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Orange Blooded [3742]
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J. Scott will go down as the biggest staff loss we've had
Jun 7, 2022, 3:05 PM
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As hard as I thought it would be to replace Venables, I've recently discovered that Wes was really sort of the secret sauce to BV's success. I think we'll be fine at D-Coord. Elliot was solid, but his playcalling got stale and the RBs were by far the best offensive unit on the team with Spiller coaching them up even after Elliot moved to coach TEs. I think he's replaceable. People were wanting new blood at the OL coaching job. It'll be interesting to see if people appreciate Caldwell more once he's gone. Bates had the best group on the team. There's so much talent there, I don't think any new person could mess that group up even if they tried.
Since Jeff Scott left, our Offensive production has gotten worse and WR recruiting and production has taken a severe hit even if you factor in injuries. I think he was the most valuable guy of all the staffers we've lost in recent years.
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He'll be available soon.
Jun 7, 2022, 3:12 PM
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Scott's just aren't HC material. Not a bad thing. Just reality.
Brad 0.420 winning pctg over 5 seasons.
Jeff currently at 0.143
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Re: J. Scott will go down as the biggest staff loss we've had
Jun 7, 2022, 3:12 PM
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This is facts! I've been wanting to post something like this but I get called a loser coot every time I post even though my blood has been orange since before I was born. I agree 100% I posted if Grisham was a good fit. I'm not concerned with his coaching ability, he's probably one of the better technical players to come through Clemson, however, can he land big recruits like Tee Higgins, Rodgers, Ross, ect.
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Re: J. Scott will go down as the biggest staff loss we've had
Jun 7, 2022, 5:21 PM
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I posted the same thing two weeks ago and got thumbed down for it. There’s not many on here who can have a debatable conversation about coaches and players.
If you’re not posting about Clemson rainbows and unicorns you are a coot per many on Tigernet.
Go Tigers, Crush the yellow Jackets!
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Some people here just can’t handle any opinions that aren’t rosy about football.
Jun 8, 2022, 8:48 AM
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I’ve been a Clemson fan my whole life, and posted here over 20,000 times since I joined in 2003, and I’ve been accused of hating the football program, Dabo, and even Clemson University. Recently I’ve been called a coot.
It’s amazing to me why people visit a message board if they aren’t able to read other opinions.
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…and here’s a comment that Judge K won’t see…
Jun 8, 2022, 9:44 AM
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He blocked me because he got tired of my opposing viewpoints. LOL
What a hypocrite.
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Re: …and here’s a comment that Judge K won’t see…
Jun 8, 2022, 9:54 AM
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Judge Keller® Blocked you because your comments suck. Not simply because you have opposing view points
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110%er [9720]
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You continue to display your intelligence.
Jun 8, 2022, 10:00 AM
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Nice job.
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Re: Some people here just can’t handle any opinions that aren’t rosy about football.
Jun 8, 2022, 12:57 PM
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You sir are a lot of the reason people become disinterested and irritated. You are a keyboard warrior. All loud, obnoxious, chastising and such, deep from the safety of Internet nether regions. And yes you’ve spent a great portion of your life since 2003 proving this point. Keep floundering away. Message does not equal opinion but you may not understand that distinction. I am glad to see that you decided to pay to be the board genius, though.
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You’ve made slightly more than 100 posts in the four and a half years
Jun 8, 2022, 10:43 PM
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you’ve been a member here. That’s an average of about two posts per month.
I’m honored that you decided to use one of your two posts this month to talk about me.
P.S. You should join TigerNet and support the site.
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Re: J. Scott will go down as the biggest staff loss we've had
Jun 7, 2022, 5:27 PM
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With your post count, and looking at your pulse, and it would be in your best interest if you're not a loser coot, is to just read wayyyy more than you post!!!!
