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Jason Priester of a Clemson sports site says it appears BIG10 is..
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more of a possible landing site for us in FB than SEC since:
1. SC would veto us joining SEC plus state of SC is small and offers nothing for new population coverage.
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2. SEC is looking at state of NC (UNC).
3. SEC is looking at state of VA.
And, Jason said that it appears the Clemson higher ups are feeling that BIG10 aligns more with our higher academics than SEC..
and to be admitted to BIG10 we need to meet their academic & "multiple" sports team accreditation standards..
thus the 2-3 new women's teams in last 1-3 years and having the highly acclaimed new Business School.
So, seems a plan is tentatively in the making.
Also, it's interesting that Clemson could represent the BIG10 in the South & in the state of SC versus the SEC Coots! Talk about rivalries!
Sounds possible but playing in that cold freezing weather is a drag but would give places like Judge Keller's & Clemson Sports an growing outlet for cold apparel.
I light the SEC more due to more fair weather, interesting & drivable locations, grand stadiums packed with crazies, awesome rivalries, better players, exposure in Southeast, etc.
What says youse?
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I heard last Fall from people high up in the academic/admin
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side of the university that the BIG was where we are trying to go and is the preferred landing spot for us. I would hope we have a few other schools like FSU, Georgia Tech and Virginia Tech that would be part of that move if it happens.
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Re: I heard last Fall from people high up in the academic/admin
Mar 5, 2023, 3:23 PM
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yeah this was such a good move for UMd
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Maryland never had an elite football program and
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their basketball sucked after Gary Williams left. It wasn't the move.
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Re: Maryland never had an elite football program and
Mar 5, 2023, 3:29 PM
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never? and you live in the state. Might want to do research. Power in the 50's and 70's and some 80's. The do seem to be either lights out good or bad but "never"?
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Re: Maryland never had an elite football program and
Mar 7, 2023, 12:27 PM
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Maryland had a strong football team when they were integrated with African Americans while the other teams in the ACC only let players with white skin on their teams.
It seems crazy that segregation ever happened.
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Re: I heard last Fall from people high up in the academic/admin
Mar 5, 2023, 4:00 PM
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they already had the UL guys mponey and were still struggling
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Re: I heard last Fall from people high up in the academic/admin
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it was a good move, they currently get 60 million a year and will get 100 million soon.
The ACC gets 31 million per team. It is not even fair, how are we supposed to compete with that when it comes to facilities, coaches salaries, and recruiting budgets?
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Re: I heard last Fall from people high up in the academic/admin
Mar 5, 2023, 9:43 PM
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it was a good move, they currently get 60 million a year and will get 100 million soon.
The ACC gets 31 million per team. It is not even fair, how are we supposed to compete with that when it comes to facilities, coaches salaries, and recruiting budgets?
It amazes me to read a logical post from you. Good 👍 job!
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Re: I heard last Fall from people high up in the academic/admin
Mar 5, 2023, 4:36 PM
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Maryland had turned into a dumpster fire before they left the ACC. Athletics had also been operating in the red. Sounds like they have some real winners running their programs.
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Re: I heard last Fall from people high up in the academic/admin
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Friedgen and Gary Williams kept them competitive during their tenures, both were two of the best coaches to ever grace this league, albeit Friedgen inherited a gold mine of talent from Ron Vanderlinden and won the ACC his first season, but you would have to go back to Bobby Ross to find a competitive Maryland program in Football.
And I can assure you they are not operating in the red now, the Big Ten is about to have the most lucrative TV contract in the history of college sports, we would be fools not to consider the move. We are talking 1.1 Billion per year.
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Re: Jason Priester of a Clemson sports site says it appears BIG10 is..
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Sounds good to me. And will enjoy beating Ohio state every chance we get.
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Re: Jason Priester of a Clemson sports site says it appears BIG10 is..
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I think he may be correct. I am not crazy about it but I think BIG would love to pick up Clem and FSU just to have teams in SEC country and spit in their face a bit more. Also tons of BIG alumni in Florida. I could also see BIG going after UNC and maybe Virginia. I also think SCar and Georgia would veto us and Florida would veto FSU so I just don’t think SEC will work with us. This is soon to be 2 conferences and ROY. If UNC comes their lawyer team will tie up GOR until the ACC disintegrates.
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Do SEC schools actually have veto power?
Mar 5, 2023, 8:10 PM
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I’d be surprised if that’s true.
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Re: Jason Priester of a Clemson sports site says it appears BIG10 is..
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Mar 5, 2023, 3:31 PM
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LOL. A&M was going to block Texas until Sankey told them to leave if they didn't like it. What do you think he would tell SC?
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Re: Jason Priester of a Clemson sports site says it appears BIG10 is..
