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As an actual developer, Trump left a trail of bankruptcies
Aug 7, 2018, 3:34 PM
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and lawsuits in his wake.
His current fortune is from being a game show host and licensing his name to put on other people's projects. Everything else he has tried to make or create (steak company, university) has been an abject failure and/or a proven fraud.
MAGA.
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Re: As an actual developer, Trump left a trail of bankruptcies
Aug 7, 2018, 3:38 PM
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Must be quite blissful in conservativealex land.***
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Likely the same way you made yours. Poor pivot, though,
Aug 7, 2018, 3:51 PM
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considering the topic is Trump. "Believe me," I certainly understand the need for deflection when it comes to discussing the POTUS' leadership abilities and what field his ultimate success lay in versus what he sells his base.
But.. Hillary!
But... Obama!
But... wildblulou!
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who knew!??! we have two vaginal implant salesmen in here!***
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That's not my profession. I just minored in it at Clemson.***
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much like your deflection to my reply.
Aug 7, 2018, 4:13 PM
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I'd deflect too if I was broke as a joke and had just taken the time to nitpick the way in which one became a billionaire.
Can I make a request for your next post? Can you bedazzle us with some opinions on how Tom Brady went about it all wrong when it came to how he ended up banging Gisele?
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First. You assume Trump is a billionaire.
Aug 7, 2018, 4:42 PM
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No proof other than what he has told you, or what his handlers have fed to business periodicals who make those lists over the years. Multi-millions? Likely. Billionaire? Who knows. Yeah, this part is nitpicky, but didn't want to let that slip by unattended.
Second. No nitpicking with the assessment - it's illustrating that he has risen to the ranks he has via media and image - ONLY. He has sold you and countless others on his business prowess and deal-making, yet it's been TV ratings, as a game show host, and OTHER actual developers, not Trump, that rescued his finances. Were he not POTUS I would not care a lick. But considering his track record with business more associated with the actual duties of POTUS, forgive me if I dare to take a look behind the curtain.
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Re: First. You assume Trump is a billionaire.
Aug 7, 2018, 4:47 PM
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Not to mention he used his TV game show to promote a pyramid scheme he was involved in.
So many billionaires have time for pyramid schemes.
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Denial is even worse.
Aug 7, 2018, 4:48 PM
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You say the guy isn't insanely wealthy because you hate him?
You deny facts that are right in your face, and the sources of those facts, because he makes you mad?
This is like saying China actually has a small population just because you hate communists.
Brother, I'm not the one who has been sold something.
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I don't hate Trump. I admired him and how he rescued his
Aug 7, 2018, 5:09 PM
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career by pivoting to fields he could thrive in, up until the point he began to conflate what he'd actually accomplished with the media image that he had crafted, and spun that into presidential ability.
I think he's dangerous. You think he's the bees knees, though you might want to look further into these "facts" you claim are so apparent.
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See what I mean, there you go.....
Aug 7, 2018, 5:13 PM
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You hate him so much, that in your mind you turn me saying "uh, yes, he is actually wealthy" into you believing that I think "he's the bees knees".
To you, a simple statement about a singular aspect of his life (and a pretty indisputable one to a rational person) becomes total approval, even enthusiasm, for the man.
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You don't think he's the bees knees?***
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And you keep saying I hate Trump. Because I think he's
Aug 7, 2018, 5:21 PM
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misrepresented himself and his accomplishments? Sorry to point out an inconvenient reality to you.
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No, I say you hate Trump because
Aug 7, 2018, 5:24 PM
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the only reason you drop in here is to post a negative hit and run on Trump. I decided that on past history, not this thread.
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That's not at all accurate. I was just on here praising
Aug 7, 2018, 5:47 PM
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Trump recently, for being one of the best in my lifetime at lies, gaslighting, division, distraction, and misdirection.
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LOL, I'll point that.***
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I haven't claimed, once, that he's not wealthy.
Aug 7, 2018, 5:37 PM
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I do dispute the size of his wealth due to the litany of BS and distortion of facts that he is incessantly letting out, so forgive me if there's little credence I give to his self-assessments, and man does he ever like to self-assess.
