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This is what good coaching can do for you.
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Our basketball team has no five star recruits. Duke has four. They have a top 5 recruiting class every year. We are usually in the 30s or 40s.
We won by 8. Us beating them is like TCU beating Georgia in football this year, and we know how that game went.
Look at our roster. Other than PJ Hall, we have no top 50 recruits. But we do have a bunch of guys who play their tails off and have improved over the course of their Clemson careers. Consider the dramatic improvement in guys like Hall, Hunter Tyson, Chase Hunter, Ian Schieffelin, and Ben Middlebrooks. That’s good coaching.
Our group of unheralded players beat the most talented team in college basketball. And we did it without our best shooter (Hemenway), and despite our best player this year not having a good game (Tyson). Another one of our best players also had a bad game (Chase Hunter) and we still won.
Great job, Tigers! What a win! We are now 15-3, 7-0 in the ACC, first place by ourselves. We have won 11 straight ACC regular season games. What a season!
Get behind this team. We can be special. Go Tigers!
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Re: This is what good coaching can do for you.
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Hey man, we get it. We are having a good year. Discrediting our players talent to fit your narrative just makes you look like an a hole. It wasn't always brad, he's proven he can't coach a team that doesn't blend together well and make them hole.
He has proven this year, kind of, with some terrible losses, that he can win with a good roster. Is that credit to the players or the coach? Seems like it's the players to me. They seem different, coach doesn't.
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Just stop already.
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You aren’t a Clemson basketball fan. Football signing day part 2 will be here in a few weeks.
Until then, you can be on the Jaguars’ bandwagon.
I’ll keep cheering for our Tiger basketball team and marveling at what an incredible job they are doing.
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Re: Just stop already.
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I haven't missed a Clemson basketball game on radio or TV since I was in high school and had a baseball game at night. I promise I know just as much as you about Clemson basketball, it's a passion of mine. Doesn't meant I have to blindly support the disappointment I've had.
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Then why be negative and harp on previous Clemson teams you didn’t like?
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Jan 15, 2023, 1:37 AM
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The post was about this season and the incredible job our players and coaches are doing. Why can’t you appreciate that?
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Re: Then why be negative and harp on previous Clemson teams you didn’t like?
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I appreciate it greatly, it just seems you're praising nothing but the coach while saying how unheralded the players are
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Forgive me, but I’ve read thousands of posts here
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over the years saying that it’s all about the coach. When we haven’t had great seasons, it’s Brownell’s fault. When we lost a close game, it was Brownell’s fault.
Given that, shouldn’t Brownell get credit when we are having a great season? Of course he should.
Of course the players deserve credit. As I said, they play their tails off and have improved since arriving on campus. But the truth is that they aren’t elite 5 star recruits like Duke has. That’s no knock on them at all.
The point is, our guys beat theirs even though they shouldn’t based on the significant talent difference on paper.
This isn’t hard to understand.
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He hasn't done anything he shouldn't have been doing the previous 12 years.
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That's why we gave him great facilities and millions of dollars.
I also want to note he hasn't really done anything yet.
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It has been Brownell's fault. Undoubtedly.
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It's weird how you blame coaching for two top 14 finishes in football but then don't want to blame Brad for average finishes in the 70's over his tenure. Are you really that much of a hypocrite?
Are you Brad's wife?
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So it has been about the coach for 12 years?
Jan 15, 2023, 9:40 PM
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I mean, based on your new stance it had t0 be. You can't speak out both sides of your mouth and expect to fool people. So stop trying.
By your own words, Brad is responsible for all of it, which has been 11 years of basically nothing truly successful, then we rode the coattails of Gabe DeVoe and the hot guards. Other than that, 11 years of mediocre or below. Right? Right. Just admit it.
By the way, it's not wise to count your chickens before they hatch. You may want to save your petty trolling for if/when we actually accomplish something. It's obvious wisdom isn't your strongsuit, but at least try. Mmmkay?
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She's always thrown our players under the bus complaining
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about Brad's supposed lack of resources to recruit better talent over the years. They've never been good enough to make Brad look good has been her normal take on things here.
Sorry about the TD there. Hit the wrong button. I'll make it up elsewhere.
Go Tigers!
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Re: Then why be negative and harp on previous Clemson teams you didn’t like?
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The difference this year is:
Better players than in the past
CBB’s sudden discovery that to win you have to play offense
Playing to win instead of playing not to lose.
Confident/better shooters
I give credit to any/all of the coaching changes to Graham Neff.
