bs. Per 247 rankings Purnell left him a full bench and what are, to this day, 3 of our top 5 recruits since 247 began rankings.

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Posted: May 1, 2021, 4:39 PM
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If you don’t like it write every single recruiting service a letter since that’s the composite index. As objective as it gets. Perhaps if 3 of the best 5 recruits we’ve ever had are considered busts and they were all coached by the same guy maybe we should start to question whether they were really all that bad or if he just didn’t know how to develop them.

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He scored 4.9 points a game as a FR in 15 mins a game for


Posted: May 1, 2021, 4:46 PM
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Brad and he scored 3.8 points in the same 15 mins a game as a SR at Auburn against lesser comp...You made my case for me Ace

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Posted: May 1, 2021, 4:50 PM
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What case? I don’t make the 247 composite ratings. I was responding to someone that said that Purnell left the cupboard empty. He literally left them the highest ranked group of talent in Clemson recruiting history according to 247. You have a fragile ego and wanting to pick on players doesn’t make that not true. Get over yourself. For someone that called me a whiny cry-baby you are throwing a #### of tantrum.

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I'm not picking on players, I merely listed his stats and


Posted: May 1, 2021, 5:00 PM
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apparently that equals a tantrum to you...Get a grip guy

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Posted: May 2, 2021, 10:14 AM
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Brownell made it to the dance with Purnell's players. It must not have been that bare. If my memory serves me correctly, it took him a while with his own players. I have no problem with Brownell, but the idea that anything that Purnell did impacted Brownell negatively just doesn't make sense.

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Posted: May 2, 2021, 11:00 AM
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No more Stitt or Grant. Some okay role players but the supposed great recruits from Purnell’s 2009 class weren’t what they were projected to be.

We saw the same thing with Shyatt’s second year. Once McIntyre was gone, not much was left thanks to Barnes’s poor recruiting his last couple of classes.

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Posted: May 2, 2021, 11:21 AM
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3 of the best 5 players ever to come to Clemson according to the 247 composite index were left with multiple years of eligibility. If they were misses, everyone missed. When 3 of the best 5 all flop under the same coach? And his first team snuck into the tourney as a play in team so not exactly shocking he didn’t make it back the next year. His 40th, 44th, 78th, 80th first 4 recruiting classes probably have more to do with it than Purnell who left 15th, 30th, 62nd, and 42nd ranked classes. Want to average those? People buy your crap because they don’t have the time or inclination to look at the facts.

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Posted: May 3, 2021, 12:41 PM
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LOL

Stop worrying about 247 *rankings* - that is a coot move. Milton Jennings was GREAT on paper but garbage on the court. If you can't see past that, well OP know how to react



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Posted: May 2, 2021, 12:05 PM
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Shyatt actually left OP better players than OP left Brownell which is pretty wild.

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Posted: May 2, 2021, 1:13 PM
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That statement is completely and totally untethered from anything close to reality.

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Posted: May 2, 2021, 1:27 PM
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Compare the players left in year two of Purnell and brownell’s tenure

OP had sharrod Ford, Akin Akinbala, and shawan Robinson.

Brownell had Andre Young, Tanner Smith, Devin Booker and Milton Jennings.

Who would you rather have?

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Posted: May 2, 2021, 1:40 PM
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That doesn’t represent the entire team. Brownell inherited a much, much between roster. Sharrod Ford is obviously head and shoulder over those other players. By year 3 a coach should be advancing his players and system. By that time Brownell’s recruiting was bottoming out. No one wants to fire Brownell in 2021 because 2011-12 sucked. It’s that the program has completely stagnated when the ACC is presenting the opportunity to compete for championships. Getting knocked out of the first round of this year’s ACC should be a gut punch akin to Tommy Bowden letting Wake and Boston College win division titles before Clemson. We threw it away in the first round while Georgia Tech (the only original team we have a winning record over) cruises to the title. If not now, when?

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Posted: May 2, 2021, 1:49 PM
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Yeah of course that’s not representing the entire team. That why I was just comparing the players left by each coach in year 2.

Nobody would argue that they would rather have Milton Jennings, Devin booker, Andre young, and tanner smith over sharod Ford, akinbala, and shawan Robinson.

That’s what I was saying. Upperclassmen carry Clemson’s teams. Is there an example of us having a good team with freshman and sophomores?

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Posted: May 2, 2021, 1:55 PM
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Brownell inherited a team with 9 underclassmen. They played a whole season for him. They were eligible to return year 2. Now Purnell is responsible for who Brownell chose to ask to move on or who no longer wanted to play for him?

