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Jesus loves ALL of you enough to die for all your sins
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Take delight in the LORD, and he will give you the desires of your heart.
Psalms 37-4
Make him Lord of your life, he wants relationship with you for eternity, it’ll be bigger than most joyful blast you could imagine!
Jesus loves football(basketball) because you do!
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Re: Jesus loves ALL of you enough to die for all your sins
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Amen heading to my church now.
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We REALLY need a board for this to keep it off
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The football page…
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Re: We REALLY need a board for this to keep it off
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He mentioned football...
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Re: We REALLY need a board for this to keep it off
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He mentioned football...
Not surprisingly, that is completely disingenuous.
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Don’t be so easily triggered… you don’t have to click on it
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Jan 8, 2023, 9:52 AM
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I never will understand why folks get so bothered by someone else proselytizing. Only thing I can think of is maybe they have some doubt or guilt and it tugs at that in them. For me, I’m good either way. To each his own.
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Re: Don’t be so easily triggered… you don’t have to click on it
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huffer,
I will never understand people's need to proselytize. If you have found the joy of life - just live it. If it really is special, people will see it in your life and ask you about it.
Then there is the question as to why an all-powerful deity needs little ole you to spread the word of her supremacy. Wouldn't it be more efficient if she used all of his powers to do that herself
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No argument from me on this… I concur***
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Re: No argument from me on this… I concur***
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Then we could get along fine. Go Tigers.
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Re: Don’t be so easily triggered… you don’t have to click on it
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The reason we tell people about Jesus is because He commanded us to in His word! I can tell from your post that you really do not know much about Christianity or Jesus! And you are correct that I should live my life before you so you can see my good deeds and good attitude and mostly see Jesus! I can’t force my faith on you but because I truly believe the Bible then I must share the Gospel story with everyone and every where. John 3:16 For God so Loved the World that He gave His only begotten son that whosoever Believes in him shall not perish but will have everlasting life!!! That’s the Gospel and that’s the Good News!
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Re: Don’t be so easily triggered… you don’t have to click on it
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65,
My questions remains: Then there is the question as to why an all-powerful deity needs little ole you to spread the word of her supremacy. Wouldn't it be more efficient if she used all of his powers to do that herself.
Secondly, I was raised in the Lutheran Church and I understand plenty about the bible and god. I have read and understood the bible for quite a while now (see the Twain attachment). And that is why I do not believe in your mythology - that and the complete lack of evidence.
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Re: Don’t be so easily triggered… you don’t have to click on it
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Jan 9, 2023, 9:08 AM
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You are right that God doesn't need us to spread his word. A god that creates the heavens and the earth does not need anything. He does desire that we spread his word as stated in the Bible, but you know that. You have faith (without evidence) to call the Bible mythology but don't extend the same privilege to others to have faith that the Bible is true. When someone shares the Gospel with you, please understand that they are saying "I care about you" and take it as a compliment. They are just following God's commandment, "Love thy neighbor as thyself". Hoping you have a good week.
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Re: Don’t be so easily triggered… you don’t have to click on it
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I do not need any evidence to NOT believe in something. I call the bible mythology because there is no evidence that it has divine origins.
When someone shares the "gospel" with me they are being presumptive and condescending. They are taking the position that they have some superior knowledge about life - and again without any evidence of such. If christians truly cared about their neighbors, they would respect them by doing for them rather than preaching at them.
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Re: Don’t be so easily triggered… you don’t have to click on it
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There is plenty evidence in nature and in the very Word of God preserved in the Bible. The Jews saw numerous signs and refused to believe and murdered Jesus, who is God. The empty tomb is evidence; the Jews and/or Romans could have stopped Christianity instantly by producing a body as they had tremendous incentive to do. It is highly unlikely that numerous first century Christians would have died for a lie. I could go on. The human race was plunged into sin by Adam’s sin, and all are dead in their sin without God’s grace. Just as many died through Adam, many shall be saved by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone for the glory of God alone. I have prayed for Gods grace to come to all in this thread.
Romans 1:18-25
God’s Wrath on Unrighteousness
[18] For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. [19] For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. [20] For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. [21] For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. [22] Claiming to be wise, they became fools, [23] and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.
