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Let me say upfront, I don't know all the details of the Greg
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Let me say upfront, I don't know all the details of the Greg


Jan 31, 2021, 1:34 PM

Marshall situation of what led to his departure from Wichita State and I lazily haven't researched it. But he is a #### good basketball coach. I do know that. Is he too much "damaged goods" to consider pursuing as basketball coach?

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Re: Let me say upfront, I don't know all the details of the Greg


Jan 31, 2021, 1:39 PM

Yes

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Why? Why is it always Greg Marshall?***


Jan 31, 2021, 1:44 PM



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Re: Let me say upfront, I don't know all the details of the Greg


Jan 31, 2021, 1:47 PM



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"All those 'Fire Brownell' guys can kiss it." -Joseph Girard III

"Everybody needs to know that Coach Brownell is arguably the best coach to come through Clemson." -PJ Hall


Re: Let me say upfront, I don't know all the details of the Greg


Jan 31, 2021, 1:51 PM

Too many skeletons in his closest.

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might as well give Bob Knight a ring to gauge his interest***


Jan 31, 2021, 1:52 PM



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Re:might as well give BobKnight a ring to gauge his interest


Jan 31, 2021, 1:57 PM

I expect to hear any day he's gone. Over a year ago he looked awful and frail. I think he is having some health issues

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Re:might as well give BobKnight a ring to gauge his interest


Feb 1, 2021, 2:28 PM

I have a customer who knows Knight on a personal level. Coach Knight is definitely not well.

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Re: Let me say upfront, I don't know all the details of the Greg


Jan 31, 2021, 1:57 PM

1. We currently have a BB coach under contract.

2. When we DO need a coach, why are certain always suggesting those who have fallen from grace or cheated or some other less than honorable decline? Is that our mentality? That we aren't deserving or attractive enough for a reasonable coach to come here? We have money. We are located in a nice area to raise a family. The ACC is supposedly the "SEC" of basketball. Any coach that wants to prove himself a winner should be jumping at the opportunity...should it present itself.

3. I can't think of a 3.

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Absolutely agree!


Jan 31, 2021, 2:04 PM

It’s amazing how much griping and complaining we have here anytime our basketball team faces some adversity. “Brownell is awful!” “We deserve better!” “Clemson should be good at basketball!”

Then we see posts suggesting we hire coaches who have cheated, coaches who have zero experience coaching major basketball, and even former Clemson players who have no significant coaching experience whatsoever.

It’s hilarious reading!

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"All those 'Fire Brownell' guys can kiss it." -Joseph Girard III

"Everybody needs to know that Coach Brownell is arguably the best coach to come through Clemson." -PJ Hall


Maybe its because we "think outside of the box" !


Jan 31, 2021, 2:32 PM

Its EZ to say, why don't we grab the the really successful guy at Pondank U and offer him to take over a program that is not nearly as successful as the one he's currently at ....

Unless you offer him YUGE money, much more than he is currently making ... therefore ...

The guy is going to come from a "small Conference" ... therefore ...

The Liberty guy ! How much do they pay him now ??? will Google ...

Answer ! We can get him for 2M base I bet !

"Liberty head basketball coach Ritchie McKay had base compensation of $564,194 with bonus & incentive compensation of $25,000, retirement and other deferred compensation of $22,137, and nontaxable benefits of $29,102 for a total of $640,433."

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hypothetically, let's say Brownell has to be replaced


Jan 31, 2021, 2:33 PM [ in reply to Absolutely agree! ]

What experienced power 5 basketball coach would come to Clemson? Of course Clemson will have to hire an up-and-comer. And, you're frustrated with the team. It's not unreasonable that if this continues, Clemson should be looking for a new coach at years end. It's flat out unacceptable.

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Your statement is the kind of thinking that needs to stop.


Jan 31, 2021, 4:22 PM

If Clemson finds itself looking for a new coach, having the attitude of “who would come to Clemson?” is the wrong way to think.