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Posted: May 2, 2021, 2:16 PM
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viztiz® said:

Brownell inherited a team with 9 underclassmen. They played a whole season for him. They were eligible to return year 2. Now Purnell is responsible for who Brownell chose to ask to move on or who no longer wanted to play for him?



Who were those 9 underclass men?

My count is Noel Johnson, Devin booker, and Milton Jennings. Are you counting juniors? I don’t consider juniors upperclassmen.

Even if you count juniors, my count is 7.

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Posted: May 2, 2021, 2:55 PM
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I’m counting anyone who would have been eligible for year 2 since that was the season you were talking about.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/clemson/2011.html

In the 11-12 season they would return 59% of minutes played and 56% of offense according to this site. That’s better than we’re gonna do next year by my count where we’re returning 50.6% of offense according to their numbers.

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Posted: May 2, 2021, 3:44 PM
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Ok so you are counting deandre Hopkins (football player just to help out) and Corey Stanton (a weight state commit that followed brownell)

You are also counting juniors, who I consider upperclassmen.

My point is, that all the players that were left over from OP in year 2 were average. And I am correct about that. We had 0 sophomores because of timing of OP ditching us in the middle of the night.

I am correct, but you will not admit.

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Posted: May 2, 2021, 4:01 PM
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I can’t help you with your lack of common sense. I’m counting who’s there. Period. If I wasn’t you’d call that out. I don’t GAF who you call an upper or underclassman. You tried to act like Brownell had 3 god #### players on his team for his second year, that it was all Purnell’s fault, and this is why Brownell needs another ####### decade as coach or it’s just not fair. Brownell inherited a better team than Purnell. Period. Full stop. It has nothing to do with where we are at right now so why are you even on about it. You’ve made it clear that you think this team is magically “upgrading” themselves and will magically be better despite essentially being the same team as this year minus 2 of its 3 top scorers and a shorter bench. That’s you. That’s what you believe. Good for you. You believe a pile of absolute rubbish but you know what. #### happens. He could win a national championship next year. You can get 50/1 odds on Clemson to win it all right now. It was 60:1 last year so maybe you’re right. So go put some money where you mouth is.

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Posted: May 3, 2021, 8:01 AM
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Ok. And you are completely changing the argument because you are stupid and don’t know what you are talking about.

This stemmed from me saying, long term shy art left better players for OP, than OP left brownell. In year 2 that is true. You told me that take is insane.

When I showed my reasoning of the take you changed the scope of the argument. I was not talking about the state of the program, I was not talking about deandre Hopkins or Corey Stanton. I was talking about Purnell’s players that were left for brownell to coach.

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Posted: May 3, 2021, 12:33 PM
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2010-2011 Brad retained very good players (because re-recruiting the existing players is important to a new coach) but OP left a bare cupboard looking past the fly-by-night departure for 2011 oneward

Stitt, Grant, Young were a good combo. Those were is only real 3 players. After the 2010/2011 season, it was just Young. Tanner always needed the D to be more worried about someone else to produce points.

If anyone says Jennings was an attribute, then they weren't watching basketball. He dad a horrible inside %, could not cover the arc against any stretch, and was easily taken apart by any decent cutter. He would literally need 11 possessions at the rim to make 10 points and that is horrifically bad under the rim. Devon took slightly fewer shots and average nearly a full point more per game. For comparison, Trevor took about as many shot (in 08) than Jennings (10). If you gave Jennings 10 shots, you would have 9 points. Give Trevor 10 Shots and you would have 15point.

Devon was not like his brother - a veteran NBA talent. OP road that horse of all of his worth. Put an athletic big-man with Cliff/KC and a shooter, you are good to go. Remove that option and you are in trouble. Devin was serviceable but was not the offensive threat that could cause a defense to collapse leaving the arc open.

Our best player in 2011 was the 5-9 Young. Our 3pt game was 12th in conference and Smith only shot 35% from the ARC. Our Defensive capabilities were a liability. True, we would get steals, we could not play a half-court game to save our life. Thus we feasted on teams with weak PG play and then got obliterated by any decent veteran PG.

Baciu and Narcisse were good potential roll/off the bench players but they had zero offensive capabilities so combined with a stunted Devon, any defense would just sit on both Tanner and Young and you would effectively make Clemson a 0 producer team.

So your whole theory is shot... you need to start rethinking basketball.