[24] Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, [25] because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.
2 Corinthians 4:3-6
[3] And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. [4] In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. [5] For what we proclaim is not ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord, with ourselves as your servants for Jesus’ sake. [6] For God, who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,” has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
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Yes… b/c politics is just another form of religion***
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Except politicians exists...
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gods don't
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Re: We REALLY need a board for this to keep it off
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Why? Are you so insecure in your belief that you could not just scroll past this post if you don’t like it.
If you don’t believe in God then why does it offend you?
Could it be that every time you hear someone speak about Jesus that it convicts you?
Jesus loves you!!!!
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I have similar questions for you
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Jan 8, 2023, 5:15 PM
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Why? Are you so insecure in your belief that you could not just scroll past these post if you don’t like it.
If you believe in God then why do people who don't offend you?
Could it be that every time you hear someone speak of being good without god, you secretly know that it is true ?
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Re: Jesus loves ALL of you enough to die for all your sins
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Jesus loves all of you enough to
send you to an eternity of suffering in #### if you don't worship him in the right way.
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Re: Jesus loves ALL of you enough to die for all your sins
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Human sacrifice is such a weird way to forgive the fallen beings that you created and knew would fall. But who am I to question?
Mustard seeds, man. Mustard seeds.
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Re: Jesus loves ALL of you enough to die for all your sins
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Blood was the only way to offer sacrifices in the OT.
In the NT God sent His son as the ultimate sacrifice and the need to shed blood for forgiveness was finished.
OT was before Jesus walked the earth and the NT starts with the life of Christ.
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Re: Jesus loves ALL of you enough to die for all your sins
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I cannot speak for Leon, but it occurs to me that every non-believer that has been sent to hell is a human sacrifice. And plenty of new testament christians still believe that their god does that.
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Re: Jesus loves ALL of you enough to die for all your sins
Jan 8, 2023, 1:53 PM
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+1 for The Longest Yard reference.
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Re: Jesus loves ALL of you enough to die for all your sins
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Tobias he gives you a free will. You choose your path. You will send your self not Him. The whole purpose of His sacrifice was that none of us would have to go.
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Re: Jesus loves ALL of you enough to die for all your sins
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Who was it that created this hell ??
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Re: Jesus loves ALL of you enough to die for all your sins
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You have no understanding about Jesus!
He does not send anyone to Hell. You send yourself!
Jesus being God came to earth and lived as a man and gave his life for you so you don’t have to go to Hell!
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Re: Jesus loves ALL of you enough to die for all your sins
Jan 8, 2023, 5:03 PM
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65,
Again, who was it that created this hello ?
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Re: Jesus loves ALL of you enough to die for all your sins
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You send yourself to eternal damnation. He provided the means to avoid it. It is an incomplete understanding to say God is a loving God. God is a loving God and He is a just God. His love tempers His justice, but by nature He is just. He is also all powerful and sovereign. He gets to make the rules without your approval.
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Re: Jesus loves ALL of you enough to die for all your sins
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Re: Jesus loves ALL of you enough to die for all your sins
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You have no understanding about Jesus!
He does not send anyone to Hell. You send yourself!
Jesus being God came to earth and lived as a man and gave his life for you so you don’t have to go to Hell!
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Re: Jesus loves ALL of you enough to die for all your sins
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Bible covers are made of leather and footballs are too, so this post passes the test!
I approve.
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Re: Jesus loves ALL of you enough to die for all your sins
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If he loves us so much why don’t he ever stop a mass shooter or cure cancer?
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Re: Jesus loves ALL of you enough to die for all your sins
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Yep. I just had this discussion with a Jewish friend of mine too. And I’m a Christian too! I have made the point to so many fellow Christians that god cannot be all owing AND all powerful based on the evidence all around us. Pick one, but not both. Innocent children should never suffer if he is both.
I believe he is powerful, but not all powerful. And I believe he is all loving. But he has limits on the power he has to address some things. Otherwise, he would have addressed them.
The converse to this is to believe he is indeed ALL powerful and allows some children to suffer unimaginable pain and horrors. That is not all loving to me. That would be kind of sick in my mind actually.