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Re: Then why be negative and harp on previous Clemson teams you didn’t like?
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Jan 15, 2023, 9:13 AM
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No it wasn't. It was about your stroking yourself for your Brownell love. And setting the thread up so that you can take potshots at football fans, and people who are otherwise supporting former players.
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This post had absolutely nothing to do with football.
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Everything isn’t about football, but the fact that some of you make everything about football is part of our problem at Clemson.
It’s okay to not talk about football sometimes. This post was one of those times.
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Football is King.
Jan 15, 2023, 7:32 PM
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Correct?
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Re: Then why be negative and harp on previous Clemson teams you didn’t like?
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There’s nothing to appreciate judge we know when the big boy games come we will get boat raced and don’t compare this downed Duke team who is more like the East Bodega slapdicks then actually being a good team. All I see is the same ol same ol and Brad will be exposed. There isn’t a SINGLE thing that could happen other then undefeated, world/universe champs, winning every game by 50 that could make me do anything other then complain about everything
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Re: Then why be negative and harp on previous Clemson teams you didn’t like?
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Is that what you’re hoping for, bud? Perhaps you just hate basketball? If that’s the case, then forgive my question. However, if you’re a Clemson fan, you don’t REALLY feel that way, do you? I mean if Clemson finishes in the Top 3 in the league and manages to finish the regular season ranked and with an NCAA seeding of no worse than 5, would you really be really upset about that? That’s hard to believe. But, if you’ve been a Clemson fan for any amount of time, and you’ve happened to follow basketball at all, then you best enjoy this season no matter who the head basketball coach might be. These seasons don’t happen too often for the ole Tigers, and I’ve been following the B-ball ant Clemson since about 1987. Again, though, if you just hate basketball, I can understand that, and please forgive me wasting your time. Have a great night or day. Go Tigers!
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"Jaguars bandwagon" -smh, seriously? It's not about that.
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It's about supporting past and present Clemson players. So you basically contradicted your own thread.
Or does your support of past and present Clemson players only apply to Basketball? Or do you only support present Clemson players? Or present Clemson basketball players?
I was hoping Mike Williams was going to play and have a good game too. If that had been the case, it would have been a win-win either way, 'cept the Jags have 3 former Clemson players to the Chargers one.
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I don't think Brad's wife cares anything about Clemson.***
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Re: "Jaguars bandwagon" -smh, seriously? It's not about that.
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Thank you for that, BigAl, not sure where judge was going with that besides trying to throw a shot at me. Really random comment and nothing to do with basketball
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If Brad Brownell was such a great coach
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Jan 15, 2023, 3:57 AM
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It wouldn’t have taken him this long to do what we’re doing this year. And I’m sorry. I’m happy for the team. But I’m not getting excited because we’ve been here before. We’ve had plenty of good starts. Not this good. But plenty of good starts. Then crashed and burned!
I am cautiously optimistic!
This is the weakest ACC in decades. The ACC has been down for several years. We had more success back in the 80s. Brad Brownell has better facilities and more support than any coach in Clemson basketball history.
Like I said. Cautiously optimistic.
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No, we’ve never been here before.
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We’ve never been 7-0 in the ACC.
We’ve never won 11 ACC regular season games in a row.
Be cautiously optimistic if that’s what works for you, but that doesn’t take away from how well-coached this team is and how incredible the player development has been.
If you’re a Clemson fan, you should acknowledge what a great job our coaching staff has done.
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Re: No, we’ve never been here before.
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If youre a true fan, you have to wonder why its taken this long. Is it because hes FINALLY gotten his crap together? Or is it because there is no coach K, no Dean, boemheim is a dementia patient, Leonard cant seem to find a clue, etc, etc. I'm hoping that we win our 2 nd league championship in 70 years, but not real happy its taken this long.
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Re: No, we’ve never been here before.
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The problem is that that you’ve acted like yourself too many times in this forum.
I’m thrilled about our basketball team’s success. I’m happy our coach is successful, but most folks here are starting to realize that when JK comes to the party, he brings a bag of potato chips as a gift but then sneezes into the punch bowl, double dips the chips, and then poops on your couch.
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You really aren’t very bright Are you?
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One. It’s called context.
Two. I acknowledged it’s the best start we’ve ever had in conference play, but I also mentioned we have had other good starts to seasons before.
You do realize we lost three games out of conference to teams we should not have lost to? One game was a blowout. To a nobody. The other two were by a total of three points. Typically losing close games to inferior teams is an example of poor coaching.