Mar 5, 2023, 3:35 PM
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if they left or didn't who would know or care in the SEC? Just more loot split fewer ways like when crooks bump one another off.
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Re: Jason Priester of a Clemson sports site says it appears BIG10 is..
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Clemson position has nowhere near the leverage of texas, school or state. Really don’t see a compelling case for SEC to want us more than BIG but many people disagree and I am often wrong. Time will tell.
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I'd prefer SEC by a mile, out of those two, but what I'd
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much rather see is for all schools get together and do a total reorganization of college sports that makes sense for everybody. The NCAA as we know it would be abolished or so completely restructured it would be unrecognizeable, agreeing that some kind of oversight and enforcement is absolutely necessary. Schools would be split up into divisions based on size and revenue, and a decision once and for all as to the role and importance of academics, which should be brutally enforced if there are any requirements at all. Each of those divisions would be organized and split up into conferences based on geography in a way that makes sense; conferences as we know them and all such affiliations would be meaningless and redone for the good of the new system. Playoff systems across all divisions should be part of any arrangement.
Just about anything else will be an out-of-control, wild-west style professional league consisting of an NFL minor leauge staffed by entry level professionals whose only connection to the schools they "represent" are the colors they wear that day.
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Re: Jason Priester of a Clemson sports site says it appears BIG10 is..
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Re: Jason Priester of a Clemson sports site says it appears BIG10 is..
Mar 5, 2023, 3:50 PM
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Yeah. I’d rather be able to drive to Wake and Duke than fly to Ann Arbor and Columbus.
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Re: Jason Priester of a Clemson sports site says it appears BIG10 is..
Mar 5, 2023, 6:25 PM
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And all the way to lost angels.
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Re: Jason Priester of a Clemson sports site says it appears BIG10 is..
Mar 5, 2023, 7:54 PM
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I was being sarcastic. There are a few decent ACC venues for road games, but there are some pathetic ones as well. And the ACC has nothing that remotely compares to OSU, UM, and USC.
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Re: Jason Priester of a Clemson sports site says it appears BIG10 is..
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Why would tw0 AAU members & better academic institutions...
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than Clemson care to sully themselves in the SEC? The two recent additions to the B1G, USC & UCLA, both proud members of AAU.
There are five current AAU members in the ACC, UNC, UVA, Duke, Pitt & Georgia Tech.
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Good, still does not answer the question.***
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If you're saying that you think UVA and UNC would prefer
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the Big Ten over the SEC, I think that's true.
I am a bit perplexed at why members of the AAU work so hard to convince everyone that it is the gold standard of academic quality in higher learning. I had this discussion with Big Ten and Maryland fans when they were joining the Big Ten. All anyone could come with was 1) they can share resources (anyone can share resources) and 2) if you don't get it, I can't help you. Well alright then.
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Simply following the OP notion that if Clemson were...
Mar 7, 2023, 1:17 PM
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to move preferentially in an effort to "protect" its academic reputation, then why not afford UNC & UVA the same?
AAU is a club and like many, they've shown an urgency to stick together. They've some fabulous academic members.
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Re: Jason Priester of a Clemson sports site says it appears BIG10 is..
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I know the majority here will not like it but academics matters to the ACC schools and the BIG makes the most sense. Before the BIG took USC and UCLA I could have seen these combos based solely on academics - which let’s face it does not matter to the $EC. Now it seems the BIG is going west so I don’t know if the ACC makes sense anymore.
BIG - some combination of Clemson, FSU, UNC or Duke, UVA, GT, Miami
$EC - gets the ACC leftovers - NC State, VT, and whoever else the BIG doesn’t want.
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Re: Jason Priester of a Clemson sports site says it appears BIG10 is..
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Sounds good to me. I think of Virginia and the NC wine and cheesers as more of a natural B10 fit though. I'm with Dabo. I hope the whole thing gets blown to bits and we just start over.
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Re: Jason Priester of a Clemson sports site says it appears BIG10 is..
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I hope Jason Priester has no clue what he’s talking about. Further proof that Ohio wants to be SC. Let them come here but I could care less about going up there.
Give me SEC all day over that.
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Re: Jason Priester of a Clemson sports site says it appears BIG10 is..
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I watched the video too and while it all made sense, Priester also warned how hard it would be to get out of the ACC. $120 million buyout plus loss of TV rights for many years. In addition, he says it will be 3 to 4 years before anything happens.
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Re: Jason Priester of a Clemson sports site says it appears BIG10 is..