So I am going with ALL loving. It helps me rest better at night.
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You sound like a person with a reasonable brain who could actually have a conversation.
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So, based on your comments, then why would you choose to believe? I’m not ragging on you. That’s a legit question. If such a being is as you describe, why in the world, would they be worthy of love and worship? Paschal’s wagering?
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Re: You sound like a person with a reasonable brain who could actually have a conversation.
Jan 8, 2023, 10:33 AM
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As I’ve grown older and had more time to observe and learn about the universe, it is clear to me that there is a bigger power here in play that we humans really cannot comprehend.
I also believe Jesus did walk this Earth and was probably one of the most forgiving, non-judgemental human beings who ever lived. Ghandi and mother Theresa being two other examples. If he wasn’t the son of God, he was closest thing to it. I happen to believe he was in some way or another used by God to convey what we should try and be for one another. I also believe man has perverted the word of God throughout history in order to co-opt the belief in him to gain power for themselves. That is why I’m not a huge organized religion guy.
I truly believe we have to be better creatures in the way we treat others and Jesus led that message by example. Christianity doesn’t teach killing others to convert them, even though the crusades didn’t abide by that tenet. So overall, I’m a believer in Christ and a higher power God. And I believe we will be held to account for how we treat others while here on Earth in some way or another. I also think there are good tenets in Judaism too.
So that is where I stand on religion. But again, to each his own. Just don’t use religion to judge others. That is one thing that will trigger me. ?
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Re: You sound like a person with a reasonable brain who could actually have a conversation.
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The Crusades were actually to reclaim Christian lands taken by force by the Muslims, not an expansionist conquest.
The same thing happened in Spain, and Eastern Europe. Particularly in the Balkans.
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The crusades used religion as an excuse for war… that is not
Jan 8, 2023, 11:03 AM
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Christ-like. Now the Muslims kind of forced the response because they were saying convert or be killed to the Christian’s which begot the Old Testament Christian response of an “eye for on eye” instead of Jesus’ “turn the other cheek”!
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Re: You sound like a person with a reasonable brain who could actually have a conversation.
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Christians is a broad term used by many religions.
Christ like true believers would not be killing anyone not like minded, land wars possibly. Those still go on today. If we were still at war with those of different faiths would they still not be going on?
And do you not see the difference in the Muslims that are wanting to harm those that are not followers of their religions or Allah. They are still those that are out there doing that today.
Where are these Christians causing wars and were they maybe not defending themselves from those that wanted them eradicated which is still the case in Iran and Iraq.
If you are into history, prophecy and future events lay down your history book and pick up Scripture. It will answer most of your questions.
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Re: You sound like a person with a reasonable brain who could actually have a conversation.
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“Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword.
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Re: You sound like a person with a reasonable brain who could actually have a conversation.
Jan 8, 2023, 5:45 PM
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WOW, a quote from the bible gets downvoted (still anonymously) - amazing.
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Re: Jesus loves ALL of you enough to die for all your sins
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Jesus did better than that when he overcame sin & death... He gave everyone the choice to dwell in this material existence and it's trappings or be set free in the truth of eternal spiritual life through Him!
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Re: Jesus loves ALL of you enough to die for all your sins
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evidence, please
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Re: Jesus loves ALL of you enough to die for all your sins
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The evidence is that you're trapped in your way of belief and inability to trust beyond what you can presently perceive in your limited form. Faith is the key to unlocking the door of true spiritual nature & life which exists not just within but beyond your present boundaries. Without faith there is no hope of achieving the transformation you so furiously rail against.
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Re: Jesus loves ALL of you enough to die for all your sins
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About the only thing that you know about my beliefs and trust is that they do not match up with your mythology. Beyond that you know virtually nothing about me -0 and yet you judge despite the warnings from your own myth.
Spiritual transformation is completely within a human's own power. I am perfectly capable of being good without god.
Faith - isn't that where the thinking stops. ?
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Re: Jesus loves ALL of you enough to die for all your sins
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NOT judging you to make observations about what you've stated....and Jesus is NOT a myth.
Our beliefs don't match up but that has no bearing on whether you or I or anyone in this world is good or bad; those are both subjective characterizations based on differing socially accepted norms.
