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I'm Sorry but Ohio State
Jul 30, 2015, 1:12 PM
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does very little for me. Their last loss was to a weak VT team at the Shoe and prior to that to our Tigers. I would love to play them this year!!!! Last time we played them we literally beat them up and that's being nice. They would need a career day to keep pour O under control. By that time our D will be seasoned and I still believe our overall speed would be a huge problem for them as it will for most teams on our schedule.
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Re: I'm Sorry but Ohio State
Jul 30, 2015, 1:17 PM
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Every team is capable of tripping up but to claim Ohio State would be a game we should win is ludicrous.
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Re: I'm Sorry but Ohio State
Jul 30, 2015, 1:43 PM
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darealmvp: Perhaps you should spend some time looking at our recent recruiting, our returnees, and the past 4 years. We didn't lose to an also ran--VT--by 2 TD's at home. Have you seen Watson play?If they end up playing look me up and I'll be more than pleased to empty your wallet
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I'm impressed by both tOSU and Clemson
Jul 30, 2015, 2:16 PM
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If you want to judge a team by its last loss, then you're talking about the Clemson team who played Georgia Tech. Sure, we have a different quarterback, but so does tOSU. They also bring back most of their OL and DL. tOSU's starting QB vs Clemson's starting QB is an interesting comparison. Maybe Clemson comes out on top, but not everyone would agree with that one. Most people would, however, agree that tOSU's back up vs CU's back up isn't much of a contest as their back up would likely be at least all conference if not a Heisman candidate (assuming he was starting).
Clemson likely wins the talent contest at WR, loses significantly at OL, and might break even at RB. They are probably close on talent on the defense in general, but have much more experience. The Tigers can beat tOSU, but would have to play very well to do so.
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Re: I'm impressed by both tOSU and Clemson
Jul 30, 2015, 3:01 PM
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tigerbybirth: Save your cash and if they should play this year. I'll be back to you so you can have the opportunity to put up your money! Obviously you're a fan of the Little Ten and I am not. It's too slow, not wide open enough, and reminds me of watching grass grow. Save those dollars and i'll be ready with a fair offer. I like people who can back up their points with the fortitude to put up their cash, don't you?
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Re: I'm impressed by both tOSU and Clemson
Jul 30, 2015, 4:28 PM
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You have successfully made yourself look like an idiot in this thread.
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You are so right
Jul 30, 2015, 4:58 PM
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It's as if James is responding to a different post.
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Re: I'm Sorry but Ohio State
Jul 30, 2015, 2:24 PM
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I don't need a lecture from you on our recent recruiting. I think we are doing a fantastic job but that doesn't mean we don't have some pretty big question marks. First off all we are pretty much entirely replacing both lines and our QB has all the talent in the world but has not shown that he can stay healthy.
So, if you are looking at it objectively, the consensus #1 team who just won a Natty absolutely get's the nod over our tigers as of right now. This can all change by the end of the year, which is why we play the game, but you are being dishonest if you say the evidence shows anything but Ohio State being better than Clemson at this point.
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Re: I'm Sorry but Ohio State
Jul 30, 2015, 2:48 PM
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dare: perhaps you'd be interested in a big wager so we can see exactly what you're made of. Let me see what might make sense. I repeat, Clemson will be a better team than OSU this year and that is my assessment. Of course there are no facts for me to back that up yet. Matter of fact I sorta like VT getting 17 against the OSU. After all VT beat them at the Shoe last year and outplayed them. OSU played a very weak schedule and you apparently don't understand that the Little Ten is slower than a turtle. I'll put together a reasonable offer and let's see if you can back up your insults.
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Re: I'm Sorry but Ohio State
Jul 31, 2015, 12:03 PM
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> perhaps you'd be interested in a big wager so we can see exactly what you're made of
What are you talking about? I simply said that based on the evidence we have, there would be no logical reason to favor clemson over ohio state at this point. Could that change by the end of the year? Of course.
