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Jack Leggett (long)
Apr 28, 2012, 12:34 AM
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Let me first say that I am positive and optimistic Clemson fan 99% of the time. Especially when I comes to football because I think we are in the process of building a more consistent program. But I have been done with Jack Leggett and the baseball program for a couple years now. I'm tired of him living off of his "success" in the 90's and early 2000s. (I say "success" because sure we had a winning program, went to Omaha regularly, but couldn't get over the hump. Sure you can say that this is the first really "bad" year that we have had, but that's because this has been building for a few years now.
First of all I am sick of the recruiting done by Leggett and crew. He comes from the north east (Maine to be exact) so of course he recruits that area. He also heavily recruits GA and FL. For several years he over-looked the talent that was coming out of our own state. Currently only 9 of 33 players on the roster are from SC. Now we can't get the best players in the state because if you're a good player and want to stay within the state, where would you go? (Unless you were a die-hard Tiger) You would go to Columbia where a real baseball coach is in charge. Am I the only one tired of seeing home-grown SC talent go to Columbia only to beat our *** during the season and in Omaha? Players that grew up playing AAU, high school, and legion baseball in the state of SC and Leggett just ignoring them for the large part. Not only does the lack of quality players from our area drive me crazy but also the guys he targets. Please stop recruiting almost all 5'11 180 guys and go after some big hitters, homers and doubles guys. I hate this prototypical 'baseball player' that he thinks is the only answer. Your style of baseball is clearly not working. All season we have been losing games and leaving people on base because all the small guys get out there and then we only have like 2 big bats to clear the bases in those situations.
What really got me going tonight was obviously the loss to Tech. I am actually friends with Daniel Palka (the guy who got hit a double in the ninth to set up the tie game, and then hit the walk-off to win). I played AAU with him for 2 years when we were 14-15 years old. Guess what? He is from the state of SC.. Not saying we ever had a chance with him, just making the point that players from our state are beating us.
I love Clemson University (student here now) and am very loyal overall. But I cannot handle the recruiting methods and style of baseball that are currently in place with the program.
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Re: Jack Leggett (long)
Apr 28, 2012, 7:47 AM
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If you really knew Palka,you would know that we recruited him,he committed to us , and then decided to go to tech. I was involved with my son in AAU,USSSA, and the best players are not in SC. Most come from Florida, as it is a big state and they can play all year long.And as for tanner, if you knew his recruiting antics, you would not let your son ever play for him. So if that is your opinion, fine, but get your facts straight about recruiting.
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Re: Jack Leggett (long)
Apr 28, 2012, 8:46 AM
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> And as for tanner, if you knew his
> recruiting antics, you would not let your son ever
> play for him. So if that is your opinion, fine, but
> get your facts straight about recruiting.
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Re: Jack Leggett (long)
Apr 28, 2012, 9:26 AM
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There are some good points here. Leggett has not been able to recruit for what ever reason. This story has been building for years! When K. O'Sulivan left this program has been on a decline. PC, Maine, Coastal Carolina, Western Carolina...really?
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That is not a very good defense for
Apr 28, 2012, 9:44 AM
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Jack if he recruited him, he committed, and then changed his mind.
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Re: Jack Leggett (long)
Apr 28, 2012, 10:41 AM
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Seems like the better players ARE playing for Tanner so what's your point? He sure is kicking our butts EVERY FREAKING YEAR!
Stop excusing Jack for the piss-poor job he has done for the last 4-5 years. Maybe you and other Jack supporters are fans of mediocrity but I'm not, especially in baseball.
He's the Head Coach, the program is a shell of what it used to be, connect the dots.....
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Re: Jack Leggett (long)
Apr 28, 2012, 12:25 PM
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I don't care if you believe me or not about knowing Palka. I don't know what reason I would have to make that up, but I spoke to him last night after the game and congratulated him. But are you trying to defend Jack by saying we almost got Palka? Dabo almost gets a lot of big names. He almost got Clowney, Todd Gurley, and Keith Marshall, as we were among their top schools. He almost got Cassanova McKinzy, but we didn't have a Chic-fil-a on campus.. The point is we don't tally up the recruits we almost get, we count the guys that actually put a Tiger uniform.
Secondly, I never said that the best recruits in the country come from SC. If he is recruiting top talent that show up and win it really doesn't matter. BUT, when USC has twice as many players from the state (18 to be exact) and are back to back national champions I believe that shows that there is indeed some talent right here in the state. USC also had 17 in state players in 2010 and 16 in 2011. So again, I'm not saying that the best players all come from SC. But when Jack over-looks/ignores them with his recruiting methods only to go turn around and get beat by many of those same guys? He's got to get a clue..
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Re: Jack Leggett (long)
Apr 28, 2012, 7:45 PM
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Check tanner's starters.1 SC player,so your point is wrong.