It seems that my belief in life as a spiritual existence within a physical/material framework represented by our bodies is what you're at odds with. Maybe I misinterpreted what I read from you?
I believe our spiritual beings are eternal, like energy which cannot be destroyed just changed from one form to another. Yes our finite bodies will return to the earth ("meet you in the dirt") but our spiritual selves will have been transformed into a new state when our life force leaves the physical body.
How faith works I can't explain but I know it requires believing in a spiritual God who is beyond my personal power & understanding but definitely NOT without evidence.
I don't see this as mysticism or myth but rather an educated choice based on my limited personal knowledge and experience in this present life. However, I do believe that once I've broken free from the limitations of my physical body, spiritual truths & realities beyond my current comprehension will become evident...that's my faith in practice.
For me this requires a spiritual God, a greater presence than myself alone, to be possible and I willfully accept that.
You stated, "Spiritual transformation is completely within a human's own power."
This seems to be your main point of dissent if I understand your statement correctly.
We all have freedom to believe what we do.
Peace.
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I agree. We all, as human beings have the right to feel and believe whatever we want to. My problem arises when some christians want to preach to others how they should believe or act. Other than that, I am perfectly happy to co-exist with christians - as I have done all my life.
Peace to you too my brother
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How could you possibly know God hasn't stopped a mass shooter? Because he hasn't stopped every one of them?
Maybe God sent us the cure for cancer in one of the millions of babies we chose to abort. Is that possible?
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Re: Jesus loves ALL of you enough to die for all your sins
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Well, an all-powerful god should stop all mass shooters - unless he WANTS to allow some mass shootings.
And an all-loving god would keep sending us another cure for cancer (which he caused) until we got it.
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Re: Jesus loves ALL of you enough to die for all your sins
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Jan 8, 2023, 11:00 AM
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When sin was introduced into the world so was pain and suffering. We try to rationalize things with our own minds and God tells us His ways are not our ways. Isaiah 55:8-9 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,” declares the LORD. “As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways.
There are things in this world that we will never comprehend but he does not expect us to. He simply tells to to repent of our sins and follow Him. Repent is not the I’m sorry but from the Greek where it means to turn away from one’s sin.
Some have faith that the world evolved into what it currently is and some believe God created everything we see. Everyone has faith it’s just faith in the God or there is no God.
God is in all of us but what we do about that is the difference. Some remain agnostic and some believe there is something bigger than ourselves.
I look at my own conscience as proof not that the good Lord needs any proof. You can see His work as soon as you walk out your front door. My conscience lets me know when I’m doing something or saying something that I should not be saying or doing. Why is that? If there is no God why would it matter when it comes to right and wrong.
The history and current state of Israel is HUGE when reading the Old Testament regarding prophecy as well.
Seen the mention of different religions and religion is just that religion. The Bible mentions no Catholics, Presbyterians, Baptist or Methodist. It’s simply putting your faith in Jesus the Son of God and asking Him to forgive you for your sins. The Bible mentions that it’s so easy that children can understand. Man like everything else they have ever touches messes things up.
There are some great apologetic reads out there as well if that kind of study interest you.
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Re: Jesus loves ALL of you enough to die for all your sins
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My confidence in evolution is backed by tons of scientific evidence. Faith plays no part in it.
I have a conscience, too. I have it because we, as humans, have agreed on certain things being right or wrong - and we understand that our collective lives are better when we mutually stay within those boundaries.
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Re: Jesus loves ALL of you enough to die for all your sins
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So your conscience from what humans have decided is best? If we as humans decided it would be better for us to kill the handicapped and homeless because our collective lives would be better without their burden, would your conscience be okay with that or do you think there would be something objectively wrong about it?
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But we collectively have not decided that, have we. Humans can be good without god.
Although there are some who violate our norms and laws, the vast majority of humans want to get along with their fellow human beings (& understand it to be in their best interests) and establish such rules as will allow them to do so to the greater benefit of all.
Yes, WE collectively decide what is right and what is wrong - and so far we are getting better at it over time.
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Re: Jesus loves ALL of you enough to die for all your sins
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So how do you answer my question? If society decides its best to eliminate people, and if were objectively true that life would be easier without them, would your conscience be okay with it?