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You Tell em u7c coot, no one knows losing more than you
Jun 8, 2022, 8:10 AM
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Re: You Tell em u7c coot, no one knows losing more than you
Jun 8, 2022, 8:50 AM
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Such a passive aggressive jackazz.***
Jun 8, 2022, 12:24 PM
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Re: J. Scott will go down as the biggest staff loss we've had
Jun 8, 2022, 9:52 AM
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One of the biggest issues I’ve seen is the lack WR talent in SC and surrounding states in the last few years. FL seems to have a decent amount. Scott was good in the state of FL. But yes if we need to do better with WR recruiting
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Freshman [-79]
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Not facts. It's unsubstantiated opinion.
Jun 8, 2022, 12:20 PM
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Again, we had the most productive passing offense in Clemson history in Grisham's first year. In this 2nd year, we had the worst QB year since Kyle Parker under Billy Napier.
Go ahead, have a baseless opinion, but stop pretending it has a basis in anything.
Again, the only objective fact we have on it is Grisham leading the most productive receiving group in the history of Clemson football, and that was after losing Tee Higgins to the NFL and Justyn Ross to injury.
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Re: J. Scott will go down as the biggest staff loss we've had
Jun 7, 2022, 3:36 PM
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Well we now know he wasn't the heir head coach in waiting... he's had a pretty dismal record at USF... if he was so good that offense would be a powerhorse... and its not.
I like Jeff Scott but his record speaks for itself.
I like where we are.
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Re: J. Scott will go down as the biggest staff loss we've had
Jun 7, 2022, 3:39 PM
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He will probably be gone next year. Wonder if we will try to get him back ? He was an excellent recruiting coordinator.
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Write it down - you couldn't be further from the truth
Jun 7, 2022, 4:00 PM
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about Jeff Scott & USF.
Even if he doesn't win a single game next year - he will be back.
But he's gonna win some games.
If he doesn't win a single game this year and he only wins one or 2 games the NEXT year, he will be back.
Write it down.
He's the guy, he's head coaching material, he's loved in Tampa . . . . if NIL doesn't kill everything but the big boys, he's gonna be a GREAT hire for the Bulls.
And he was a BIG loss for us and our staff - no doubt.
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Re: J. Scott will go down as the biggest staff loss we've had
Jun 7, 2022, 4:33 PM
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Jeff Scott was one of the best recruiters we've ever had at Clemson. I can remember many of our top players saying that he recruited them, also how great he was as both a person and recruiter.
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Re: J. Scott will go down as the biggest staff loss we've had
Jun 7, 2022, 3:36 PM
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Also with Grisham last season our receivers had 30 drops. That's an unacceptable number. Idk what the numbers were under JS but I know that last season was one of the worst I've seen from our WR's
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Marlborocountycoot = ClemsonAlum1987 = coltdizzle
Jun 7, 2022, 7:13 PM
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You Tell em u7c coot, no one knows losing more than you
Jun 8, 2022, 8:11 AM
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Definitely think losing Scott was more "detrimental" than...
Jun 7, 2022, 3:54 PM
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originally expected when it happened.
-WRs
-Recruiting
-and the "Co" part of "Tony Elliott's offense"
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Re: J. Scott will go down as the biggest staff loss we've had
Jun 7, 2022, 3:59 PM
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Losing Jeff was a big deal, especially when you add we lost Brad too
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Re: J. Scott will go down as the biggest staff loss we've had
Jun 7, 2022, 4:25 PM
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I would want to get the heck out of USF with their best conference rivals going to the Big 12 seems like the AAC is falling even a further notch behind.
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Re: J. Scott will go down as the biggest staff loss we've had
Jun 7, 2022, 4:54 PM
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It was not long ago early on in Jeff's tenure that the haters on this very board wanted Jeff fired because they claimed he did not know how to coach WRs. They were adamant is was not up to the job. Then Nuk, Sammy and all the rest arrived and not a peep was heard thereafter. Last year was a difficult year with a ton of moving pieces and most going in the wrong direction. Perhaps a little patience would be great to see if our WRs improve (and we dont have so many injuries).
