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Jun 6, 2021, 10:32 PM

United States sent 450,000 tons of ammunition to England to be ready. I just wonder how many rounds of 30-06 and .45's were in that?

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Jun 6, 2021, 10:39 PM

They would be worth a fortune now.

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And if they shipped in wooden crates, that'd be larger than


Jun 7, 2021, 6:42 AM

GDP of Venezuela!

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Jun 6, 2021, 10:44 PM

If you are a lend-lease-aholic like me, here's everything that went through that program. Including several hundred thousand Ford trucks and even a few gold watches. A good read.

http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USA/ref/LL-Ship/index.html


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Jun 6, 2021, 10:50 PM

Trucks Total ea 793,011

1940 would have been a good year to invest in Ford and Studebaker

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What percentage of Americans do you think even know what


Jun 6, 2021, 11:00 PM [ in reply to Re: Just saw a history fact on Discovery...Prior to D Day the ]

Lend-Lease was? I would say less than 10 percent.

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Jun 6, 2021, 11:05 PM

think you're being charitable.

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You may be right. I saw on of those on the street question


Jun 6, 2021, 11:20 PM

and answer deals, and the idiots thought the civil war was between the US and Germany...

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Jun 6, 2021, 11:25 PM

I heard someone on the radio say there were 11 inches in a foot. I can see why the three R's were 'readin, 'riting, and 'rithmatic. History, sadly, must wait till after people know how many inches are in a foot. However, she did know what Kim Kardashian had for lunch earlier that day.

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U gus know they purposely keep asking people until


Jun 7, 2021, 7:32 AM

They find some 1 who gives a stupid answer, right?

Showing 390 people answering the questions correctly is not funny

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Jun 7, 2021, 1:42 AM

Thank you for the post. I love researching information like this. In fact I really enjoy doing research about WW l , WW ll, The Korean War, The Vietnam War, The Gulf Wars and much of the United States military history and facts. I enjoy watching documentaries related to the above topics. This is why I like to read clover65 and other’s about their war experiences.

I have a trivia question?? Who fired the first shot in the Pacific theater in WW ll??

Another interesting fact I discovered doing WW ll research, many of the vehicles the German Army used to get to the Normandy invasion by the allies?? Mostly GM and Ford vehicles. Hitler prevented those two American companies to take their money and go home (USA). Other American companies who supported the Nazi war machine was IBM, Coke, and see the list of top 10 companies who put money before the lives of American Soldiers.

https://www.toptenz.net/top-10-american-companies-that-aided-the-nazis.php


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Jun 7, 2021, 1:57 AM

Right up my ally. Go ahead and add any war in history and I'll have an interest, among other things. In fact, if it involves learning about anything.. science, art, religion, history, I'm for it. I've been trying to toss out a trivia question a day, and since today was DDay it was war related, if you can track it back in the Lounge posts. I'd love to swap trivia questions with you, just to keep the old noggin sharp and learn a few new facts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vY-4zWKsJM

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Re: Just saw a history fact on Discovery...Prior to D Day the


Jun 7, 2021, 2:25 AM

Likewise. The lack of even basic history (I'm not even talking about the exotic stuff we are into) and basic civics is very troubling. Not sure anything can be done but I fear it bodes ill for the future. Have a great week as well and look for me on the main board or lounge!

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Jun 7, 2021, 2:24 AM [ in reply to Re: Just saw a history fact on Discovery...Prior to D Day the ]

Fortunate Son,

anytime you have trivia on the subjects you mentioned I would sincerely be interested. It’s great to find people who enjoy sharing similar subjects. I wish HS’s would teach ypung people more detailed courses on the conflicts the United States has been involved in. They may learn to have more love and respect for their country and our awesome Flag ????! And hopefully more people will realize how much many who served in our Military sacrificed how much they gave for me and so many others who live in this country. Great ending clip.

I hope you have a great week coming up.

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Jun 7, 2021, 2:08 AM [ in reply to Re: Just saw a history fact on Discovery...Prior to D Day the ]

Well, discounting the invasion of Manchuria in 1931, I'll assume you are talking American involvement. And discounting the Panay incident in 1937, I'll wager you are referring to the USS Ward, commanded by Lt Comm. Outerbridge, which of course would be us <img border=">">


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcVnByFS7n8

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Jun 7, 2021, 2:27 AM

Great answer! Not many people would know that. I hope you will share more tibia and interesting facts on Tigernet or by my T-Mail account. You always have very interesting post.

