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Dabo is still Dabo. Here’s what I expect we’ll see in the off-season.
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Dabo is still Dabo. Here’s what I expect we’ll see in the off-season.


Nov 29, 2022, 1:23 PM

It’s so easy to say, but so difficult for us to practice in real life.

— Don’t make big assessments or decisions when your emotions are in play.—

I believe Dabo Swinney has the same set of virtues and talents as the man who took reins from Tommy Bowden, so with that in mind, here’s what I expect we’ll see in the off-season.

1. Dabo will surround himself with new voices in the room on offensive side of the ball. I don’t know if that means a new coordinator or not. I believe at a minimum it means new analysts on staff to review and challenge not only the system and scheme, but also lack of execution.

2. We’ll likely see a dramatic change in the offensive system itself. In my view, it’s unlikely we see DJ next season. If he returns I believe Dabo will make it crystal clear that there will be a QB competition, and the comparative advantages for the QB’s we have will be tested within that new scheme.

3. We’ll see very tough spring and summer camps with more emphasis on the details, and more direct consequences for not executing on those details. I believe we’ll see specific owners within the offense and defense for these details, and those owners will be held accountable.


A new scheme? What would that look like?

In addition to the predictability, our offense does little to force the defense to work sideline to sideline. Combine that with the woeful production, and we don’t wear out anyone’s defense.

I believe we’ll return to the goal off running 75-85 offensive plays a game taking pressure off a defense that’s experienced too much of it over the last couple of years.

I expect we’ll see a faster, more accurate, and more mobile QB, particularly when he gets outside of the pocket. As such, we’ll see fewer off guard, off tackle QB run-options. I expect Shipley will be utilized out of the backfield on swing passes designed to hit him accurately and at full speed giving him the ball in space. Mafah continues to impress, and I expect he’ll assume more of a traditional power back role. Lastly, I think we’ll use Cade’s speed for more designed rollouts, and play action. We’ll also see a return to tempo, as Cade’s quickness is far more complementary to an up tempo scheme. With Cade’s and Ship’s combined speed stretching the field, defenses are going to run a lot when they play the Tigers.

In terms of the receiving corp, I expect we’ll build on the success we’ve had in reintroducing the TE’s into the offensive game plan. A quick tempo offense will be a good compliment for this.

For our WR’s the entire focus is execution; being in the right place at the right time, and making plays on the ball. Based on what we’ve witnessed this season, there are foundational coaching and player elements to this deficiency that must be addressed in the off-season without which a higher tempo offense simply doesn’t work.


Just one man’s thinking- Go Tigers!!! Beat the HOLES!!

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Nov 29, 2022, 1:28 PM

Hopefully you're a prophet.

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Nov 29, 2022, 1:50 PM


Hopefully you're a prophet.




^^^^^ THIS! ^^^^^

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Good stuff.***


Nov 29, 2022, 1:35 PM



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Nov 29, 2022, 1:38 PM

I do not see how Cade Klubnik can trust Dabo with a fair opportunity to play if DJ comes back.

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Nov 29, 2022, 11:20 PM

I don’t follow. What has Dabo done to cause Cade to distrust him?

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Dec 4, 2022, 11:45 AM

About last night…

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Nov 29, 2022, 1:38 PM

All of this is reasonable. I sure hope you're right.

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Nov 29, 2022, 1:39 PM

This is not necessarily what I think will happen or expect to happen ,but just some observations based on your comments;
1) Rehire Jeff Scott. (That should have already been done) and put him upstairs as the OC, but keep Brandon as co -OC on the field.
2) If you see DJ next year it is my opinion you will not see Cade Klubnick ,especially if you have a repeat of what happened Saturday against USC. Cade will not stay if he believes he is going in as the # 2 guy in 2023.
3)The only detail that concerns me is Dabo holding everyone accountable, and not standing behind this "my guy" mentality.
As to schemes, you will not, IMO, see a faster, more accurate more mobile quarterback with DJ, and if it is DJ go back and read my #2 comment.
As to the other parts of any new scheme, do away with the Rob Spence bubble screen and behind the line passes unless you stick with DJ because frankly I do not think he can be an effective high percentage completion quarterback on down the field throws.

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Nov 29, 2022, 1:59 PM

We do not need Jeff Scott as OC. He has no experience calling offense.

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Nov 29, 2022, 7:48 PM

I’d love it if Jeff Scott could look at what we’re doing on offense now versus during his tenure and ask him, what’s changed?