We have had numerous seasons that started out hot and promising under Brad. Then they turned to dust! That is undeniable. That is a fact. So yes, we have been here before. It’s an expression. It’s called nuance and context. If you had any intelligence you would understand that. If you had any objectivity, you would understand that.
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You aren’t a Clemson basketball fan either. You’re a Brad fan.
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You don’t cheer for our basketball team, you cheer for Brad.
Brad is the same Brad.
So obviously it must be the fan support that is the difference this year.
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Yep. New administration and great fan support.
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Just look at the results on the court!
Guess Judge K was right about those things.
Now imagine what we could do if we added a great head coach to the mix. Sky would be the limit.
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Re: Just stop already.
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The fans ARE behind this TEAM. Only you can be divisive yet again and make it about Brad. You’re the worst fan on this site.
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How am I being divisive to point out what an incredible job
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Brownell has done?
Unbelievable.
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Re: How am I being divisive to point out what an incredible job
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Your OP wasn’t divisive but didn’t take long for you to go all JK. Have you ever stopped to think that you’ve turned some of the fans against Brownell with some of your ridiculous takes?
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Re: Just stop already.
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It is not that anyone is cheering against the basketball team. It is that you totally are obnoxious and unrealistic supporter of Brads jock strap. If you are not Brad then you are either his stalker, wife or lover and I understand your support. Otherwise, give criticism for a coach who has achieved equivocally to Tommy West in football is biased and idiotic.
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Re: Just stop already.
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Reminds me of Brittany Mahomes ridiculous tweets.
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Re: Just stop already.
Jan 15, 2023, 9:39 AM
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And you aren’t a Clemson football fan.
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Re: Just stop already.
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We do have a bunch of guys playing their tails off. No doubt. I'm still not happy with our rebounding techniques. But I'm not complaining now when we are leading teh conference!!
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Re: Just stop already.
Jan 15, 2023, 8:47 PM
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Also funny how you like to throw jags shade at me for supporting our alumni. Shows your priorities and common sense
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He is an a hole.
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Glad our players are playing well and love to see Clemson winning...FINALLY. Been waiting 12 years. Now let's see if we can do it consistently.
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It feels strange saying it , but we are....
Jan 15, 2023, 10:51 AM
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a well coached basketball team. Our players are playing well but they play as a team. This team stays in their offense and keeps running the plays with perseverance. Defense yesterday was just outstanding. Hustle is off the charts. Chase got a little grumpy at times but looked a little leg weary. He has been playing a lot of minutes.
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Re: This is what good coaching can do for you.
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Hey man, we get it. We are having a good year. Discrediting our players talent to fit your narrative just makes you look like an a hole. It wasn't always brad, he's proven he can't coach a team that doesn't blend together well and make them hole.
He has proven this year, kind of, with some terrible losses, that he can win with a good roster. Is that credit to the players or the coach? Seems like it's the players to me. They seem different, coach doesn't.
I love all your posts Judge! Keep firing ? up the masses. You are to Tigernet what Trump was to Twitter. I love ❤️ you both! Balm and Marion don't hold a candle to you. The stupid sarcasm they bring to this forum is beyond dull!
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Re: This is what good coaching can do for you.
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If only we could’ve had some good coaching the last 12 seasons. No telling where we may be by now. Possibly ranked in the top 15.
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Re: This is what good coaching can do for you.
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Love this team but hard to compare basketball to football with Duke usually having one and domes and Clemson having gift year guys like Tyson. But this was a huge win and haves me all the more confident. Sure it was a boost of confidence for the team as well to knock off a blue blood like Duke
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Re: This is what good coaching can do for you.
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Can't we just enjoy cheering for our Tigers without making it about the coach?
We can evaluate his performance at the end. Let's just enjoy the season.
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Re: This is what good coaching can do for you.
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Let’s just enjoy a great win??
GT!
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Re: This is what good coaching can do for you.
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Talent, not coaching.
Go away.
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Brownell has won 400 games as a college head coach.
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He has a lot to do with our success this year.
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What are his accomplishments over his career?
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He's one of 4 Clemson HCs to make the Sweet 16, he has
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Almost everything you listed is this team.
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He has done next to nothing the previous 12 years. And North Carolina hasn’t been UNC in years. FYI he’s done that with the weakest ACC ever. The ACC was much harder in the 70s and 80s. The ACC has been down.
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Re: Almost everything you listed is this team.
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He has done next to nothing the previous 12 years. And North Carolina hasn’t been UNC in years. FYI he’s done that with the weakest ACC ever. The ACC was much harder in the 70s and 80s. The ACC has been down.