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Jun 7, 2021, 12:40 PM [ in reply to Re: Just saw a history fact on Discovery...Prior to D Day the ]

Watching this and found out there was a Clemson Class Destroyer, something else I never knew.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clemson-class_destroyer

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Jun 7, 2021, 1:40 PM

True but it was named for a yank, not Thomas Green, sadly.

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Jun 7, 2021, 1:42 PM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_A._Clemson

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Jun 7, 2021, 2:15 AM [ in reply to Re: Just saw a history fact on Discovery...Prior to D Day the ]

Man how much would a swastika with the Coke emblem on it be worth today? That is fantastic. Oh yes we were tied in deep. If you dig into the Panay incident you will find that it was escorting 3 Standard Oil tankers into the interior of China. And, Ford had basically franchised truck plants in Russia in the 30's. The economic tendrils are a whole untold story. Charles Lindbergh, of Spirit of St Louis fame, practically vaporized as a public figure because of his support of the Hitler Regime. Lots and lots of juicy stories out there.

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Jun 7, 2021, 2:22 AM

Here ya go!

Soviet Fords and the Gorki
In May 1929 the Soviet Union signed an agreement with the Ford Motor Company. Under its terms, the Soviets agreed to purchase $13 million worth of automobiles and parts, while Ford agreed to give technical assistance until 1938 to construct an integrated automobile-manufacturing plant at Nizhny Novgorod. Many American engineers and skilled auto workers moved to the Soviet Union to work on the plant and its production lines, which was named Gorkovsky Avtomobilny Zavod (GAZ), or Gorki Automotive Plant in 1932. A few American workers stayed on after the plant's completion, and eventually became victims of Stalin's Great Terror, either shot or exiled to Soviet gulags. In 1933, the Soviets completed construction on a production line for the Ford Model-A passenger car, called the GAZ-A, and a light truck, the GAZ-AA. Both these Ford models were immediately adopted for military use. By the late 1930s production at Gorki was 80,000-90,000 "Russian Ford" vehicles per year. With its original Ford-designed vehicles supplemented by imports and domestic copies of imported equipment, the Gorki operations eventually produced a range of automobiles, trucks, and military vehicles.



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Jun 7, 2021, 2:50 AM

That was a great post. As much research as I have done about WW ll I did not know these facts you posted. I knew we helped the Soviets a lot during and before WWll but this is new and interesting information.

You know what is really strange it seems like most every country we have helped the end up our adversary. We helped The Soviet Union, China and Ho Chi Minh (Vietnam). Now China especially is interested in the demise of the US.

Thanks for the post my TigerNet Friend.

Thanks for sharing.

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Jun 7, 2021, 3:40 AM

When we have the time we can chat more. It has taken a lot of reading between the lines and and other perspectives, but once you break out of the Western prism man does the world look different. I'll give you two examples. In Russia, WW2 is simply known as the Great Patriotic War. To them, everything else was a sideshow. Why? Well, first this:

x = British Casualties in WW2
x = French Casualties in WW2
x = American Casualties in WW2
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx = Russian Casualties in WW2

Each x is half a million men. That's a 54-1 ratio. 27 million vs half a million. So when you talk sacrifice to them, it means something a little different. And those loses were AFTER the purges of the 30's. I've got a buddy who told me that if you were born between 1920-1923 in Russia and lived, you basically had no peers. That entire segment of the population was virtually wiped out. And that was after we invaded them in 1919 and supported the Whites.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_intervention_in_the_Russian_Civil_War Naturally, the Reds weren't very happy with us about that.

Then there's the scale of the Russian Invasion. If you overlaid the German invasion of Russia over an American map, it would look like this. 3 million Germans invaded the entire length of the Atlantic seaboard, from Maine to Florida. In 6 months, they capture everything up to Denver (Moscow), which was only saved by weather and by railing in troops from Los Angeles (Siberia). That's every city, every town, every factory (except the ones you sent to Utah) The next year, they invade New Mexico (Caucaucus) to try and get the oil, but are defeated at the Battle of El Paso (Stalingrad). Then over the next 3 years, you push them back to Washington (Berlin) and finally win your country back. Each year from 1941-1945 there was a battle with more than a million men on each side. The battle of Moscow was as big as the state of Connecticut. The Campaign for Stalingrad was as big as the state of Florida. I mean, the scale in both space and men is virtually unimaginable. It's getting late so I'll have leave you with that teaser till next time. But I'm looking forward to it! <img border=
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Jun 7, 2021, 5:10 AM

I am looking forward to further conversations about our Nation’s history. I will send you a T-mail with my personal contact information.