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Nov 30, 2022, 12:33 AM [ in reply to Re: Dabo is still Dabo. Here’s what I expect we’ll see in the off-season. ]

Agree but for some reason many can't see that. Clemson needs an outside ideology on offense new ideas.

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Nov 29, 2022, 2:42 PM [ in reply to Re: Dabo is still Dabo. Here’s what I expect we’ll see in the off-season. ]

This year the staff determined DJ was the best option to run this offense. If there’s any credence to my belief that the system changes to more tempo, Cade seems to have the comparative advantage to support it.

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Nov 29, 2022, 6:23 PM [ in reply to Re: Dabo is still Dabo. Here’s what I expect we’ll see in the off-season. ]

“And the Eagle Flies, with the Dove…..”

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Nov 29, 2022, 1:40 PM

This is certainly a wish list of the things we'd like to see. It's still fair to ask how we seemed to get away from so much of this.

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Lucky Johnson


I can guarantee we will not see a new system***


Nov 29, 2022, 1:43 PM



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I'd be shocked if we didn't visit with a school


Nov 29, 2022, 1:55 PM

whose offense is really clicking to see why there's is and ours isn't? Scheme, tempo, whatever. We used to do this alot. Then folks began coming to us. Time to go see Sonny Dykes, or whoever, and steal some things.

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I said this would happen last november.....it didn't


Nov 29, 2022, 2:00 PM

Don't expect it to now either.

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It's two years now, and, we'll finally have a mobile QB again


Nov 29, 2022, 2:02 PM

how are we running what say, TCU, runs, with DJ at QB?

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Nov 29, 2022, 2:09 PM

TCU is an air raid system. When chandler morris got hurt and Duggan had to take over they adjusted to a more run based approach because of Duggan's skill set. Something our coaching staff cannot do.

Another example of this Lane Kiffin at ole miss with Jaxon Dart.

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Nov 29, 2022, 2:10 PM [ in reply to I'd be shocked if we didn't visit with a school ]

I absolutely expect this and more. As you state, that’s part of how Dabo built the program in the first place, he knows how to do it, and I think he still possesses the same virtues and talents he arrived with.

One of the keys to success in anything is surrounding yourself with people who are better than you.

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Nov 29, 2022, 2:20 PM [ in reply to I'd be shocked if we didn't visit with a school ]

If we are going to "steal some things" from TCU, I might start with their OC Garrett Riley.

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Nov 29, 2022, 2:47 PM [ in reply to I'd be shocked if we didn't visit with a school ]

^^^THIS^^^

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Nov 29, 2022, 4:58 PM [ in reply to I'd be shocked if we didn't visit with a school ]

I will again point out what a fantastic job Willy Korn is doing down at Coastal Carolina. I know they got shellacked last weekend but over the course of the last few years . . .

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Answer:


Nov 30, 2022, 12:43 AM [ in reply to I'd be shocked if we didn't visit with a school ]

They have a good QB first of all. You won't find a good offense without a good QB.

Our scheme is fine. Unfortunately we're not able to run much of it.

Nobody is getting fired, so unless someone chooses to leave we can't add any coaches. There won't be any new schemes, we have to find someone to run it in its entirety.

I hope not gutting the program and starting a brand new scheme for the 2nd year in a row is what folks are really banking on? Not happening.

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Nov 30, 2022, 8:33 PM [ in reply to I'd be shocked if we didn't visit with a school ]

Great point Striperfan. In the past the Clemson coaching staff would travel to other universities to get ideas/schemes to implement into program. I remember them specifically going to Austin Texas to see what Mack was doing at the time. TCU would be great start this offseason??

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Nov 30, 2022, 9:43 PM

Orange007 said:

Great point Striperfan. In the past the Clemson coaching staff would travel to other universities to get ideas/schemes to implement into program. I remember them specifically going to Austin Texas to see what Mack was doing at the time. TCU would be great start this offseason??


I thought once we started going to the CFP annually the other schools were not so interested to host Clemson coaches. Why give an elite program any secrets to help them remain elite?

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Nov 30, 2022, 8:46 PM [ in reply to I'd be shocked if we didn't visit with a school ]

Agreed. Go see Willie Korn at Coastal C. They light it up like nobody's business down there and have for a few years.

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Nov 29, 2022, 1:57 PM

If last night was any indication, he plans to make no changes whatsoever.