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I don’t believe anyone ever hated Jeff Scott.***
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Re: J. Scott will go down as the biggest staff loss we've had
Jun 7, 2022, 5:11 PM
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Getting j Scott back would be the best recruiting win in the last 10 years.
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Re: J. Scott will go down as the biggest staff loss we've had
Jun 7, 2022, 5:20 PM
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You might be right, but he's still replaceable.
I agree with everything you said about our WR's, and there's no denying Jeff Scott was a great recruiter. But, great coaches don't stick around forever. Even for Dabo.
I might be ready to throw Grisham under the bus if everyone wasn't injured last year. While Jeff Scott may have been a "secret ingredient" with our offense's, he also wasn't calling plays for some reason.
This is Grisham's year to prove himself. It'll sort itself out, because I doubt Dabo is going to tolerate sloppy WR play forever.
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Re: J. Scott will go down as the biggest staff loss we've had
Jun 7, 2022, 5:21 PM
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I have basically said the same thing on here more than once, and I still say that JS was a huge loss to our WRs group, and WRs knew that. If he fails as a HC in Florida, I pray that Dabo will find a way to get him back to Clemson at any coaching spot, as long as his main job will be coaching, and recruiting our WRs!!!!
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Re: J. Scott will go down as the biggest staff loss we've had
Jun 7, 2022, 5:23 PM
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I don’t want to say that I told you so, but when he left . I posted that he was the most likely coach on the staff to replace Dabo when he moved on . I still believe that will come true one day way down the road.
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Re: J. Scott will go down as the biggest staff loss we've had
Jun 7, 2022, 5:34 PM
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I think that Jeff Scott would be a really good OC, hopefully if Dabo ever gets him back to Clemson, he and Streeter would be better Co OC's than Tony Elliott and Jeff Scott were!!!
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Caldwell was terrible. Our oline only had one consistent year (2018) under his direction...
Jun 8, 2022, 5:33 AM
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By the way Scott was never a play caller. Elliot was the play caller since Chad Morris moved on
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maybe if you are under 40.... olders would say Danny Ford
Jun 8, 2022, 8:14 AM
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ancients would say Pell..
dinosaurs would say Heisman
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It’s an enigma to me why we haven’t recruited better wide receivers recently.
Jun 8, 2022, 8:39 AM
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We have a great history recently of elite wide receivers, including multiple guys in the NFL. We’ve had elite five star QBs to throw them the ball. We’ve played in the playoffs almost every year. Our head coach was a former WR and WR coach.
Jeff Scott was obviously very important, but why the drop off in WR talent recently?
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Well…
Jun 8, 2022, 9:27 AM
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We signed revivers ranked nationally at…
2022: #10, #11, #149
2021: #4, #22, #42
2020: #20, #93
2019: #5, #23, #62
2018: #11
2017: #2, #12
2016: #16, #67, #81
2015: #2, #44, #93
Which years have you concerned, WR recruiting wise?
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Revivers? And don't bother changing it, I already took a
Jun 8, 2022, 9:29 AM
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screen shot.
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That’s code for “receivers” in football coaching circles…
Jun 8, 2022, 9:34 AM
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I’m not surprised you didn’t know that.
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Re: That’s code for “receivers” in football coaching circles…
Jun 8, 2022, 9:47 AM
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Francis Marion®
Anti basketball posts like this will not be tolerated. This is your final warning...
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Have you watched any of our games recently?
Jun 8, 2022, 10:59 AM
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We have receivers who can't run routes consistently, can't catch consistently, and can't block consistently.
Our WRs were a significant reason why our offense was bad last year, and played a role in DJ missing some throws.
You can mention recruiting rankings if you like, but I've learned here that recruiting rankings aren't everything. The talent and skill level of our receivers has dropped off considerably in the last few years.