> Of course there are no facts for me to back that up yet.
Exactly, which means you are just going on gut feeling. If you think Clemson would hands down beat Ohio State, that is just based on your fandom, not on logic.
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Re: I'm Sorry but Ohio State
Jul 30, 2015, 6:29 PM
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Not really. We are 2 for 2. You have to admit until proven otherwise. Use fact not opinion. It's too ESPNish
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Re: I'm Sorry but Ohio State
Jul 30, 2015, 8:22 PM
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I agree. Man Ohio St is on the track to blow up again. Urban is down right getting it done on the recruiting trail. To be honest their going to be a down right scary team for anyone to play. I really like listening to the Bama fans say they were just plum lucky to beat them. I think its hilarious listening to them talk about Ohio St and how they would beat them 9 out 10 games. Lol
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ohio state is pretty d@mn good.
Jul 30, 2015, 1:20 PM
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Nm
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Re: ohio state is pretty d@mn good.
Jul 30, 2015, 1:28 PM
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yes but if you listen to Columbus media you'd wonder how many Lombardi trophies they have
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Re: ohio state is pretty d@mn good.
Jul 30, 2015, 1:35 PM
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Hometown team. I like to think Clemson would win the natty every year. Hype exists and the question becomes whether you live up to it or give into it.
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Oh Lord !!!!
Jul 30, 2015, 1:43 PM
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I have family in Ohio so I get to hear their rhetoric frequently.
They do not like to discuss the Orange Bowl and they blame the loss on the officials which is hilarious to me since the ONLY thing that kept them in the game was the officials.
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Re: Oh Lord !!!!
Jul 30, 2015, 1:49 PM
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Local tv there is just a joke. The NBC affiliate is 12 hours a days of fawning over them followed by 12 a day of pandering to them.
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Sounds like the Columbia, SC media.
Jul 30, 2015, 1:57 PM
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Of course, they are all living in fear of Spurrier trying to get them fired if they don't.
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Re: Sounds like the Columbia, SC media.
Jul 30, 2015, 2:00 PM
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True but in Columbus it has an almost creepy cult like vibe to it.
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That's certainly been my experience with Ohio in general....
Jul 30, 2015, 2:05 PM
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creepy and cult like especially in the southeast portion of the state where my relatives live. The town literally has four stop lights, the only place to shop is Wally World, and Bob Evans is considered fine dining.
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Re: That's certainly been my experience with Ohio in general....
Jul 30, 2015, 2:25 PM
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yeah that region is a lot more deliverance like than they want you to know. We were coming in going from WVa on US 33 a 4 lane road. Went to use the first rest area in Ohio. It was a glorified out house. THis is about a year ago. My wife absolutely went ballistic. It was a disgrace in this day and age for a major state
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Re: Oh Lord !!!!
Jul 30, 2015, 8:17 PM
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So OSU fans were okay with that horrendous call on Beasley??? Game-changing moment by the refs. CLEMSON was stomping a hole in the OSU offense, and the refs tried their best to prevent that.
We Too Mean.
Maybe the OSU fans need to ask Braxton Miller who changed his career path in a single play. I'm pretty sure he remembers that play.
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6 Lombardy Trophies
Jul 30, 2015, 2:19 PM
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That's a record. Clemson might get there, but we've got some work to do first. BTW, I've watch Clemson and tOSU twice and my Tigers won both times.
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Re: I'm Sorry but Ohio State
Jul 30, 2015, 1:26 PM
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They bring back 5 of their starting front 7 on defense...a defensive front that was considered Top 3-4 in the nation last year. Conversely, our offensive line is below average at best. That usually doesn't spell success for the offense.
I hope our line will improve throughout the season and protect DW better than they did last year...but to say Ohio State would need a "career day" to keep our O under control before the season begins is pure homerism.
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Re: I'm Sorry but Ohio State
Jul 30, 2015, 1:45 PM
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tmac; did you ever consider the types of offenses that they face in the Little Ten? I think not.