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The Big Ten only goes after AAU schools. The ACC AAU schools are UNC, Pitt, Duke, GT and UVA. I can see them going after UNC and UVA. I can see why Clemson would rather go to the Big Ten because it provides the money with a little easier strength of schedule than the SEC. Ultimately, I see the Big Ten adding Notre Dame and another Pac 12 team like Oregon (AAU). If the SEC does expand, I see them going after the bigger state universities like UNC and UVA. That would give the SEC a school in every state in the southeastern quadrant of united states.
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Well you just shot a hole in your own argument
Mar 5, 2023, 4:18 PM
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ND is not an AAU school
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Re: Well you just shot a hole in your own argument
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I understand it isn't a popular move (If it is even real) but the money haul is going to be unreal for the B1G in the near future...Right now each B1G school gets around 50 million a year...it is going up to 60 per & in 2025 roughly 100 million a year per school.
PS... If Clemson visits C-bus I am an hour away 👍🏻
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Re: Well you just shot a hole in your own argument
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For the mere reason that Clemson would no longer be in espn network is reason enough for me to be excited!
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State pop isn’t market- not based on tv sets in a
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state like 25 years ago. Clemson draws eyeballs nationally - the tv #s prove that out. Everything is about steaming and brand.
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Re: Jason Priester of a Clemson sports site says it appears BIG10 is..
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What about the supposed Iron Clad contract All ACC teams are locked into until sometime around 2036 ? Not sure of exact year. How does Clemson get out of that ??
When all of the conference realignments, big TV contracts , with increased expenses to maintain current and new facilities, the TP, NIL and the weak spineless irrelevant NCAA being reactionary rather than being progressive for so many years it has put many college football programs in financial peril. When FSU airs their financial grievances then brings Clemson into the conversation, it makes you wonder if the ### is about to bust ???
Do you think any of the NC schools could survive in the SEC or the Big 10. ??? What value would they add ?? Beside a huge entrance fee.
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Re: Jason Priester of a Clemson sports site says it appears BIG10 is..
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I like the B1G or the SEC. Having Bama and Texas in the same conference should be interesting seeing they both think they should run the conference. Well we will give Texas a few years to bring that same Big12 mentality to the SEC. I have always believed they both think they are God’s gift to college football.
On the academic side I do believe we should aspire to be higher than what the SEC offers minus Vanderbilt.
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Re: Jason Priester of a Clemson sports site says it appears BIG10 is..
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Both conferences get a lot of media love. It’s a win for Clemson either way.
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Re: Jason Priester of a Clemson sports site says it appears BIG10 is..
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With Texas, the SEC has the same number of AAU schools as the ACC.
ACC: Duke, GT, Pitt, UNC and UVA
SEC: Mizzou, Texas A&M, Texas, Florida and Vandy
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Re: Jason Priester of a Clemson sports site says it appears BIG10 is..
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The ACC non-AAU schools are also top academics (check the figures for Wake, Syracuse, BC) ... and I don't know how NCSU is not AAU (they are a huge research engine). They may not generate the research dollars but I'd put Wake and BC against any BIG 10 school in the classroom.
Read President Clements email from last week. He points to Clemson Elevate 2023. Elevate's mission is to be in the AAU. Read the tea leaves/follow the money.
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Absolutely no interest in seeing us play 99% of the Big Ten
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Outside of Penn ST, OSU, and maybe Michigan....id rather watch paint dry than us play the other no names.
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Re: Absolutely no interest in seeing us play 99% of the Big Ten
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Goes to show you that dude knows nothing about the SEC. NO ONE would vote against you to join. The individual schools do what is best for the conference. If the league office wants you then it would be a 100 percent vote of yes.
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Logistics Nightmare: BIG
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Football is actually the easiest sport from a logistics perspective. Think of all the other sports and turn it around.....are 14/16 schools going to be willing to build 100s of trips (in aggregate) to South Carolina into their calendars? Travel to GSP is rarely direct and a trip to SC would most likely require a 2-night stay in hotels. Adding another current ACC member, like FSU, would only double the problem.
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Re: Jason Priester of a Clemson sports site says it appears BIG10 is..
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Our best situation would be to have the ACC become more revelant as a football conference. However, for that to happen ND would need to come in along with a Texas school and maybe OK State. The key is ND. I would put the pressure on them to join all sports or none at all.
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Re: Jason Priester of a Clemson sports site says it appears BIG10 is..
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If we are working on and can get AAU membership, I would prefer the B1G. New teams to play and any team they have is as good as or better than Duke, Wake, BC and Syracuse. I don’t like to drive long trips anymore, so don’t mind flying.
Does anyone know if we are working on AAU membership?
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Re: Jason Priester of a Clemson sports site says it appears BIG10 is..
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I think it’s fine being the only team from the south In the conference would be a plus. Clemson would reap the benefits regarding recruiting in the Midwest. With the exception of Ohio State by far the most athletic team. The money is insane something the ACC will never be able to match.
