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Re: Top 50 QBs this season...
Dec 3, 2021, 8:03 AM
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So we are at 51?
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Just an unbelievable miss
Dec 3, 2021, 8:23 AM
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for us recruiting the quarterback position. I don't think it was all on DJ though. I think our previous quarterbacks were so doggone good they covered up deficiencies in the offense that need repair. DJ just isn't good enough to overcome what's wrong with us.
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Re: Just an unbelievable miss
Dec 3, 2021, 8:29 AM
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I still contend that our staff made a huge mistake by waiting to work on his mechanics, it was plain as day last year that he had an over exaggerated release that gave defenders an extra split second to make a play on the ball, thus he had to throw everything like a howitzer to get the ball on time. It worked for him last year until DCs figured this out and planned around it..
Anyway, this change threw off his timing and caused him to overthink things. he has all the tools, I chalk this up to poor coaching. he should have been working on this all summer, but apparently, he did not. I suspect we will see a completely different guy next year. And if memory serves me correctly, Lawrence did not start his sophomore year off with a bang either, he struggled mightily throwing interceptions early in 2019, but he had a better Oline and ETN carried us early in the year.
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Re: Just an unbelievable miss
Dec 3, 2021, 8:35 AM
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It's actually a good point. Trevor played his best as a freshman, started off very poorly his sophomore year (he was very inaccurate and had a bunch of picks), and was a little better as a junior, but it was mainly his scrambling/knowledge of the game. DJ looked a lot better fundamentally last year, though he did have a longer release. We also saw Kelly Bryant, Taisun, and Chase not really improve as passers at Clemson, though Chase improved greatly since leaving.
There's one constant there. I just don't believe our coaches can't see the issues with DJ's mechanics. I think it's more likely Streeter is just incapable of fixing it. I mean, statistically, Streeter had the worst career at QB in history. And a lot of problems we've seen were problems endemic to his own play. It just seems very strange to me that we have a terrible college QB coaching our NFL-caliber guys, even knowing the old adage, "Those who can't do, teach."
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Re: Just an unbelievable miss
Dec 3, 2021, 8:58 AM
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How has Brice improved greatly since leaving?
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Re: Just an unbelievable miss
Dec 3, 2021, 9:51 AM
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I thought he was pretty good while he was here, better the TP.
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Re: Just an unbelievable miss
Dec 3, 2021, 11:07 AM
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Look at him this year. He never got a chance to improve his passing here. He was pretty bad fundamentally last year after 3 years in our system. But one year with Cutliffe and then App State's coach and he's a top 30 QB.
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He had a miserable season with Duke
Dec 3, 2021, 11:41 AM
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Not sure i agree at all with your premise on that one.
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Like the Coots say about sex at a family reunion, it's all
Dec 3, 2021, 8:54 AM
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relative, but Trevor's "bad" start was Heisman Trophy caliber compared to DJ this year.
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Re: Just an unbelievable miss
Dec 3, 2021, 8:44 AM
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I still put blame on the players around him. He was great last year when he had Etienne, Amari, and Cornell. Throw in Ngata, Ladson, or EJ and you can see the diversity he had to throw to. He had the explosive route runner in the slot. He had a 5th year WR that played big. He had tall downfield threats to challenge defenses vertically. And when he got in trouble, he had the best RB in school history to dump the ball off to. And our offensive line was just better last year.
Fast forward to this year...
RBs: Dixon (transfer), Pace (missed games), Shipley (missed games), Mafah (not quite ready) were his running backs. None of them are even close to the receiving threat that Etienne was.
WRs: Ross, Ngata, Ladson, and EJ were our top 4 to open the year. All of them are 6'4 vertical threats. None are slot WRs. None are guys that are dangerous in the screen game. And none of them could stay healthy this year. Our next guys up were Beaux Collins (true frosh), Dacari Collins (true fros), Ajou Ajou (not consistent), Will Brown (lol), and Will Swinney (lol). And the amount of dropped passes this year was insane.
OL: Carman and McFadden were a better OT duo than McFadden and Parks. Bockhorst, Cade Stewart, and Putnam stayed healthy all year. Bockhorst, Rayburn, and Trotter all started games at OC this year. Had a true freshman, that wasn't ready, starting for most the year at LG. Bockhorst's season ended early. Putnam missed games and played hurt all year.
Gameplans were simple. Clemson doesn't have an explosive RB like Etienne, so it becomes unnecessary to stack the box. None of their RBs are threats in the passing game, so we don't have to dedicate one of our athletes to cover them. Their QB has a big arm but struggles in the intermediate to short passing game, which is good because they don't have the WRs that can take a screen 75 yards for a TD. So, we'll just play two high safeties and take away the deep passing game. Force their WRs to win on underneath routes against man coverage and force their QB to be extremely accurate. Oh, and their offensive line is never the same, always rotating, and not as good as previous years. Let's pin our ears back and get after the less mobile QB that they've had in a decade.
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Re: Just an unbelievable miss
Dec 3, 2021, 11:08 AM
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I just don't think you can put the blame on the receivers. They haven't been great, but we know them enough to know they're still pretty good. DJ is the second worst QB in the country statistically. Do you really think our receivers and backs are worse than Vandy's or Old Dominions?
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I will say that I don’t recall seeing the lack of effort from our WRs
Dec 3, 2021, 11:31 AM
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that I saw this year. I’m pretty much a layman when it comes to that sort of thing so it has to really stand out for me to see it. But the WR blocking was really bad this year. Effort to go get the ball was lacking and several interceptions I thought could have been prevented if the receiver had gone into defend mode as the ball was obviously going to land in the defenders’ hands. Just very disappointed. I agree that DJ was obviously off all year and maybe they got discouraged because of that, but of course that’s the time we need and expect them to step up.
