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If I were the Devil
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If I were the Devil


May 15, 2021, 9:20 AM

“If I were the prince of darkness, I would want to engulf the whole world in darkness. I’d have a third of its real estate and four-fifths of its population, but I would not be happy until I had seized the ripest apple on the tree — thee. So, I would set about however necessary to take over the United States.

“I’d subvert the churches first, and I would begin with a campaign of whispers. With the wisdom of a serpent, I would whisper to you as I whispered to Eve: ‘Do as you please.’

“To the young, I would whisper that the Bible is a myth. I would convince the children that man created God instead of the other way around. I’d confide that what’s bad is good and what’s good is square. And the old, I would teach to pray after me, ‘Our Father, which art in Washington ...’

“Then, I’d get organized, I’d educate authors in how to make lurid literature exciting so that anything else would appear dull and uninteresting. I’d peddle narcotics to whom I could. I’d sell alcohol to ladies and gentlemen of distinction. I’d tranquilize the rest with pills.

“If I were the devil, I’d soon have families at war with themselves, churches at war with themselves and nations at war with themselves until each, in its turn, was consumed. And with promises of higher ratings, I’d have mesmerizing media fanning the flames.

“If I were the devil, I would encourage schools to refine young intellect but neglect to discipline emotions. I’d tell teachers to let those students run wild. And before you knew it, you’d have drug-sniffing dogs and metal detectors at every schoolhouse door. With a decade, I’d have prisons overflowing and judges promoting pornography. Soon, I would evict God from the courthouse and the schoolhouse and then from the houses of Congress. In his own churches, I would substitute psychology for religion and deify science. I’d lure priests and pastors into misusing boys and girls and church money.

“If I were the devil, I’d take from those who have and give to those who wanted until I had killed the incentive of the ambitious. What’ll you bet I couldn’t get whole states to promote gambling as the way to get rich?

“I’d convince the young that marriage is old-fashioned, that swinging is more fun and that what you see on television is the way to be. And thus, I could undress you in public and lure you into bed with diseases for which there are no cures.

“In other words, if I were the devil, I’d just keep right on doing what he’s doing.”

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“poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids.”


Re: If I were the Devil


May 15, 2021, 9:37 AM

Ooh...can I play?

"If I were the devil, I would endeavor to convince certain of the people that democracy itself was under attack from within, that their neighbors, who they had known their whole lives, were in fact their enemies, that those with different political affiliations, were in fact, subverting the system, stuffing ballot boxes, and voting with their dead mothers on a mass scale. I would convince them that war was eminent."

"If I was the devil, I would induce in them a state of perpetual panic, convince them that the world is circling the drain, that it was once great but is now on the brink of absolute cataclysm, and that only immediate and decisive action by a great leader can save us. Mind, this is exactly what EVERY cult seeks to teach its followers, but hey, I'm the Devil...where do you think Jim Jones and Charlie Manson got their bag?"

"If I was the devil, I would go after the opposition's ability to tell basic truth by destroying the very notion of truth, and to do that, I would make my own heralds complete liars. My OWN messengers would go forth and spew falsehoods at such at rate the bullsh!t would pour forth as if from a firehose, at such a volume it would overwhelm the voices coming from the other side, and in so doing, the people would become confused about basic facts, about what is true, and what is not. And so the devil gives you...Fox News. And NewsMax. And OAN. And amplifies all that tenfold with Social Media."

I could go on and on, but you get the idea.

Evil is where you see it, boo. Stick it where the sun don't shine.

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It's obvious that neither of you are the Devil


May 15, 2021, 9:49 AM

...because he's playing both of you to turn against each other.

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Re: It's obvious that neither of you are the Devil


May 15, 2021, 10:30 AM

No, my man, there is not a middle ground on this.

He is actively working himself up into a lather. He is convincing himself the "other side" is evil.

When you do that, when you divide the world into two teams, "us and them", make a tribe, and convince yourself the other side is evil and in fact possessed by the devil, you're headed down a dangerous road.