It’s going to take money to get a proven coach. If we want to be a great basketball program, then we should not have a problem with that.

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I have no interest in that. I would prefer we get someone


Feb 1, 2021, 12:51 PM

unproven and hungry. Pay them a fair salary and let them prove their worth. Then pay them if they do.

Let's face it. "Proven Coaches" fail just like "Unproven up-and-comers." Just because someone was successful somewhere else doesn't mean they will be successful here. And the whole league is so gross with corruption that I almost fear hiring a "proven coach" because we probably know how they proved themselves.

Admittedly, I have about 1/1000th the passion for Clemson basketball that Judge has, but that's just how I see it.

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I agree, success isn't guaranteed regardless of who you hire


Feb 1, 2021, 2:26 PM

but the odds are more in our favor to hire a coach who has already proven to be a winner on the high major level.

Clemson's strategy throughout 100+ years of basketball has been to go the mid-major route and hope it works out. It rarely has worked out for us, but when it has, every single coach has left us to go elsewhere. The only time that hasn't happened? Brad Brownell.

That's not to say we couldn't hire an unproven coach, have him be a great fit, and him fall in love with Clemson and he stays for life. It could happen. You can also get rich buying a lottery ticket, but there are much better ways to make money.

Clemson basketball can be an attractive job, given our new-ish facilities and (apparent) administrative support for basketball. That, plus being in the ACC, should allow us to go after a higher caliber of coach than we previously have, should we have an opening. This will obviously take money, but if we are serious about basketball then we must do it.

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I can think of a #3


Jan 31, 2021, 2:05 PM [ in reply to Re: Let me say upfront, I don't know all the details of the Greg ]

His wife is every bit as unstable as he is. I know of no other wife of a coach who has been kicked out of an arena on account of profanity and other crazy antics.

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Re: I can think of a #3


Jan 31, 2021, 2:14 PM

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"why?" B/c coaches like Bruce Pearl and Kelvin Sampson exist


Jan 31, 2021, 2:26 PM [ in reply to Re: Let me say upfront, I don't know all the details of the Greg ]

Sign me up for the success that Auburn and Houston are having, if all I have to do is accept a coach who had a few semi-major recruiting violations in his past.

What coach doesn't? Look at all the coaches wrapped up in worse: escorts, pay-to-play, etc. Even Brownell's program has shown some smoke (I won't debate the merits of the claim, but it is on tape.)

I'll forgive a coach's "cheating" on the recruiting trail as long as it only involves nothing more serious than some improper phone calls and a BBQ. Just have a zero tolerance policy, and let's see what heights he can take us to.

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Re: "why?" B/c coaches like Bruce Pearl and Kelvin Sampson exist


Jan 31, 2021, 2:31 PM

semi serious? your post is fully clueless. those guys have continuous and ongoing patterns of violations

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sorry but after the Adidas pay-to-play scandal and Louisville's escort service


Jan 31, 2021, 2:49 PM

My panties aren't in a wad over some improper phone calls, text messages, and a BBQ.

Get out of here with your clueless comment.

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Re: sorry but after the Adidas pay-to-play scandal and Louisville's escort service


Jan 31, 2021, 4:29 PM

I'll go where I want thanks. You need to do some research on coaches

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Re: "why?" B/c coaches like Bruce Pearl and Kelvin Sampson exist


Jan 31, 2021, 3:06 PM [ in reply to "why?" B/c coaches like Bruce Pearl and Kelvin Sampson exist ]

For every Bruce Pearly scumbag there's 3 Frank Martin scumbags .
Don't install a cheater and a liar at Clemson University , regardless of any successes they've had as a coach .

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DB23


Its the Liberty Guy you want if it comes too ...


Jan 31, 2021, 2:37 PM

looking for the next Coach. Please see my other most excellent Spock like analytical post on this thread.

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Re: Its the Liberty Guy you want if it comes too ...