The source of this wealth, the underpinnings of this wealth, does not equate to leadership. His failures have been in areas more in line with the type of business that running a country entails. His successes have little do with the type of business that running a country entails. Capeesh?
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Ok, I don't disagree completely with your second paragraph.
Aug 7, 2018, 5:38 PM
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It's completely different from where you started, but I don't disagree.
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No difference - just stating why it matters.***
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Probably not by starting with tens of millions of dollars
Aug 7, 2018, 3:52 PM
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Granted, Trump did become famous for becoming much richer and acting like an a-hole.
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I dunno, maybe, maybe not. I was just curious because
Aug 7, 2018, 4:08 PM
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usually when people can regale you with stories of others' shortcomings and failures, it's primarily because of their own successes. I just wanted to hear more.
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I don't believe it's a requirement to be wealthier than
Aug 7, 2018, 4:25 PM
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Trump to discuss the means by which he acquired his wealth. He'd have you believe he's one of the greatest businessmen on the planet, and an incomparable real estate magnate. His actual business record would seem to indicate otherwise, and his primary stream of income and wealth comes from branding and shameless self-promotion.
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No, read again. WBL actually paints a guy worth $3B as
Aug 7, 2018, 4:27 PM
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an "abject failure".
Sign me up for failure like that.
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Re: No, read again. WBL actually paints a guy worth $3B as
Aug 7, 2018, 4:28 PM
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Lol. He's not a billionaire. I bet his net worth is negative.
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Re: Who do I believe? Time? Fortune?
Aug 7, 2018, 4:35 PM
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https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/06/mark-cuban-donald-trump-wealth
The best point I heard made about him is the simple fact that billionaires make other people rich. They invest in others and it works in the favor of both. Trump doesn't do that, he only takes from those around him.
He's not a billionaire.
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well if Mark Cuban doubts it.............***
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Wrong. I said his abject failures were "other" businesses
Aug 7, 2018, 4:52 PM
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that he's started outside of the game show gig and licensing his name to other people's developments. His own real estate developments, some bankrupt some not, speak for themselves.
Listen, there's nothing wrong with amassing a fortune being a game show host and licensing your name to big real estate projects. Nothing wrong with that at all. What's wrong is spinning that as something compeltely different and conning people into letting you run their country for them based on it.
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This is why I never say anything bad about ken lay/madoff
Aug 7, 2018, 4:56 PM
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these were guys worth millions and were way more successful than I can ever think to be, so on what ethical grounds do I have to say they had shortcomings or failures?
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That wouldn't really be you discussing their "success"
Aug 7, 2018, 4:59 PM
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would it as much as it would be you discussing their illegal activity.
"HAR HAR TRUMP'S LINE OF STEAKS BELLY FLOPPED HE SUCKS SO BAD AT BUSINESS" is a little different from "Jeez the guy swindled tens of thousands of people out of their life savings", but by all means, continue with the non sequiturs.
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Their "successes" were through illegal activity
Aug 7, 2018, 5:11 PM
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and it was to show the faulty logic in your argument.
Your argument was this: usually when people can regale you with stories of others' shortcomings and failures, it's primarily because of their own successes.
My point wasn't attached to Trump, it was attached to the idea that you can't talk about other's failures or shortcomings unless you're as successful as them. That's clearly not a non-sequitur, but if it makes you feel better to dismiss the point then, by all means, continue...
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What rational person would define defrauding tens
Aug 7, 2018, 5:21 PM
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of thousands of people for temporary wealth that resulted in jail, being disowned by family, and ultimately suicide as "success"?
Nitpicking the means by which someone multiplied their financial wealth by 300,000% is not even close to the same as criticizing one of the worst financial crimes of the century. It's a weak point and you know it.
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They wouldn't.
Aug 7, 2018, 5:30 PM
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Which was the point. Maybe you didn't mean it to read as it did, but your argument was that simply because Trump was rich and had successful businesses that one had to equal that type of wealth and success to talk about his failures in business or criticize how he came by that wealth. Which is why it's perfectly logical to bring up extreme examples to prove how illogical that argument is.
It's like saying you can't talk about the Kardashians in any moral or business ethics sort of way simply because you aren't a millionaire yourself.