I do hope Balm is right and this performance is a forgotten memory from DJ come next season. And I guess we have another quality QB in the locker room next season so maybe they will push each other.
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Re: Just an unbelievable miss
Dec 3, 2021, 12:58 PM
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I put the blame on WRs, RBs, OL, and injuries...
I mean, DJ had Ross playing in the slot, which isn't his natural position. Ladson and Ngata missing more than half the season. EJ playing hurt when he can, but still missed 3-4 games. Ajou is really inconsistent. Beaux and Dacari are true freshmen. Will Brown and Will Swinney are walk-ons.
Dixon transferred. Pace and Shipley both missed games. Mafah isn't ready. Rencher is a walk-on. None of them are even close to what Etienne was last year. Although, Pace, Shipley, and Mafah are going to be great moving forward.
Then you add the constant rotation and injuries at OL...
Defenses didn't have to respect our running game because our offensive line was below average and none of our RBs are Travis Etienne (yet). Defenses played two high, took away the vertical passing game, and forced our tall, but slow, WRs to beat them underneath. And no, DJ is not very accurate. We knew that before the year. We knew he was a deep ball passer. The reason why he had more success last year was because Etienne forced an extra safety in the box. Amari and Cornell could beat your underneath and over the top. We didn't have Etienne, our offensive line regressed, and we had no diversity at WR.
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Re: Just an unbelievable miss
Dec 3, 2021, 9:06 AM
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Throw in the lack of development due to terrible coaching.
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Re: Just an unbelievable miss
Dec 3, 2021, 11:43 AM
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You're not entirely wrong but no offense will work with the QB being unable to hit wide open WRs which has been an ongoing issue all season.
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Hmm, wonder if #4 on their list ever met a man he didn't
Dec 3, 2021, 8:25 AM
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like?
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Re: Top 50 QBs this season...
Dec 3, 2021, 8:27 AM
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#### , I need to start putting together random Excel sheets on Twitter … get some hits.. and make some money. Seems like any moron can do this and be relatively successful
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When the QB of WHO? is at least ten spots better than ours,
Dec 3, 2021, 8:51 AM
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that's a very depressing situation.
WHO? is UTSA, per the Peerless Pigskin Prognosticator.
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Re: When the QB of WHO? is at least ten spots better than ours,
Dec 3, 2021, 11:11 AM
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He's mostly going by QBR. If that or accuracy or ypa are your metric, UTSA's QB is about 60 spots above DJ.
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Re: Top 50 QBs this season...
Dec 3, 2021, 9:15 AM
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So the chOklahoma QB isn't even on the list? I call BS
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Re: Top 50 QBs this season...
Dec 3, 2021, 9:28 AM
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Interesting and immaterial list. Teams are ranked, not players and the QB1 of the #1 team is listed 28th so this list goes in the who cares category.
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Tell 'em u7c coot. No one knows losing better than you.
Dec 3, 2021, 9:31 AM
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Re: Tell 'em u7c coot. No one knows losing better than you.
Dec 3, 2021, 11:09 AM
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Can someone just ban your dumb ###?
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Re: Top 50 QBs this season...
Dec 3, 2021, 9:42 AM
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L O L at some of you getting your panties in a bunch over a tweet from a proven idiot.
Further, he is a proven idiot who is openly negative toward Clemson.
Further, why are some of you upset after seeing a list when you knew DJ didn't have the season anyone expected to begin with.
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Re: Top 50 QBs this season...
Dec 3, 2021, 10:01 AM
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I can't stand the Tarholes. But Howell down at # 30 is a joke. But I will admit some of the others I haven't seen play.
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A composite video of how many times the WRs made a catch
Dec 3, 2021, 10:22 AM
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on a poorly thrown ball for Trevor and Deshaun would be interesting to watch. There were dozens of examples.
Almost every big win we had with those two came when guys like Mike Williams, Tee Higgins, Justyn Ross, Jordan Leggett and others made spectacular catches on balls simply thrown in their general direction.
And if Renfrow doesn’t make a spectacular snag for Chase Brice against Syracuse, the legend of Chase is neve4 written.
Fast forward to 2021.
Certainly, the number of times any receiver has helped DJ this year have been almost nonexistent.
Why?
Injuries, lack of experience, and at time a sheer lack of effort by the receivers have greatly compounded the flaws in DJs game.
Our receivers have just been really bad all year long.
DJ has been shaken and inconsistent, but with some better play from his receivers, we probably beat NC State and Pitt.
I think he will improve a lot by next year, but if the receiving group doesn’t get a lot better as well, we may not notice the difference.
Cade Klubnik cannot complete passes to receivers who can’t get open and can’t catch either, so be prepared.
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Re: A composite video of how many times the WRs made a catch
Dec 3, 2021, 10:33 AM
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In regards to your reference to the NC State and Pitt games.
DJ was bad against NC State. There were a few plays where WRs could have helped him, but he didn't carry much weight in that one.
In the Pitt game, we dropped EIGHT passes that hit the target in both hands. I stand by that being DJ's best throwing game of the season (especially the 1st half) and the players around him completely let him and the team down. Yes he struggled late in that game, but with only a little help (I believe 6 1st half drops) we would have never been in the situation of DJ trying to bring the team back from being down in the second half.
You are absolutely correct that DJ getting better for next season won't solve our problems unless the WR's become a lot more dynamic and dependable as well.
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Re: Top 50 QBs this season...
Dec 3, 2021, 10:48 AM
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We have Pickett we win it all. Easily
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Seems a bit low for Stroud and Bryce Young
Dec 3, 2021, 11:37 AM
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I'm taking them over everyone on this list except maybe Pickett who had a phenomenal year with less talent around him.
What is this based on?
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