Unc went to the national championship game last year.
I swear, it's like our basketball "fans" don't even watch college basketball
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Going back years to support your argument is the classic Clemson football rationalization.
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We have underachieved in football two years in a row, and rather than talk about how good we’ve been over the last decade. Never mind the fact that the two most recent years have been a significant departure from that.
Likewise, with basketball, some of you can’t talk about how good we are this year without going back a decade because it makes your argument better (which in this case, it’s not to praise a coach, but to criticize him).
Admit it, some of you are so ashamed of our football performance that you can’t being yourself to acknowledge what a wonderful job our basketball program is doing.
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That's a pitiful 12 year list, save the UNC win.
Jan 15, 2023, 10:43 AM
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I'll give him that.
7-0. No coach in Clemson history has played in such a down ACC.
Anything else?
Are you cool with two tournament wins in 12 years and an average finish in the 70's while collecting a top 40 salary.
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Welcome to Clemson Basketball pal, those two wins ended a
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20 year drought in the Tourney
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Re: That's a pitiful 12 year list, save the UNC win.
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I'll give him that.
7-0. No coach in Clemson history has played in such a down ACC.
Anything else?
Are you cool with two tournament wins in 12 years and an average finish in the 70's while collecting a top 40 salary.
I bet you were a fan of op. By your metrics, BB is way better than OP
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Re: That's a pitiful 12 year list, save the UNC win.
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Are you being sarcastic, or are you this dumb....
You said "unc hasn't been unc in years". I'm assuming you meant they haven't been as good as they used to be in YEARS. They literally went to the to the championship game LAST YEAR.
In the last 12 years, they have 1 national title. Have been to then national title game 2 other times and the sweet 16 3 times. Literally every other year they have advanced to the sweet 16 or final game.
They have been a premier program over the last 12 years. You are an idiot
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And Jack won over 1000 baseball games.
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But the program was in steady decline under his leadership and he choked not once, but twice in Omaha with arguably the best team in the country!
Jack and Brad Brownell are examples of success by doing good enough to hang around long enough to win a bunch of games.
Cherry picking statistics without context is a losers trick!
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Re: And Jack won over 1000 baseball games.
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You are really going to compare Jack Leggett to Brad Brownell. He didn't just go to Omaha twice. He went 6 times. He missed the playoffs once in 22 years. Yes we never won the title, but I think that is a little higher standard, than can the team make the playoffs.
As far as Brad goes, it is usually a case of what have you done for me lately. Lately Brad has us 2 games ahead of the field in the ACC. We are for all practical purposes 4 games ahead of Duke. I am uneasy that the rug won't be pulled out from under us, but I'll enjoy it while it lasts. For right now Brad is doing fantastic, and I will gladly eat crow.
I would like to point out to JK and all of the fans that criticized fan support, that Littlejohn is rocking now that the product is better. Clemson basketball fans are fair weathered, but when the weather is good they come out in force.
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Re: And Jack won over 1000 baseball games.
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And we had MULTIPLE ACC league titles. How many in basketball? The two do not conflate. Leggett had built in credibility. He was a proven winner. Not winning in Omaha is at least forgivable considering all he had accomplished.
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Leggett also inherited a very successful program
Jan 15, 2023, 10:25 AM
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that was a “blue blood” college baseball program.
Brownell inherited nothing of the sort.
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Thank you for helping make my point.
Jan 15, 2023, 10:42 AM
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Jack inherited a great program, and ran it into the dirt!
Brad has had a historically weak ACC that has seen other football schools like Florida State, Miami, Virginia Tech, coming to the conference and have more success.
Because of cable TV and the ACCN the program has had more exposure than ever during his tenure.
He has been the highest paid coach and best facilities of any basketball coach in Clemson history.
As others have stated, he has done more with less than anyone in Clemson basketball.
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Re: Thank you for helping make my point.
Jan 15, 2023, 5:51 PM
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No league championship
No tourney championship
I guarantee you, if Barnes had stayed, we would have had at least one of those. Friggin fsu, Miami, n.d. and va tech won. Usuc can claim something that we CANT!!!!!!!!!!
Brownell has had talent. There have been several that have made it, albeit only shortly, to the NBA. Lots have made it internationally. Brownell has been here far too long, with far too little results. As the saying goes, even a blind dammmm squirrel finds a friggin nut. But not our friggin BB coach.
As for Jack Leggett, he produced. He PRODUCED results. We can argue about the game passing him by, but there are multiple successful years for Leggett. You can't say that for Brownell. Brownell has had more than enough time to overcome previous coaches. This is his team. He has had enough time to produce. Other teams have....why can't he???