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Re: Jack Leggett (long)
Apr 28, 2012, 9:44 PM
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Every day starters Tanner has been using 4 SC natives most of the year. Pankake SS, English LF, Matthews RF and Greiner C. BTW talk of getting rid of Leggett is crazy guy is one of the best 10 coaches in the country not sure how you could upgrade!
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2008 was a bad year also.***
Apr 28, 2012, 8:48 AM
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Re: Jack Leggett (long)
Apr 28, 2012, 9:06 AM
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Exactly...For the past 5 years recruiting talent has dropped for the baseball program & we do not have the ball players who can just go out & win ball games because we have the best talent on the field. That is why we have loss so many mid-week games in the last few years which we should have won. But the terrible coaching last night by Leggett in not pulling Firth out of the game & letting him blow that game after getting a 3 run homer in the 9th is not acceptable...A lack of coaching which is becoming more & more evident from Jack over the past few seasons...Go Tigers!!!
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Re: Jack Leggett (long)
Apr 28, 2012, 9:09 AM
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wonderful post! agree!! Jack must go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Jack Leggett (long)
Apr 28, 2012, 9:55 AM
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Jack is not going anywhere, all your rants only hurt the program when players read this junk.Tthis kind of talk is only making you feel good, and not the players on this team. They do read this junk.
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Holding onto Jack is hurting the program.***
Apr 28, 2012, 11:19 AM
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Re: Holding onto Jack is hurting the program.***
Apr 28, 2012, 11:20 AM
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Even worse, the moderators continuing to allow you access to this board is hurting Tigernet
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but you gotta admit
Apr 28, 2012, 11:48 AM
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when blue caddy and some of the other clowns fail to show up ...you can always count on this bozo
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Re: but you gotta admit
Apr 28, 2012, 12:23 PM
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blue_caddy and lowcountry raconteur are the same individual
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Re: Holding onto Jack is hurting the program.***
Apr 28, 2012, 1:39 PM
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ABSOLUTELY!!!! and the longer we keep Jack we will continue to go downhill and fall more behind good programs!!we have been is steady decline since 2002 and Jack has done nothing to "right the ship".. I also understand that he has problems that others(namely Tanner) don`t have... Tanner can do anything and get ANYONE admitted to school and use "other things" that jack can`t (and should not use) but still these are not new problems!!
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Give the guy a break....
Apr 28, 2012, 10:04 AM
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IF you have several years of losing baseball, then you might have a point. But a "bad year" is not several years. He is only a couple players away from having a GREAT team. I think Clemson was in the Championship game just like 2 years a go... with the same coaching staff....
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We have never made the championship game in Omaha
Apr 28, 2012, 11:16 AM
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Jack is 0-4 vs. Tanner/usc with only 1 win needed to be in the championship game.
We've only been to the CWS 4 times in the last 15 years. That is NOT top tier or elite status baseball.
We are looking at possibly not winning 40 games this year, which is lousy and will be the 2nd time in 10 years not winning 40 if it happens.
The program does not suck, but it has fallen quite a bit. And continues to slowly decline. Where schools screw up is they hang on to coaches too long out of loyalty, see FSU/Bobby Bowden, and by the time they do fire a coach it's too late. The damage is done. Not only are there very few great coaches out there, but there are even fewer that can rebuild a broken program. Folks on TNET always want to hold onto coaches until it is obvious to even a fool or blind man that things are broken. That is so much harder to recover from. I wish you folks would learn this.
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Re: We have never made the championship game in Omaha
Apr 28, 2012, 1:11 PM
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LMAO not top tier NAME 10 -15 schools that go every 4 years since 87 every Senior has gone to a college ws if they have stayed in school that is remarkable
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Re:We are paying too much to be giving breaks. Give us
Apr 28, 2012, 1:04 PM
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what we are paying for.
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do you think fsu was a little miffed when a kid from
Apr 28, 2012, 10:05 AM
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tallahassee put their qb out for the remainder of the season?
or when spiller put up a record that same night against them?
nobody complained when coach wilhelm recruited from around the states and he did it a lot as well.
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Re: Leggett is not Wilhelm and never will be.***
Apr 28, 2012, 1:06 PM
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Re: Leggett is not Wilhelm and never will be.***
Apr 28, 2012, 1:15 PM
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bill wilhelm brought baseball to the acc and to usc. once he started kicking everyones ##### they started taking the game more serious. when willhelm was coaching the acc was pathetic. coach leggett now has to deal with 5 or 6 top 15 teams every year.
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Re I know 1. We don't have the facilities, 2. Bats are wrong
Apr 28, 2012, 1:31 PM
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and 3. Competition is so much better. No. 4??
