It's happening as I have suggested for years. It is a slow process so it takes a wide aperture, but the left is dumbing down the USA. I saw it with democratic majority school boards when my kids were in public schools (all of them went to public schools). The left's rhetoric and their need to throw out logic in favor of stupid woke ideas is one of the root causes.
If you pay attention, it's the same story across the nation. These woke-a$$ school board progressives want to bus students far too long a distance to get the 'mix' right (removing any chance for parental involvement) and their policies are laser focused on bringing up the bottom while they delete programs to challenge top performers. Why? Because of their dumb-a$$ woke perspectives (CRT, white supremacy, victimhood, etc.).
In addition to all that, they are essentially passing everyone no matter what (making it impossible to fail) while inflating grades across the board. Their policies are failing to actually educate kids, borne out in test scores, so they compensate by inflating grades which inflates graduation rates.
The pandemic might be the cause of some of the downturn, but make no mistake public education is headed down. The left exacerbated problems with their school shutdowns and mask mandates.
Meanwhile private schools will be the place to get a real education unencumbered by failing woke ideas that allow kids to rule the roost in every grade, and especially in middle and high-schools. The progressives have essentially eliminated discipline - the kids know they are untouchable.
NC students drop to historic lows on national tests. Two decades of gains were lost.
North Carolina students performed the worst they’ve done in more than 20 years on national tests of reading and math performance — showing how much achievement has declined since the
Great. I just was doing two things at once and there was an auto-correct issue and I didn't pay attention. That said, you're probably one of the dumber dudes on here. Definitely one of the most ignorant. I don't know if you should be questioning anything. Hopefully you figured it out nonetheless.
Mouse, nice spin. LOL I'd bet you did indeed fail English!! It's sooooo obvious! Just try harder. Are you pushing to displace Birm as the Grand VI? Hey, I'll vote for you, for sure. Congrats.
I won't call MAGA folks "the right", because, in general, they aren't conservative by definition...they aren't really anything other than opposed to whatever certain people believe and for whatever certain other people believe or tell them to believe.
Anyways, there is an equal amount of "dumb" and "dumbing down" coming from MAGA as there is from "the left".
when have I ever pasted in a reply using "big words" from someone else?
Second...is your question really a serious one?
Off the top of my head examples MAGA-based dumbing down (not "the right" as I mentioned above):
Promoting the idea that there are alternate "facts"...that anyone or any institution that says something not aligned with what Trump says is "fake news" or "deep state". The promotion of the slow and steady distrust of critical institutions of government and society, largely based on made-up or severely twisted takes on issues of import. From the very beginning:
"no that crowd at inauguration was huge...don't believe the 30 different pictures showing the small crowd because it's all fake news...all of it"
Backing leaders that are idiots only because they bow to the leader and kiss the ring. Look no further than GA for 2 example is Walker and Greene.
Look at the number of talking heads celebrated and supported by MAGA that clearly are making up "facts" and purposefully misleading their listeners/followers for financial and political gain. Their listeners get dumber by the day.
Want a specific policy? Federal ban on abortion...right after the rationale (and correctly I might add) was that it is an issue to be settle by the States. There is no politically conservative ideology there. Just pure Machiavelli. (sorry that's a big word)
"The promotion of the slow and steady distrust of critical institutions of government and society"
like the left does with the Supreme Court, with the filibuster, calling 2016 and prior elections illegitimate? Why not call into question weaponization of the FBI and DOJ when that is exactly what has happened? Heck no, neither of these agencies should be trusted - ditto with the IRS. But, this has nothing to do with educating kids.
"no that crowd at inauguration was huge...don't believe the 30 different pictures showing the small crowd because it's all fake news...all of it"
How many people attended the J6 rally? Any idea or estimate? Must have been close to 100,000 or more, but MSM won't say. Two close relatives attended, and I was in DC, staying in Alexandria. The hotel was 100% full of people going to the rally. People were shoulder to shoulder down several streets. To suggest attendance was thousands or 10,000 is an outright lie. You see, I know and cite specifics. You don't.
How many people took part in the Jan. 6 Capitol riot? How many were arrested? How long did Trump speak before the insurrection? The answers readers need to know.