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You brought up recruiting…
Jun 8, 2022, 11:57 AM
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and talent. Are you suggesting our coaches didn’t teach our WRs proper talent, because according to the rankings, nothing has really changed.
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Recruiting isn't just about star level.
Jun 8, 2022, 12:03 PM
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It's about identifying talent and developing that talent.
We have clearly not had the same caliber of receiver at "WRU" lately, based on their performance on the field.
Do you agree?
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So you misspoke?***
Jun 8, 2022, 12:09 PM
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Do you think we have the same caliber of receiver recently
Jun 8, 2022, 10:46 PM
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compared to when Jeff Scott was here?
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You questioned why we haven’t recruited better at WR…
Jun 8, 2022, 11:37 PM
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and “why the drop off in WR talent recently?”. I provided a list of the WR recruit rankings we’ve brought in going back to 2015 and asked which years you had concerns about. You have failed to answer. I don’t blame you, the numbers don’t support your claim. Maybe you meant production? If that’s what you meant, there are several reasons for the drop off. But according to the recruiting rankings, and more importantly our coach’s evaluations, there hasn’t been a drop off in recruiting. Now you’re back to answering a question with a question. Cool.
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You’re arguing semantics as usual.
Jun 9, 2022, 12:25 AM
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My point, which was clear to everyone else here, is that our wide receivers lately are not of the same caliber as they were a few years ago.
That could be due to recruiting misses, subpar development, poor work ethic on behalf of the players, or a combination of these.
To me, it does not seem that our current WRs are close in talent to elite WRs we have had such as Sammy Watkins, Mike Williams, etc. I don’t need recruiting rankings to tell me that.
Recruiting evaluations are sometimes wrong, which is what I’m going with at this point. Otherwise, we are saying that our coaches aren’t coaching well or our players aren’t playing hard. I don’t think either of those accusations is fair since our players are hard working guys by all indications, and our coaches have won national championships.
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Get out of here with that...
Jun 9, 2022, 8:00 AM
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You questioned recruiting. I asked for a timeline for your concerns. You failed to answer.
Everything else is a vortex you created which overcomplicated the matter. Answer the question, which is fair, or don't, that's all.
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So the Collins kids didn't look phenomenal last year?
Jun 8, 2022, 12:30 PM
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You try way too hard, especially considering you have no clue what you're talking about.
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Re: So the Collins kids didn't look phenomenal last year?
Jun 8, 2022, 2:00 PM
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They looked promising, once developed. Sammy Watkins looked phenomenal his freshman year. Justyn Ross looked phenomenal as a freshman. And do you know what those two have in common that the Collins kids don't? Actual production. They performed as the top play makers on the team. Our play makers were our running backs predominantly all season. WRU is not the same, those of you who say otherwise haven't been watching the same teams I have.
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We barely had a functional QB and ended with the worst
Jun 8, 2022, 3:35 PM
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passing offense in the Swinney era. We were 103rd to be exact, one place AHEAD OF VANDERBILT.
Yet again, the year prior we had the most productive passing offense in the history or Clemson football in Grisham's first year. His second year we had obvious issues at the primary position on the field.
If we had Trevor Lawrence or even the 2020 DJ at QB we would have been right back as one of the leading offenses in the country and a likely playoff team.
Are you dense or do you just get your rocks off pretending to be dense? Either way, you lost this debate yesterday.
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Yet again, you repeat things that show you're complete
Jun 8, 2022, 12:28 PM
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ignorance of the game, things that have been shot down numerous times, and then you make new crap up as you go.
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Re: J. Scott will go down as the biggest staff loss we've had
Jun 8, 2022, 11:03 AM
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Time will tell. Time will tell.
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Re: J. Scott will go down as the biggest staff loss we've had
Jun 8, 2022, 1:02 PM
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Well when you have a DW4 and TL it makes the coaches look better . It all depends on the QB.
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O.K?!!!***
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