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Re: Re I know 1. We don't have the facilities, 2. Bats are wrong
Apr 28, 2012, 1:36 PM
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no. 4 we have some of the worst fans known to man.
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Re: I agree and Goober Roberts is one of the worst. Cannot
Apr 28, 2012, 1:38 PM
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accept reality.
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Re: I agree and Goober Roberts is one of the worst. Cannot
Apr 28, 2012, 1:40 PM
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reality is every senior baseball player to play under jack leggett has gone to omaha. please find me another program that can say that.
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Re: He has not done squat for the last two years.***
Apr 28, 2012, 1:41 PM
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nope, never said he was
Apr 28, 2012, 3:16 PM
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but he was hand picked by coach wilhelm.
i simply pointed out people were bashing leggett for something coach wilhelm did as well.
keep it simple; just hate on the performance if that's your thing.
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Agree that talent has been lacking and Jack has the wrong
Apr 28, 2012, 10:09 AM
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approach in trying to win with "small ball." But, I don't really care if we have more SC players or fewer. I just want to win. I don't care if they come from SC, GA, Maine, or Mars. They can all come from out of SC if we win the CWS. That said, if your point is that Jack is overlooking some very skilled players that we would have a great chance of landing, then I agree wholeheartedly.
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Re: Agree that talent has been lacking and Jack has the wrong
Apr 28, 2012, 2:14 PM
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The level of ignorance on this board is mind boggling. If you had any knowledge of college baseball you would realize that Tanner, Garrido, Corbin, O'Connor, etc. ALL are "small ball" coaches. In fact, with the new bats that's the direction most teams are headed.
>Agree that talent has been lacking and Jack has the wrong
> approach in trying to win with "small ball."
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Re: Jack Leggett (long)
Apr 28, 2012, 10:50 AM
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> Let me first say that I am positive and optimistic
> Clemson fan 99% of the time. Especially when I comes
> to football because I think we are in the process of
> building a more consistent program. But I have been
> done with Jack Leggett and the baseball program for a
> couple years now. I'm tired of him living off of his
> "success" in the 90's and early 2000s. (I say
> "success" because sure we had a winning program, went
> to Omaha regularly, but couldn't get over the hump.
> Sure you can say that this is the first really "bad"
> year that we have had, but that's because this has
> been building for a few years now.
> First of all I am sick of the recruiting done by
> Leggett and crew. He comes from the north east (Maine
> to be exact) so of course he recruits that area. He
> also heavily recruits GA and FL. For several years he
> over-looked the talent that was coming out of our own
> state. Currently only 9 of 33 players on the roster
> are from SC. Now we can't get the best players in the
> state because if you're a good player and want to
> stay within the state, where would you go? (Unless
> you were a die-hard Tiger) You would go to Columbia
> where a real baseball coach is in charge. Am I the
> only one tired of seeing home-grown SC talent go to
> Columbia only to beat our *** during the season and
> in Omaha? Players that grew up playing AAU, high
> school, and legion baseball in the state of SC and
> Leggett just ignoring them for the large part. Not
> only does the lack of quality players from our area
> drive me crazy but also the guys he targets. Please
> stop recruiting almost all 5'11 180 guys and go after
> some big hitters, homers and doubles guys. I hate
> this prototypical 'baseball player' that he thinks is
> the only answer. Your style of baseball is clearly
> not working. All season we have been losing games and
> leaving people on base because all the small guys get
> out there and then we only have like 2 big bats to
> clear the bases in those situations.
>
> What really got me going tonight was obviously the
> loss to Tech. I am actually friends with Daniel Palka
> (the guy who got hit a double in the ninth to set up
> the tie game, and then hit the walk-off to win). I
> played AAU with him for 2 years when we were 14-15
> years old. Guess what? He is from the state of SC..
> Not saying we ever had a chance with him, just making
> the point that players from our state are beating
> us.
>
> I love Clemson University (student here now) and am
> very loyal overall. But I cannot handle the
> recruiting methods and style of baseball that are
> currently in place with the program.
O the Irony
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Re: Jack Leggett (long)***
Apr 28, 2012, 10:56 AM
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"But I have been done with Jack Leggett and the baseball program for a couple years now."
O the Irony
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So this "bad" year from Leggett is going to end up
Apr 28, 2012, 12:31 PM
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with most likely a 2 seed in a regional. Good luck finding another coach that can do that.
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Re: Jack Leggett is being overpaid. Plus, he has got lazy
Apr 28, 2012, 1:01 PM
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or, else, he has lost ability to sign good players. May be a combination of the two. Clemson can not longer afford these type of individuals. Either get the job done or get out of Dodge.
