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Lane Kiffin on NIL (Saying NCAAF is a professional sport).
May 26, 2022, 9:04 AM
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https://www.si.com/college/2022/05/25/lane-kiffin-nil-recruiting-boosters-nick-sabanL
What I don't know is
1) does Clemson University want to be in business of professional sports?
2) Will there be a salary cap and revenue sharing?
3) If coaches (and now players too) make good money, what does the University get out of it? In pro sports the "ownership" gets some money out of it, if Clemson the University doesn't make anything why bother?
4) Will students and alumni support a completely pro-football on campuses the the way they have in the past?
5) Yearly contracts or 4 year guaranteed money? Why not some 10 year money contracts for 2-3 year playing time? Market may demand it.
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Re: Lane Kiffin on NIL (Saying NCAAF is a professional sport).
May 26, 2022, 9:19 AM
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1. No
2. No, too late.
3. National visibility for the school
4. No.
5. Why even offer a contract? They’ll still just portal out whenever they want. Everything should be year to year.
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I will need to find something else to occupy my Saturdays...
May 26, 2022, 9:22 AM
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... I don't think I can ever NOT watch my Tigers, but a 'pro' game between Texas and Oklahoma with both ranked say in high teens or 20s or one not even ranked? May be I need to find something else to do...
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Re: I will need to find something else to occupy my Saturdays...
May 26, 2022, 10:00 AM
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I remember a time when I just had to watch as much football as I could. Didn’t really matter who was playing.
The last few years I haven’t even bothered to bring a tv to the tailgate. The only games I really pay attention to anymore involve Clemson. Pretty much just watch highlights of other games.
Saturday is only for Clemson football. Sunup to late night.
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You don't watch an NFL game with your primary focus being
May 26, 2022, 10:34 AM
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that you are just watching one group of Millionaires playing another group of Millionaires. For most, it is just watching one world class group of athletes playing another world class group of athletes. I suspect it would be the same in the "professional" college game.
The biggest difference would be, no matter how great an athlete might be, a given team only has him for three or four years, at the most, and his eligibility is used up. Nobody will be going on twenty plus year runs, like Tom Brady.
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if really a pro sport, why the 4 year eligibility limit?
May 26, 2022, 1:33 PM
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A case can be made that denying someone rights to earn "professional" money by being on a CF team longer than 4 years is as unfair as not having a transfer portal, or NIL deals.
If you are pro-league, you are pro all the way it would seem. Cuts and summary releases (mid season) for players should be allowed, as well as mid-season (or even mid-game?) portal transfer?
Just think: Coming out of half time a player asks "hey, we are about to kick off, where is Joe?" Answer; "Look over at the other sideline, Joe did a portal jump at the half time and now plays for them!" LoL.
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Re: Lane Kiffin on NIL (Saying NCAAF is a professional sport).
May 26, 2022, 9:25 AM
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I think that 4th 'no' is the big one.
They are banking on continued support, while fundamentally changing the sport.
Now fans may, or may not, continue to watch and spend their money as they have... but many a sport/company/product has made similar gambles and found out too late that their financial projections don't match up with facts on the ground.
My family was considering buying season tickets a few years ago, but wouldn't do that now, as an example. I think they need to be very careful how they proceed or a lot of fans can just walk away.
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I don't think it will be done consciously, but people won't
May 26, 2022, 9:26 AM
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feel the same connection to their university's team when it's made up of professional athletes.
I could be wrong (it's happened before).
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Re: I don't think it will be done consciously, but people won't
May 26, 2022, 9:28 AM
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It will change everything. Part of the fun is watching these "kids" grow and achieving their goals after college.
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that's 100% correct........
May 26, 2022, 11:11 AM
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our 80K+ seat stadium would eventually get to where it's 50% (being generous) or less full for Clemson games.
Clemson has been able to skyrocket IPTAY dues and ask for more money from donors during this decade of success and meteoric rise of the football program b/c the demand for it has been there. Eventually that luxury of just upping the cost for an expensive hobby will turn the other way. Fans will stop caring or wanting to waste an ENTIRE saturday to go watch, not only a team of paid athletes, but a team that's mediocre in the world of CFB..........Clemson doesn't have enough money to compete with the deep pockets of college football.
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We will not recognize CFB in 5 years
May 26, 2022, 9:52 AM
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As we remember it growing up. Arch Manning is going to be worth 10 million before he ever throws a pass. We had a player (name redacted) who dressed like a pimp last year and performed worse.
Fans will not put with this NIL in the long term. If I want to watch paid athletes I'll watch the NFL. They have killed college football. Just a matter of time when stadiums are at half capacity
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Re: We will not recognize CFB in 5 years
May 26, 2022, 10:02 AM
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Who ever thumbed down my response - tell me where I'm wrong...
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Re: We will not recognize CFB in 5 years
May 26, 2022, 10:42 AM
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I will agree with you except on the player you are talking about. Clemson will start to see plenty of empty seats in the next couple of years. Nil has already played a factor in our recruiting and it will only get worse. Also so what, we sign a 5 star, there will be a good chance if he is smart player that he goes into the portal as soon as he has a breakout season and then we will not be able to compete with the Bama's, So Cal., Texas schools and Osu. We will be entering each season hoping we can compete for a state championship and maybe the Acc championship.
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Re: We will not recognize CFB in 5 years
May 26, 2022, 11:10 AM
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Wasn’t me, obviously, but when you take a dig at one of our players you will probably earn a td…
HTH
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Re: Lane Kiffin on NIL (Saying NCAAF is a professional sport).
May 26, 2022, 11:10 AM
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Professional leagues have a salary cap and can fire players.
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on fans getting turned off by hardball NIL negotiations...
May 26, 2022, 1:28 PM
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I am afraid that the deal for atheletes will be 4 years of full scholarship as the minimum floor, regardless of performance, and all NIL deals on top.
I feel the enthusiasm to support players who have intense, difficult negotiations w/ university/NIL_Boards will lose some support. (I for one would not want to see that basketball kid at Miami play, he said $800k is not enough, do more or I walk... I am ok w/ that for a pro athlete, not sure if want to see Clemson logo and uniforms being used for this.)
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Yes, top tier NCAAF is a professional sport and always has been***
May 26, 2022, 1:41 PM
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Re: Lane Kiffin on NIL (Saying NCAAF is a professional sport).
May 26, 2022, 4:50 PM
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I see no way to implement a salary cap for NIL.
There is no structure set up to do that. There is no commissioner. There is no office where every school has to get ever contract to the league office and have it approved.
And, even pro sports do not have a NIL salary cap. Players can make as much money as the market will allow from NIL. There is not cap to how mch Aaron Rogers can make or Chris Paul make by getting money from Stat Farm for their NIL. Tom Brady has already signed an NIL deal with Fox for next year or whenever he retires.
The SEC could tell a school that the school could only pay a total of X dollars and all contracts must be approved by the commissioner. (But, the school presidents would have to vote to approve that figure or vote to give the commissioner to the authority to set a cap.)
I think SCOTUS made it very clear that no one has to right to tell Sam Walton he can't sign Ricky Roly Razorback 2 million dollars for endorsing Wal-Mart.
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