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Yes, the crowd was great.
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It’s good to see, but it’s what every other fan base does.
Our fans shouldn’t act like we have this great basketball fan base when it takes an unprecedented accomplishment to show up, against a high profile team like Duke at that.
I would be more impressed if we had a sellout in a year when we are mid-pack in the ACC and on the NCAA Tournament bubble. That would be something noteworthy from a Clemson fan perspective.
But again, great support last night. It helped us for sure.
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Re: Yes, coaching was great.
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It’s good to see, but it’s what every other coach does.
Our fans shouldn’t act like we have this great basketball coach when it takes an unprecedented accomplishment to win, against a high profile team like Duke at that.
I would be more impressed if we had great coaching in a year when we are mid-pack in the ACC and on the NCAA Tournament bubble.
But again, great coaching last night. It made it more exciting for sure.
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You people really aren’t very bright.
Jan 15, 2023, 10:38 AM
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You have no concept of nuance or context.
By the way, Jack’s best three years were his first three years. The program was in steady decline under Jack. I know because I ran the numbers on a three-year rolling average. He had two big seasons near the end and both times choked in Omaha to the gamecocks! And it was largely because of his coaching style. His last few seasons were a hot mess!
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Re: Brownell has won 400 games as a college head coach.
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Yep. CBB is the winningest coach in Clemson history. Also lost more games than anyone, too.
If CBB is so great, why have we never seen any indication of it in the last 12 years?
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Re: Brownell has won 400 games as a college head coach.
Jan 15, 2023, 9:08 AM
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Also, please remember, I've defended Brownell, too. But I'm not a sycophant, or "cult member" as JK like to put it for people who support Dabo overmuch.
For example, here's a posting I made from last April:
Well, I've become convinced that it is almost certainly time to find someone who can help Clemson win more games, more consistently. And certainly if next years results are not better.
But there are significant positives for Brownell, nonetheless.
Here's one: first and only Clemson coach to ever win a game at Chapel Hill, breaking an 0-59 streak.
In the last 6 years, his teams have won several post-season games, including making an NCAA Sweet 16 appearance in 2018.
2017 ACC tournament, #12 seed, beat #13 NCSU, then lost to #5 Duke (Duke won tournament).
2018 ACC tournament, #4 seed (double-bye), beat #12 BC, then lost to #1 UVS (UVA won tournament)
2019 ACC tournament, #9 seed lost to #8 seed NCSU 59-58
2020 ACC tournament, #8 seed beat #9 Miami (Brownell became first Clemson coach to end the season with a win, as remaining ACC and NCAA & NIT games were canceled due to COVID)
2021 ACC tournament, #5 seed, lost to #13 Miami
2022 ACC tournament, #10 seed, beat #13 NCSU, then lost to #7 Va Tech (Va Tech won tournament)
2017 NIT #2 seed, first round loss to #7 seed Oakland
2018 NCAA #5 seed made Sweet 16 (beat #12 New Mexico State and #4 Auburn, lost to #1 Kansas [KSU final four])
2019 NIT #2 seed, won 1st round vs #7 Wright State, lost to #6 Witchita State
2020 no post season for anyone (COVID)
2021 NCAA #7 seed, lost to #10 seed Rutgers
2022 did not qualify
Brownell and Clemson represented the US in the 2019 World University games, went 6-0 and won the gold medal.
I cannot remember any disciplinary problems of any significance on Brownell teams. As far as I know, there's not been any allegations of NCAA violations on Brownell teams.
In years past, Clemson got run out of the gym on a regular basis, with 20 or even 30 point losses. I feel the poor record Brownell has in close games overlooks the fact that there are now more close games (but I have not done any analysis to that effect, it just seems that way). Yeah, we have some big losses, but they're not by 30 points anymore and I feel like the team is playing hard every minute of every game rather than giving up like they obviously did in the past.
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I guess we will find out if he forget how to coach next year
Jan 15, 2023, 4:30 PM
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Like he usually does after a good season.
Brownell has averaged a 18-14 record at Clemson and averaged 8th place in the ACC. Not exactly a HOF career.
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Re: This is what good coaching can do for you.
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irst off, I love the positivity about the basketball team.
You’re not slick though Judge. Has your mind changed about Brad and this program, or are you acting like it because you’ve been bashing them up until this run and you know you’re wrong?