Backing leaders that are idiots only because they bow to the leader and kiss the ring. Look no further than GA for 2 example is Walker and Greene.
But, all you know is your phone tells you these two are idiots. You have no personal knowledge of details and specifics.
Want a specific policy? Federal ban on abortion...right after the rationale (and correctly I might add) was that it is an issue to be settle by the States. There is no politically conservative ideology there. Just pure Machiavelli. (sorry that's a big word)
There is no federal ban on abortion nor is there any proposal by the right that has a chance to pass on this topic. This is a made up issue by the left. Lindsey Graham says one sentence that's stupid on this topic and the left turns it into something it isn't.
But again, how does abortion relate to dumbing down kids and the education system?
for thinking you might be up to/capable of reasonable debate.
I'll reply to a bit of what you said:
"But, all you know is your phone tells you these two are idiots. You have no personal knowledge of details and specifics."
I'm not sure who you have me confused with, but I know Walker and WTG are unfit for office based on what they say and do....not from "what my phone tells me". Are you really asking for examples on these 2?
"How many people attended the J6 rally? Any idea or estimate? Must have been close to 100,000 or more, but MSM won't say. Two close relatives attended, and I was in DC, staying in Alexandria. The hotel was 100% full of people going to the rally. People were shoulder to shoulder down several streets. To suggest attendance was thousands or 10,000 is an outright lie. You see, I know and cite specifics. You don't."
I was making a point that right out of the gate Trump started lying and making up his own "facts". How in the world do you lead in to the Jan 6 rally? Not to mention that also did not cite any specifics. "Must have been close to 100,000 or more" is the opposite of "specific".
"There is no federal ban on abortion nor is there any proposal by the right that has a chance to pass on this topic. This is a made up issue by the left. Lindsey Graham says one sentence that's stupid on this topic and the left turns it into something it isn't."
I believe you may be the one repeating things you read on your phone. It's called the Protecting Pain-Capable Unborn Children from Late-Term Abortions Act. Here is the link:
Is that what you categorize as Lindsey Graham saying one stupid sentence? And the point is the dumbing down of the public...and this is a great example of it in my opinion. The dumbing down of the Constitution and civics in general. "It's a states rights issue"..."here is a bill proposing a federal law". And the followers lap it up...critical thinking be ######.
HD projectors. Not the gadgets. Not the sports facilities. Not the fancy buildings and campus. I'd start with teachers. They're all young and hawt now for a very good reason.
The process works like this. Woman gets good grades in high school. Goes to college. Gets a degree (or even an advanced degree) in teaching. Gets out, goes into a classroom, and teaches. Save the world, moral values, shape the future, idealism at play. Meanwhile, this "teacher" has never worked a real job in the private sector. They're hawt because in college she landed a guy from a wealthy family who has a good job. Teacher doesn't NEED the money, but teaches for the love of the children and to help future generations. Meanwhile, the teacher is paid less than in the past (adjusted), and is micromanaged by administrators to meet state standards instead of school or class standards.
Standards have also dropped at private schools, because they're hot on the trend as well. Private schools used to plow money into teachers, gave them freedom to teach, and didn't micromanage curriculum or teach to standards. Today even private schools are spending lavishly on buildings, technology, campuses, athletic facilities, etc. So the teachers in private schools are coming more and more from this trophy-wife, highly educated altruistic/idealistic type, and this type does not do as well teaching as the old, mean, single teachers of decades past.
I had maybe 2 teachers (before college) who would be considered a 5 or above. The rest were sub-5's, over 40, mean...... And they were EXCELLENT teachers.
It's probably still hard to get quality public school teachers to not see their lack of pay as a hindrance, especially in areas that are costly. I have known numerous that have changed careers or went to private schools due to the lack of pay. It's pretty common in certain area where the cost of living is high. High stress and no pay to make the stress worth it.
I need to request a transfer. I work in a school and there's probably only 3-4 hawt teachers in this entire building. Most of them are like the rest of America and extremely over-weight. We did have one really hawt secretary, but she transferred out at the end of last year.
when was the last time you did algebra at work. Am I right? Biology and gender are two different subject that have nothing to do with each other. Gender is important and biology is not.
