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Heisman Winner [119709]
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I'm not neccesarily For or Against vaccination, per say
Jul 13, 2021, 10:34 AM
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I got mine, if you didn't that's your business...
BUT IF YOU HAVEN'T, PLEASE STAY THE HAYELL AWAY FROM DEATH VALLEY THIS FALL SO YOU DON'T ACCIDENTLY #### IT UP FOR THE REST OF US.
PLEASE 
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It kinda sounds like you're for vaccinations.***
Jul 13, 2021, 10:39 AM
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No, he's not. Per say.***
Jul 13, 2021, 10:40 AM
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WAIT...
Jul 13, 2021, 12:31 PM
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He's Percy, or he's NOT Percy?
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No, try reading ;)
Jul 13, 2021, 10:41 AM
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83,000 packed into Death Valley is different from normal everyday circumstances where you can avoid being in a substantial crowded environment.
Make sense now?
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Orange Blooded [2999]
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Your forgetting that in any group of 83,000 you'll have
Jul 13, 2021, 10:42 AM
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at the very least, *checks math* 74,000 a-holes.
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Orange Blooded [2999]
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You's*
Jul 13, 2021, 10:42 AM
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Oculus Spirit [97719]
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I had more when they got off their tractors and came
Jul 13, 2021, 10:57 AM
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to watch a Saturday game in the Valley. Tailgated on a card table with a to-go box of Po Folks fried chicken and a beat up cooler of beer.
Today's fans have satellite TV's, generators, massive food spreads, tents, over-priced Yeti coolers, and are not the same people.
More money you demand from people, the more awholes you will see.
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Heisman Winner [119709]
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So..you go to the games regularly
Jul 13, 2021, 11:01 AM
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and meet a lot of a-holes at Clemson?
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Oculus Spirit [97719]
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Many more than in decades past.
Jul 13, 2021, 12:28 PM
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And don't get me wrong, Clemson bucks this trend more than most colleges. But we can't escape it either.
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All-In [43721]
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He read, bro. He read where you said you got
Jul 13, 2021, 10:43 AM
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vaccinated. Then he expertly deduced that you are pro-vaccination using the fact that you say you were vaccinated.
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I don't really give a sh*t whether you get it or not
Jul 13, 2021, 10:45 AM
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That clearer for you...
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Orange Blooded [2999]
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But the qualifier is that if you don't get it, stay off your
Jul 13, 2021, 10:46 AM
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lawn. Seems like there's someshits that you give.
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Heisman Winner [119709]
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My lawn's pretty big
Jul 13, 2021, 10:48 AM
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but not 83,000 big
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please don't infringe on the rights of
Jul 13, 2021, 10:49 AM
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those with low IQs to infect others with their KungFlu
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Re: I'm not neccesarily For or Against vaccination, per say
Jul 13, 2021, 11:02 AM
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It's ok to be pro-vaccine
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l0l!!84!! Who sits among the unwashed?***
Jul 13, 2021, 11:07 AM
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Re: I'm not neccesarily For or Against vaccination, per say
Jul 13, 2021, 11:19 AM
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Preliminary studies show that the Woo Hoo cheer expresses exponentially more COVID virus than other cheers. It's the equivalent of a trillion balloon releases of virus. This to me is more important than whether the person next to me is vaxxed or not. Stop the Woo Hoo in '21!
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I have no problem lying about it so you feel better***
Jul 13, 2021, 11:26 AM
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Flippantly, I'd say I'm pro-Darwin. But if I'm being real...
Jul 13, 2021, 11:33 AM
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I have to admit that spreading the virus doesn't help any of us.
The best way to beat it is to get vaxxed. All we can do is hope people will do so. We know many won't. And while I'd love to just say, hey, let Darwin work his magic on these folks, it's not that simple. Non-vaxxed people will keep this thing around longer than it needs to be.