I myself don't see the "devil's" hand in this, just foolish mens'. It's the same old same old: vanity, pride, a blind will to power. (I guess you could claim it's the "devil", but we're capable of that all on our own.)

The problem is, it's idiocy. "Liberalism" is just based on the idea that tomorrow can be better than today. Without liberalism there is no progress, we'd still be stuck in caves without even so much as fire. "Conservatism" is ultimately based on pragmatism and safety. The two are not mutual enemies; it's just a freaking perpetual balancing act.

Idiots who don't understand that - like this guy - and think the two are somehow warring tribes that must inevitably wipe one another out (or that one side is motivated by the "prince of darkness") are dangers to us all.

It's called "extremism." And I'm losing my patience with it.

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Oh yeah?!


May 15, 2021, 10:35 AM

Well, I think Emperor Palpatine is actually trying to destroy us and America. That's my favorite fictional character to blame.

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Re: It's obvious that neither of you are the Devil


May 15, 2021, 12:23 PM [ in reply to Re: It's obvious that neither of you are the Devil ]



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Re: It's obvious that neither of you are the Devil


May 15, 2021, 4:28 PM

Well, be sharp with them on the Internet, for now.

BUT I have in mind a Next Step. Remember that movie Scanners?

Soon, T3. Soon. My enemies will all learn to fear me.



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Get on with it or shut the #### up.***


May 15, 2021, 5:29 PM



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Re: Get on with it or shut the #### up.***


May 15, 2021, 10:39 PM

I think it's a GPS issue. Stop wigglin' a sec, and let me see...

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Re: If I were the Devil


May 15, 2021, 10:12 AM [ in reply to Re: If I were the Devil ]

I miss the days when Hannity and Colms would play fight in staged political wrestling matches, where Hannity would ultimately win, and at worst, liberals were just squirrely little nerds with glasses, and not pure evil reincarnated.

Jesus, where did we make a wrong turn?




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Maybe because you are


May 16, 2021, 9:22 AM

squirrelly nerds with glasses play with drones and video games and claiming to be more important than you are?

If the shoe fits…..

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Re: Maybe because you are


May 17, 2021, 1:33 PM

squirrelly nerds with glasses get partnership offers from their companies, loud mouth suck-ups remain little errand boys.

hth

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Re: If I were the Devil


May 16, 2021, 11:19 AM [ in reply to Re: If I were the Devil ]



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May 15, 2021, 11:26 AM [ in reply to Re: If I were the Devil ]

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On which point are the two of you disagreeing?


May 15, 2021, 11:46 AM

[Edit: Sorry, responded to my own post when attempting to edit, so deleted the first one.]

Forget the fact that one of you invokes a spiritual reality and one likely denies it. [I will point out that the same derisive comments some make toward current believers - you didn't do so - would have to be made to Jefferson, Washington, et all, and I don't doubt they feel arrogant enough to do that should the opportunity arise. But that is irrelevant to this.]

Where you seem to agree is the changing definition of truth.

The Declaration includes a dog whistle. "We hold these truths..." was a near quote by John Locke, and referenced the entire Enlightenment philosophy as held by Locke. That sentence defines a relationship between truth and individual, and describes why that type of relationship exists - namely that truth is external to mankind, and can only be discerned, never created. The Declaration proposes a state based on that idea.

I disagree with those who say the US has been successful because God blessed us, though He certainly has: Followers of Jesus experience success and failure alike. Instead, we followed a certain definition of truth and a resulting definition of the individual, and when one follows truth good things happen. One can, for instance, curse the God who says "Dont sleep with your secretary", but his wife will nevertheless be better cared for if he doesn't sleep with his secretary. Back when we had secretaries.

Believe in God or not, the common theme of both of your posts is a changing assumption of what truth is and the independence of each individual's understanding of it. I happen to believe that if one believes God exists one will view truth this way, and if one does not believe in God one will view truth as internal and relative. I think that is the source of the cultural shift we are seeing. But regardless of that, you both seem to agree on the fact that this cultural shirt is happening.

So what is the disagreement?

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LOL this is brilliant.