And we’re a good team because of talent and chemistry. Proof that we have talent is Hunter Tyson being top 10 in the country in double doubles. We consistently have a 20+ point scorer in every game we play. PJ Hall would be the 2nd best if not the best player on Duke no question. Chase Hunter had an off day, but is obviously a gifted PG. Then the chemistry is what allows us to stay in games when we get in a bad situation and to stay up as well.
So good post of appreciation, but commit to believing in this thing or don’t. I’ll remember this when you bash the basketball team and the delusion all of the fans have about Brad.
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Re: This is what good coaching can do for you.
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Non no no. JK doesn't bash basketball and especially doesn't bash Brownell. Only bashes Dabo and football team. Sows doubt on football coaching, never questions any thing CBB does.
Where was the good coaching when we lost to SCAR and Loyola-Chicago?
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Re: This is what good coaching can do for you.
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^^^^
This imbecile believes that if you have a good coach, you can't have an off game.
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Returning to Columbia from a trip, I remembered the
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game was on, cut on the radio as the second half was underway and nearly drove off the frigging road several times amid the excitement!
LJ sounded raucous, the fans definitely into the game, Munson literally yelling over Tiger scores, and me thinking, "Wow...this is exactly what our program needs!" I know I was into the game hollering above the radio throughout.
A win is a win is a win, which I typically will credit to coaching and dynamic efforts by our team, all aided and abetted by wildly thunderous support from the Clemson faithful. Thus, I salute Coach Brownell, his staff, our fellows and our fans along with good, ole Tiger Band.
What our team needs now is unwavering encouragement from the entire Clemson family. As a long time member, I'll choose to dwell on the "now"....Why? Because negativity defeats the encouragement that's job number 1 for me as a fan right now!
GO TIGERRRRRS! NOW ON TO WAKE AND BEAT THE DEACS!
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Re: This is what good coaching can do for you.
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Brownell getting PJ hall saved his job. Spartanburg product that has turned out to be a legit NBA prospect. There has been a lot of mediocre basketball over the last decade and a lot of Clemson fans have checked out. Just bad recruiting, bad coaching (especially end of game) and I believe laziness on his part. He should have been able to ride the tide of the football program a lot better that he has from a recruiting standpoint. No amount of pumping can change that. We all want Clemson to do well and the administration has given him every opportunity to do so.
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The fact that you believe that a basketball coach should benefit from football success
Jan 15, 2023, 9:34 PM
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tells me all that I need to know.
Basketball players don’t choose a school based on the football program.
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Re: This is what good coaching can do for you.
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Is it our new assistants you think?
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Re: This is what good coaching can do for you.
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So I have refrained from commenting on the BBT due to not wanting to jinx them or honesty waiting for things to go south as they usually do once we get into conference play. Before I get excited/hopes up, let’s see if they can make big splash on 02-11 in Chapel Hill??
GO TIGERS!!!
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Re: This is what good coaching can do for you.
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We've got darn good players! I can't believe you didn't bother to mention Ian Schieffelin's outstanding night! Yes, the coaching is better. A lot of that is due to Graham Neff's increasing the funding for better assistants. I appreciate Coach Brownell's putting it all together, but give credit where it's due.
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I did mention the players.
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They are playing their tails off, and doing it at a high level.
This post was about coaching though. Why isn’t it allowable to praise our coaching?
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Re: This is what good coaching can do for you.
Jan 15, 2023, 7:58 AM
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Nothing less important than the score at halftime. Ask the Jaguars. Ask the Falcons.
Great first half of the season. Let’s see where this team is at the end of the year.
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Re: This is what good coaching can do for you.
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Hahahahaha!!!!
Your posts are always entertaining.
Go Tigers!!!
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Re: This is what good coaching can do for you.
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Isn’t good recruiting part of good coaching? You start off your comment saying he basically isn’t very good at a key aspect of his job.
Congrats to the team! Great win for players and coaches alike!
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Re: This is what good coaching can do for you.
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So I guess losing to Loyola and cox was an example of bad coaching, and had nothing to do with the players
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Re: This is what good coaching can do for you.
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Why hasn't he been doing that for the last 12 years then?
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It's great seeing Brad finally get a better whole out of the
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sum of his parts. Averaging a 76th place finish with the 44th best talent over his past four seasons hasn't exactly screamed overachievement. I had really hoped that bringing in these two older connections of his as assistants would help him rediscover some of the mojo he had prior to his time at Clemson. This seems to be playing out much better than I had hoped.
Is Billy Donlan a Brad whisperer? Sure seems like it. Couldn't have come along at a better time.