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Re: I'm Sorry but Ohio State
Jul 30, 2015, 2:03 PM
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They also held Oregon to 20 points.
OSU fans would most certainly counter your argument of weak offenses in the B1G with the quality of defenses we face in the ACC. I'm a firm believer in Watson, but his two amazing performances came against North Carolina and NC State. Not exactly world-beaters.
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Yeah hanging 35 points on SC with a torn ACL and
Jul 30, 2015, 2:10 PM
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scoring TWO rushing touchdowns to boot. Nah, nothing amazing about that. You're right, he only had the two.
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Re: Yeah hanging 35 points on SC with a torn ACL and
Jul 30, 2015, 2:16 PM
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True. The performance was incredible, though to me it was more about the heart he showed than it was the stat sheet. With that said, South Carolina's defense was miserable last year, so his great performance there doesn't necessarily disprove what I was trying to say.
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Re: I'm Sorry but Ohio State
Jul 30, 2015, 2:31 PM
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tmac: Have you seen him in person? If you have perhaps you might have noticed the accuracy of his throws, his throws before the cut takes place, his near perfect footwork. Someone mentioned Oregon.
their qb Mariotta was good but not in the same league with Watson. It's that plain and simple.
By the way the Pac 12 isn't exactly the strongest conference either.
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Re: I'm Sorry but Ohio State
Jul 30, 2015, 2:42 PM
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Unfortunately due to my living location, I haven't seen Watson in person, but I have watched all of our games from last season multiple times. I agree--Watson's footwork, accuracy, and timing are absolutely incredible. Mariotta was the #2 overall pick and the Heisman Trophy winner last season. Obviously he's in the same league as Watson even if I believe Watson's ceiling is higher.
The PAC12 was arguably the best conference in the nation last season. If not that, probably the second best.
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Re: I'm Sorry but Ohio State
Jul 30, 2015, 2:52 PM
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tmac: You or no one can assess a QB without seeing a game(s) in person. TV is a seat at the game but an awful one at that. DW goes thru his reads with perfection, delivers the ball when and how it needs to be throw, etc.etc You should know these things.
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Re: I'm Sorry but Ohio State
Jul 30, 2015, 4:15 PM
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Ehhhhhh, I'd argue you can get a very good assessment of a player watching him on TV. Of course I'd love to see DW in person (and with luck, will see him this season), but it's not required to form an opinion on him or his skills.
By claiming you need to be in-stadiium in order to assess a QB's ability, you're guilty of using a double standard. You're talking about how much better DW is than Mariotta without properly assessing Mariotta's ability.
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Re: I'm Sorry but Ohio State
Jul 30, 2015, 4:59 PM
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tmac: good point but I did watch him make some horrible throws in the second half of the playoff game. I've seen DW throw one or two bad balls. When I watch a game I watch the field not the play.
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Re: I'm Sorry but Ohio State
Jul 30, 2015, 5:51 PM
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So u were at the national championship game? Cuz u said u can't properly evaluate a qb unless u watch them in person.
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Did you see any tOSU games besides VPI?
Jul 30, 2015, 2:22 PM
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I didn't think they were all that either, but at the end of the season, they were clearly the best team in the country. Oh, did you notice how much of that team is returning? I love my Tigers, but 11 guys from last year's team are in training camps right now. Battle might make that 12.
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Re: I'm Sorry but Ohio State
Jul 30, 2015, 2:01 PM
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Ohio State was supposed to have a great defense against us in the Orange Bowl but you see how that worked out. They also were supposed to have the best O-line in the country. Seems our defense didn't care what everyone was saying. I say VT beats them again in the first game of the season. VT's defense is returning a ton of players and they do have a pretty good D-coord. Not something OSU needs to take for granted.
