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Clemson's got a ticketing problem....
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Clemson's got a ticketing problem....

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Aug 30, 2017, 9:35 AM

Students are being denied access into the games. My student, senior and IPTAY, waited on-line (on-line not in-line like the old days) twice and was unable to secure a ticket to Auburn. Hopefully this will get fixed. There are a couple of petitions circulating.

Any student that wants to go to the game should be guaranteed a ticket...fill the student allotment and then sell any extras game week. It doesn't always have to be about the $.

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Honest question

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Aug 30, 2017, 9:41 AM

"Any student that wants to go to the game should be guaranteed a ticket"

In 2016 our enrollment was 23,406 (18,599 of which were undergraduate). Is it your assertion that we should set aside at least that many tickets for students for every game? That would seem to be the only way to guarantee every student a possible ticket.

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I don't know the answer...I doubt all 23K will want to go to


Aug 30, 2017, 9:55 AM

the game. Clemson has some smart people they can figure it out. I'd have gladly pay for season tickets with tuition if I'd known my kid couldn't get one. If my kid doesn't pick up his (or click for it) on their allotted date/time then the University can re-sell the ticket.

This is a recent development and has not happened in any of the previous years.

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They did figure it out, it's called a lottery.***

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Aug 30, 2017, 10:01 AM



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Just curious when you were a student is that how you got


Aug 30, 2017, 10:16 AM

your tickets?

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Bowden years. You can always buy your kid a ticker off of


Aug 30, 2017, 10:23 AM

stub hub.

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That's probably what we are looking at doing...shouldn't


Aug 30, 2017, 10:28 AM

have to though

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Me either. I paid for 4.5 years of college. I want my free


Aug 30, 2017, 10:39 AM

tickets too.

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Try here...hth


Aug 30, 2017, 10:53 AM

https://www.tigernet.com/view/tickets.do?category=1090&srt=d&adtype=fs

...you got your free tickets when you were a student...that ship has sailed

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For now. I'm going to start a change.org petition


Aug 30, 2017, 10:57 AM

I trust that you will sign?

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Clements, is that you?


Aug 30, 2017, 10:35 AM

Enjoy your nice free comfy spot in your Box while thousands of students sit in their dorm rooms watching the game.

SMH

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Aug 30, 2017, 10:08 AM

We agree that not all 23K will ever want to go to every game, but the problem then becomes trying to create a system that estimates demand in order to maximize attendance (while still hitting the necessary financial metrics).

The system in place (a lottery) is usually used in these situations. A supplementary system was suggested a few years back that would allow students to ensure they had a ticket to every game at a discounted rate(if my memory serves me correctly), but it was shot down due to worries that it would mean the end of free tickets).

There is a reason we are having this discussion about the biggest home ticket of the year. It's hard to create a system which maximizes attendance and opportunity to attend and still meets the financial requirements of current major college football budgets, which works equally well for Kent State and Auburn.

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Yes it is a nice problem to have...seems like this year


Aug 30, 2017, 10:14 AM

something is not working correctly with the system. Maybe give the parents a chance to secure season tickets by paying for them directly...charge whatever they want. Then take any of the tickets that are left out of the 12,000 allotted to students and put them in the lottery. Could create another problem if more than 12K want tickets.

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One point of clarification

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Aug 30, 2017, 10:22 AM

"seems like this year GAME something is not working correctly with the system"

It sucks that students who want to go to the game can't go, but I can't imagine we're going to find a system which solves that for every game. Your suggestion of buying tickets prior to the season is a good one, and probably an idea worth revisiting. But again, a similar proposal was shot down not long ago.

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You're right...won't be the same problem for WF or Citadel


Aug 30, 2017, 10:37 AM

Another thought is to make all 12,000 student tickets available on IPTAY day (Sunday), then make all remaining tickets available on Senior day (Monday) and so on.

I liked the old days get your butt up and stumble across campus to get in line or camping out for (2) days at the Library for USuCk away tickets.

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I had no problem with the old system


Aug 30, 2017, 10:51 AM

Except for the block seating issues where 1 buddy would save spots in line for 50 other folks. But that's a different discussion.

I don't want to come across as dismissive. I understand it sucks as a student (and especially a senior) not to get to go to the biggest home game of the year.

