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Should G5 Teams Have Own National Champion?
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Should G5 Teams Have Own National Champion?


Dec 2, 2021, 6:42 PM

Should the group of 5 teams just have their own National Champion?

Cincinatti - assuming they win this weekend - will have posted the strongest resume to date out of G5 teams with a solid win on the road against Notre Dame. Yet, there is strong talk about them not getting in possibly.

With there seemingly "not being a realistic shot" of ever being considered even at your best to win a National Championship(or even compete for one). Do any of you think it would be a good idea to have a G5 National Champion?

If you don't think so; then how is it okay or do you also disagree with: FCS - National Champion, Div.III, II?

I kind of lean to it being something that needs to happen! Clemson runs with the big boys - so I have no horse in the race - but just doesn't seem like a meaningful existence if you really (beyond the bottom falling out and you being perfect)of ever competing for a National Championship in FBS.

What are your thoughts? Why would it be a horrible idea?

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Re: Should G5 Teams Have Own National Champion?


Dec 2, 2021, 6:45 PM

I totally agree with your idea. The only issue is if the current playoff season goes the 12 teams that’s gonna open it up to the group of five. So it would probably throw a wrench in that idea.

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I agree


Dec 2, 2021, 6:54 PM

They could run it within the existing bowl schedule and bring increased interest to those games

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Re: Should G5 Teams Have Own National Champion?


Dec 2, 2021, 7:17 PM

I have been waiting for them to just tell everyone to F off and do their own thing. They will never get a fair shot.

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Re: Should G5 Teams Have Own National Champion?


Dec 2, 2021, 7:21 PM

Sure, but what happens in that one odd year where Notre Dame beats the eventual PAC 12 champion and Clemson in the same season and is sitting at 11-1 with a loss to Purdue.

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UCF already won a National championship


Dec 2, 2021, 7:32 PM

Kidding aside, I think the idea has some merit, but will take a wait and see attitude and see if Cincy kicks the CFP door in. If they make it this year, and particularly with expansion talks, I am against it.

If Cincy wins and somehow gets left out, I will have to rethink. If they lose Saturday, they will have pretty much proven that a G5 team doesn’t belong…at least in the current format.

But I think the G5 needs to make that call, not the CFP. If they want to continue to fight and claw and eventually claw their way in, then I say go for it. After all, Coastal Carolina won the CWS.

Will be interesting to see how the teams moving up from G5 to P5 do in their new leagues. That could impact my opinion, too.

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Hey...Bama has several self-proclaimed national titles...


Dec 3, 2021, 8:11 AM

so why shouldn't UCF?

Heck Clemson finished the season undefeated in 1900, in 1948, and again in 1950.

Perhaps we can claim three more national championships too.

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Re: Should G5 Teams Have Own National Champion?


Dec 2, 2021, 8:16 PM

If they are part of the same division they should be treated as such.
If not give them their own championship!

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Re: Should G5 Teams Have Own National Champion?


Dec 2, 2021, 10:28 PM

Some good discussion; thank you all!

It's just hard to know how much it "CO$tT" to have a FBS football team and not look at a G5 school and go: "are you nuts"?
Even a Really good and powerful G5 team has a Slim to No chance? It's tough because a trip to Texas for Coastal probably cost just as much as it does for Clemson! But, for far less revenue if any in return! Meals, insurance, Jerseys, equipment, tickets, etc. all cost $$$$$$$! And honestly; "even if you are good, it still may not net you a NC"!
I feel it needs to be the P5 conference's best 4. And, the G5 conference-best 4 playing for it all!

It squelches the expansion talk!
You can still get FBS wins by beating/playing G5 teams.
The bowl system would not be affected.
-you keep everything the same except two bowl games that are exclusively for G5 semi-final teams. Say, the Outback and the Citrus(pick your favorite two and place here). Then you could have a championship weekend. G5 that Saturday and P5 on Monday!

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Re: Should G5 Teams Have Own National Champion?


Dec 2, 2021, 10:30 PM

Meant to add!
The rest of the bowl games could still mix/match P5 and G5 teams! One ranking system as well. Top 4 G5 make it per the playoff committee.

I think it would be a nice revenue stream for some (probably) Southern city when they invite two fan bases to their city who are there to see their team win a Championship!
Bowl games would still matter - I love the bowl games myself - I know many people hate them!

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The G5 is barely on par with FCS.


Dec 3, 2021, 8:19 AM

And in many cases, much worse. I dont want to hear about "fair". Such a #### snowflake response. Lets take a look at the teams that, lets say, Cincinnati played this year (and note they squeaked by many of these teams).