May 15, 2021, 5:28 PM [ in reply to Re: If I were the Devil ]

The lack of self awareness is stunning but the fact that you’re arguing with a Paul Harvey meme from ages ago because you think he’s talking about Democrats in 2021(tacitly admitting that it fits perfectly) is delicious.

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Re: LOL this is brilliant.


May 16, 2021, 2:11 PM

Huh. I did some googlin' and you are indeed correct. Bravo with your Could-Win-At-Jeopardy Brain. I didn't recognize the material at all.

Might be more clever a bit of trollage than I initially gave the OP credit for, but he just hit and ran, and he's been so scattershot with other posts it's difficult to give him credit for that much irony. He just seems to be trolling straight out of the daily Own-The-Libs blast from #TruPatriot238 on Parler. I mean, this one was admittedly pretty good (and it definitely yanked my chain pretty hard!), but does he know from whence this stuff comes?

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Re: If I were the Devil


May 15, 2021, 10:23 AM



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If you were the Devil, I would have sympathy for you


May 15, 2021, 11:34 AM

juss sayin...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgnClrx8N2k

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Excellent. A favorite. Is okay when the Stones say it.***


May 15, 2021, 12:00 PM



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I tell you what I'd do, I would quit my devil'in days


May 15, 2021, 12:11 PM

and work on a building too.

Working on a building,
I'm workin on a building,
Workin on a building, for my Lord, forrrr my Lord

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Re: If I were the Devil


May 15, 2021, 12:56 PM

If I were the Devil I would have Christian Conservatives bend the knee and proclaim fealty to man who doesn't ask for forgiveness and bangs pron stars while his third baby mama is tending to the birth of his fifth child.

Oh yeah, and this.



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You two need to talk.


May 16, 2021, 2:05 PM

https://www.tigernet.com/clemson-forum/message/keep-your-binary-logic-away-from-me-tard-28952986#28952986




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Re: You two need to talk.


May 16, 2021, 7:21 PM

Do you not agree that the Devil is DELIGHTED that Trump is the leader of Conservative Christians nationwide?

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Re: If I were the Devil


May 15, 2021, 1:09 PM

Some good replies in here... made me LOL

Lemme settle this once and for all.

If I were the Devil, I’d be make believe, from Imaginationland

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You’d better hope you’re right


May 15, 2021, 1:45 PM



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Re: You’d better hope you’re right


May 15, 2021, 3:50 PM

Why would it even concern you? If you heaven and hell exists and you and other Christians (think) you’re going upstairs why would you even care if I’m not?

just a side mote: any organization (religious or otherwise)that has to threaten and scare people into belief is questionable at best

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Re: You’d better hope you’re right


May 15, 2021, 4:32 PM



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Re: You’d better hope you’re right


May 15, 2021, 5:02 PM

i'll take solace in the belief that (if so) many of the people that fancy themselves Christians will be right there burning with the heathens

and thx for being a care bear

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Re: You’d better hope you’re right


May 15, 2021, 6:33 PM [ in reply to Re: You’d better hope you’re right ]

Yeah, your Christian nature and civility is really great at convincing people to join your team.

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May 16, 2021, 12:21 PM



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Re: You’d better hope you’re right


May 16, 2021, 1:41 PM

So, paraphrasing what you have said in the past: You regard anyone who is "liberal" as your enemy and that you refuse to associate with them or be friendly to them. You've also made it pretty clear that if a person disagrees with you, he's a "lib" or a "fake independent". And again, you won't associate with that person or be friendly to him.

Can you help me understand how this fits into the teachings of Christ?

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Re: You’d better hope you’re right


May 16, 2021, 2:14 PM



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Re: You’d better hope you’re right


May 16, 2021, 10:54 PM

I'm referring to how you treat other ordinary people who disagree with you, not politicians or extremists burning down buildings. You've made it clear you feel this way about anyone who harbors different political beliefs. The behavior is decisively not Christian.

There are many tenets of what our country was founded upon that are still considered "liberal" to this day.