So I am just doing what I can. I seriously doubt I will be in DV in the fall. I regret me and Missus PAW cannot take our long-planned and dreamed of European vacation to celebrate our 25th wedding anniversary, but we're not doing that either. I am staying safe, traveling domestically, and maybe doing something like the Caribbean within the next year.
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I wish the idiots who wont get vaxxed would have a
Jul 13, 2021, 11:44 AM
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covid party the way the weirdos do with the kids i.e., chicken pox parties.
I also think insurance should charge more for the unvaxxed they way they do with smokers. can you imagine the cost of an extended ICU stay due to the hubris of an unvaxxed person?
My kids pediatrician won't accept patients whose parents refuse to have their kids vaccinated (i mean the routine type vaccines we've all had). I wish medical providers would adopt this policy for covid vaccine
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Oculus Spirit [79429]
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This kind of visceral reaction towards people taking a more
Jul 13, 2021, 11:50 AM
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wait and see approach leads me to believe you are questioning your own decisions, and want more people to follow you so it validates your choices. This is the kind of behavior you see in drug addict circles, "how can we trust you if you don't snort the cocaine man?!"
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yep, he has a lot of Faucism in him...***
Jul 13, 2021, 11:53 AM
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Faucism. That's cute.***
Jul 13, 2021, 11:58 AM
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sorry that bothers you, sweetheart***
Jul 13, 2021, 11:59 AM
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I mean, I'd think we could at least wait for full FDA
Jul 13, 2021, 12:00 PM
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approval before peer pressuring and shaming people, but I guess that's too much to ask.
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I find it fascinating how the small government types that
Jul 13, 2021, 12:04 PM
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have thought the FDA to be worthless for the last 50 years, suddenly put some measure of stock in their opinion now that it's convenient to do so.
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Oculus Spirit [79429]
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I think you just made this up
Jul 13, 2021, 12:08 PM
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Because I don't recall ever seeing, reading, or hearing of anyone really questioning the FDA when it came to pharmaceutical approvals.
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of course they do! remember the big deal about
Jul 13, 2021, 12:15 PM
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"right to try" legislation? People were highly critical of the FDA's laborious process for approvals so much so that Congress need to act in order to give dying people a way to circumvent the FDA.
https://www.fda.gov/patients/learn-about-expanded-access-and-other-treatment-options/right-try Right to Try Right to Try law is another way for patients to access certain unapproved treatments for patients who have been diagnosed with life-threatening diseases or conditions who have tried all approved treatment options and who are unable to participate in a clinical trial.
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Oculus Spirit [79429]
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And that makes sense. When my mom had cancer, we were
Jul 13, 2021, 12:21 PM
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to the point of throwing some chicken bones on the floor and giving VooDoo a shot. But that's not to say that approach is correct for every situation.
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yes. and we have an existential crisis in the form of the
Jul 13, 2021, 12:24 PM
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the pandemic - the equivalent of cancer that spreads without discrimination through mere breathing.
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COVID is not the equivalent to cancer, I'm sorry.***
Jul 13, 2021, 12:26 PM
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Heisman Winner [137946]
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You're right. Cancer kills just under 10M people per year
Jul 13, 2021, 12:41 PM
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worldwide, and Covid is only up to ~4M in a year and a half. Not even close, really. The thing about cancer, though, is that it's not contagious.
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Oculus Spirit [79429]
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Comparing COVID to cancer is nuts
Jul 13, 2021, 12:44 PM
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Do we really need to get into the weeds as to why?
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Not really, but Covid inarguably impacted more people
Jul 13, 2021, 12:47 PM
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in the last year than cancer did. And it's going to continue to do so, due to nations full of geniuses armed with anecdotes that outweigh scientific research.
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It certainly did, but we don't shut down entire economies
Jul 13, 2021, 1:04 PM
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because of cancer. And we shouldn't do it again because of COVID.
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And I believe that knowing what we know now, most people
Jul 13, 2021, 1:59 PM
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agree with this, including me. Covid is becoming a known commodity, like the flu and cancer, and other things that have been around long enough to be studied, mostly understood, and generally risk-assessed.