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Re: Jesus loves ALL of you enough to die for all your sins
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Tobias ..... it is not about being good. It is about being saved. There are enormous numbers of people in the world who are better than I am, as judged by human standards. Certainly our goal is to be Christ-like, but we all fall short. Even the apostle Paul, whom may have been one of the finest men who ever lived called himself "a wretch", because he knew he was a sinner and fell short. As a Christian, you certainly work to do good, but your success at being good is not what saves you. I understand yours and others perspective and suffice to say that I do not have all the answers. There are things in the Bible that I do not understand, but I know they are right and it is my comprehension and understanding that is the problem, not the Holy Word.
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Re: Jesus loves ALL of you enough to die for all your sins
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Might I respectfully ask - if you don't understand things in the bible, how can you be sure that they are right ?
And again respectfully, if god chooses to reward people based on their worship of him rather than on their human efforts to be good - what does that say about god ?
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Those are certainly good questions, but the Bible and being a Christian is not a list of things you can do and can't do, but a conditioning of the heart. If it were for instance merely a list, such as the Ten Commandants, then I guess my dog would be a Christian, as he has never violated any of the commandments. Certainly there are things that you should not do, but that is not the whole story. The Bible does not contradict itself, so it is the entire theme that is correct, and cherry picking parts of it and twisting the interpretation does not mean that a portion is not true. I think in some cases it is merely a misinterpretation.
Even as Christians, we are prone just to pick out the parts we like and ignore those that we don't like or even disagree with. Does that make s us wrong or the Bible wrong. If you, or anyone can show me the parts that are wrong, that would make you the ultimate authority. So personally, I choose to believe that the Bible is correct and it is me that is wrong.
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Re: Jesus loves ALL of you enough to die for all your sins
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The human collective says that murdering innocent unborn babies is good and acceptable. The human collective says killing a baby 1 day before it is born is "good".
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Re: Jesus loves ALL of you enough to die for all your sins
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The human collective says that murdering innocent unborn babies is good and acceptable. The human collective says killing a baby 1 day before it is born is "good".
Yeah, and everyone who is against abortion is also ok with people trying to prosecute the doctor of a 10 year old who terminated a ra.pe pregnancy. You see how stupid broad generalizations like that sound? I have never heard anyone pro-choice that said they were ok with a full term termination it's completely made up. The only person I have ever seen mention this is you. You don't have a leg to stand on so you resort to gaslighting and outright lies to try and make your point. All it does is make your stance look weak and pathetic.
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Re: Jesus loves ALL of you enough to die for all your sins
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Nineteen states and DC allow full term abortions. The former governor of Virginia stated that a child should be birthed, and then appropriate care given after consultation with the mother and doctors - abortion after birth. Your example of a ten-year old does not include the fact that almost none have the ability to conceive. You provide a highly unlikely scenario vs millions of healthy babies being exterminated for convenience. At least depict the situation honestly.
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I don't see how that's any worse than what god is going to do to the majority of people that ever lived...supposedly that is.
My common sense tells me that only a monster would do something like that.
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Re: Jesus loves ALL of you enough to die for all your sins
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The consequences of the fall. God did not create man to be his puppets. Man chose to unleash the curse into the perfectly created earth.
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Re: Jesus loves ALL of you enough to die for all your sins
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Reynolds,
Do you believe that god is all-knowing ?
Because if god is all knowing then man cannot have free will. God cannot know what is going to happen if humans retain the right to choose their own path. The two concepts cannot co-exist at the same time.
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They most definitely can. Foreknowledge does not equal foreordination.
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Re: Jesus loves ALL of you enough to die for all your sins
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If god knows I am going to do A, then how can I be free to choose B.
If I am free to choose B, then god did not know that I was going to choose A
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Because He put you here to do that.
Free will !
BTW who’s to say He doesn’t stop plenty of mass shooters?
But I can tell you of personal family members that Je healed of cancer !!
You really have an angry selfish and childish ignorant attitude!
Thankfully Jesus still loves you!
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Re: Jesus loves ALL of you enough to die for all your sins
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I have an angry, selfish, childish, ignorant attitude - but you are the one hurling personal insults and using exclamation points.