Jan 31, 2021, 3:46 PM

If we are going to get someone without baggage, try Winthrop's coach. He seems to be doing a good job at a normally small athletic department. Maybe you folks know more about him.

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Re: Its the Liberty Guy you want if it comes too ...


Jan 31, 2021, 4:52 PM

The NCAA is partly to blame. Seldom do they do anything to a dishonest coach. Don't know if it is legal or not but if a coach is caught doing really illegal stuff, he should be banned from college coaching for a certain period of time.

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Yes..***


Feb 1, 2021, 12:15 PM



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Re: Let me say upfront, I don't know all the details of the Greg


Feb 1, 2021, 2:19 PM

If you want a new coach, don't grab someone else's bad goods...

Look for rising talent.

Wes Miller should be target No 1
Carmen Maciariello if you want to risk big.
Darian DeVries (might be too hot now)


not sure if we can get Casey Alexander out of Belmont. Hamilton out of E. Kentucky might be too green but he is a former Wake player, so not bad in our area.... otherwise start lookign for assistants IMO

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Why does it have to be rising talent?


Feb 1, 2021, 2:28 PM

What is your aversion to proven talent?

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Re: Why does it have to be rising talent?


Feb 1, 2021, 2:41 PM

In that case, it would be Kelvin Sampson.

My biggest case is to find that "generational, transcendent" coach that we set a new culture and expectations for the program. I think a "proven talent" will do well, but a lot like South Carolina football, it is always that the proven talent is just stopping by and lending a name, not buiilding a program.

Clemson has never had the true "legacy" coach. We got close with Barnes but we just are not that interested in the sport. We need to have a coach that is more about building Clemson beyond our own vision... and will hopefully like us more than even some of our fans.

Unless some PAC12 is going to cut the program and chase off a NCAA coach, we should go younger IMO.

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I think it's mostly Clemson's responsibility


Feb 1, 2021, 2:57 PM

to make it a destination job.

Obviously, the coach has to love Clemson or at least grow to love it. He has to want to live in Clemson, want to recruit the southeast and east coast, want to be in the ACC, etc. But after that, it's up to Clemson to make sure that he has what he needs to be (and continue to be) successful. That means upgrading facilities whenever needed, giving him the budget for staff hires he needs, being innovative, financially rewarding success, etc.

As I've posted here many times, we just started doing that for Brad about 6 years into his tenure, and have only had what I consider a good foundation in place for the last few years. That delay shouldn't be acceptable to any of our fans who truly want to be successful in basketball.

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Here's a name nobody mentions


Feb 1, 2021, 2:29 PM

But this guy is a FANTASTIC coach. I'd roll the dice and give him an interview at least.
He coached at SMC back in the 90's and they were a powerhouse under him.

https://herdzone.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/coaches/scott-rigot/576


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If one former Winthrop coach can be...


Feb 1, 2021, 3:09 PM

Successful, why not another one in Pat Kelsey? :)

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If one former Winthrop coach can be...


Feb 1, 2021, 3:09 PM

Successful, why not another one in Pat Kelsey? :)

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If one former Winthrop coach can be...


Feb 1, 2021, 3:09 PM

Successful, why not another one in Pat Kelsey? :)

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If one former Winthrop coach can be...


Feb 1, 2021, 3:09 PM

Successful, why not another one in Pat Kelsey? :)

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If one former Winthrop coach can be...


Feb 1, 2021, 3:09 PM

Successful, why not another one in Pat Kelsey? :)

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If one former Winthrop coach can be...


Feb 1, 2021, 3:09 PM

Successful, why not another one in Pat Kelsey? :)

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If one former Winthrop coach can be...


Feb 1, 2021, 3:09 PM

Successful, why not another one in Pat Kelsey? :)

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If one former Winthrop coach can be...


Feb 1, 2021, 3:09 PM

Successful, why not another one in Pat Kelsey? :)

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If one former Winthrop coach can be...


Feb 1, 2021, 3:09 PM

Successful, why not another one in Pat Kelsey? :)

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