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Odd, because in the US cancer kills around 600,000 people
Jul 13, 2021, 2:11 PM
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a year. Almost exactly the same as covid. Within the last year, I'd say covid has been every bit as bad as cancer, in the US anyway. And probably much the same worldwide, except in places who have taken great measures to stop it. Here in the US anyway, we're proof it can be as bad as cancer.
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you believe the Trump worshipers give a d@mn what the FDA
Jul 13, 2021, 12:06 PM
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thinks?
These were the people screaming blue lives matter one minute and defending the insurrection the next. They're now openly bashing the FBI, calling it Biden's KGB.
Anyone who says theyre waiting on the FDA is only saying that in polite company. The great bulk of the antivaxers are Trumpists who believe this was all concocted to ruin his presidency (to the extent they believe he is not really the rightfully elected president)
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Re: I mean, I'd think we could at least wait for full FDA
Jul 13, 2021, 12:06 PM
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FDA approval process has a timeline. I assure you, they will be. People have twisted this into a belief that there is some sort of malfeasance or nefarious reason that they haven't been approved, rather than understanding that the process of approval is happening as we speak.
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Oculus Spirit [79429]
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I don't think it's nefarious at all, I understand there's a
Jul 13, 2021, 12:18 PM
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process that has to play out and I'm willing to wait for it to do so. I've also seen the results of rushed manufacturing, so that also gives me pause.
However, the self righteousness and religious like belief in this vaccine is bordering on being a cult.
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I mean, is the vaccine working or not?
Jul 13, 2021, 12:42 PM
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Seems like it is. So there's that. Unless of course one takes a believe-nothing-that-is-anti-my-own-agenda approach.
Self righteousness? Regligious like belief? Nah, I think it's more those same concepts on the anti-vaccine side.
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Just look at the way y'all are phrasing it, "anti-vaccine
Jul 13, 2021, 12:59 PM
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side". That's religious like rhetoric that aims to demonize those on the outside of the 'club'. I'm certainly sure there's true anti-vaxxers in the mix, but I don't think that's what's driving most peoples hesitancy. It's certainly not mine, I have all of my other vaccines, my son has had his...
Sure, they look like they're working pretty well. That's great, I hope they do. I don't like some of the side effects I've seen though, and seems like the heart enlargement issue in younger males needs to be explored a bit more. As with anything, I'm sure there will be some trial and error, tweaks made to the product, etc. and once that's had some time to play out sign me the #### up!
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IMO there are 3 types of people:
Jul 13, 2021, 1:05 PM
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Those that have already gotten the vaccine.
Those that will never get the vaccine.
Those that are open mindedly and patiently awaiting further instructions from the FDA.
Lakebum is the only single person on earth I've heard of that fall in category 3. Let's go nuts and say 5% of the world are just like you. The majority are not.
No demonization, no club, straight up personal obersvation. MOST being hesitant because they are awaiting further formal approval from the FDA is simply not correct.
Now then. I don't give a single #### about someone getting vaccinated or not. Those that have not generally and mainly are rabid Trumpskis (and you very well may be the minority exception to this). Now we've circled back to "club" and religious like rhetoric haven't we?
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Category 3 most likely doesn't say #### to anyone for fear
Jul 13, 2021, 1:09 PM
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of being shouted down and accused of being a crazy anti-vaxxer. I know I don't advertise my thoughts on it in real life or social media outside of tnet, because I know it's not worth the drama. This is the kind of environment we've created though, so that shouldn't come as a surprise.
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True as that may be, I'm just saying that in my personal
Jul 13, 2021, 1:28 PM
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observations...listening to people talk....those that don't have it have said they a) won't get it, b) those that have gotten it are stupid, c) covid doesn't exist and never has, d) the election was stolen, and e) trump will be put back in office very very soon.
That's not from reading anything or from social media. That's from real and actual conversations I've heard, one as recently as Sunday PM. Actually that conversation morphed somehow from that to "See what's happening in Haiti that's what happens when you are socialist" lol.