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I’m tired of this excuse.

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Posted: May 2, 2021, 12:56 PM
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Did Brad not take the job knowing he should at least go out and get some players for year 2?
Or was he expected to just wait around and see how all of Purnell’s recruits would pan out, even into year 2?

I thought it was pretty beneficial to inherit a really solid team for year 1. After that, it’s on you!

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Posted: May 2, 2021, 1:08 PM
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Well not exactly. If you payed attention to Clemson basketball over the years (it’s pretty clear you haven’t) our upperclassmen usually carry the team.

We don’t recruit the one and done players so it is very rare for Clemson to have a freshman basketball player that sets the world on fire. The only one that I can remember having an instant impact was Trevor Booker. Donte grant ham had a pretty good freshman year as well if I remember correctly.

Brownell had 5 signees if I remember correctly that were freshman in his second year. He had no sophomores because Purnell left in the middle of the night at the end of the recruiting cycle.

Our freshman class consisted of TJ Sapp, Devin Coleman, Bernard Sullivan, KJ McDaniels, and Rod Hall. Sullivan was our highest rated player and was a 4* player. He transferred to Charlotte and ended up underperforming his ranking. KJ McDaniels ended up being great but he wasn’t great in his freshman year.

It’s very hard to expect freshman to come in and set the ACC on fire with the kinds of players we have historically had. And when you have 0 sophomores and average to below average upperclassmen, you’re not going to have a good year at all.

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Posted: May 2, 2021, 1:24 PM
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This is mostly gibberish except where extolling the virtue of individual players which is irrelevant. Purnells last 4 class average 30th in country - consistent with a team that made the tournament 4 straight years. Brownell’s first 4 classes averaged 60th in the country. Consistent with a coach who took a team from 4 straight NCAAs to missing the NIT. It’s also year 12 - so this is stupid. We were good, not great, against a terrible ACC. Bombed in the post season. Lost our offensive and defensive stat leader, down to a 10 man roster representing less than 1/2 of last years offense and less than 40% of last years defensive stats. How are you even deluding yourself at this point. But muh portal!?! It’s drying up rapidly.

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Posted: May 2, 2021, 1:38 PM
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Well you missed the point in my post completely, but that isn’t surprising.

I was answering Row’s question on why brownell didn’t make up for the lack of good players left by OP. And I was saying it’s delusional to think he should have made up our lack of talent in 1 recruiting class because we have never recruited the caliber of player that does well in year 1.

OP was no doubt a better recruiter, but brownell is the better coach. That’s why brownell won a tourney game in his first year with OP’s players. Purnell couldn’t do that in his 7 years at Clemson.

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Posted: May 2, 2021, 1:43 PM
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ARGHHHGH! He won a play-in that literally didn’t exist until that season. We were one of the last 2 teams in! A team considered a shoe-in for the preseason. A team that play so poorly early that despite finishing 4th in the ACC we were put into the play-in game. These talking points are tired.

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The fact that you’re so quick to believe a blowhard disgruntled parent over our own coach

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Posted: May 2, 2021, 9:43 PM
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speaks volumes. Of course, it’s not surprising given your anti-Brownell history.

I can guarantee you that Coach Brownell didn’t blame our ACC Tournament loss on the walk-ons. But you seem determined to believe something that asinine because it gives you more perceived ammo to criticize our basketball coach on a message board.

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Posted: May 3, 2021, 10:32 AM
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In all honesty, you don't know that he didn't and Row does not know that he did. He is juts going on what one young man told his father and you are going on nothing. I would not have believed it either, but would also not have believed that BB would have berated one of his players ...... assuming that the story is essentially true. If it is not true why would O'Neil or his father lie?

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made about Dabo Swinney creating an environment which restricts players' ability to worship their religion freely, or a complaint that the football coaches are racist.

We ultimately must evaluate whether the accusation is consistent with the person's character as we believe it to be. In situations where we don't know many specifics, I'm going to side with the Clemson man or woman until I have information telling me I shouldn't.

Brad is a Clemson man through and through. In his 11 years here, I have not heard one complaint about him mistreating anyone else. His players love him. It seems extremely out of character for him to disrespect a player and threaten his future.

At the end of the day, this was "family business" in a private practice session and should never have ended up on social media from a player's dad. If yelling, screaming, and cursing in practice is a deal breaker for a player or his parents, then perhaps college athletics aren't the place for that player. I can guarantee you that what Brownell said, if true, occurs during the overwhelming majority of practice sessions across all college sports.

