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Addressing the O-line problem
Oct 16, 2016, 11:39 PM
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I know coaches and writers have hinted at our O-line issues, but it is more than a slight problem. Our o-line looks horrible, and I really want someone to write an article or provide an explanation as to what is wrong. I am not an expert but I know there is a problem (and it's much more than just one guy). Does anyone have good observations as to our issues in run blocking?
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Re: Addressing the O-line problem
Oct 16, 2016, 11:40 PM
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Yeah they are trash. Watson never has any time to throw the ball and we can't gain a yard on the ground ever. Yes they run block poorly at times but they give Watson all day to throw.
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Re: Addressing the O-line problem
Oct 16, 2016, 11:46 PM
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From the pre-season hype, our OLine was supposed to be one of the top OLines in the country. I see very few holes for our RB's, which speaks volumes for Gallman's success. We've needed to fix the OLine since game 1, and it is still in need of repair. I'm like the OP. I know it's broken, but have no idea how to fix it.
Maybe throw in a few jet sweeps just to keep the D honest.
Maybe run more option plays to get to the edge - 'cause the middle is "Stonewalled".
More passes to Leggett over the middle.
And run that dadgum "Meat Package" when it's a short-yardage situation.
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Re: Addressing the O-line problem
Oct 17, 2016, 12:14 AM
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Our OLine is not horrible and it's so easy to blame them! it's actually funny especially coming from people who are clueless about position
Let's look at some positives!!
We have only given up a handful of TOTAL sacks Year to date like 5 or 6 which is excellent considered we have thrown the ball over 50 times 3 or 4 games and ranks in top of Nation
3 Young Sophmore Starters, 1 Junior & Only 1 Senior which will only get better. The Oline is one position that simply takes time compared to all others
Watson Record 39 completions in the Valley against NC State had something to do with our Tackles keeping the 2 NFL ends off him?
Go watch the games, our running game is based in what is called a read option and the days of what used to be called PUSH are over
You hope for stalemate and maintain
You never see DLneman getting blocked 4 to 5 years down field from any team
There are definitely holes to be hit!!!!
Love the Big Uglies
We have not lost a regular season game since 2014, let's get positive
GO TIGERS
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Re: Addressing the O-line problem
Oct 17, 2016, 5:18 AM
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We have only given up a handful of TOTAL sacks Year to date like 5 or 6 which is excellent considered we have thrown the ball over 50 times 3 or 4 games and ranks in top of Nation
True, but that doesn't establish the run. For several years, we have been much better in pass protection than run blocking. Last year saw run blocking improvement - this year, we've fallen behind.
3 Young Sophmore Starters, 1 Junior & Only 1 Senior which will only get better. The Oline is one position that simply takes time compared to all others
Also true, but it doesn't fix today's run-blocking.
Watson Record 39 completions in the Valley against NC State had something to do with our Tackles keeping the 2 NFL ends off him?
Yes, but you're talking pass protection again - not run-blocking.
our running game is based in what is called a read option and the days of what used to be called PUSH are over
You hope for stalemate and maintain
"Stalemate and maintain" is the exact problem. While push is good (particularly on short yardage - and most particularly on the goal line), what we're not getting is leverage. Without it, you don't move the defender to the side to open up space. That is technique, footwork and learned skill.
There are definitely holes to be hit!!!!
More often than not, there is no hole for Gallman. And when there is a hole, then more often than not, the box is loaded and a LB is in the gap. Teams (including ours) are getting better at defending the zone read. If teams are going to load the box, it may be time to put a FB in the offense..... and make what's old, new again.
Mainly, our O-line needs to get nasty. I thought NC State played a lot tougher than we did and it almost worked.
The other thing we need to do is to admit we have a problem instead of saying "We wanted a W, we got it, so all is good". That is tip-toeing past the graveyard. I believe in being positive, but last week's post-game press conferences suggested to me that we're in denial, are defensive - and trying to put a happy face on something that's about to bite us in the butt - and Watson was leading the effort on the PR campaign. Likely, he was coached on what to say.
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Re: Addressing the O-line problem
Oct 17, 2016, 6:24 AM
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Not every win is a work of art...and luck will always be a part of the game. The backs have their place in the running game, too...and there have been plenty of times DW made the wrong read, or the back missed the hole/cut. Sometimes, the obvious leads one astray.