All the respect in the world for those that are patiently awaiting further science from the FDA. For real. I just really don't think there are many like that.
I'm not gonna shout nobody down, and I don't even think most are "anti-vaxxers". I think they have their heads so far sunk into a hole of conspiracy they don't even know what fugging day it is. And oddly enough, the behavior seemed to start oh say around 4 years ago. Again, not an agenda...just passing along one beautiful Mexican hombre's observations.
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I'll back lakebum up here...I'm a 3
Jul 13, 2021, 3:17 PM
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I started looking into it when we became eligible. With wife being pregnant, we were really on the fence. Decide to err on the side of chilling here and taking precautions. I really don't see any issue in waiting. I've had a vaccination while waiting in prep for having a baby, so don't give me that anti-vax ant label.
At a very minimum, we're waiting until we're done having kids. Should be a nice sample size of 2 or 3 years to pick from. There's a lot of women we know w/ this same approach. There's some weird stories about their periods and ####, on top of what Lakebum mentioned about the heart problems for dudes my age. So yeah...no thanks. Read a new one today about neurological disorders. I have a massive history of that #### in my family, so again, no thanks.
If I die somewhere in there, so be it, I doubt it'll be from Covid, but I got plenty of insurance for the wife.
Seems to me the risk of me dying of covid < risk of side effects, based on no math, just my understanding of how my body handled covid last year. I'm assuming my risk of death by covid is 0.0000001, because I already had it, and it was a brutal case of it.
I also don't trust a #### thing the government says. So take all of this into consideration as you pick which rock to throw at me on my walk of shame.
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no question from me. best decision I made.
Jul 13, 2021, 12:02 PM
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the way I see it, whether you approach it from a Christian/religious perspective or just a moral/societal perspective, we all owe a duty of care to our neighbor.
For instance, I owe a duty of care to my neighbor, not to inject pollution into the air, soil, or water. I can drink sludge coming out of my factory all day long and kill myself if I desire but I can't pollute you or dump the sludge on your property.
I see the covid vaccine the same way. You have every right to sit in your estate and remain unvaccinated - wait and see in your own bubble. What is immoral/sinful/un-neighborly is proceeding with hubris to infect your neighbors without taking any precaution. The most ironic aspect is that todays antivaxers were the same ones who were rightfully critical of antivaxers a few years ago who were pushing the ridiculous autism theory.
It is no coincidence that the people who refuse to receive the Covid vaccine are the same ones who refused to wear masks and the same ones continuing to worship the deposed orange god-king.
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Man, I wish I said this in my OP ;)***
Jul 13, 2021, 12:11 PM
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It has nothing to do with Trump, this is where many of y'all
Jul 13, 2021, 12:15 PM
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completely go off the rails. The MAGA crowd doesn't have the market for COVID vaccine skepticism cornered here, there are people from all sides hesitant. As I've said before, it probably has a lot do to with the drug dealer like marketing approach.
This is where we differ, I don't owe you or anyone else ####. I owe it to my family to make the proper decisions for us. Call me selfish, I don't really care, because I'm impossible to guilt. The peer pressure and this type of attitude, however, only make people like me more hesitant. So really, by being self righteous about it, you're undermining your own interests.
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I've yet to meet an antivaxer who is not
Jul 13, 2021, 12:30 PM
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also in the Trump party.
Of course you owe your neighbor something... the entirely of Western Civilization and indeed our Republic in particular is built on that tenet. I know you have strong libertarian leanings, as do I, and that is precisely the argument against government overreach and regulation and is grounded in the First Amendment Right to petition.
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The anti-vaxer side of my family were all Trumpers even as
Jul 13, 2021, 12:34 PM
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far as some of them attending a Rally in DC in January.
Not saying they all are, but I would argue there are ALOT of them out there.