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The answer is simple

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Posted: May 1, 2021, 2:44 PM
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We’re going to be in the same hole we’ve been in my entire life.

We need to go after a young guy next. A BKB Dabo

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Posted: May 1, 2021, 3:00 PM
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I don’t know what is.

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Posted: May 1, 2021, 3:08 PM
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Define awful next year. Let’s get you on record. Can’t wait to see how wrong you are after next year’s season.

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Posted: May 1, 2021, 3:22 PM
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I don’t see how we avoid a losing season with out current roster.

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Posted: May 2, 2021, 12:10 PM
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viztiz® said:

I don’t see how we avoid a losing season with out current roster.



Wow, that would be awful. If we have a losing season next year then I agree, brownell needs to go. There’s no way we have a losing season though.

If all things remain the same, we will be better at PG and SG, and SF.

We really need PJ Hall to progress like he should. If he does, I think we are better at the C position as well. The only position that we regress would be Aamir Simms position.

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Posted: May 2, 2021, 1:31 PM
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You just wrote a diatribe that included mentioning that freshman just can’t be expected to contribute in the ACC. So you can’t be taking about them. We have 1 transfer signed. How are we better at virtually every position when the players are returners who will no longer have the benefit of Simms drawing the bulk of the defense. You’re just living in a fantasy land.

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It’s pretty simple really.


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David Collins is an upgrade over Trapp plus Newman combined, based on last year.

Prosper only played a few minutes per game last year so his production is easily replaced next year by someone or a combination of someones.

I know it doesn’t fit your agenda, but our losses due to transfer are not significant and we have improved our team at those roster positions.

Losing Simms is obviously an important loss, but we knew he was graduating and moving on so that’s not an unanticipated loss. Sometimes teams improve when a do-everything player departs. Let’s see how the new leaders such as Dawes, Honor, and Tyson perform with increased roles. Let’s see how young guys like PJ Hall and Lynn Kidd do with more minutes. That’s where coaching and player development come in, and I believe in our coaching staff to figure it out.

The doom and gloom scenario where we have an awful year next year with a losing record is just not likely. Possible? Sure, but the chances of that happening are slim if we are being objective about this roster as well as Brownell’s tenure.

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Posted: May 2, 2021, 3:23 PM
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Next year will be, at best, the 3rd lowest returning offense of any of Brad Brownell’s teams. The two lower combined for a losing overall record 29-33 overall and 11th and 9th in the ACC.

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David Collins is an upgrade over Trapp plus Newman combined, based on last year.

Prosper only played a few minutes per game last year so his production is easily replaced next year by someone or a combination of someones.

I know it doesn’t fit your agenda, but our losses due to transfer are not significant and we have improved our team at those roster positions.

Losing Simms is obviously an important loss, but we knew he was graduating and moving on so that’s not an unanticipated loss. Sometimes teams improve when a do-everything player departs. Let’s see how the new leaders such as Dawes, Honor, and Tyson perform with increased roles. Let’s see how young guys like PJ Hall and Lynn Kidd do with more minutes. That’s where coaching and player development come in, and I believe in our coaching staff to figure it out.

The doom and gloom scenario where we have an awful year next year with a losing record is just not likely. Possible? Sure, but the chances of that happening are slim if we are being objective about this roster as well as Brownell’s tenure.


You got to be kidding me. We need a lot more than just Collins to not finish in the bottom 4 of the ACC next year. You expect Chase Hunter to improve that much? We have 10 players next year and just one walk-on. We are two injuries or more from being very thin next season.

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viztiz® said:

You just wrote a diatribe that included mentioning that freshman just can’t be expected to contribute in the ACC. So you can’t be taking about them. We have 1 transfer signed. How are we better at virtually every position when the players are returners who will no longer have the benefit of Simms drawing the bulk of the defense. You’re just living in a fantasy land.



Jesus dude, learn to read. I said at Clemson, the level we have historically recruited at, we haven’t had freshman that have done really well. I mentioned Trevor booker and donte grant ham as two of them. If you disagree, then name others. Otherwise, shut your fat #### up.

PG - it should be an upgrade. We have honor and Dawes both returning and they should both be better with another year under their belt.

SG - we lost Trapp and Newman. Trapp was inept offensively and Newman barely played. Hemenway should take a step forward and I would take Collins over both trap and Newman.

SF - We usually started 3 guards this year. So Collins could play SF with Hemenway at SG. We could also play a larger lineup with Tyson at SF. whether it’s Collins or Tyson at SF, I think it’s an upgrade.