Great post by you on this thread!

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I think Roosevelt delayed our entry in the war so that the


Jun 7, 2021, 7:30 AM [ in reply to Re: Just saw a history fact on Discovery...Prior to D Day the ]

Russians and Germans could kill as many of each other as possible before we risked our boys lives.

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Jun 7, 2021, 11:03 AM

Well, truth be told, he was trying like h#$% to get us into the war, sending illegal supplies to britain, dangling our pacific fleet out like bait for the Japanese, everything he could think of. In my mind, the critical period of the war was Dec 1941, not because of pearl, but because of the Battle of Moscow. Once russia saved herself, it was just a matter of how long the road back would be 2,3,4 years, whatever.

I don't view us as saving Europe from Nazis. The Russians did that. We saved Europe from Russia. We just had to get through the Nazis to do it, before they rolled right into France.

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Jun 7, 2021, 7:02 AM [ in reply to Re: Just saw a history fact on Discovery...Prior to D Day the ]

Ever think about how many American Companies are doing business with the Chinese Communist Party today. Granted we aren't in a shooting war with the Chinese (at least not yet) but we also weren't in a shooting war with the Nazis when a lot of US companies were dealing with them in the 1930's.

The truth of the matter is that the ideology of the CCP is just as bad and even more murderous than Hitler's Nazi Party. What's worse is that we have 70+ years of observing the CCP with a clear understanding that the CCP has murdered some 65 million people over that time in order to build and maintain their special brand of tyranny. Yet nearly every US industry is sucking up to the Chicoms - everyone wants a piece of that Chinese market even if it requires turning over company intellectual property to the Chicoms in order to get it. Heck - big tech is even willing to create special versions of their software to help the CCP lock down and spy on their people while Hollywood and the NBA will have no problem leaving their "woke" morals on the US West Coast in order to appease the CCP government.

So where is the moral outrage from the American people? How can we just sit idly by while American Companies cozy up to such a tyrannical and murderous regime? I guess our morals are somewhat flexible too so long as we are getting cheaply made crap out of China even if it is slowly destroying us...

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Jun 7, 2021, 10:49 AM

tabbyplague,

You are 110% correct. American Corporate Greed has been responsible for so many American Soldiers death and severe injuries all for the sake of cheap labor, politicians selling this country out to some of the worst countries in the world (China, Russia, Middle Eastern and Asian countries to) all for the sake of the almighty dollar. An some extra money in their pockets. It’s really sad that the United States has allowed big tech and other big corporations to sale its out its own Citizens and its soul to the devil himself for $$$$$! President Trump tried to even the trade agreements with China and other countries to give the American workers a chance to rebuild this country’s manufacturing foundation. The CCP’s goal is the destruction of the United States at any cost.

I watched a documentary where they projected computer simulated wars between China and the US, Russia against the US and China / Russia together against the US. We come out on top every time, Thank God. But they will keep trying to defeat us. This is why our Military must be the best in the world. This is why we must stop giving the CCP and Russia some of our high tech secrets and high tech information.

I don’t know if it’s been proven as 100% fact yet but it has been reported by NewsMax and other more trustworthy media sources that it appears the CCP purposely let Covid out of the laboratory to weaken a strong US economy under President Trump.

When Sam Walton was still running Walmart he was big on buying American Products. There were signs throughout the store American Made with Pride. His kids took over and are killing the Golden Goose in the US. I might be wrong but seems like I heard that Walmart was bigger in China than in the US. Sometimes I just do without some products unless they made in the USA!

Your post hit the bullseye! People would rather buy cheap crap from foreign markets then support their own country’s products. You can find many products made in the USA but you have to search for them. They may cost more but I look at it as an investment in a great Stock! And in the future survival of our country.

Will American Greed be our downfall?? Look what big money is doing to college sports!!!

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Jun 7, 2021, 11:24 AM

Here's the sad truth guys. It's always been this way. Money first, patriotism second. The last time the us military defended us soil was WW2, on a few islands. What is does is defend US INTERESTS, around the world. That is, US business, around the world. Here's a guy who saw it personally. He was the highest ranking Marine prior to WW2. He won the Medal of Honor TWICE for service to his country.

"I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer; a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the ###### of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902–1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents." - Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

That is straight from the horse's mouth. It's all about the money, always. And the ones who pay the price are the patriots.