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Re: Jack Leggett is being overpaid. Plus, he has got lazy
Apr 28, 2012, 1:11 PM
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uh he just hired one of the best young recruiters in the country. maybe you should check out the next 2 classes. or you can just keep complaining like i know you will
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Baseball recruiting is a tricky game
Apr 28, 2012, 1:32 PM
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First, there are so many players that you want to recruit, and sometime get a commitment from, that end up going pro instead of college. A great recruiting class can be ruined by just a couple of your best commitments going pro. That's one hell of a chess match to play when you are filling your team's needs.
Second, more talent comes out of the greater Atlanta area than the entire state of South Carolina. The Braves pick player after player after player from ATL in their drafts. Florida also has incredible talent. Why not go after those kids instead of focusing solely on SC kids?
I think a lot of fans think that college baseball should be played like MLB. That's like trying to compare playing styles of college football offenses and NFL offenses. The fielding is much, much weaker in college baseball and Leggett tries to play to that as much as possible. Most years it works. This year, well, the team just isn't executing. I'll chalk this year up to a bad season, but I don't see this "steady decline" that some keep talking about. We had years in the early 2000's where we were #1 for most of the season. Is that the expectation every year? No coach is going to give you 50 wins every year. I don't care who you hire.
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Re A college coach has to prepare for this contingencies
Apr 28, 2012, 1:37 PM
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are he is going to have his butt between a rock and a hard place. That is where Jack is at.
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Re: these***
Apr 28, 2012, 1:39 PM
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Re: Baseball recruiting is a tricky game
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yes it is! and I know that jack has lots of obstacles to over come that Tanner does not have.. BUT, none of us want Clemson to REDUCE our academics to the level of the dirty c$$ts! However, UVA,UNC and Tech have these same academic requirements and the are doing much better.
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Re: Jack Leggett (long)
Apr 28, 2012, 2:28 PM
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> He
> also heavily recruits GA and FL.
You do realize that East Cobb, the hotbed of talent on the east coast, is as close to Clemson as most of SC?
> drive me crazy but also the guys he targets. Please
> stop recruiting almost all 5'11 180 guys and go after
> some big hitters, homers and doubles guys.
Again, if you followed college baseball you would know that SC's run started when their HR production went down and they started playing more small ball. And the Prototypical player you criticize is the one that everyone is going after because of the BBCOR bats. Things have changed since your career mercifully ended.
> What really got me going tonight was obviously the
> loss to Tech. I am actually friends with Daniel Palka
> (the guy who got hit a double in the ninth to set up
> the tie game, and then hit the walk-off to win). I
> played AAU with him for 2 years when we were 14-15
> years old. Guess what?
Ah, there it is. Momma and Daddy wasted all that money for you to play travel ball and no one would recruit you. If you were truly friends with Palka you would know that Clemson, USC, and everyone else went after him hot and heavy. He committed to Clemson, decommited, re-committed, and then de-committed again. (Per his travel coach). But somehow you didn't know about any of that. Doesn't say much for your credibility.
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Re: Jack Leggett (long)
Apr 28, 2012, 3:12 PM
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First of all, if you can't agree that Jack has been lacking in recruiting the last several years you must live in a cave. I don't give a **** where he recruits.. You guys have blown this whole 'players from SC' thing out of proportion. I'm just saying that he HAS passed on players that can obviously produce.
Second of all, you don't know anything about me. No I wasn't good enough to play D1 baseball. I'm not pissed at Leggett because of that. Tanner wasn't calling me either and I don't have anything against him. I was recruited by a couple D2 schools and played at Erskine College 2 years before transferring to Clemson. So yea I know all about BBCOR bats, I've played with them and I'm fairly sure you have not. I know the effect they have had on the game and overall power numbers. I know that the game is more small ball oriented as of late. But the new bats is not an excuse. Everyone in the country is playing with the bats. There are still guys out there capable of hitting doubles and homers with BBCOR bats whether you know it or not.
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Re. You are right.***
Apr 28, 2012, 4:33 PM
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Re: Jack Leggett (long)
Apr 28, 2012, 7:49 PM
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Everybody plays at erskine. they recruit 40 players a year,WOW!
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Letterman [281]
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Re: Jack Leggett (long)
Apr 28, 2012, 10:17 PM
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Yeah, their roster is usually around 60 or so. Talk about a cattle call.
> Everybody plays at erskine. they recruit 40 players a
> year,WOW!
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Amateur [36]
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Get off Jack's
Apr 28, 2012, 9:07 PM
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Case. He is a good coach who is having one off year in the last decade. Give the guy a break. He doesn't have the best team apart from Schafer. Clemson will be back competing soon enough.
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Re: Get off Jack's
Apr 29, 2012, 12:13 AM
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one off year?
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Amateur [36]
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Re: Re: Get off Jack's
Apr 29, 2012, 11:00 AM
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Jack is the winningest coach that that CU has on its campus. Yeah, I'd say he deserves a little pull room.
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