PF - any replacement of Simms is a downgrade

C - we didn’t get much production out of baehre this year. I expect hall to step up And I think he will be an upgrade.

We wil not have as much depth next year. And I kind of like that. It seemed our depth create a situation where players couldn’t get into a groove because there were so many substitutions.

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Use your words big guy. Sorry you’re feeling triggered. You can always quit responding. It would be easier to understand you if you used the right words. A player is not an “upgrade” over themselves and if they were the better player they’d already have been starting. Not even I think so little of Brownell. So stop referring to returning players as upgrades (unless a clearly better player sat out the season with an injury or something). They might be “improved” but so should, in theory, any returning player so it’s a meaningless assertion. There is one possible upgrade at this moment and that is Collins. I won’t argue because neither of has any idea. But Rivals and 247 have him lower ranked so it’s not like we’re trading a 3 star for Michael Jordan. So we can”upgrade” one position. The rest your hoping to “improve” enough to more than double their output from last season while facing more defensive pressure and having to increase their skills as two-way players or their gonna have to further increase their output. Sounds simple. I’m sure it’s gonna work out great.

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You know exactly what I mean. The position groups of PG, SG, SF, and C (hopefully) should all be better next year. That’s what I am saying. And you are intentionally trying to be confused because you are an idiot. I think honor and Dawes should each be better next year because they will be a year older. That’s it. It’s nothing more complex than that. To think we will have a losing record next year is really dumb. Brownell has had 1 losing record since he’s been here. And that is when he had Devin booker and Milton Jennings as seniors, and no juniors. Which goes back to a previous point that you didn’t seem to understand.

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Clearly, there is a difference between hard coaching and demeaning a student athlete.
Yes, those of us that grew up many years ago - demeaning was “acceptable”. It did not make it right.

I am a bit surprised at the posts who are calling out the dad. Why? Because he cares about his and other children? I suspect the public portion of this is due to his calls being ignored. I would like to think that all families would support their children if attacked in a less than professional manner.

Many of the strong BB supporters - when discussing the programs moderate success - have continually brought up as a positive factor - “BB doing it the right way.” Well, it might not really be the case.

If the episode is as discussed, then it should be addressed immediately. Even though I do believe a change is needed (simply due to results and support) - I am not necessarily thinking that this single episode should get him fired. I do think it should be addressed and some sort of discipline/remedy established.

Under no circumstances should it be ignored by President Clements or Dan R.

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Posted: May 2, 2021, 10:21 AM
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I agree but how do we know that the incident was not addressed. There would not be a reason, that I see, to make any action public. Just because the dad wants this tried in the court of public opinion, doesn't mean that it should be.

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Posted: May 2, 2021, 2:38 PM
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I don’t think you were very clear Can Brad have his day in court I’m sure you would like due process

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Posted: May 2, 2021, 2:56 PM
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This post is not about video dad. He’s had 11 years of days in court as a coach.

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Let’s Be Clear

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Posted: May 2, 2021, 4:43 PM
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You are an idiot who knows nothing about basketball.

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The greatest fairytale told is the “OP left the cupboard bare”argument


Posted: May 2, 2021, 5:31 PM
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CBB said out of his own mouth he inherited a team that was not a rebuild. Transcripts of his introductory presser:

https://clemsontigers.com/brad-brownell-hiring-press-conference-transcript/


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Get a life, or get off this board. May I suggest you jump

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on the Lady Gamecock bandwagon. Brad came to one of the smallest towns, in one of the smallest states, to a school that has never had any basketball tradition. Also, his conference opponents were Duke, UNC, Syracuse, Louisville, Wake, etc. He is a great basketball coach! I recall the ffrst year Brad was with us we played Duke in Cameron. Though we obviously got beat, after the game, in his post game interview, Coach K could not say enough about how well coached our team was.

Why can’t you “loyal” Clemson supporters accept what he is up against?

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Erebody! come quick! Girl fight!!!!!!!***


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Shyatt & Brownell home game attendance are fairly equivalent

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When Brownell takes his early retirement moves to one of his mansions in Grand Cayman, I will return to watch our new HC and team at Littlejohn. Looking forward to it!

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It's unfortunate that your support is conditional.

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Posted: May 3, 2021, 11:55 AM
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Don't you think the program and players deserve your support regardless?

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Cobbox on Brad Brownell: “His only problem is he has to deal with turd fans questioning every move he makes.”


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