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May 16, 2021, 11:08 PM



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Re: You’d better hope you’re right


May 16, 2021, 11:13 PM

Thanks for proving my point. First, you, NC, Mountaineers, et al, are not conservatives. You're extremists.

Secondly, based on your behavior and past posts, you are most certainly not a Christian. A Christian does not treat people like you do on here, and it is very clear you do not follow the teachings of the gospels. Prod is the model of a Christian on this board.

I see it's late and this is usually the time you're most hostile. I'm not sure what happens at night to make you this way, but it's fairly clockwork.

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Re: You’d better hope you’re right


May 16, 2021, 11:58 PM



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Re: You’d better hope you’re right


May 17, 2021, 8:06 AM

Coincidentally, or not, it’s also the same time that you usually show up on here. You live to provoke people on this board. We’ll see where it gets you.


Eh, I'm not on at night that much but okay. I know you think challenging your opinions or disagreeing with you is "provoking" you, but most adults understand that this a message board where people debate ideas. You seem to believe that you get to dictate when someone can reply to you. In another thread, you told deweathers--who wasn't even addressing you--to stay off your thread.

You don't own any threads, and anyone who wants to reply to you can do so. And you have to deal with it.

It’s funny that you label us as “extremists” yet there are a number of people on this board who are admitted liberal extremists. In a year and half on here, I’ve never seen you provoke, attack, criticize or even challenge ONE of them. I wonder why that is.


Well, based on y'all opinions, you are. Especially post-Capitol raid. Which "liberal extremists" do you think I should be criticizing?

According to dictionary.com the definition of conservative is “disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change.” I’d say if you were truly an independent or libertarian or whatever, you’d lean closer to that definition and us extremists rather than those who want to radically change the US and impose more government.


Well, gosh, if dictionary.com says so...

C'mon.

As far as Judeo-Christian value influence, you and Tony can believe HuffPo and whatever else you want. The article I posted agrees with what I said.


I didn't read his HuffPo article. I posted an editorial from a historian, but you didn't respond. That's who I lean on. Historians. Simply put, our nation wasn't founded on those principles. But I'll entertain you listing what those principles are.

As for Prod, I don’t believe there is a scale of Christianity. To be a Christian means that you have accepted Jesus as your Lord and savior period.


Seems I recall there being some talk that a Christian should try to live his life as much like Christ as possible...

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Re: You’d better hope you’re right


May 16, 2021, 11:59 AM [ in reply to Re: You’d better hope you’re right ]

What would be better is if believers actually walked the walk instead of just talking the talk.

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Re: You’d better hope you’re right


May 15, 2021, 6:35 PM [ in reply to You’d better hope you’re right ]

The Devil was a fabrication of the Catholic Church long after Christ died to scare people, especially powerful ones, into compliance.

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Shut up or you will burn for eternity


May 16, 2021, 6:52 AM

yup, that sounds like things people would do and say. They used to set people on fire for not prostrating themselves to the church as well. Eventually, they came here to get away from all that.

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Re: Shut up or you will burn for eternity


May 16, 2021, 1:43 PM

It's funny how so many here want to infuse religion into government and force it on the people, and they have pretty much no historical knowledge of what happened in Europe to lead the founding fathers to kick it out of government. If they studied that, they would know people were killed just for liking a different style of Christianity.

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Re: Shut up or you will burn for eternity


May 16, 2021, 10:08 PM



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Re: Shut up or you will burn for eternity


May 16, 2021, 10:33 PM

“ It’s a fact that the country was founded on Judeo-Christian principles”. Ummmmm ..... well....


https://www.huffpost.com/entry/founding-fathers-we-are-n_b_6761840


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Didn’t say we were a Christian nation


May 16, 2021, 10:49 PM



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You said...


May 16, 2021, 11:02 PM

It was founded on Judeo-Christian principles, which is also false.

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Re: You said...


May 16, 2021, 11:10 PM



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Absolutely not.


May 16, 2021, 11:15 PM

I can reply to any of your posts I see fit and have a discussion with you. You have not been personally attacked. You made a claim and I said that it was a false one. And it is.