I'd think a small tweak would help. Perhaps one each classes day they should open the "waiting room" an hour early for Iptay members? But again, that would probably just open it up to other issues.

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Re: OK


Sep 1, 2017, 11:30 AM

> We agree that not all 23K will ever want to go to
> every game, but the problem then becomes trying to
> create a system that estimates demand in order to
> maximize attendance (while still hitting the
> necessary financial metrics).
>
> The system in place (a lottery) is usually used in
> these situations. A supplementary system was
> suggested a few years back that would allow students
> to ensure they had a ticket to every game at a
> discounted rate(if my memory serves me correctly),
> but it was shot down due to worries that it would
> mean the end of free tickets).
>
> There is a reason we are having this discussion about
> the biggest home ticket of the year. It's hard to
> create a system which maximizes attendance and
> opportunity to attend and still meets the financial
> requirements of current major college football
> budgets, which works equally well for Kent State and
> Auburn.

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If you pay $30,000 a year

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Aug 30, 2017, 10:41 AM

to attend this #### school, you better get a free ticket. No excuses.

Clemson's financial aid system wont even let you get a full ride. There are no full scholarships to Clemson unless you are on a football, baseball, or basketball team. Even if you have enough scholarships and financial aid to cover everything, Clemson financial aid requires you to pay for some of the cost out of pocket, no excuses.

Its one of the more expensive pubic schools in the southeast with one of the worst financial aid systems I've ever seen in a public university. For the amount of time, money, and heart students put into this school, the least they could do is ensure a ticket to every student.

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OK. That's a valid point.


Aug 30, 2017, 10:56 AM

I just don't see it as feasible to set aside 23K tickets a game for students who have not shown the inclination to attend games in those numbers in the past. But I understand the motivation for wanting to do so.

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Re: OK. That's a valid point.

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Aug 30, 2017, 11:24 AM

I dont think its feasible either. Thats why I think you should include it as a optional fee with tuition.

Take student mailboxes, for example. Obviously there arent enough mailboxes for all 23,000 students at Clemson. And some students dont have a desire to have an on-campus mailbox because they dont have a need for one. However, there are still more students than mailboxes. So, instead of just giving them away, Clemson includes them as an optional fee when you start your tuition plan each year. You want a mailbox? Well thats gunna be an extra fee included with tuition the same way Taps yearbooks are included.

While this isn't a "free ticket", it is a much more reasonable system. It puts everyone on the same equal playing field and also guaruntees that students get a ticket.

My tuition bill was just over $43,000 per year to attend Clemson. When you pay that much, you better get a ticket.


I used the "I pay $43,000 a year" excuse many times at this school. My secret study place was the West Endzone seats in Death Valley, being in Tiger Band, I knew how to get into the stadium. There was one time when some security guards came and told me to leave. Of course my response was "I'm a student and I pay XXXXX in tuition, I'm going to enjoy the stadium I'm paying for". Considering that they had no recourse to kick me out, they decided they didnt want the trouble and left me alone.

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Re: OK. That's a valid point.


Aug 30, 2017, 10:34 PM

This is what they introduced as a possibility last year & it was met with resistance. Without the optional reduced ticket fee to guarantee yourself tickets as a student then they're gonna have to be "satisfied" with the lottery.

Now the 1 thing i would say about the lottery is fix the stupid web site so it doesn't crash.

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If getting a ticket to a football game is your biggest problem


Aug 30, 2017, 12:48 PM

you have it pretty good. I remember getting fired up about those things when I was an undergrad. It really isn't a big deal.

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There's something in these hills.


Luckily I'm not an undergrad anymore


Aug 30, 2017, 3:28 PM

I was also in band, so I never needed to worry about getting tickets. But I respect Clemson traditions and Clemson family, so I think we should have a ticket fee within the tuition bill.

That guarantees tickets for students, and takes any and all exploitative power away from our AD who shouldnt even be in this job anyway.

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Re: Luckily I'm not an undergrad anymore


Sep 1, 2017, 11:56 AM

We, students, had a added "ticket fee" added to our tuition this year, so yes every single one of us should get tickets.