Don't get in such an uproar - Relax, there is no god, no afterlife, and no hell. See you in the ground.
And I still love you.
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Trust God
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“Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways submit to him, and he will make your paths straight” – Proverbs 3:5-6
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Re: Trust God
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The ability of our minds to use rational thinking to examine our own lives and actions is the thing that sets us apart - our greatest talent.
If ANYONE tells you to stop using your brain, THEY are the ones that should be run away from.
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Re: Trust God
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Our greatest talent ain't that great. Think WW1, WW2, Ukraine, Vietnam, African wars, South Africa, drug trafficking, human trafficking, Utah murders, Colombine, Mexican cartels, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, pol pot, Idi Amin, American civil war, World Trade Center, Boston marathon bombing, abortion, murder, rape, sex trafficking, .....add your own.
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I got a great book that you might want to read, it's got
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war, hate, jealousy, adultery, miracles, love, healing, joy, forgiveness, and so much more. On top of that the main character actually saves the world!
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Re: I got a great book that you might want to read, it's got
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The Trilogy of the Rings ! Excellent !! I recommend it as well !!!
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Re: I got a great book that you might want to read, it's got
Jan 9, 2023, 8:16 AM
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Yes! A very Christian trilogy.
Good news that you’re asking so many legitimate questions. There are good comments in here by a lot of well-intentioned folks. For a better understanding many research all the way back to the Church Fathers and early Christians who had firsthand knowledge of and from the Apostles and their disciples.
I recommend a site called Catholic Answers.
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Re: I got a great book that you might want to read, it's got
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catholic answers - that's hilarious
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The same Darwin that became a Christian before he died?
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a life redeemed. That's the gospel right there boys.
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Re: The same Darwin that became a Christian before he died?
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Tigre,
That story has repeatedly been debunked. It was wishful thinking by christians.
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Debunked? There was a book written by a lady that claimed
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to have had conversion conversations with him on his death bed. She claimed he did. Other books have given opinions that christian conversion doesn't line up with what they believe happened. At the end of the day it comes down literally to a "he said, she said" type situation. So the fact that you say it's "debunked" is just your haughty hopeful opinion.
Truthfully there's no way to know with certainty. What has been agreed on by all is there was conversations about eternity while on his deathbed. No one knows but God as to how those conversations ended. The happy ending of course is that it ended with a man redeemed at the 12th hour. The sad ending would be he doubled down on his stubbornness to prove his life work was not for naught and he died prideful and closed off.
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I have to kind of laugh to myself when people complain about these types of posts being on the board, yet they tend to be the posts that spark the most responses...
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It’s in all of us man. That’s why the rise out of so many unbelievers. Just say you choose to reject and move on. I look at it as a witnessing opportunity. Not my place to condemn anyone but to share what I consider to be the greatest news.
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You want to be able to share your news, but you want the rest of us to shut up and move on. No Thanks.
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There are plenty of threads on here that don't interest me. I ignore them. You can't ignore these threads because the cut you deep in your conscience. You hope you are right, but you are not sure that you are. You can't ignore these threads because they kindle your inner doubt.
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Re: Jesus loves ALL of you enough to die for all your sins
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reynolds,
I would say the same for each of your responses here. YOU are worried that the evidence does not support your position and so you feel compared to keep repeating it.
I think that I am more assured in my position than you are in yours.
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Re: Jesus loves ALL of you enough to die for all your sins
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God is good all the time
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Re: Jesus loves ALL of you enough to die for all your sins
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I will refer you to the article on parasites above.
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Parasites exist = God doesn’t exist. Got it. Just because a fallen sin filled world exists doesn’t mean God doesn’t exist. The Bible is clear that not all people will believe. There is no point in arguing about it. Some simply cannot believe.
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Re: Jesus loves ALL of you enough to die for all your sins
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It's actually clear that MOST people won't believe.
Narrow is the path...