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that's certainly true for the last 16 months***
Jul 13, 2021, 12:51 PM
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I've met a ton of them, Bernie Bros, people who don't really
Jul 13, 2021, 12:47 PM
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GAF about politics, all sorts of folks. It's not uncommon amongst the unwashed masses to be skeptical, they don't know who to trust anymore.
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you got vaccinated, then you have nothing to worry about
Jul 13, 2021, 12:26 PM
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you good. People who don't, made their own decision for their body.
You should be all good then. If they die, they die. Why you be an ahole about it?
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because having lots of unvaccinated people means COVID stays
Jul 13, 2021, 12:29 PM
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around longer, mutates, and disrupts daily life more.
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lol, of course.... y'all are whacked***
Jul 13, 2021, 12:31 PM
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The standard "lol at science!"
Jul 13, 2021, 12:44 PM
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That's how this works, though. The longer a virus has hosts to infect, the more time it has to mutate. If only there was a way to prevent a virus from infecting new hosts....alas, I guess we'll just have to roll the dice and test our immune systems.
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so lets go over this
Jul 13, 2021, 12:49 PM
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Vaccine doesn't prevent getting it or spreading it. Correct?
So even if 100% vaccinated people, it will never go away. Hence it will still "mutate". Correct?
Hence, if it mutates, the whole world is gonna die!!!
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I get that math and science are hard,
Jul 13, 2021, 12:56 PM
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but if a vaccine is 95% effective, a vaccinated person has a 1 in 20 chance of contracting the virus. Additionally, if they DO happen to be in the lucky 5%, not only are their symptoms typically lessened, the infective virus shed rate from the vaccinated is demonstrably lower, thus drastically decreasing the chance of it being passed to a new host.
Take 100 vaccinated people and 100 unvaccinated people, and drop the virus in the midst of them. Where are you statistically likely to see the virus propagate and mutate? Is anybody saying there's a 0% chance of it happening in the vaccinated group? Of course not, but statistically and scientifically, the odds are astronomically lower.
Godalmighty, I'm positive you're smarter than this.
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One other small bit of data
Jul 13, 2021, 1:00 PM
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as vaccines have gone up, deaths from Covid have gone down.
Disclaimer: This is only true assuming you think Covid actually existed and you are willing to halfway believe anything put out by media or the government.
Is that good enough for answering whether or not the vaccine works? Probably so for most but probably not for xtiger.
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where did i say the vaccine didnt work?
Jul 13, 2021, 1:09 PM
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####, i got the vaccine.
But I aint for being all Hitler about it
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that says nothing at all about the vaccine not working***
Jul 13, 2021, 1:19 PM
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Oh, ok.
Jul 13, 2021, 1:22 PM
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"Vaccine doesn't prevent getting it or spreading it. Correct?"
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Re: Oh, ok.
Jul 13, 2021, 1:24 PM
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ITT: people who got the vaccine themselves spreading antivaxx stuff because it owns the libs
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ok, sorry to hurt your feelings.
Jul 13, 2021, 1:25 PM
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and not fully clarifying! Does this meet your standards?
Vaccine doesn't "fully" prevent getting it or spreading it. Correct?
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and the vaccine has, all this time, been labeled
Jul 13, 2021, 1:27 PM
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as the means to keep you from dying.
It has been made clear over and over, that you will still spread it and get it, no?
I think you know that is what was being said in that post, but if you want to go down that route, please proceed...
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Nah my feelings are good my man.
Jul 13, 2021, 1:31 PM
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Just trying to figure out how deaths are decreasing while vaccines are being administered. Seems like based on that fact alone, the vaccine does in fact help prevent deaths. I may be taking a far too simplistic approach though. I'm fairly certain you are far less likely to get covid while vaccinated and far less likely to spread it to others vaccinated, but then again that may be MSM manipulating my mind.
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There is a MASSIVE difference between
Jul 13, 2021, 1:31 PM
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"does not prevent" and "does not fully prevent" in this case. I hope for your sake you're being intentionally obtuse in order to own libs, as charlestontiger said, and not unintelligent enough to believe that 95% efficacy means "it doesn't work".