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Re: I'm Sorry but Ohio State
Jul 30, 2015, 2:10 PM
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That's true...but we had a tried & true offense which was clicking on all cylinders. What we have right now is an incredible but brief look at our QB, an unproven and thin OL, a great-on-paper-but-not-very-experienced front 7 on defense, and oh yea, we just lost our elite offensive coordinator.
This isn't to say our offense doesn't come together and become the best offense we've seen since the HUNH came to Clemson...but to start squawking at the National Champs based on our potential seems foolhardy.
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Re: I'm Sorry but Ohio State
Jul 30, 2015, 3:05 PM
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tmac: It ain't "sqwuaking"when I'm prepared to back it up. I do not think OSU repeats.
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Re: I'm Sorry but Ohio State
Jul 30, 2015, 4:16 PM
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What do you mean you're prepared to back it up? You'll ride the claim to the grave? I have no doubt you would. However it doesn't mean your claim has a lot of substance at the moment.
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Re: I'm Sorry but Ohio State
Jul 30, 2015, 4:56 PM
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tmac: We'll just see if I am correct. Let's say I spend a lot of time on research, analysis, getting reports and they point me to that conclusion. Can't go into any more detail than that.
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James has no back up
Jul 30, 2015, 5:05 PM
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Despite his claims that he will back up his assertions, he'll "leave it at that". So, you paid for a premium site and read some articles talking about how good Clemson's recent recruiting classes have been. You didn't bother to read any articles on tOSU or you would know that their classes have actually been better.
#3 in 2012, #1 in 2013, #5 in 2014, and #8 in 2015. We've been top 15 in most, if not all those classes, but haven't made the top 5. BTW, I use Scout's rankings because they're the easiest to pull quickly. ESPN, who doesn't have the staff devoted to recruiting of either Rivals or Scout might have ranked the Tigers inside the top 5 once.
Don't get me wrong, I think we'll give them a run for their money, but they're a much more experienced and a much deeper team right now.
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Re: James has no back up
Jul 30, 2015, 6:31 PM
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So they recruited better than us in 2013? Didn't really show in the OB
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Re: James has no back up
Jul 30, 2015, 8:40 PM
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I would think not since half the guys were probably redshirted and/or sat on the bench. 9 months isn't a long time to make a big impact if you're talking OSU's 2013 class.
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Re: James has no back up
Jul 31, 2015, 3:48 PM
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tigerbybirth
: You could throw a blanket over the top 20 in recruiting and the differences would be usually minimal. They may have better athletes for their d and O systems. Let's start with their D. They do not face a single team with an O like ours. That is one of the main reasons we beat them in the OB in 2014. We had receivers open all over the field and TB had a mediocre day in terms of delivering the knockout blow to them. They were outplayed by a wide margin. Their D is simply not use to the wide open, speed oriented offense we run. Now to their O. They have made some improvements in opening up their O but ;like most Little Ten teams its a slug fest for the most part. Some speed but not as much as we had or have IMO.
Result is that we pay a different style than they do and I hope we meet them this year as I do believe we win again. Recruiting is not just rankings but what type of player one recruits for your type of team. Pretty basic stuff.
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Tmac, you're not the same guy who thinks Dalvin Cook is innocent, are you?
Jul 30, 2015, 8:43 PM
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> They bring back 5 of their starting front 7 on
> defense...a defensive front that was considered Top
> 3-4 in the nation last year. Conversely, our
> offensive line is below average at best. That
> usually doesn't spell success for the offense.
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> I hope our line will improve throughout the season
> and protect DW better than they did last year...but
> to say Ohio State would need a "career day" to keep
> our O under control before the season begins is pure
> homerism.
Get your panties out a wad, for Pete sake. Our coaches have said multiple times this year's oline will be better than last year's.
So our "oline being below avg at best" is wishful thinking, at best. It was made public before Battle departed that he was in in legit danger of losing his starting role to Hyatt and being slid over to LT.