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God is good all the time
Bullcrap. When I visit the grave of my 6 month old son the reality that slaps me in the face is that your "god" is not loving AT ALL, much less all the time. If your "loving god's" way of showing ppl that he loves them is by taking their baby from them, I want NOTHING to do with that despicable excuse for whatever tf kind of monster he is. Furthermore, if your "loving god" is all knowing, then he willfully chose to suddenly, abruptly and without any forewarning whatsoever end my 6 month old son's life knowing the tailspin it would send my life into. He knowingly ended my son's life fully aware that I would attempt to take my own life multiple times bc the indescribable pain and misery and ever present reminders of the death of my son ripped a gaping, permanent hole in the threads of the fabric that comprised my life. What reasoning could this "loving" god possibly provide that would justify doing that?!?! Don't give me the "oh but he could have known that down the line something horrible would happen to him or he would have become critical ill so he was saving him from the pain and suffering of that" BS. If that were the case, why would a "loving" god knowingly create children doomed to a future of such severe suffering that he knew it would make it necessary to turn right around and remove them from the earth so soon? How could a loving god be okay with watching the parent of this child literally spend nights sleeping on the ground next to his grave? Watching the parent of this child, even after all this time, at the most random moments...standing in a grocery line, paying for gas, in the middle of small talk with total strangers standing in line at the pharmacy...suddenly feel like someone gut punched me to the point of knocking the breath out of me while those familiar waves of pain overwhelm me like I'm right back standing in the hallway at work being told that my son was gone and I quite literally begin sobbing uncontrollably with these strangers staring at me like I've lost my mind?
If any form of a god exists, he/she/it is a cruel, twisted, heartless monstrocity with the single most massive case of narcissistic personality disorder ever to exist.
And anyone doesn't like or agree what I've said or feels the need to "save me" or "witness to me" or tells me I'm doomed to an eternity in ####, miss me with the self righteous word vomit. Whatever "####" you think exists that I would be sent to? I'm there already. It's called "life" after burying your child.
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I am so sorry for your loss. I cannot imagine what that must feel like. But if you ever just want a companion to commiserate with (or not commiserate with), all you have to do is T-mail me and we will make it happen.
Again so sorry for your loss.
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ClemTig01 you have a lot to live for buddy.
I've never lost a child but I know that kind of pain is something that is coming for all of us.
Hold on to the good memories of seeing him born and look forward to making new relationships that will bring love and joy to your life.
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Re: Jesus loves ALL of you enough to die for all your sins
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Amen to that
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Re: Jesus loves ALL of you enough to die for all your sins
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The OP accomplished exactly what he wanted. To get everyone talking about God almighty.
Bravo Humbleservant.
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Re: Jesus loves ALL of you enough to die for all your sins
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or the lack thereof . . .
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Re: Jesus loves ALL of you enough to die for all your sins
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Since we are all sinners "lack of thereof" is not an option. But first you have to acknowledge that you are a sinner. Before that you have to recognize what sin is. I suggest reading Mere Christianity, by a former non-believer and brilliant man, CS Lewis.
I must say, I certainly do not blame people for not believing, because once you believe you are committed and can no longer ignore sin and although a huge weight is lifted off your shoulders, you have an obligation to respond differently to it.
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Re: Jesus loves ALL of you enough to die for all your sins
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Great recommendation. Lewis’ works are some of my favorite. The Screwtape Letters is also a must-read for those who don’t understand the reality and consequences of sin.
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Re: Jesus loves ALL of you enough to die for all your sins
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Just got home from church where our preacher did a good job of reminding us of that!
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Re: Jesus loves ALL of you enough to die for all your sins
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Amen to that!
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Re: Jesus loves ALL of you enough to die for all your sins
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Jan 8, 2023, 1:39 PM
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Jesus indeed loves us and died for our sins. Not sure about Him loving sports. He works in and through sports, but to say He loves sports might be a stretch.
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Re: No offense, but the other guy seems like more fun
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Sin is definitely fun for a season. However, it leads to spiritual death. But, I’m sure you don’t believe in a soul so have a blast while you can.
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Re: Jesus loves ALL of you enough to die for all your sins
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Jan 8, 2023, 2:31 PM
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Yes he does and I, for one, am eternally greatful for his love and grace!!!
