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ESPN says the entire ACC rides on Clemson beating
Sep 21, 2022, 1:02 PM
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Wake Forest this weekend.
Obviously a loss to Wake would likely take us any playoff contention, but the further is that it takes the entire ACC out of it.
They also say that unlike some other teams Clemson's schedule has weakened with Notre Dame, Miami, and Carolina not being what people thought they would be so if Wake beats us there is no chance of redemption by winning out in a strong schedule.
Might not be unreasonable. What do Y'All think?
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Re: ESPN says the entire ACC rides on Clemson beating
Sep 21, 2022, 1:05 PM
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I believe we will have to be undefeated to get in the playoffs. Earlier in the year I thought we could still get in at 11-1 with a close loss at ND but the way the Irish are playing we probably need to win that one to get in too.
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Re: ESPN says the entire ACC rides on Clemson beating
Sep 21, 2022, 1:09 PM
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I agree.
Do you remember when the NCAA tried to change the rules so the really good teams would not feel the need to run up the score just to make an emphasis about how good they were? Such is the basis for and opinion oriented ranking system. AP reporters already don't like Clemson a whole lot so with a weak schedule Clemson may have to do more than just be undefeated. They will likely need to win with exclamation points on the wins.
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Re: ESPN says the entire ACC rides on Clemson beating
Sep 21, 2022, 1:21 PM
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I do remember the change but I disagree with your point. If we go 12-0 we will be in the playoffs. As someone said the other day, if we go 12-0 no one on the playoff committee will care or maybe even remember how many points we beat LA Tech by.
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Re: ESPN says the entire ACC rides on Clemson beating
Sep 21, 2022, 1:25 PM
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I wouldn't be so sure. If UA, UGA, OSU and UM all get to the conference playoffs undefeated and play a real strong, but close games, I can still see pressure to take Bama and UGA. Then if Ohio State and Michigan do the same, you'll hear the weak ACC chatter and how great the SEC and Big10 are. After all, that's where the big TV contracts are, so they would love an all SEC/BIG10 playoff. It wouldn't be fair, but it sure would be popular.
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Re: ESPN says the entire ACC rides on Clemson beating
Sep 21, 2022, 3:25 PM
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IF we go 13-0 with a conference championship, we are in like Flynn. Of course, that is a big if.
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Re: ESPN says the entire ACC rides on Clemson beating
Sep 21, 2022, 4:07 PM
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I dont know if I misunderstand you, but OSU and Mich play each other the last regular season game. They cannot meet in the conf championship as they are in the same division. I think that Washington beating MSU and WSU beating Wisconsin will really end up harming the B1G when it comes to conference strength perception. I dont think WF stands a chance against Clemson. So this is a moo point. I also dont think Syracuse is that good. I know they beat Purdue, and I didnt watch that game, but I have seen it described as Purdue snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Syracuse has yet to beat a team with a winning record as Purdue is 1-2, Louisville is 1-2, and UConn is 1-3. Maybe I am totally wrong. Time will tell.
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Re: ESPN says the entire ACC rides on Clemson beating
Sep 21, 2022, 10:26 PM
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I wouldn’t rule out Southern Cal or Oklahoma either. There will be pressure to bring in some new blood for that 4th spot.
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No way, no how.
Sep 22, 2022, 9:14 AM
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A undefeated Clemson team currently ranked 5th would vault anyone above us who loses, whether that be the loser of the OSU and Mich game (out of conf championship) or Alabama and UGA, assuming they play.
No way, no how.
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Re: ESPN says the entire ACC rides on Clemson beating
Sep 21, 2022, 3:29 PM
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NCAA didn’t make the change regarding point differential. BCS and/or CFP folks did - both of which are not part of NCAA.
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Re: ESPN says the entire ACC rides on Clemson beating
Sep 21, 2022, 1:07 PM
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Syracuse stays healthy they will be tough.
They have a gritty team with good WRs and QB
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Re: ESPN says the entire ACC rides on Clemson beating
Sep 21, 2022, 1:10 PM
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I think there is a good chance that a loss at Wake would finish us as far as the playoff.
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1 loss Clemson gets into the CFP. Period.
Sep 21, 2022, 1:13 PM
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Do we have to go through this every season w/ ESECPN ??
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Only if we still win the ACC
Sep 21, 2022, 1:16 PM
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No one-loss ACC team will get in without being conference champs.
I hate it, but it’s the truth.
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This OP is about losing to Wake this w/e scenario.***
Sep 21, 2022, 1:28 PM
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Re: 1 loss Clemson gets into the CFP. Period.