Miami of OH
Murray State
Indiana
Temple
UCF
Navy
Tulane
Tulsa
South Florida
SMU
East Carolina

You cant play a highschool regular season schedule and demand to be included. Sorry, thats not how life works. Nor should it be.

And yes, the Notre Dame win.....if thats all it takes for it to be "fair" to play for a natty, well, sheesh, I got nothing for ya man.

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Re: The G5 is barely on par with FCS.


Dec 3, 2021, 12:20 PM

PioneerG said:

And in many cases, much worse. I dont want to hear about "fair". Such a #### snowflake response. Lets take a look at the teams that, lets say, Cincinnati played this year (and note they squeaked by many of these teams).

Miami of OH
Murray State
Indiana
Temple
UCF
Navy
Tulane
Tulsa
South Florida
SMU
East Carolina

You cant play a highschool regular season schedule and demand to be included. Sorry, thats not how life works. Nor should it be.

And yes, the Notre Dame win.....if thats all it takes for it to be "fair" to play for a natty, well, sheesh, I got nothing for ya man.




All you said is why I asked the question though! To your point - you have to play your schedule and if your schedule is a G5 conference majority - "you're basically disqualified from participating for a FBS National Championship"!
Not so much a question about "fairness" as it is - are we following the process that best makes sense if you are a school in the G5!

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Re: The G5 is barely on par with FCS.


Dec 3, 2021, 2:42 PM [ in reply to The G5 is barely on par with FCS. ]

You left out Notre Dame. But if they are not good enough to be a part of the top division then give them their own division. If you say they are in the same division then all the teams are equal.

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Re: Should G5 Teams Have Own National Champion?


Dec 3, 2021, 8:40 AM

I think they should.. then perhaps there could be some sort of promotion/relegation setup that if a team dominates the G5 long enough, they can replace some struggling p5 team.

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Re: Should G5 Teams Have Own National Champion?


Dec 3, 2021, 10:19 AM

Promotion and relegation is a much better system than the current system for US Sports. The Us sports system is ridiculous when compared to the European model. Promotion and relegation make everything matter more and breeds more competition and better stories.

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Re: Should G5 Teams Have Own National Champion?


Dec 3, 2021, 2:44 PM

I didn't even know they had college football in Europe.

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Re: Should G5 Teams Have Own National Champion?


Dec 3, 2021, 9:12 AM

Hmmm..

Might as well...

Seeing that they'll never see the CFP(Maybe Cincy will finally break the mold)..

Looks like the intent of the CFP is to keep the G5 from crashing the party..

Could imagine if the CFP was back when the Utah's(MWC) Boise State's(WAC/MWC) were crashing the BCS?

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Re: Should G5 Teams Have Own National Champion?


Dec 3, 2021, 9:13 AM

Yes, let’s get back to the days of 1A and 1AA. Bowl games suck.

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Add Relegation to that and it's perfect


Dec 3, 2021, 9:35 AM

Cinci could move up for a few years, Vandy and the Coots could move down for a few years.

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If Cincy wins this weekend and DOESN'T get in, then the


Dec 3, 2021, 10:07 AM

Committee in future should just completely do away with the sham, and not even bother to rank Group of Five teams at all in their rankings.

No point, if they don't have even the Snowball's Chance in H-ell of ever getting in.

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Re: If Cincy wins this weekend and DOESN'T get in, then the


Dec 3, 2021, 1:02 PM

If Cincy wins they are in IF only one (or more) of these also happens:

A) Georgia wins. Cincy in.
B) Michigan loses. Cincy in.
C) Oklahoma State loses. Cincy in.

If any of A or B or C occur, and Cincy wins, they are in. The odds are heavily in their favor.

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Re: Should G5 Teams Have Own National Champion?


Dec 31, 2021, 5:49 PM

Yes!

Yes, they should!

All the playoff expansion talks is crazy.

Keep everything as is with the exception of making two of the bowl games for the top two group of 5 teams.

It especially makes sense if P5 schools continue making "Super Conferences"! The champion out of that super conference makes the playoff. That way; each week is a must have.

Make the bowl games count toward home field or something the following season for the conference that wins the most.

Bowl games are loved by coaches for 1 reason! "Extra practice time"! Imagine Clemson's season ending in November and not having those extra reps for the young guys or next years new starters. It's invaluable. Expanding the playoff involves a lot of stuff most models I see; do not take into account like missed revenue for non-playoff teams as one example.

The group of 5 needs their own Championship in my opinion. Clear up the need to "get everybody involved"!

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