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Re: If you pay $30,000 a year


Aug 30, 2017, 8:26 PM

> Clemson's financial aid system wont even let you get
> a full ride. There are no full scholarships to
> Clemson unless you are on a football, baseball, or
> basketball team. Even if you have enough scholarships
> and financial aid to cover everything, Clemson
> financial aid requires you to pay for some of
> the cost out of pocket, no excuses.

This is just patently false. I got a full ride to Clemson with money back in my pocket. And I serve as a selection committee member for scholarships that award full tuition plus for academics.

You can argue that you think tuition is too expensive but that's not really accurate either if you're making any sort of comparative statement. I agree that, in general, college tuition is too high compared to the value of the product. But Clemson is way in the top percentiles in terms of value vs. cost by virtually any metric.

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Yes it does have to be about the money. Hth***

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Aug 30, 2017, 9:42 AM



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"IDIOT POSTER OF THE MONTH SO FAR...GWP-- You have won IPM Award for your failure to completely comprehend a clear post & then choose to attack someone who points out your ignorance. While you are not yet in the same No Class Catagory as deRoberts, ClemTiger117 & Tigerdug23, you are getting closer to the Sewer Dwellers." - coachmac


I guess we could go back to the Tommy West days

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Aug 30, 2017, 9:43 AM

where you could find any ticket at any time for any game.

That was fun

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My father was a relentlessly self-improving boulangerie owner from Belgium with low grade narcolepsy and a penchant for buggery. My mother was a fifteen year old French prostitute named Chloe with webbed feet. My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament.


Maybe that's what the petition is for, to fire Dabo

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Aug 30, 2017, 9:47 AM

and bring Tommy West back. I'd sign that petition in a heartbeat. I think Dabo reached his peak potential last season and will never be able to take our program any higher than that.

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"IDIOT POSTER OF THE MONTH SO FAR...GWP-- You have won IPM Award for your failure to completely comprehend a clear post & then choose to attack someone who points out your ignorance. While you are not yet in the same No Class Catagory as deRoberts, ClemTiger117 & Tigerdug23, you are getting closer to the Sewer Dwellers." - coachmac


Tommy West is cheaper than Daba for sure***

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Aug 30, 2017, 9:49 AM



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Maybe not if you factor in cost per win.***

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Aug 30, 2017, 10:10 AM



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Why do dogs always race to the door when the doorbell rings? It's almost never for them.


Re: Clemson's got a ticketing problem....

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Aug 30, 2017, 9:44 AM

For $225 he could've secured tickets to every game. I have no issues with the process.

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They offered a plan to sell discounted tickets to students

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Aug 30, 2017, 9:45 AM

,over and above the allotted free tickets a couple of years ago and the students shot it down. Inn fact ,they went on a rabid crusade acting like the allotted tickets were gonna be taken away and were then gonna be sold, that was never the case.




If prior students had been showing up enmass before it became the IT thing to do, the allotment would have been bumped up. Students have gotten themselves into this position. I

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Wrong

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Aug 30, 2017, 10:50 AM

I helped organize the movement to shoot down the situation you are referring to a few years ago.

Dan Radakovich worked out a plan to remove free tickets entirely. Here is how it worked:

The lower deck student section was to be reduced in size (about a quarter of the size it currently is now) and tickets to sit in the lower deck as a student would require you to pay $300, then submit to a lottery without a guaranteed chance of getting the tickets you paid for. If you did not win or sign up for the $300 lottery, you would have to buy individual game tickets at a reduced price (a "student discount" which would've been about half price of face value) for each game, and these individual tickets would be located in ONE top corner of the upper deck (section TDA I believe). There were no allotted free tickets with this previous plan.

Instead of just doing the smart thing and factoring in season tickets as a fee you could include with tuition, they did a really stupid thing in making students pay for and submit to a lottery system for tickets they have no guarantee of earning. Its atrocious.

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Tell him to get a job.***

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Aug 30, 2017, 9:54 AM



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Lemme give you some father to father advice.

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Aug 30, 2017, 9:58 AM

If your daughter can't figure out a way to sneak in the game, with or without a flask, she's gonna last about 15 minutes in the working world. Stop the indignant campaign and tell her to use some of that resourcefulness you've been spending $30k a year for her to develop.