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Re: Jesus loves ALL of you enough to die for all your sins
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Jan 8, 2023, 2:45 PM
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There is power in prayer. Look at all of the people that prayed for Damar Hamlin. God answers prayers and He desires for all of us to go to heaven. Jesus does love all of us!
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Re: Jesus loves ALL of you enough to die for all your sins
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Jan 8, 2023, 5:37 PM
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How does god get credit for the good work that the medical people did ?
And none of the responsibility for causing the injury to begin with ?
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Re: Jesus loves ALL of you enough to die for all your sins
Jan 9, 2023, 7:56 AM
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Free will.
Also, you should read about your namesake Tobias in the book of Tobit. Very short book in the original Bible (before Luther took it out with six others). Beautiful story.
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Re: Jesus loves ALL of you enough to die for all your sins
Jan 9, 2023, 5:20 PM
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How do books of the divinely inspired bible get taken out. Did god make a mistake ??
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Re: Jesus loves ALL of you enough to die for all your sins
Jan 11, 2023, 10:41 AM
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They didn't get "taken out". They remain in the Catholic Bible, but they have never been in protestant Bibles. As a side note Catholics historically viewed the Apocryphal books as non-inspired historical.
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Re: Jesus loves ALL of you enough to die for all your sins
Jan 9, 2023, 2:03 PM
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God didn't cause the injury. Humans who have the ability to make choices chose to play a game where they constantly pummel each other. Just like our children God loves us no matter how stupid we are. God made the human body and he only gifted a few to be able to take care of it and help it recover when it gets injured.
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Re: Jesus loves ALL of you enough to die for all your sins
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Re: Jesus loves ALL of you enough to die for all your sins
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Thank you for speaking about our Lord and Savior. Christians are constantly persecuted and belittled for speaking out about Jesus. All we can do is love our neighbors and pray for them. God bless you!
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Re: Jesus loves ALL of you enough to die for all your sins
Jan 8, 2023, 5:36 PM
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Figured I’d get a TD, which backs up my statement
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Re: Jesus loves ALL of you enough to die for all your sins
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coleman
You mistake disagreement with persecution. It is especially humorous in a country with churches on every corner, whole TV stations dedicated to your god, and every president ever being christian.
I may belittle your perspective, but I have not belittled you as a human being.
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Also, Praise Allah and Krishna Amen***
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Yah, well, that's just like your opinion, man
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show some self control, dude
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Matthew 6:5-8
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“When you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men … but when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your father who is unseen.”
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Cool Hand Luke is a Top 10 all-time movie for me... so many
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memorable lines... shaking it boss, failure to communicate, I can eat 50 eggs, etc. I think maybe The Godfather is the only movie with as many quotable lines. Tobias27772
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Re: Cool Hand Luke is a Top 10 all-time movie for me... so many
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It has long been my favorite movie. I must have watched it 50 times.
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Re: Jesus loves ALL of you enough to die for all your sins
Jan 9, 2023, 1:59 PM
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Based solely on numbers to this point 12 of you are going to hell!
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Oooooh, sounds really scary.
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Detective Rust Cohle: If the only thing keeping a person decent is the expectation of divine reward, then, brother, that person is a piece of ####.
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Re: Oooooh, sounds really scary.
Jan 9, 2023, 5:30 PM
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Decent is a state of inertia. My faith motivates me to be proactively good. Faith based organizations make up over 80% of private charitable work and donations to homeless, food banks, medical assistance and disaster relief. That’s more than decent
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Re: Jesus loves ALL of you enough to die for all your sins
Jan 10, 2023, 11:04 AM
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There is one good thing about death. You're dead - you are completely unaware of anything - including this hell that christians have made up.
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Re: Jesus loves ALL of you enough to die for all your sins
Jan 9, 2023, 5:25 PM
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Not related to Clemson Football..Wrong forum for this...
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Re: Jesus loves ALL of you enough to die for all your sins
Jan 11, 2023, 3:16 PM
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Re: Jesus loves ALL of you enough to die for all your sins
Jan 12, 2023, 7:55 AM
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It's a good thing you added (basketball) in the OP... seems to be paying off so far.
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Re: Jesus loves ALL of you enough to die for all your sins
Jan 12, 2023, 8:37 AM
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He probably didn't like football!
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