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Correct, and why should we?


Nov 30, 2022, 12:48 AM

We still have an ACC Championship and an Orange Bowl to play for, and those are pretty big deals in real life.

If youre talking about Streeter, Grisham, and Scott, all 3 will be back. Guaranteed.

Dabo is not going to fire anyone, and there's no reason he should. Fix the elephant in the room and every facet of the program picks up as well.

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* Goodwin, not Scott***


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If DJ transfers at end of season...


Nov 29, 2022, 2:08 PM

Does he do it at conclusion of 2022 season, spring ball, or fall ball/early 2023 season?

While I think QB play is the 3rd most important reason for our current offensive product (behind WR play and offensive scheme/play calling, respectively), I simply cannot believe that Cade would've lost us that game Saturday IF he had been given more opportunity during the season to prepare for the QB role. Regardless of the amount of experience gained from this season from a few series here and there, I believe Cade will be the better QB option by fall ball at the latest next season.

For those DJU homers, I agree that DJ is not the reason for our lack of offensive success. But I also have seen enough of him to know that he is not the answer even with the rest of the offense rolling. 25 games between 2021-22 is enough to see it.

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Nov 29, 2022, 2:17 PM

The #1 thing is everything in the offense. I've never seen an offense run and move so slow...pre-snap and post-snap, everything looks slow motion. There's no doubt there needs to be a new spark at the QB position, someone that the rest of the players can trust and make them put in more effort to do their job harder. I've heard from several football players that its hard to give full effort when you know you don't have the guy to get the job done with you. Regardless of what happens in the off-season, it just better not be the DJ/Streeter combo for 2023.

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I like your thoughts....

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Nov 29, 2022, 5:16 PM

except for this:

I believe at a minimum it means new analysts on staff to review and challenge not only the system and scheme, but also lack of execution.

It will be too late for next season if we hire analysts to evaluate the results during next year's schedule. The change needs to happen before Spring practice..... and preferably by year's end so any needed changes can be implemented before Spring practice.

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Nov 29, 2022, 6:02 PM

Agree 100%.

When I say “review and challenge” there’s plenty of ugly tape available from which to do that now.

Good manufacturing companies use a process called 1. PLAN, 2. DO, 3. CHECK, 4. ADJUST. Refined processes usually just operate with the last 3. In my view out offensive needs to restart this process from step-1.

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If you're talking about passing and catching


Nov 30, 2022, 12:56 AM

We do occasionally see some drops, but 95% of that passing offense concern is poor recognition and accuracy. You have to see all the WRs first, then get the ball to the best choice and give him a chance.

Thats whats ailing our offense.

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Nov 30, 2022, 12:53 PM

Ability to review options, make quick reads and decisiveness throws at the position will also cut down on the number of contested balls.

That’s why so many passes look like they are thrown into tight coverage when in fact defenders are making up ground.

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Nov 29, 2022, 5:17 PM

I like your assessment. Question though, do we get a wide receiver in the transfer portal. I think one experienced player would help us a lot at that position. Next year we’ll be awfully young there. If Dabo ever goes to the portal this would be the time to do it.

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Nov 29, 2022, 5:37 PM

I think he has to consider all options to improve the production of the WR group including portal.

I don’t think Dabo is as opposed to the portal as many think. The numbers don’t lie of course, but I think the reasons for it are based more on principles. It’s well known that the portal is flooded, and most participants aren’t going to find a seat. That’s a lesson many of them are learning the hard way.

In my view when Dabo refers to “tampering”, he’s specifically referring to teams that inappropriately contact players wooing them to their school. In this format the portal is merely the mechanism for this to happen, but the deal has been made. I believe that dynamic applies to the top 5%era of the portal MOST of the time. It’s inappropriate, unethical, and Dabo’s not going to do it. He’s also not going to make promises to a player about playing time. That has to be earned.

In my view Dabo’s principles are correct, yet that all combines to make the window for snatching an impact player from the portal smaller for Clemson. Dabo is confronting this by being very vocal, but he’s not going to compromise principles because other programs are doing it.

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Nov 29, 2022, 11:45 PM

Can you promise this? I'll go out on a limb and say 90% of us here would love this!!!!

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The only promise we need is


Nov 30, 2022, 12:50 AM

that the QB position will become fully functional.