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also, little diddy about the "variants". You all good 19
Jul 13, 2021, 1:13 PM
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you are 95% covered too. Leave people alone that dont want to take a brand new vaccine with minimal testing and long term affects fully known.
https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/covid-19-vaccine-comparison Comparing the COVID-19 Vaccines: How Are They Different? Keeping up with COVID-19 vaccines can be a daunting task, whether they are authorized for use or still undergoing clinical trials. To help people keep up, Yale Medicine mapped out a comparison of the five most prominent COVID-19 vaccines.
How well it works on virus mutations : In early May, the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine was found to be more than 95% effective against severe disease or death from the Alpha variant (first detected in the United Kingdom) and the Beta variant (first identified in South Africa) in two studies based on real-world use of the vaccine.
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I am leaving you people alone. you can stay in
Jul 13, 2021, 1:48 PM
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your trailer parks and visit the occasional trump rally to your hearts content.
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that is not a scientifically sound argument
Jul 13, 2021, 12:33 PM
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the virus will continue to mutate with so many unvaccinated people.
Also, it will continue to harm the economy (estimated $16 trillion dollar loss so far) and it will tax the health system.
If I were running an insurance company I would add a surcharge to the unvaccinated the way they do for smokers.
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you are no libertarian dude. more fascist to me***
Jul 13, 2021, 12:34 PM
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please explain? I'm not the one placing my
Jul 13, 2021, 1:25 PM
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health in the hands of government minders like the FDA.
Quite the contrary, I'm suggesting that private companies should exercise their right to refuse services to the unvaccinated. Never have I ever suggested the government should force vaccinations.
It is quite, but sadly, amusing. You trumpers get outraged that a confectioner can't refuse to bake a cake for a couple of dudes who like to boink each other but are apoplectic at the notion that a company might refuse to do business with individuals choosing to spread a deadly disease.
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####, we have a professional golfer who is fully vaccinated
Jul 13, 2021, 11:55 AM
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who now cannot go to the British Open because he was around someone who was positive. What good is the vaccine?
And obviously, you can get the wuhoo flu if youve been vaccinated.
I dont know what will stop one from getting it in a stadium full of people, vaccinated or not.
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That's pretty much on the UK libs
Jul 13, 2021, 12:13 PM
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and not on vaccine common sense...
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if you're that worried about your health, dont go to DV then
Jul 13, 2021, 12:33 PM
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Why aren't we talking about the vaccine deaths? Perfectly healthy people are dead bc of it
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and once again, The Open states did wayyyyy better on Covid
Jul 13, 2021, 12:46 PM
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than those locked down ###### states.
And if the vaccine doesnt prevent getting it, then it aint ever going away. Cause the vaccine doesnt prevent it. So everyone can still get it, vaccinated or not vaccinated
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I fully expect you to have an ALL CAPS reply while using the
Jul 13, 2021, 1:05 PM
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word GOOBER here soon.
Your circular argument is maddening. You aren't going to understand because you don't WANT to understand.
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I think the all caps are vvvvvv***
Jul 13, 2021, 1:10 PM
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OK, FOLKS...I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT DYEING
Jul 13, 2021, 12:47 PM
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OR CATCHING COVID.
I'M CONCERNED THAT IF THERE IS AN UPTICK IN CASES, PROBABLY CAUSED BY CONGREGATING UN-VAXXED, THE LIBS AT CLEMSON MIGHT WANT TO CURTAIL ATTENDANCE OR CANCEL ATTENDANCE AFTER SEASON STARTS.
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Re: OK, FOLKS...I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT DYING***
Jul 13, 2021, 12:47 PM
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thankfully the antivaxers werent around when
Jul 13, 2021, 1:45 PM
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we eradicated smallpox.
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96% of Medical Doctors are vaccinated
Jul 13, 2021, 1:56 PM
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but, please, tell me again how you are so much more enlightened.