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Teams are loading up the box and run blitzing us like
Oct 16, 2016, 11:57 PM
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Crazy, because they know if we have success running they're done. This is why the middle of the field is so wide open all the time. The OL has done an excellent job pass blocking all season. We need to start throwing more on 1st down in the 1st quarter and that will open up more running lanes.
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We need to pass to open up the run.***
Oct 17, 2016, 8:07 AM
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I wonder if our blocking schemes are getting too
Oct 17, 2016, 1:26 AM
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readable. State's LBs seemed to be all over the place and in our face most of the day. That tells me that we are too predictable. Coaches have an off week and it's a good time for a self-assessment, so I hope we get it corrected if that's the problem. I understand the philosophy of "we do what we do" and that the only team that can beat Clemson is Clemson, but State seemed to have a blueprint of how to stop our running game. I don't think it's about completely scrapping our current scheme, but I think it's time to evolve and develop a wrinkle or two.
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Re: I wonder if our blocking schemes are getting too
Oct 17, 2016, 5:27 AM
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Wow, the lack of football knowledge in this one thread is sad. Are we 7-0 or 0-7. Did the OL cause the 3 fumbles? Uh, no. With a 31-10 score, would people keep looking for a reason for the close game? No. Did the OL fumble the ball inside the 5 twice? No. Did the OL cause DW to throw the INT? No. Did the OL give DW time to complete 39 passes? Yes. Get off the offensive line, they aren't the ones causing the offense to look bad at times, 9 turnovers in the last two home games are.
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It's a 2-headed problem......
Oct 17, 2016, 5:56 AM
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One is (as you say) turnovers. The other is difficulty in the run game.
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Re: Addressing the O-line problem
Oct 17, 2016, 6:33 AM
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We always want our run-blocking to be better but the truth is we have faced some darn good run defenses. Here are the statistical rankings of our FBS opponents run defenses:
Auburn: 52
Troy: 8
GA Tech: 40
Louisville: 32
Boston College: 10
NC State: 5
By way of comparison, Clemson is ranked #31 in rush defense. We have played and beaten 3 of the top 10 teams in rush defense (Troy, BC, and NC State), another team about as good as Clemson in rush defense (Louisville), and two teams (GA Tech and Auburn) that are not as good in rush defense.
Our O-line is not as big of a problem as some would believe. Sure - we have some breakdowns on plays but we are hitting more than we are missing. The truth is we have been playing teams that are very good at defending against the run and were focused/capable of stopping the run to make us one dimensional. If DW4's accuracy were better, and our receivers had not dropped so many balls (particularly in the early season games) our rushing stats would be a lot better. In order to really open up our run game, DW4 has got to start hitting his deep ball - that will cause defenses to back their linebackers and safeties out of the box and will open up some running lanes.
Blocking can always be better - but until our opponents see that our deep ball is going to torch them, they are going to continue selling out the pass in order to stop our running game.
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+1 for spot on assessment! I've said the same thing this
Oct 17, 2016, 7:39 AM
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year several times. When DW hit a couple of those deep balls vs Louisville, look how our running game opened up after that! He missed most of them vs NCS and has missed a lot of them all year. If we get more consistent on that, the whole offense will open up!
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Re: Addressing the O-line problem
Oct 17, 2016, 8:12 AM
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so, 30 first downs and 500 yards against a good d just does not blow your skirt up huh. fact is if we hold on to the ball we score at least 45 and the game is a rout. smfh. gallman being out also probably had some effect. now if you want to ##### about turnovers, count me in.
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Re: Addressing the O-line problem
Oct 17, 2016, 8:33 AM
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I didn't like the body language I saw from our OL in the second half. I don't know if it was because they were getting their arses handed to them and couldn't do anything about it or if they felt a little worried with Gallman out. They just didn't look energetic and anxious to line up and hit.
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Remember when that anonymous coach said our OL
Oct 17, 2016, 8:49 AM
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was still pretty average and didn't really blow anyone off the ball and then everyone on Tigernet got super pissy? Well whoever said that wasn't too far off.
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