Sep 22, 2022, 6:53 AM
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Hold on there. If we don’t beat Wake Forest and don’t win the ACC championship, we won’t go to the playoffs, if Wake Forest is undefeated. NOW WAY they take two ACC teams.
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Re: ESPN says the entire ACC rides on Clemson beating
Sep 21, 2022, 1:14 PM
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Syracuse might be tough for sure. Seems to me that every game for Clemson needs a big win this year if they are going to stay in the playoff hunt.
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Just goes to show how much pocket pool ESPN plays with the
Sep 21, 2022, 1:14 PM
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SEC. If Wake, or Nancy's Tate, or FSU runs the table and winds up as an undefeated ACC Champion, would they really get left out of the playoffs?
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Re: Just goes to show how much pocket pool ESPN plays with the
Sep 21, 2022, 3:50 PM
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Probably.
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Not necessarily....
Sep 21, 2022, 1:14 PM
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They are looking at thing in a vacuum. It would all depend on what all the other teams do for the rest of the season. Sure, based on what we have seen through 3 games - that is what it looks like now; but if we are able to still win ACC (not really likely if we lose to WF, but possible) and the other Teams we are being considered against have lost 2 games and didn't win the conference, it would still be possible. But would also need to pass the "eye" test as well (which we did not do last year).
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Re: Not necessarily....
Sep 21, 2022, 1:18 PM
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No 10-3 team passes the eye test!
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Re: Not necessarily....
Sep 21, 2022, 1:24 PM
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Could have easily been 12-1, but still didn't pass eye test. My point is that when we had DW and lost games (Syracuse and Pitt) and were put through, we looked great against most of the competition - blowing most teams out.
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ESPN is a joke.***
Sep 21, 2022, 1:17 PM
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Maybe so, but doesn't make this untrue.***
Sep 22, 2022, 8:52 AM
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Re: ESPN says the entire ACC rides on Clemson beating
Sep 21, 2022, 1:19 PM
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Still too early to say. It's a long season and, as always, there will be unexpected twists and turns.
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It's a fair statement, given the current sitution
Sep 21, 2022, 1:25 PM
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Now, if Clemson lost to the Deacs (which is not going to happen -- Gee-Haw'd!) then ran the table to finish 12-1, our fate would hinge on the other big dogs. Oklahoma losing to Kansas (or Iowa State again), Michigan or Ohio State faltering, heck Bama stumbling against Auburn could alter the late-season landscape.
I'm expecting the BB Heads to climb in the rankings, and by the ACC championship, whoever we play will be ranked. Given that, we'd be in the conversation. But let's just slam the door on the Deacs and make the question moot.
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depends on Southern Cal, Oklahoma, Ohio State, Michigan
Sep 21, 2022, 1:29 PM
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Penn St. probably a few others. I think if we have a bunch of 1 loss teams, Clemson is behind most of the "name recognition schools" because of our schedule and I think a desire for new blood in the playoffs.
So we probably are out with one loss at this point because I think there are going to be a lot of 1 loss teams this year.
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Re: ESPN says the entire ACC rides on Clemson beating
Sep 21, 2022, 1:31 PM
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ESPN already angling to get three SEC teams in the playoffs. Once we lose the ACC is out, at least that's what they want.
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Re: ESPN says the entire ACC rides on Clemson beating
Sep 21, 2022, 1:35 PM
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Let’s try this…. Post ANY story by ESECPN, where ESECPN is positive about Clemson or the ACC.
Just one positive story. THAT would be news.
The continuing saga of ESECPN trashing Clemson and the ACC IS NOT news. It’s ESECPN’s corporate policy. It has been ESECPN’s corporate policy for years. Find me the ESECPN lackey that breaks ESECPN’s corporate policy.
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If we can’t beat Wake, we don’t deserve a playoff
Sep 21, 2022, 1:53 PM
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birth.
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Re: ESPN says the entire ACC rides on Clemson beating
Sep 21, 2022, 3:09 PM
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i also believe clemson is under the microscope how they perform every week, if clemson does go undefeated there is high probability they still won't get in because its the eye test that is being pushed every single week. if Ga and Bama(regular season) , osu, usc, oklahoma, clemson all go undefeated after their conference championships, its my belief that the one loss Sec will get in and one of the undefeated teams will be left out, if you don't believe it, wait and see , cause right now Bama and Georgia are the two strongest and everyone wants to see them in the playoffs, i also believe Ga may be the undefeated sec team, you think bama will be left out with one loss, i don't just my opinion,
Clemson needs to have good games and impress the voters for sure
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Clemson's climbed to the echelons of college ball ...