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I agree, but not the way you are thinking.

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Aug 30, 2017, 10:00 AM

For years I watched as students failed to use their allotment to most fb games. And a lot of the ones who came left very early.

I have no idea how feasible it would be, but it would be great if a system could be put in place that rewards the students who attend the lesser games, and those that stay until the end. Member of IPTAY = points. Attends the less desirable games = points. Stays until the end (perhaps scan the ticket at the end of the game) = points. Attends other sporting events = points. Students with the most points will be first in line to get the most desired tickets.

Also eliminate the Greek blocks. Most don't show up anyway.

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Then a student could scam the system and just give

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Aug 30, 2017, 10:09 AM

his/her ticket to a friend to take to the less desirable game. Or if they want to leave early, they just give their ticket to a friend who's staying until the end to scan.

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While true


Aug 30, 2017, 10:12 AM

We don't really care about a student giving "his/her ticket to a friend to take to the less desirable game", because it means the ticket is used and someone is in the seat, which is the goal.

As far as the last issue is concerned, I don't think it is probably feasible, but you could set up an exit gate for students to pass through and scan their tickets 1 per person to prove they were there till the end. Again doubt it's practical, but it's certainly doable.

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As a student, I've always thought this would be a good way


Aug 30, 2017, 10:15 AM

This process would, in theory, help put the ones who want to be there more attend the games.

Also, all blocks have been taken away this season

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From what I understand block tickets are done


Aug 30, 2017, 11:05 AM

They technically had block seating last year, but it wasn't like the old days. A block just meant anyone who got lower deck and selected their group was put in the same section

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The allotment NUMBER does not need to be higher. Look at


Aug 30, 2017, 10:09 AM

last season. Coming off national championship game appearance and the student section had lots of empty seats for many of the games. The allotment SYSTEM may need some tweaking that assigns priority appropriately, based on class, "points", or whatever. Personally I don't see why they can't use the old system of personal appearance on a day by class to get tickets. If they are too lazy to go get a ticket, and will only do so if they can "click" to do so, why would folks think they will actually leave their room to go to the game?

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I agree with the old system but that is not how it works...


Aug 30, 2017, 10:27 AM

you have to do it online. For instance, Sunday is for Student IPTAY, daughter logged in at the correct time and was put in a virtual waiting room, in 30 minutes tickets were gone. On Monday, ticket day for seniors, daughter logged in at the correct time and was put in a virtual waiting room, in 30 minutes tickets were gone.

I think you're right it needs some tweaking...maybe all 12,000 are available on IPTAY day, then the remaining tickts are available on Senior day and so on. If you are a freshman and you want a ticket for a big game you better join Student IPTAY.

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That clearly sounds like there is a system issue. I agree


Aug 30, 2017, 12:51 PM

that the newbies need to join or risk going without. Credit hours (or the like) have to gain you some priority on tickets. Freshman may loose out on a big game here or there, at least in the student ticket area. May have to sit with Mom and Dad!

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Re: Clemson's got a ticketing problem....


Aug 30, 2017, 10:38 AM

My daughter is an IPTAY member and a Freshman. She was unable to get a ticket for either Kent State or Auburn. I understand the Auburn situation, but not to get a ticket to Kent State is rediculous. We were told during orientation if we joined IPTAY we would get first shot at securing a ticket for the upcoming game. Are you telling me there are more than 12,000 student IPTAY members at Clemson? I don't think so

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*ridiculous***


Aug 30, 2017, 10:42 AM



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Exactly! everyone is talking about the Auburn game but

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Aug 30, 2017, 10:58 AM

a number of students were denied tickets to Kent State as well! Imagine being so excited to be going to your first First Friday parade and then your first Clemson game as a student, and you are denied a ticket! Your college experience begins as sitting in a dorm room on game day instead of in the stadium!

And points for lesser sporting events isn't a good idea as it penalizes students who have challenging majors and need to spend most of their time studying so they can take off on Saturday to attend football games. Clemson is a top university that isn't a cake walk on the academic side. We need to reinforce finding that balance.

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Re: Clemson's got a ticketing problem....


Aug 30, 2017, 1:12 PM

Student Iptay gets a set amount of tickets to give out

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wow - a lot has changed since i graduated in 81.


