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Idaho sticks it to teachers’ union
Mar 9, 2021, 7:51 PM
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This is amazing. Provides special education parents with $ to make their own decision.
I hope all these lazy ### teachers and thei lack of concern for the students bites them hard, all over Country.
I mean we have a resident jounger who is begging for student loan forgiveness, begging for stimulus checks, all the while complaining about how HARD it is to teach virtually and not wanting to go back to work. All the while.....getting paid the whole past year. It’s ludicrous.
https://twitter.com/annakate_miller/status/1369420034578276360?s=21
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nice, take the cash and choose public or private education
Mar 9, 2021, 7:57 PM
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everyone wins
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I have lost all patience for teachers that
Mar 9, 2021, 8:29 PM
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constantly complain, look for handouts and don’t want to work. It’s gotten past ridiculous and I am happy that legislators have woken up.
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Re: I have lost all patience for teachers that
Mar 9, 2021, 8:31 PM
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I don’t think teachers should be allowed to go anywhere that others have been working the whole time. Grocery store, restaurant, Lowe’s, etc.
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A little extreme, but appreciate the
Mar 9, 2021, 8:38 PM
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sentiment.
My son was sounding out words last night better than ever. It was amazing. If he was not in school, there is no way that would be happening. My wife and I work and have meetings all day. No way we could afford to spend the time to teach all he is getting in school. Public Schools have gotten a pass for far too long.
Look my kids have been in school since September with only one week missed with me being the positive and the issue. Kudos to the teachers in his school for being willing to work and caring for the kids.
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I'm guessing none of the teachers at his school have died.
Mar 9, 2021, 10:13 PM
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None fell over in the hallways, anything like that.
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In person learning is more effective for 1 of my 2 kids
Mar 10, 2021, 2:14 AM
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The other does better with virtual school. Kids have done well overall in both scenarios. Going back in-person while still having some virtual students has increased teacher workload beyond normal, and been a real challenge for some of the older teachers.
Our teachers have all been working hard even when remote. Granted they don’t provide the free babysitting service that you/some parents need. But nobody’s really complaining about remote office workers now either.
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You know where their ignorance really stems from?
Mar 10, 2021, 10:29 AM
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It's the public vs. private thing. For them, if the person is a public employee, they're terrible. But they don't realize how dumb they sound.
"I hate public school teachers because they get my taxpayer money and they're lazy if they express job concerns!"
Okay, but how about we take that public money and give it to private school teachers who aren't as qualified?
"What? Give my taxpayer money to people working for private institutions?! YES!"
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you clearly don't understand the value of competition***
Mar 10, 2021, 10:45 AM
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Re: you clearly don't understand the value of competition***
Mar 10, 2021, 10:53 AM
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If you support vouchers, you're the one who doesn't understand nor do you get why they were created.
The voucher system was created as a response to desegregation. It was a clever way to create publicly-funded whites only Christian schools.
Voucher systems haven't created any real competition, and private schools already exist to compete against public ones without the voucher programs. Private schools tend to have such low standards of employment and academics, public schools aren't really looking at them as competitors.
But most of all from a conservative angle, what self-respecting conservative actually supports public money being given out to private institutions?
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Re: you clearly don't understand the value of competition***
Mar 10, 2021, 11:29 AM
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no
most likely the opposite
why do you hate freedom and children?
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Oh, please explain.
Mar 10, 2021, 1:32 PM
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Explain how this involves "freedom and children" and how I hate them?
I won't hold my breath, but maybe you'll surprise me.
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I don't have a problem with tax dollars
Mar 10, 2021, 2:17 PM
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educating your children with the public school system and you should not have a problem with tax dollars educating my children with private education. I don't mind the inferior education.
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Re: I don't have a problem with tax dollars
Mar 11, 2021, 8:00 AM
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Yes, every American should have a problem with tax dollars going to private schools because they are private institutions. On top of that, they're permitted to discriminate against whomever they want when it comes to admissions--on the public dime.
Remember back when people pitched a fit about the Citadel having to take women because they were a public institution and received public money? And a judge said they had to take them?
Yeah.
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Re: Oh, please explain.
Mar 10, 2021, 6:28 PM
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explain how your mind traveled from vouchers to this
"to create publicly-funded whites only Christian schools"
may i add
happy white boy wednesday!
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Re: You know where their ignorance really stems from?
Mar 10, 2021, 6:20 PM
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Where do you get the data for private school teachers being less qualified than public school teachers?
You do realize most of the private school teachers were teachers at public schools. I work at a private school ( non academic position) and the teachers have the same credentials as their public school counterparts. My wife taught at Dorman High school for seven years, we didn’t realize when she applied and was hired by a private school she became less qualified over night. We have teachers go to teach at public schools and start teaching on day one and vice versa.
I get it you don’t like private Christian schools, but the quality of teachers should not be the reason.
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Re: You know where their ignorance really stems from?
Mar 10, 2021, 6:39 PM
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I think a different way to phrase the argument against the existence of school vouchers is that private schools are allowed to choose whether or not a student is accepted. This sometimes leads to students being denied from the school. I know someone who tried to get her son into heritage christian academy and was denied because of his disability.
So with a school voucher program, you're taking money away from the public system that must accept all students and reallocating it to a private system that is not required to accept all students. And until that changes, it seems like a bad idea to me.
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Re: You know where their ignorance really stems from?
Mar 10, 2021, 6:55 PM
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That is a valid point. The school that I work at has specialized teachers for some different disabilities, but they are not a big department.
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Re: You know where their ignorance really stems from?