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Dec 4, 2022, 11:32 AM [ in reply to Re: Dabo is still Dabo. Here’s what I expect we’ll see in the off-season. ]

So far? Absolutely!

We’re even ahead of schedule! Kidding aside, wished it had happened sooner, but I can’t wait to see what’s yet to come.

(Hint: it’s better than better)

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Nov 30, 2022, 3:16 PM

I think you are very optimistic. Dani should have at least interviewed a couple of candidates for his opened positions after the other guys left. He has become complacent and lazy. My company has things that make you at least interview so you don’t do the lazy thing and just assume you have the best option right here and now. Dabo has lost his edge and is no longer hungry. I think Cade made him mad and Dabo’s ego is getting in the way

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Nov 30, 2022, 8:02 PM

You are pathetic.

Calling our best football coach in history and one of the best people around "lazy", "complacent", "egotistical", "lost his edge" and "no longer hungry". If you disagree with strategy or football decisions, fine. But hit the door and take your personal character assassination crap with you. I hope you're really a coot troll, because you certainly not a Clemson fan in any sense of the word.

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Nov 30, 2022, 3:17 PM

I think you are very optimistic. Dabo should have at least interviewed a couple of candidates for his opened positions after the other guys left. He has become complacent and lazy. My company has things that make you at least interview so you don’t do the lazy thing and just assume you have the best option right here and now. Dabo has lost his edge and is no longer hungry. I think Cade made him mad and Dabo’s ego is getting in the way

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Nov 30, 2022, 3:20 PM

Cade won’t be after the season, he has to leave after the lack of respect Dabo has shown him. I can’t blame the guy, he has to play to make it to the pros and Dabo won’t give him a fair shot

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Jan 18, 2023, 4:41 PM

Your take aged like a fine wine with a dry rotted cork. We should do a “where are they now?” series on you.

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Nov 30, 2022, 3:29 PM

Excellent. I think we will see some kind of shake-up on the offensive side of the ball with possibly some shifting of responsibilities. I would think there would be some tweaking on the defensive side, as I too think they have underperformed. I just don't see doing everything the same and expect drastically different results.

Of course the big question is DJ & Cade. I love DJ and his commitment to the football team and university, but I wish he would opt for turning pro. But at this point I am not sure anyone would take him except as a lower draft choice based on his measurables. The only way he will improve his draft stock is to play next year ..... and honestly, I don't want to see that. I had rather go through the growing pains with Cade.

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Nov 30, 2022, 9:27 PM

ddraines® said:

It’s so easy to say, but so difficult for us to practice in real life.

— Don’t make big assessments or decisions when your emotions are in play.—

I believe Dabo Swinney has the same set of virtues and talents as the man who took reins from Tommy Bowden, so with that in mind, here’s what I expect we’ll see in the off-season.

1. Dabo will surround himself with new voices in the room on offensive side of the ball. I don’t know if that means a new coordinator or not. I believe at a minimum it means new analysts on staff to review and challenge not only the system and scheme, but also lack of execution.

2. We’ll likely see a dramatic change in the offensive system itself. In my view, it’s unlikely we see DJ next season. If he returns I believe Dabo will make it crystal clear that there will be a QB competition, and the comparative advantages for the QB’s we have will be tested within that new scheme.

3. We’ll see very tough spring and summer camps with more emphasis on the details, and more direct consequences for not executing on those details. I believe we’ll see specific owners within the offense and defense for these details, and those owners will be held accountable.


A new scheme? What would that look like?

In addition to the predictability, our offense does little to force the defense to work sideline to sideline. Combine that with the woeful production, and we don’t wear out anyone’s defense.

I believe we’ll return to the goal off running 75-85 offensive plays a game taking pressure off a defense that’s experienced too much of it over the last couple of years.

I expect we’ll see a faster, more accurate, and more mobile QB, particularly when he gets outside of the pocket. As such, we’ll see fewer off guard, off tackle QB run-options. I expect Shipley will be utilized out of the backfield on swing passes designed to hit him accurately and at full speed giving him the ball in space. Mafah continues to impress, and I expect he’ll assume more of a traditional power back role. Lastly, I think we’ll use Cade’s speed for more designed rollouts, and play action. We’ll also see a return to tempo, as Cade’s quickness is far more complementary to an up tempo scheme. With Cade’s and Ship’s combined speed stretching the field, defenses are going to run a lot when they play the Tigers.