Remember when Norton start3d against OSU in '13? Still here. You by any chance familiar with the former #1 OC in his class, Guillermo? Oh, he'll be in tip top shape come playoff time.
How about Crowder, familiar with this freak of nature who dominated the LOS throughout the spring game?
McClain? Plenty of experience and looks to have pulled a complete 180 in terms of his physique. Muscle. Lots of it. Fat? Not much. Speed? Well he was a former TE.
RT? FRUH will be outworking and out-fundamentaling his opponents left, right and straight through them.
Forget about Hearn, who our coaches feel they have to somehiw find a way to get on this field this year, bc he's that good. Or Falc or Green who they also claim to have "hit on" in terms of evaluation in the recruiting process.
How about Peake, who's fully healthy and would've likely outshined Sammy and dedinitely Tay were he healthy during those years.
Dye? Brooks? Choice anyone?
No?
Then how about a full season of a healthy #4?
We saw what he can do with a torn acl (dominate your coots), but have you actually taken a step back and thought about his potential with peake, a solid oline, a finally healthy RB stable and the best WR corps in the nation.
No? Well now is the time my friend. Enjoy the happy thoughts 
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Re: Tmac, you're not the same guy who thinks Dalvin Cook is innocent, are you?
Jul 31, 2015, 3:37 PM
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First of all, when did I say Dalvin Cook was innocent? The only thing I said was let's wait to hear all of the details until we proclaim him guilty. That's not saying he's innocent, that's being a rational human being. Try it out sometime.
Oh, the coaches said the offensive line will be better than last year? Wow, that's a load off my shoulders! Thanks for that gem.
Why would you use Norton as an example for us having a good offensive line this year? The dude was a turnstile last season. I hope our offensive line is great, and maybe they will be better than last season...but to assume they will be is, once again, homerism and being extremely optimistic. It's fine if you or others here are optimistic about our offensive line, but don't come at me like I'm a maniac for questioning our offensive line after the past few years we've had up front.
I do believe Peake has the ability to be amazing, but let's not go crazy and say he's better than Sammy. Than again, go ahead. You're not a rational thinker so just do whatever.
Choice is likely going to redshirt this season and you didn't even mention our starting RB, Gallman.
"My coots"? Really dude? You're going that route?
I do actually agree with you about us having the best WR corps in the nation. I think Deon and Ray Ray are going to make a splash early, on top of an already stacked group...however, again, I think you're going too far by saying our offensive line is solid. Until I see the improvements myself, I'm still going to have a lot of doubts.
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Disagree, but you just pointed out why we all love this game
Jul 30, 2015, 1:27 PM
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OSU was down to their 3rd string QB whos first start was the Conference Championship game. Not only was he expected to win that first game, but they need to absolutely crush their skull to even be in consideration for the 4th playoff spot. They beat Wisconsin 59-0. 59-0 is a pretty good 1st game.
2nd game - they beat Alabama from the mighty SEC in convincing fashion. 3rd game - national champions
But to your point, no matter how good you are or potentially could be, you have to bring it every single week in CFB or you could get beat by a VT team at home. OSUs biggest opponent this year will be OSU. They won't be able to roll out those silver helmets every gave and expect everyone else to roll over. Can Meyer get them up to play the Northwesterns and Iowas at noon on a cold October.
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Oculus Spirit [75671]
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He can, as long as he has a QB. Seems he has 3.
Jul 30, 2015, 1:29 PM
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First sign of no QB, those medical issues will pop back up.
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If Clemson wins out, they will probably get their shot.***
Jul 30, 2015, 1:38 PM
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What's scary about tosu is urban does not even have most of
Jul 30, 2015, 1:56 PM
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his recruits in place yet. He is getting this done with inherited players. He's recruiting even better talent. They're a shoe in to the playoff every year until we see urban step down. Then we'll know probation is around the corner. Urban's one knock is he does not care about his players outside of football life.