Aug 30, 2017, 10:50 AM

everyone was charged a "activity fee" and got tickets to all events. seniors got the best tickets, around 40 yard line and worked the way back and ended with freshmen sitting in section GG.
hard to believe that section GG would be sold out to the point that students cannot be there. I also see top corners of upper decks empty most games.
how any student cannot get tickets for Kent st - is crazy.

I used to laugh at a friend of mine that went to Ohio state tell me he received tickets to 1 or 2 games a year. sad.
i understand it is about money - but jeez - the school is for students first.

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Activity fee was for Fike, et al., not tickets.***


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I don't like to talk about activity fees


Aug 30, 2017, 7:45 PM

My senior year (2002) all students were charged an activity fee. That year they closed down Fike to remodel. We all paid an activity fee and didn't get the use of the "activity" on campus

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It has changed a bunch, that's true


Aug 30, 2017, 10:54 AM

Right now any ticket system in place has to try and balance 3 things

1) Opportunity for students to attend any given game
2) Maximize student attendance for every game
3) Meet the financial responsibilities of modern college football

I certainly think our system can be improved, but I can't imagine we will ever be able to create a system which meets the above and still satisfies every party for every game.

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Re: wow - a lot has changed since i graduated in 81.


Aug 30, 2017, 9:19 PM

Yep. We got to our seats early in 1981: hot, cold, rain or shine. Stayed till the end. Drank Jack Daniels, Jim Beam, and stood up the whole game except at the half. We were not distracted by smart phones, internet, texting, etc.

We came to cheer on the Tigers, and watch Danny's boys whip up on whoever we played - DAWGS, Coots, Terps, Deacons, Billy Goats !!!

Other crap like texting, watching tv in the parking lot, playing video games didn't matter.

Go Tigers!!!

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When I first saw your post I thought you were referring to

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Aug 30, 2017, 11:08 AM

this ticketing problem....



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Aspiring member of the TigerNet Sewer Dwellers


Ditto here***


Aug 30, 2017, 12:55 PM



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Why do dogs always race to the door when the doorbell rings? It's almost never for them.


Re: Clemson's got a ticketing problem....


Aug 30, 2017, 11:14 AM

Its been this way the past two years. Before that people stood in line. That had its own problems because these dumb frats were using one person to hold a spot in line for 20 people. Everyone wants change well they are about to get it. DRAD will do what he recommended last year. He will sell the lower bowl student tickets as season tickets for $250. The students that want to attend bad enough will pay and the rest wont. Then we will see how badly students will want to go to the game.

No they can't set aside 23,000 tickets because in case you haven't noticed college football is an arms race. We have to compete with all the major universities financially and we don't get SEC money. So in order to continue to compete for recruits/championships then we have to bring in the cash.

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That sounds like a plan...let the students buy

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Aug 30, 2017, 11:22 AM

season tickets at a student price. If any tickets are left over from the 12,000 they go into the lottery.

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Y'all don't want to hear this,


Aug 30, 2017, 11:15 AM

but the days of free student tickets are dying. Clemson is one of the last major holdouts for free tickets.

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As size of the student body increases, this will get worse


Aug 30, 2017, 11:19 AM

This has been going on at every large school in the country for decades. Schools with large student body sizes can't guarantee a ticket to everyone. There seems to be no easy solution. Some schools make students scan their ID's to everything they do during the semester to see how "active" they are in the student body. This determines whether or not they get tickets.
Some schools have undergraduate classes of 30k, 40k, 50k, and even larger. Clemson is no longer 6-10k like in the 80's. 23k and the lower deck only holds 58k total. Not going to happen. A record of 60.1 million came into IPTAY last year. Those are the facts. I personally don't know how to fix it. An I honestly don't think anyone else does either.

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Re: Clemson's got a ticketing problem....


Aug 30, 2017, 11:10 PM

My daughter went to Wake Forest (son Clemson) ......she never had a ticket problem!

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Re: Clemson's got a ticketing problem....


Sep 1, 2017, 12:59 PM

Most schools just charge like a 300-500$ athletic activity fee at the start of the school year to be sure all students will be guaranteed tickets. Why don't we try this? I'm sure our students wouldn't mind.

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