One of my kids was in the IB program. They canceled it because it was not fair to students that were not in IB.
Neal's experience is common. They cut the International Baccalaureate (IB) program. Too expensive to make good kids better, when we gotta buy some new projectors. Tig has good points too. Too much emphasis on technology and too many lazy teachers that want to show the same PowerPoints they showed last time.
Learning is hard work.
We as a country are too fat and happy to do a lot of hard work. That may change in the next decade or two.
They cut the IB? That's sad. I was in the second class of IB in Greenville County. I was taking college-level courses and getting college credit...in 11th grade.
Definitely wasn't for everybody - heck, it ended up not being for me, I switched over to Fine Arts center for afternoons my senior year because I hated the workload and I wanted to work nights, build my car - I had a Firebird I was constantly tinkering with - and play sports and there was just going to be no time for that with what they had planned for me - but I did wind up way ahead in college thanks to those classes.
How is it "unfair" to regular students, anyhow? It wasn't like there was a horde of regular students lining up to do 3-4 hours of homework a night.
Re: Cuts public school funding year after year after year.
Oct 26, 2022, 9:43 AM
Terrible pay for teachers, stupid parents, two parents working both working and not enough time for kids. Then you add the time we waste teaching children about nonsense and it's a mess. Now these kids have also missed a couple of years basically.
as the husband of a public school teacher, I can assure you that is not the reason teachers quit. Bureaucracy and paper work and the inability for administration and the school boards to control the kids is what is driving most teachers away. Good teachers love children and love to teach. Yes, they want to get paid well, but that is not the driving factor. Teachers want to teach in an environment that facilitates learning.
Kemp in Georgia has done a good job in the last few years giving raises and bonuses for teachers. Unfortunately in the school district we live in, there is a ton of waste with the local school board.
Mom/sister both teachers. Of course everybody wants a bigger paycheck, but teachers are leaving in droves because they're getting burned out between the bureaucratic busy work, lack of admin support, and awful kids.
Higher wages my limit attrition, but we all know at some point the paycheck stops being a salve for terrible working conditions.
The point of what? The OP posts about test scores going down. 19B says its because of cuts in funding...teachers are needing more money. My argument is that salaries are not the main reason teachers are quitting.
Obviously, the go-to "solution" for any problem in any sector of life is more money. But if we are honest, throwing money at things doesn't always fix the problems (not just education). Stewardship of that money is the most important thing. For example, I think most of us know people who make a lot of money and are broke as well as people who don't make much but always have money.
I've been looking for information about cutting public school funding. Much of it old data. Most of it is not specific as to how money is being spent. I am open to more information. I did find this.
According to new Annual Survey of School System Finances tables, per pupil spending for elementary and secondary public education increased by 5.0%.
The point is, it is not sufficient to blame the failure on of the public schools completely on lack of money. Are we allowed to even talk about other possibilities? Did shutting the schools down have anything to do with it? Length of time down? Spending too much time on non-essentially topics that take away from literacy and math skills? Attitude of students and parents? Parental involvement? Money allocated to the wrong things?
The biggest thing my wife talks about is not the lack of administrative support in the schools. She has worked for two very good principals. She complains about: 1) Parents that are uninvolved and do not return messages 2) Entitled parents with a chip on their shoulder whose children reflect the same attitude in the classroom 3) Idiotic policies and waste coming from the district office of bureaucrats.
Re: I think it was last week, but you were on here...
Oct 27, 2022, 8:10 AM
Come on, Man! Really? I said "Harvard should be shut down" due to their wokeness. I do not expect anyone, especially the government, to shut them down. If you take those types of statements that way, I think I understand why you believe anyone cutting Trump any slack at all is a member of the Proud Boys with a KKK hat in their trunk and a poster of Tim McVeigh on the wall.
Sheesh.
And, obviously the context of the discussion is not public vs. private college. We are talking K-12 here.
The people who did the Neilson ratings to be imprisoned, calling for such an authoritarian measure like shutting down Harvard would be on-brand for you.
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