In terms of the receiving corp, I expect we’ll build on the success we’ve had in reintroducing the TE’s into the offensive game plan. A quick tempo offense will be a good compliment for this.

For our WR’s the entire focus is execution; being in the right place at the right time, and making plays on the ball. Based on what we’ve witnessed this season, there are foundational coaching and player elements to this deficiency that must be addressed in the off-season without which a higher tempo offense simply doesn’t work.


Just one man’s thinking- Go Tigers!!! Beat the HOLES!!


First, I hope you're right.

Second, I wish Dabo would say these things.

Third, until he does, I'm not holding my breath in anticipation of an uptick in performance.

When he said he "wasn't going to compromise on doing the right thing", was he referring to his personnel decisions? I can't imagine so--that would a horrible statement--but that was the context that I read, so please correct my understanding, someone?

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But why wasn’t that the case this season?


Nov 30, 2022, 9:31 PM

He saw how we struggled offensively last year but still made no changes.

What’s it gonna take? Another losing streak to your in-state rival that you know you are way better than but can’t stop making bonehead mistakes or not making changes?

It seems with Dabo it takes something dramatic for him to finally make a change.

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Jan 14, 2023, 1:48 PM

Maybe I had a nugget or two rightish?

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Good stuff ddraines!

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Jan 14, 2023, 1:58 PM

You're one of the more solid posters on TNet in my opinion.

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Thanks PBT.

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Jan 14, 2023, 2:33 PM

When it comes to fruition, I’d like to know what you decide on the name of the Beach Bar.

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Funny you mention that. We got stuck with some building...

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Jan 14, 2023, 2:45 PM

permitting stuff, but today we met the mayor of the pueblo. He gave us his cell and said he would meet with us! Great sign!

Anyway, Tiger Beach seems to be winning but I am not sure to be honest!

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Jan 14, 2023, 4:24 PM

Good luck. Hope it happens!

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Jan 19, 2023, 10:19 AM [ in reply to Re: Dabo is still Dabo. Here’s what I expect we’ll see in the off-season. ]

I’d say you were right once or twice for sure

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Jan 14, 2023, 1:49 PM

Maybe I had a nugget or two rightish?

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Crystal ball stuff for sure. Good job.***

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Re: Dabo is still Dabo. Here’s what I expect we’ll see in the off-season.


Jan 19, 2023, 8:49 AM [ in reply to Re: Dabo is still Dabo. Here’s what I expect we’ll see in the off-season. ]

Do you think Riley will want his own position coaches (wr) or do you think he won’t have that freedom?

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Re: Dabo is still Dabo. Here’s what I expect we’ll see in the off-season.


Jan 19, 2023, 9:03 AM

TigerFreak said:

Do you think Riley will want his own position coaches (wr) or do you think he won’t have that freedom?


He’s out recruiting with Swinney and Grisham. For now it looks like it will be status quo until he can successfully argue to Swinney why he needs a change to someone new.

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Re: Dabo is still Dabo. Here’s what I expect we’ll see in the off-season.


Jan 19, 2023, 2:41 PM [ in reply to Re: Dabo is still Dabo. Here’s what I expect we’ll see in the off-season. ]

I’ve been curious about that as well.

I’d guess that Riley has the humility to assess his current offensive staff and has the decision rights to retain them or not based on their willingness and capability.

I personally expected departures by now if Coach Riley viewed staffing changes as vital to what he’s trying to achieve. I expect retention will be based on their ability and willingness to embrace change.

Purely speculative, but usually change ambassadors don’t arrive alone, but with an army. I’m hopeful the reason we haven’t seen it is because the staff hungers for it as much as out players do.

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Jan 19, 2023, 2:53 PM

I didn't think coordinators brought staff with them. Coach V didn't or any other coordinator hire didn't. Those decisions would be purely Dabo's. Dabo may ask for input from him if he was considering more changes.

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Re: Dabo is still Dabo. Here’s what I expect we’ll see in the off-season.


Jan 19, 2023, 6:29 PM

You’re right about this.

This change is so far beyond rearranging the deck chairs, I expected more changes outside of Riley himself to help usher it in.

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Jan 19, 2023, 2:53 PM [ in reply to Re: Dabo is still Dabo. Here’s what I expect we’ll see in the off-season. ]

I didn't think coordinators brought staff with them. Coach V didn't or any other coordinator hire didn't. Those decisions would be purely Dabo's. Dabo may ask for input from him if he was considering more changes.

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