Great start to the season for sure, and enjoying every minute of it.
Go Tigers!
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Re: This is what good coaching can do for you.
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I think the fact that they have freshman every year can hurt the blue blood teams some. Yes they have talent but we have veteran players who know the game better and do not just rely on talent. Coaching certainly helps as well as being at home. It was a great win and we are having a great season. Hopefully we keep it up.
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Re: This is what good coaching can do for you.
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I give him credit for our being, so far, the best team in the ACC ( in a down year). Im happy that we beat the dukeees. I'm optimistic that we could win the league this year. Brownell has done what no other Clemson coach has done...beat UNC in the Deaner. Hes had his moments, and so have a lot of our teams over the years. I am Orange through and through. Until we win the tourney, Brownell, and every other Clemson coach, has not completed their "mission". Weve been in the ACC how many years? 70????? And weve never won a tourney? Weve come close, but you like being 2nd, once? Brownell has had successes, he has had his moments, but he needs to put together a comolete season. Until then, the jobs not done
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Re: This is what good coaching can do for you.
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it is nice having an actual front court to match up against a team like Duke. It says a lot when your guards have terrible shooting performance but you still beat a ranked team.
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Re: This is what good coaching can do for you.
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You conveniently left out the fact that 4 of Duke's starting 5 are freshmen while we start 2 graduate students, 2 juniors, and 1 sophomore. Think that possibly had a teensy bit of impact on the outcome?
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Re: This is what good coaching can do for you.
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Not if you put any credence in recruiting rank. If the thing is recruiting 4 and 5 stars you should in the final 4 every year. I keep hearing the ACC is down. On what scale? Not as many ranked? All teams aren’t 15-3? At least 11 of the top 25 lost this week. Maybe more parity than down. I do think Billy Donlan and Lucas McKay have made a world of difference. See PJ Hall.
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Re: This is what good coaching can do for you.
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Brad has been the coach 12+ years. Judge him on the sum of the results over 12+ years. The players on the team change annually.
This win is more about the current players playing their ### off and not some coach.
Have the facilities suddenly improved to account for the recent success? That supposedly has been the missing piece in the past according to you.
Good for the kids playing and I'm happy for Brownell too, but give credit where credit is due. The win was great and Littlejohn was rocking last night over what the players were doing, not over Brownell.
One thing is for certain, barring a total collapse which I don't see coming, Brad's job is secure. He'll probably get a several year extension. Maybe with a successful season, he can begin to recruit at a high level as winning can beget winning.
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Re: This is what good coaching can do for you.
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I think what we are seeing is more about the hire and effects of coach Riley than what Brownlee has done.
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Re: This is what good coaching can do for you.
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I kind of see Clemson basketball, right now... like Wake football in the early 2000s. They arent going to get the 5 star guys so they have to build a team up, get them older, and every 3-4 years they get a squad and go win something. That is what Jim Grobe did at Wake... that is what Brownell does at Clemson. I consider the first season after LJ was rebuilt when you start the clock on Brownell since we were painfully behind before that. His seat was very warm so this is exactly the kind of season he needed... the program needed.
Can he finish the job and build something that higher rated recruits will want to start considering? I hope so.. someone is going to have to take that step if we are ever going to regularly compete...but I am here for it and cheering them on.
Go Tigers
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Re: This is what good coaching can do for you.
Jan 15, 2023, 10:57 AM
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“Beat the most talented team in college basketball “?? Maybe you don’t know as much about hoops as you think you know. But still a nice win at home with a great crowd. Go Tigers!
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Jan 15, 2023, 12:36 PM
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If all those stars mean anything Duke has been the most talented at least the last two years. All of us big brains on here say it’s all about the recruiting. If we were right the current Duke coach should be as good as the last one.
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I’ll give you some props, JK!
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Jan 15, 2023, 1:54 PM
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We can certainly credit coaching when there are plenty of those who have regularly criticized it. My only callout to your initial post would be crediting the staff for bringing Galloway back home. A clear miss in our recruiting a few years ago. He really seems to bring our team together at crucial times.
Brad has lived off the portal in recent years(by necessity) and no doubt the covid year has worked in our favor for Tyson and Galloway.
I really thought losing prosper, Newman, honor and Dawes would have sunk us, but the team is playing great. I wish those guys well, and hope things work out to for them, somewhere else. Credit brad for the recruiting of Schieffelin too! He is another one that has been unjustly called out at times. Obviously by trolls who don’t follow our team regularly.
Here’s to enjoying things! We certainly have all seen great starts and momentum change quickly in the past, but hoping we can exorcise some more demons before this season is over.