Sep 21, 2022, 3:41 PM
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But Clemson does not have the financial/conference cachet of the big boys. There is a 1A class of college football, and Clemson is a 1B. We are a 1st alternate if 1A fails to reach the finish line. 1A Schools: Ohio State, Alabama, UGA, Texas, USC, Notre Dame. Based on the number of alums, the size of the fan bases, and national/regional viewership ratings, these schools are network preferences for the playoffs. Michigan, Clemson, Oklahoma and a handful more of SEC schools, when capable, are next tier.
Our Tigers have been a great Cinderella story, but there's nothing new here. An undefeated Clemson will be hard to keep out. But a one-loss Clemson will be behind the 1A schools if all have one loss. `
Changing gears, ESPN has shown a tendency to pump the SEC, and belittle Clemson. Paul Finebaum and eSECpn videos should be Exhibit 1 if Clemson seeks to make a case of ESPN's preference for the SEC over ACC (for contract release) when the the network supposedly has contracts to support both leagues. But if Clemson desires a landing in the SEC, this approach is tricky. It would work better if B1G landing was the goal.
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What does the financial status of a school have to do
Sep 22, 2022, 9:24 AM
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with getting in the playoffs?
The B1G will not get two teams in. No way that happens.
The SEC could get two in, but only if Alabama and UGA are undefeated and play in a close SEC championship.
Revenue of a school has nothing to with it and conference only matters when it's the SEC. I'm not buying your 1A and 1B analogy. An undefeated conference champion, Clemson, IS IN the playoffs. It's also possible a 1-loss Clemson with a conference crown could get in above non-conference champions. We have the pedigree and rep, and that's why we're 5th right now. We're "1A" as far as playoff pecking order.
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Re: ESPN says the entire ACC rides on Clemson beating
Sep 22, 2022, 9:07 AM
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THEY KNOW WE WILL BEAT WAKE FOREST!
It's just there way of making it look like they "lit a fire" so they can take the credit away from how Dabo & our coaches have developed the team YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR.
They don't want to acknowledge or confess that they continuously make much ado about nothing constantly concerning Clemson at the beginning of EVERY SEASON.
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Re: ESPN says the entire ACC rides on Clemson beating
Sep 22, 2022, 9:32 AM
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I say i definitely agree with he last part. South Carolina sucks! They are probably the 10th best team in the Carolina’s. Clemson, nc state, North Carolina, app state, Wake, Duke, ECU, furman, and the Citadel are better. Probably will add Charlotte and South Carolina state to the list in the next 2 weeks.
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Re: ESPN says the entire ACC rides on Clemson beating
Sep 22, 2022, 9:56 AM
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It’s a different year this year. With USCw being good they create extra added pressure. There is a chance the winner of Bama/UGA, Mich/OSU, OU, and USCw are all undefeated. That’s 4 teams right there, and I’m sure ESPN will be heavily lobbying to get that LA market interested in the CFP.
The good thing is I think ultimately Clemson would squeak in, but idk why everyone thinks it’s gonna be a win and your win guarantee this year.
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Re: ESPN says the entire ACC rides on Clemson beating
Sep 22, 2022, 10:08 AM
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No ACC team would be left out if they go 13-0 with an ACC title. There would be maybe 1 other unbeaten, probably Georgia or Alabama. Ohio State possibly could run the table. Nobody from the Pac 12 or Big 12 will go unbeaten. The ACC Atlantic is pretty much the only shot to represent the ACC in the CFP now and if Clemson, State, Wake, FSU and Syracuse keep playing well the winner will have a very strong SOS.
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Re: ESPN says the entire ACC rides on Clemson beating
Sep 22, 2022, 12:11 PM
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I mean USC and OU have as good of a chance as Clemson to run the table. I don’t see why this is improbable.
SEC and B1G are a lock especially if it’s the winner of Bama/UGA and Mich/OSU.
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Re: ESPN says the entire ACC rides on Clemson beating
Sep 22, 2022, 10:20 AM
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Unfortunately it's true - we have to go undefeated or will not get in this year
Too many other good teams with NIL players
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Re: ESPN says the entire ACC rides on Clemson beating
Sep 22, 2022, 11:12 AM
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They aren’t wrong….
Reinforces that we need disproportionate revenue sharing in the ACC….
At this point - and for a while now ….when it comes to football..Clemson carries the ACC…
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"Carolina not being what people thought they would be"
Sep 22, 2022, 11:18 AM
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Whaaaaat?
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"Just Win Baby!"...
Sep 22, 2022, 12:37 PM
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...quoting Al Davis. If we win out, were in, no question.
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