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CU Medallion [67659]
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Re: What's scary about tosu is urban does not even have most of
Jul 30, 2015, 1:57 PM
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Nope I have heard that from a player but he has a master and Bach from there now at least
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Oculus Spirit [82972]
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Best team by far at the end of last year. Much better
Jul 30, 2015, 2:08 PM
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than the team we had to come back and beat in the OB.
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Re: Best team by far at the end of last year. Much better
Jul 30, 2015, 2:18 PM
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True, though the fact that we had to come back against them was more of a testament to Tajh's volatility than it was to tOSU's greatness. At one point in the second quarter, we had outgained tOSU 391-90, or something along those lines.
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Re: Best team by far at the end of last year. Much better
Jul 30, 2015, 2:19 PM
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Just as a quick addition:
To me, watching that game, it was absolutely clear what team was better. At times it looked like we shouldn't have been on the same field. Our athletes were that much better.
The victory was sweet, but it also just made me more and more angry about the South Carolina game. So many self-inflicted wounds in that game. We could have--and should have--won that game handily.
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Re: Best team by far at the end of last year. Much better
Jul 30, 2015, 2:38 PM
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tmac: I agree with you re the ##### game and the offensive debacle made my mind up that Chad M. was not the man to get us there. Too inflexible, questionable play selection and far too set in his ways. I love the 2 we've got now.
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Uh huh - Right....***
Jul 30, 2015, 2:48 PM
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Re: Best team by far at the end of last year. Much better
Jul 30, 2015, 4:18 PM
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As much as I loved The Chad, I kind of agree with you here. His system was incredible but his play calling was very, very suspect. I don't know if I'd go as far to say he couldn't improve and eventually bring us to the promised land, but I do think his main weakness was play calling.
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CU Guru [1512]
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Re: Best team by far at the end of last year. Much better
Jul 30, 2015, 4:52 PM
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tmac: don't get me wrong I think he is a fine guy and really got us going but when I saw Sammy throw the football after we were knocking the Coots on their arses, that did it for me.
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Re: Best team by far at the end of last year. Much better
Jul 31, 2015, 3:38 PM
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Yea, that was a backbreaker IMO. I won't ever forget that insane call.
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Re: Best team by far at the end of last year. Much better
Jul 30, 2015, 4:58 PM
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The Chad did not have a plan B
Don't know if he was that stubborn or just couldn't make adjustments.
The games where we didn't move the ball, it got worse in the second half.
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Re: I'm Sorry but Ohio State
Jul 30, 2015, 2:23 PM
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I love the banter about the NUTS....all I know is that it's CU 2 vs OSU ZERO in the series.Was at both games and they were heavily favored over our Tigers and look what happened!I say bring 'em on and let's make it a hat trick!!
Go Tigers!!
PS...let me add Bucknuts are good and have a great history.At least they backed it up last year instead of empty chatter from the likes of Michigan,Tennessee and Nebraska who are all running their mouths like they won NC. None have broken an egg in 10+ years.
Another Go Tigers!!
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Re: I'm Sorry but Ohio State
Jul 30, 2015, 2:35 PM
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jkj: I'm with you. Fact is the buck....got soundly trounced by the Tigers in the OB and the final score did not reflect the disparity in talent between those 2 teams. I repeat--they lost at home to VT by 2 td's!!! they were a prohibitive favorite and totally choked. Bring em on again and my money goes with the Tigers. There D line would get worn out chasing Watson.
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All-In [40868]
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Especially with all the other undefeated teams
Jul 30, 2015, 2:46 PM
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but yeah our 3 losses were awesome
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Orange Blooded [3820]
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Boza vs. Hyatt... a veritable Ali vs. Frazier... who cares
Jul 30, 2015, 2:51 PM
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where the ball is?
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Re: Boza vs. Hyatt... a veritable Ali vs. Frazier... who cares
Jul 30, 2015, 4:19 PM
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Let's wait for Hyatt to take a snap before we start this sort of comparison.
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