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Re: You said...


May 17, 2021, 2:02 AM [ in reply to Re: You said... ]

Lol. I’d think someone always claiming to know so much would know that the “Christian principles” as you describe them were around long before the Judeo Christian was even a thing

So you’re wrong on all counts
#thyshallnotbearfalsewitness(lie)

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Re: You said...


May 17, 2021, 4:57 AM



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Re: You said...


May 17, 2021, 8:07 AM

"It’s a fact that the country was founded on Judeo-Christian principles."

https://www.tigernet.com/clemson-forum/message/re-shut-up-or-you-will-burn-for-eternity-28954259


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Re: You said...


May 17, 2021, 9:16 AM



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Re: You said...


May 17, 2021, 9:41 AM

I know you didn't call for a theocracy. The OP hinted at it. But you said America was founded on Judeo-Christian principles, which it was not, and now you're claiming you didn't say that when you clearly did.

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AS WELL AS THIS


May 17, 2021, 9:52 AM



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Re: You said...


May 17, 2021, 10:08 AM [ in reply to Re: You said... ]

Correction: Tony provided a piece w/ a direct quote from John Adams ... you know a Founder whom stated clearly, unless you think Huff post made it up lol

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May 17, 2021, 10:36 AM



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Re: You said...


May 17, 2021, 1:24 PM

Well clearly whomever wrote that article knows more about what this great country was founded on than the people who are actually call the “founding fathers” haha
BTW, There are way more quotes from more FF’s out there, that made it absolutely clear

You just can’t can not admit that ur wrong, misspoke, or whatever. It’s quite humorous really

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Re: Shut up or you will burn for eternity


May 16, 2021, 11:01 PM [ in reply to Re: Shut up or you will burn for eternity ]

The OP was basically pushing for a theocratic move.

It’s a fact that the country was founded on Judeo-Christian principles.

No, it wasn't. This is a myth. If our founding fathers wanted to create the nation based on those principles, they would have decisively written it into our Constitution. They made it explicitly clear that we were not to be a religious nation.

A lot of our laws back in the 18th century were absurd and we wouldn't want to go back to them. They aren't rooted in Biblical followings. And not killing someone or harming others extends well beyond Christianity. That's a concept that has been around for some time.

I encourage you to read this piece from a historian who shows that the Christians of those days were quite different than the ones today.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2017/07/04/what-politicians-mean-when-they-say-america-was-founded-as-a-christian-nation/


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Re: You’d better hope you’re right


May 16, 2021, 5:30 PM [ in reply to Re: You’d better hope you’re right ]

The Catholic Church is about 2000 years old. The book of Genesis is about 3400 years old. The devil appears in Genesis 3:1 so you’re off about 1400 years.

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Re: You’d better hope you’re right


May 16, 2021, 11:09 PM

The serpent appears in Genesis. Not all theologians agree he is Satan. It's even more ambiguous in Isaiah when discussing Lucifer.

The modern day view of the devil, hell, demons, etc., was concocted by the Catholic Church and much of it by Dante. Over time, they not only were effective tools to keep kings in line, but became convenient scapegoats to punish others, like in the Salem witch trials.

The Bible doesn't even describe the devil in detail, yet what image do we have when we think of him? Horns, pitchfork, cloven feet, etc? All created later by the church and Dante.

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Re: If I were the Devil


May 15, 2021, 2:42 PM

Tiger Cook what year did Paul Harvey say that long quote? I know it’s been many years. The man was a visionary.

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Re: If I were the Devil


May 15, 2021, 4:18 PM



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Re: If I were the Devil


May 15, 2021, 4:30 PM

https://youtu.be/XacvydVrhuI

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Re: If I were the Devil


May 15, 2021, 8:04 PM

Excellent post. Agree or not, excellent post!

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the tug abides


We give the devil too much credit.


May 19, 2021, 9:38 PM

It seems you're blaming all man's sin on the devil.

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Re: We give the devil too much credit.


May 19, 2021, 9:56 PM

That slitherer is tricky like that.

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