Mar 11, 2021, 8:39 AM
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You aren't required to have a teaching degree or certificate to teach at a private school. It doesn't mean every person teaching there is less qualified, and my apologies if it came across that way. But on the whole, overall, the teaching staffs are less trained and are generally paid much less.
What data do you have that says "most of the private school teachers were teachers at public schools"?
I don't dislike private Christian schools. I just don't want them to receive taxpayer money, which they shouldn't.
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Re: Idaho sticks it to teachers’ union
Mar 9, 2021, 9:33 PM
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There is not one of you guys on this thread that could handle teaching a full public school schedule (real or virtual) for a month.
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Re: Idaho sticks it to teachers’ union
Mar 9, 2021, 9:37 PM
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Yea, it’s so hard. That’s why only the top two or three of the class, end up teaching for a living.
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Re: Idaho sticks it to teachers’ union
Mar 10, 2021, 11:26 AM
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Keowee
I am sorry that YOUR teachers failed you so miserably. It is obvious that they did not manage to instill a love for life-long learning in you. Perhaps that is why you would equate GPA with a contribution to our society.
Regardless of what your GPA was, you could not teach public school because you are not intellectually curious enough to motivate your students to be so. You are not inquisitive nor hardworking enough to prepare lesson plans that would be challenging and salient to your kids. And you certainly are not broad-minded enough to reach out to ALL of your students where they are.
They are millions of teachers out there, striving harder than ever to provide meaningful content to students, despite the fact that both of their worlds have been turned upside down. I don't think it is too much to ask for their safety to be considered (& vaccinations provided) before they are forced back into a dangerous set of conditions.
But you continue toshitt on teachers all you want. I wouldn't ever expect any better from you.
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Re: Idaho sticks it to teachers’ union
Mar 10, 2021, 12:04 PM
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Tobias,
You know absolutely nothing about me. And your comments, read aloud to those that do, caused much laughter. Thank you.
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Re: Idaho sticks it to teachers’ union
Mar 11, 2021, 8:01 AM
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No, I have to derive my conclusions from all of your small-minded posts here. I hope that i am wrong, but the evidence here suggests otherwise.
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Well, I would say we should do a bit of audit...
Mar 10, 2021, 10:20 AM
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Of the K-12 institutions that educated Manac, Keowee, and Tulsa. Maybe it is time for overhaul there.
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Re: Well, I would say we should do a bit of audit...
Mar 10, 2021, 10:43 AM
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yeah, that was the joke. 
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I know, bruh.
Mar 10, 2021, 10:53 AM
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Mine was too. Kind of.
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Awesome. Government schools are a terrible idea.***
Mar 9, 2021, 10:14 PM
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A similar program already exists in SC
Mar 10, 2021, 2:03 AM
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Why is this a gotcha moment for the teacher unions? Is it inferred this is the next step toward school vouchers?
The SC program has been a train wreck the past few years as the govt tried to run it (with a bunch of waste and stealing by the lobbyists). Works much better privately run for fundraising.
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It's not.
Mar 10, 2021, 10:21 AM
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Manac just believed a Tweet without doing research. The Tweeters didn't actually state what happened. It has nothing to do with special needs (not even mentioned in the bill), and it's basically just a school voucher program, which, like all before it, will fail.
Everyone in this thread jumping up and down really made themselves look stupid. Especially those out in Oklahoma who pretend to be smart.
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It doesn't appear you, the Tweeters, or anyone...
Mar 10, 2021, 10:18 AM
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In this thread understands what was passed.
It's basically a scholarship grant program and a bit of a voucher program, and it doesn't have anything to do with teacher's unions. It gives $500 to pay for books and other supplies to eligible families, and, in some cases, awards scholarships of about $6,000 to low income families.
That hardly "funds students". Either way, the motive here has nothing to do with the unions or "lazy teachers". Idaho is also creating new hiring incentives to fix the teacher shortage in their state and new legislation to rework union negotiations between districts.
Did you know in the actual bill itself, they don't mention "special education" anywhere? Huh.
It'll be a taxpayer drain on a proven failed program (school vouchers), but hey, you do you, Idaho. And don't you to pretend to be a conservative? Giving taxpayer money to private institutions, huh?
Trying to push voucher programs has been a right-wing trick all over the nation long before COVID. It usually results in disastrous consequences for students, particularly poor minority ones.
A lot of ignorant hate is getting spouted in this thread. You know many states, like SC, don't have teacher unions. Every teacher in SC is back to work unless he or she left the job, I believe.
I'm certain there are some lazy teachers out there, but most of them aren't. You and other clowns in this thread seem to paint them all with one brush.
But yeah, let's "ban them from going to grocery stores." Okay.
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Is the SCEA not technically a Union?
Mar 10, 2021, 11:32 AM
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They're closely affiliated with the NEA which is a Union.
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It can't be.
Mar 10, 2021, 1:35 PM
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Teacher unions aren't legal in SC. I believe they provide legal help to members under certain circumstances, but they don't have any real power with legislators or districts or strikes or anything like that.
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Again though, you are correct technically, but I'm not sure
Mar 11, 2021, 9:01 AM
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how much practically. I recall this event shutting down a bunch of school districts for a few days a couple years ago, and they had a hand in that. Don't really have a dog in this fight, I'm just saying that it doesn't much matter if it's illegal if you can't do anything about it. What are they going to do, fire all the teachers?
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Re: Idaho sticks it to teachers’ union
Mar 10, 2021, 10:18 AM
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I clicked on the twitter link...the guy's twitter handle just below that post is
James Lindsay, super-antiracist
LOL
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