Its also fascinating to see the Trump party in congress who yell obscenities on FNC but are secretly vaccinated as well - they arent stupid but their audience surely is and they're playing to it.
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sorry. not directed at you. more of a generic statement
Jul 13, 2021, 2:53 PM
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to the antivaxxers
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Re: I'm not neccesarily For or Against vaccination, per say
Jul 13, 2021, 2:00 PM
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What about the people that already had covid? Should they get the vaccine too? I mean they should already have the antibodies right?
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Re: I'm not neccesarily For or Against vaccination, per say
Jul 13, 2021, 2:10 PM
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What about the people that already had covid? Should they get the vaccine too? I mean they should already have the antibodies right?
Yes. It appears the vaccine stimulates the immune system better than having had COVID itself. The one thing I don't get about many Trump supporters being anti-COVID vaccine is that Trump was behind Warp Speed to develop the vaccine. Trump and Melania both have had the vaccine despite both having had COVID. Since Trump supported the development of the vaccines and personally had this injected into his body, why are hard core Trumpers resistant? Additionally it's not all white Trumpers. There is still a lot of hesitancy to take the vaccine among blacks and Hispanics.
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Re: I'm not neccesarily For or Against vaccination, per say
Jul 13, 2021, 2:16 PM
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I haven't seen the study that states that the vaccine is better than actually having covid. That is interesting and doesn't make a lot of logical sense. Also what made you think that a) I haven't had the vaccine B) I am a trump supporter? I am simply asking a question. It seems that the reinfection rate of people that had covid is extremely low compared to a vaccine that is 95% effective. I don't know though.
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Re: I'm not neccesarily For or Against vaccination, per say
Jul 13, 2021, 2:38 PM
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I haven't seen the study that states that the vaccine is better than actually having covid. That is interesting and doesn't make a lot of logical sense. Also what made you think that a) I haven't had the vaccine B) I am a trump supporter? I am simply asking a question. It seems that the reinfection rate of people that had covid is extremely low compared to a vaccine that is 95% effective. I don't know though.
It is not common to get COVID again after being previously infected. It does stimulate one's immune system and it may be that a single vaccine for those that have had COVID stimulates the immune system to the same degree as 2 shots? Pfizer has some preliminary data that a 3rd shot stimulates the immune system even further. We don't know how long immunity lasts after either having had COVID or having had the full vaccination.
I didn't insinuate that you have had the vaccine or not.I also didn't assume you are personally a Trump supporter. Full disclosure, I am not a Trump supporter although I did vote for him in 2020. The Lancet published a study in April stating that people who have had COVID had an 84% lower risk of being infected and a 93% lower risk of a symptomatic infection when followed 7 months post COVID.
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ALMOST A MEGA THREAD FOLKS
Jul 13, 2021, 3:07 PM
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OR MAGA THREAD. OR BOTH.
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randy so close***
Jul 13, 2021, 5:51 PM
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oh lort... what a thread... I'm certainly chiming in late...
Jul 13, 2021, 6:27 PM
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But I know this. The vaccine has not killed 4,000,000 people, but Covid has. With hundreds of millions of vaccines having now been given across the globe, it's laughably irrelevant if a few folks die from it... 5, 10, 50, whatever... it doesn't matter, they are literally a statistical anomaly.
It's like hitting the mega-lottery for $300 million. Or walking along the beach looking for 12 specific grains of sand. Or you're in Vegas playing roulette and the whole wheel appears black, but under a microscope, there is this tiny red sliver. What are you putting your money on... red or black?
I realize not everyone will follow this, I have a tremendous advantage as a math major. I could do advanced calculus after 12 beers and 2 grams of Blonde Lebanese. I tutored dumbazz Elec Eng majors who thought Math 106, 108, 206 & 208 were tough. Anyway... "I've done the math". LOL
edit: No, I didn't read all the posts, I already know what they say. Ad nauseum.
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dude, Crash is a practically Euclid 84!!! you don't stand
Jul 13, 2021, 8:47 PM
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a chance
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