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IMHO Jason is wrong. Conferences and their sponsors (TV networks & advertisers) want TV viewers more than new states.
That said, a B1G offer is the gate way to an SEC offer. The SEC does not want the B1G to have a dominant southern team in their backyard with recruiting and publicity.
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Oculus Spirit [90770]
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^ Brilliant statement SocMan2..
Mar 5, 2023, 10:59 PM
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SEC wouldn't want a BIG10 Team, like CLEMSON, in their backyard and get the press & recruits..
especially when we whip their tailss 7 out of every 10 games!
Plus, SEC commissioner would tell SC not to veto our invite or he'd consider expelling them for being one of their weakest links.
LOL~
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Re: Jason Priester of a Clemson sports site says it appears BIG10 is..
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Mar 5, 2023, 11:24 PM
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there still has to be something done about this "GRANT of RIGHTS" bullcrap - - who the heck signed that anyway? I watched a video of a FSU guy touting the concept of FSU and Clemson teaming up to basically put a coalition together that could 'dissolve' the ACC as-is, allowing Clemson/FSU to seek their best deal while subsidizing those in the coalition that didn't get an improved deal from where they were in the ACC - - i.e. if boston college ended up somewhere that didn't improve their revenues, Clemson and FSU would subsidize (we do it already anyway) until 2036 as incentive for that school to stay in the "disband the acc" coalition.
romantically - - yes, would LOVE to join that mean/tough SEC with their southern saturday football atmospheres. In the end, if we do go Big10 - -then so be it, their big boys only play 1 or 2 (Penn State, Ohio State and Michigan) tough games a year, the rest are tune ups and occasionally a Wisconsin or Purdue has a decent team.
I really think the ACC commish is just playing texas holdem and he's got a 4 and 5 unsuited...but is all in just because he can't show weakness. If I was him, I would try to figure out how to preserve the foundation of the ACC, let Clemson, FSU, Miami and whomever walk - and just focus on being a basketball conference.
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Interesting.***
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Mar 6, 2023, 7:22 AM
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Scar in no way could veto. What the SEC
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Mar 6, 2023, 10:01 AM
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office wants, they get. Just like aTm couldn't veto Texas, and aTm has a lot more sway than little Scar.
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Re: Scar in no way could veto. What the SEC
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Mar 6, 2023, 10:32 AM
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Just to ease your mind after Texas and OU come into the league it would take FIVE no votes to keep anyone out. Right now it is four schools voting no. There you go. No one school can buck you from coming. If the SEC office wants you then you will get a 100% yes vote. In the end we all pull together. Thats why the SEC is number one in attendance and number one in media viewership. It is not a league of infighting. Come on over!!
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Re: Scar in no way could veto. What the SEC
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Mar 6, 2023, 10:40 AM
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ESPN will make the call for additional SEC schools. If they are willing to increase the payout, then you will see a unanimous vote from the schools. None of them will accept less money. Clemson and FSU would be great additions to the SEC. The games would be awesome. Their recent additions were 1990, 2012, and 2022.
New additions now would be kinda close to the previous one, but ESPN will make the call if the $$ is there.
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Re: Jason Priester of a Clemson sports site says it appears BIG10 is..
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Mar 6, 2023, 10:35 AM
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I would rather be in the SEC but the B1G would be fine if a few other southeast schools go with us.
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Doesn’t matter to me, long as we get off this sinking ship.***
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Mar 6, 2023, 10:44 AM
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The SEC would say to heck with that.
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Mar 7, 2023, 11:15 AM
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There’s no way they want Clemson & Florida St in the Big 10.
We’ll be in the SEC.
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Re: Jason Priester of a Clemson sports site says it appears BIG10 is..
Mar 7, 2023, 11:18 AM
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Academically, a better fit. Culturally..........not so much.
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If TAMU couldn't veto Texas....the coots sure ain't gonna be
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Mar 7, 2023, 11:19 AM
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able to veto us.
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Most of these people make crap up and don’t know
Mar 7, 2023, 12:53 PM
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what they are talking about. Conferences are going away for the big boys and we are heading toward two NFL type leagues(24-32 teams each).
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Never have understood why anyone gives a rip about the rest
Mar 7, 2023, 1:58 PM
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of the schools academic reputation?? This is about atheletics, mostly football!! I would hate to be in the Big 10 personally.
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Re: Never have understood why anyone gives a rip about the rest
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Mar 7, 2023, 6:31 PM
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If you have for example, a granddaughter playing volleyball or softball, traveling to an away game would take a major investment of time and/or money. You could make several ACC or SEC games, the Midwest or pacific coast is a haul.
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