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if you read it quite literally, yeah, but
Aug 7, 2018, 5:34 PM
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"regale" was a pretty loaded word, and taken in the context of every.other.post I've made in the thread on the topic, it was pretty clear I was saying it seemed hyper-critical to criticize the business success level of an individual who went from 1M to 3B.
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Was that the argument or the method?***
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Re: Was that the argument or the method?***
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lol, fair enough.***
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Trump started with $1M, according to...wait for it...
Aug 7, 2018, 8:47 PM
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Trump. It’s an outright lie, which should shock all of us, coming from a guy who so typically tells the honest truth. He got tens of millions from his father, and continued support in various fashions when his investments were flailing. One of his casino managers said Trump Sr would, on more than one occasion (and via proxy, obviously), walk into the Taj Mahal and get $3M in chips...and walk out the door.
Check out Dirty Money on Netflix. Great series anyway, but the one on Trump is pretty fascinating. 90% of it is stuff you already know, but having it presented chronologically with key people who worked for him explaining it is eye-opening.
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Oh, and "starting out with tens of millions".
Aug 7, 2018, 4:26 PM
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He had a 1 million dollar trust....nicer than what you or I got, but not exactly set for life. He also took out some loans from his father's estate at then-current interest rates.
So let's put that into perspective. Turning 1 million into 3-ish billion.....
Let's say you entered the working world post-studies and your folks gave you $10k to play with. That would equate to you having a net worth of 10 million to achieve the same wealth growth. Are you there yet? Getting close?
Point being, hate the guy all you want...he can make it hard not to, and there are plenty of faults to go after. All this trying to nitpick how the guy got wealthy though just looks pitiful, juvenile, and spiteful. It says more about the critic than it does Trump.
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sorry, poor math.
Aug 7, 2018, 4:29 PM
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You'd need $30 million.
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I don't really care how he got wealthy
Aug 7, 2018, 5:39 PM
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That was you who was talking about being impressed by somebody who'd made a lot of money.
He also started out with much more money than that- he had a $40 million inheritance. The $1 million was the loan he took to start out on his own in business, and he may have had more money at this point than he apparently has if he'd just invested it in an index fund based on the S&P 500 index.
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Re: I'm not saying you're wrong, but
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They made Hillary look taller in the picture.
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Oh, and I'm not so much impressed, I'm just not politically
Aug 7, 2018, 5:45 PM
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hipster enough to scoff over that level of wealth creation.
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apparently?***
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Re: Everything Trump Touches Dies
Aug 7, 2018, 4:06 PM
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He's never been anything but a con man, so he only needed to be good at one thing. That one thing happened to transfer well to politics.
That tells you a lot about Trump, but it tells you a lot more about our system.
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Re: Everything Trump Touches Dies
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YOU ARE CORRECT. OUR SYSTEM IS BROKEN, BIG TIME. HENCE THE REASON TRUMP WAS ELECTED. PEOPLE IN THE SWAMP, NO MATTER THE PARTY SHOULD BE AFRAID. REALLY HARD TO BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE CANT SEE WHAT HE HAS ACCOMPLISHED IN SUCH A SHORT TIME. AND BY THE WAY, TRUMP HAS NOT WRITTEN ONE NEW LAW. HE IS ENFORCING THE ONES THAT ARE ON THE BOOKS. SOMETHING PREVIOUS "LEADERS" SAID THEY WERE GOING TO DO BUT DID NOT. YES, EVEN YOUR ICON HUSSEIN TALKED BIG ABOUT ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.
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Re: Everything Trump Touches Dies
Aug 7, 2018, 4:24 PM
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It's like you were trying to show people new to the internet what an unhinged post looks like.
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Could we get Nancy, Maxiene, Chuck and a few of their....
Aug 7, 2018, 8:16 PM
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close friend for Trump to grace with his tiny hands?
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NPR..'nuff said
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Used to be balanced. Swung waaaaay left. Terminated my donations.
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Re: Everything Trump Touches Dies
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Has he touched you? Darn.
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Kinda like the Clintons?
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F**k him. He's screaming for attention because he has something to lose.
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