Go Tigers!
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HT, I thought, had a good game.
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Jan 15, 2023, 4:33 PM
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Duke did a great job of neutralizing him with tough defense. There were no switches and he was tightly guarded by their best defender all night. Considering, I thought it was an advantage when guys like Middlebrooks and Shief stepped up. Duke had no answer.
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LOL JK gonna JK, just can’t help himself…
Jan 15, 2023, 5:02 PM
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He lacks the self awareness to understand that his vapid CBB support and continually passive aggressive tone about other programs( mainly football) actually hurts his precious. He literally turns people against CBB with his BS.
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Go ahead and check the record
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Jan 15, 2023, 5:14 PM
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No Clemson coach in the history of the program has a better ACC record than Brad Brownell. Go ahead. Check it. In more than 12 years, he is close to .500 in the ACC. Nobody else is even close. At 52-60, OP is the closest. 11 straight regular season wins in the ACC and some of you people are bitching? If that’s your attitude, it will softball season soon. You can go over there and be miserable. And I’m sure when this marvelous run ends — nobody goes undefeated in the ACC — the losers will be back on here screaming Fire! I don’t know what it takes to impress some of you people. CBB has built a program. A program you should be proud of.
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Jan 15, 2023, 5:21 PM
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Tell em’ scok no one knows losing better than you.
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Jan 15, 2023, 5:44 PM
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Why is it every time someone says something folks don’t agree with they are called coot, scok, etc? Is that the best response you can come up with when you are not educated enough to debate the point?
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Jan 15, 2023, 6:02 PM
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Evidently you don’t know the post history of Cobbox. He literally got busted for posting as JstoneD329. Now you’re educated.
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Jan 15, 2023, 6:18 PM
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What does that have to do with calling folks names? Busted? What does that even mean? Hardly anyone uses their real name.
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Jan 15, 2023, 6:26 PM
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He posted under one handle then forgot to log off before posting under his other handle. Get it now stupid?
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Jan 15, 2023, 7:06 PM
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And so your point is that makes him a “coot”? Any number of people may have more than one.
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Jan 15, 2023, 7:29 PM
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How dumb are you? Not 1 time did I call him a coot. Scok means someone that posts under 2 or more handles. If the 1959 part of your handle indicates your age I apologize as that means you’re old and up past your bedtime.
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Jan 15, 2023, 8:51 PM
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So calling him a scok is an argument to his opinion?
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Jan 15, 2023, 6:09 PM
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Bwahahahahahaha
If you enjoy mediocrity, AT BEST, you continue with that thought. I'm tired of us being middle of the pack. As you pointed out, BB is CLOSE to .500. How is that acceptable? 2018 was his best year and we were third. 11-7 in the acc. Won one game in the tourney. This is his 13th year. If he camt figure it out by now, its time to get someone in here who can
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Great win at home, but the TCU/UGA comparison is a little much….
Jan 15, 2023, 6:20 PM
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Duke is really good…but State and Wake also beat them recently. They are not UGA football talent-wise this year.
And this is not the first time we’ve beaten Duke at Littlejohn under Brownell…better Duke teams than this one in some cases.
We are doing great. Long way to go…but could be a really special season.
But not sure the football comparisons are going to get you anywhere. A basketball comparison might be more helpful. Lots of less talented teams beat teams with better recruits more often in basketball. The win over Duke at home type of game is pretty normal in basketball…I think 11 ranked teams lost yesterday.
To me, the 7-0 in conference is the most impressive thing…just because it’s hard to be consistent. In that sense…the hoops team is like the football team…would love for us to win the ACC in both sports!
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Jan 15, 2023, 7:49 PM
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How does anybody TD this ???
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I was at the game yesterday afternoon.
Jan 15, 2023, 8:36 PM
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It was the first basketball game I’ve been to in 40 years (I used to go to all of them when I was a student.)
I’ve always been a fan of all sports at Clemson, not not always a fan of all the coaches. I think it’s time for a change of the head basketball coach, but the team is on a good roll… let’s see how the season ends.
But the main thing that the roll the team is on PROVES is that millions of dollars for coaches and facilities DO NOT *need* to be given to any sports team, basketball included, to improve performance on the field.
Let’s put that failed argument to rest. ?
Go Tigers!
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Re: This is what good coaching can do for you.
Jan 16, 2023, 12:19 AM
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But wait, I thought everyone wanted to FIRE Brownell the past 3 years!?!?
Funny how that changes with a little winning. o_O
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