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Jun 7, 2021, 1:33 PM

Thank you Fortunate Son for your service and sacrifice for our country. You and many other’s are heroes IMO . But as most military personnel will say, the real heroes are the ones who never came home alive. They gave their All! It brings tears to my eyes watching some of the documentaries where it shows so many American soldiers becoming casualty’s of war. Some not making a recovery from their injuries. May God Bless their souls and their families. May God Bless people like you who did serve but came home to tell us the real truth!

You are all heroes to me. I am so grateful for people like you who served our country with honor!

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Jun 7, 2021, 1:56 PM

No, don't thank me. I'm just a civvy. But I am a black sheep. My whole family, on both sides, are military. Almost half of the guys went to the Citadel. 3 uncles who went to Korea, Grandfather in WW2, Father-in-law a colonel, father in Vietnam, cousins, on and on and on. My dad got shot through the heart in Vietnam but survived, and was very, very bitter for the rest of his life about everything related to that war. He told me "if you voluntarily sign up for what I got drafted into, and put your mom and me through the same same %%$$ my parents went through, I'll kill you." I'm pretty sure he was joking...at least I think he was. But as angry as he was he might have been serious. So I went the civilian route. I'm no hero. Just an average guy with enormous respect for those who have and are serving, voluntarily or not.

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Jun 7, 2021, 11:13 AM [ in reply to Re: Just saw a history fact on Discovery...Prior to D Day the ]

It's not the first time. Our relationship with Japan was just as bad in the 1930's. Japan was basically our dog on a leash. They were only ever going to be as big as we let them be. As an island about the size of California with no resources whatsoever, WE sold them everything they ever fired back at us. During the 30's we sold Japan 90% of their oil and 75% of their scrap iron. That's where their military came from, us. Now, it was trained by the british and the french, at different times, but the materials came from right here. There is no way they could have sustained a war in China without Oklahoma and California crude. In fact, I've got newspaper articles/editorials from the 30's (digital), where the Chinese are BEGGING us to stop selling them oil. Which, when we needed them to get us into Europe, we did. But not one day before.

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Jun 7, 2021, 10:18 AM [ in reply to Re: Just saw a history fact on Discovery...Prior to D Day the ]

That picture seems kinda suspect to me. Why would a coke emblem intended to cater to German customers be written in English with US currency?

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Jun 7, 2021, 2:30 PM

Nah it's legit. Schwaab stamp company in Milwaulkee made it in 1925. Check the lower left corner in the pic. I don't know WHY they made it, but the nazi party started in 1920 so maybe there were some german sympathizers in the breweries of Milwaulkee. I know there were a lot of Communists over here pushing ideology at that time as well. Maybe Schwabb was just making a buck catering to any political group that would buy their trinkets.

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Jun 7, 2021, 6:27 AM

You may know about this already? Heddy Lamar, the actress, and to me one of the most beautiful women that ever lived, along with Grace Kelly. Getting off the subject! Look up Heddy Lamar and read of her accomplishments and her war effort. Amazing woman! When thinking of her, I start laughing and remembering Harvey Korman’s character in Blazing Saddles. The character’s name was “Hedley Lamar.” Thanks for the information.

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Jun 7, 2021, 6:59 AM

I'm just glad Joe wasn't President ;He probably would have sent them Civil War era minnie -balls.
(And yes I know this isn't a political board ,but I do wonder if he even knew what yesterday was).

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Jun 7, 2021, 7:13 AM

Interesting era of history. My dad was flying missions in B24's from Italy and mom worked in the office at Oak Ridge. Both were engaged to others prewar, those relationships didnt work out post war, and they found each other and married.

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Jun 7, 2021, 7:14 AM

to clarify he was a gunner not a pilot

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That is okay. He was in the plane, fighting a 70 percent


Jun 7, 2021, 11:19 AM

chance he would not survive! I believe I am correct on that...

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Jun 7, 2021, 2:09 PM [ in reply to Re: Just saw a history fact on Discovery...Prior to D Day the ]

Oak Ridge is incredible. Saw it for the first time about 2 years ago. That place is enormous. Like SRP big. The joke they told us there was that in the 1940s a Congressman from Tennessee was on the appropriations committee. The military was trying to decide what state to put the plant and the 4 billion dollars of construction in. The congressman said, "4 billion dollars? Well in what part of Tennessee would you like to put this thing?" And that was that.

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