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Is a 2 QB system looking more and more likely?
Apr 14, 2014, 10:19 AM
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Cole seems to be the much better passer, but obviously his mobility outside the pocket is in question. While Swag's passing ability leaves much to be desired. Obviously DW could excel at both but we definitely don't want to rush the kid into things. I'm personally not a fan of the 2 QB system. I think it becomes too predictable and hurts a Qb's rhythm through a drive (especially the pocket passing QB)
I hope we stay away from the 2 QB system and either the RBs step up so that Cole doesn't need to run or Swag steps up his passing game.
*Obviously basing this off of very few plays last season and the Spring Game, could have the situation completely wrong.
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Re: Is a 2 QB system looking more and more likely?
Apr 14, 2014, 10:45 AM
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I think you're underselling kelly's passing...
Apr 14, 2014, 10:49 AM
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Both picks were off him rushing and not setting his feet... Something Boyd did A LOT, but that didn't make him a bad passer... just a patience thing that needed to be worked out.
Notice when he stayed in the pocket, had protection , and set his feet, he hit that LONG bomb and hit D-rod right on the money. Not a passing issue, its a poise, which I agree Stoudt has the advantage in right now.
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Re: I think you're underselling kelly's passing...
Apr 14, 2014, 10:55 AM
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and what is the point.Tajh continued to throw interceptions right to the last minutes of the last game he ever played as a Tiger.I understand what you're saying but fail to find the point you're making.
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That he has passing ability
Apr 14, 2014, 10:57 AM
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But he is still young and can work the kinks out of the mechanics.
smarta$$.
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Re: That he has passing ability
Apr 14, 2014, 11:01 AM
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It wasn't meant as a smarta** comment.
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Re: I think you're underselling kelly's passing...
Apr 14, 2014, 11:19 AM
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If I remember correctly, the picks were less about him setting his feet and more about throwing into tight coverage...including a pick at the goalline, which is a big no-no. The second pick was into very tight double coverage. Didn't matter where heis feet were, what mattered was where his head was.
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Nah I disagree... humphries did have to on him, but had both
Apr 14, 2014, 11:40 AM
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of them beat if Kelly would have placed the ball in the back corner. Tough through, but he didn't set his feet and threw it short.
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Re: Nah I disagree... humphries did have to on him, but had both
Apr 14, 2014, 11:48 AM
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Yea, the back-corner is the spot to go. But if you do that, you need to put it in a spot where it's either going to go out of the back of the end zone, or hit the back pylon. Go check the highlights again, Kelly wasn't even intending to go back corner on that pass...he threw a dart into double coverage. Even if he put it on the spot, it would have been tough to complete because there was a safety up top...and the only reason Humphries appeared to have a step was because the DB left coverage to crash down on a bad throw.
In my opinion, the mistakes were much more mental than physical.
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Yea I guess that makes sense... But that was the point
Apr 14, 2014, 11:51 AM
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of my OP.
That he has the "passing ability"... it was more a situational mistake (be it setting feet or reading coverage poorly)... the fact of the matter is he forced that play instead of throwing it out or taking the sack.
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Re: Yea I guess that makes sense... But that was the point
Apr 14, 2014, 1:34 PM
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Agreed. I think the physical ability is there.
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He can't throw into double coverage when the OL struggles
Apr 14, 2014, 12:18 PM
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And it will struggle some this year, as it does every year. It happens. The defense will have its off days as well.
We can't have him throwing back to back picks into double coverage against UGA/FSU/Carolina.
See Stoudt for an example of how this should work. If it wasn't there, he threw it away and didn't take a loss or a pick.
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Re: He can't throw into double coverage when the OL struggles
Apr 14, 2014, 12:31 PM
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Part of the difference is that he is less likely to pull the ball down and run because of the touch rule.
His throw to Humphries would have been a back shoulder throw into single coverage. Shaq Anthony got picked up by Martin Aiken and placed right where Chad was about to place his lead foot. With no room to weight transfer, he threw all arm, the ball badly "ducked" and fell short enough that the safety was able to get into the picture. I watched that play quite a few times and I think it was a good read but poor OL play and then as a result poor mechanics made it look like a bad one.
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Doesn't matter, bad decision was made***
Apr 14, 2014, 4:01 PM
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Re: He can't throw into double coverage when the OL struggles
Apr 14, 2014, 4:00 PM
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EXACTLY what i pointed out in an earlier thread...
will we ever learn that we can't continue giving a QB that IS throwing interceptions, the chance to KEEP throwing INTs. Kelly should've learned that from watching on the sidlines last season honestly. we can't have a QB that can't think & react correctly & quick enough against UGAy, FUState, & USuCk...that much should be clear for everyone, including players.
i can't believe Howard dropped 2 fumbles either!!! that seems to have been his Achilles in the past & hope it's corrected, but it COULD also speak volumes for our defense!
Stoudt looked it & played the role we need very well! i'm still anxious to see Watson perform, but i know it's probably best for him to redshirt...
it's going to be a long summer...
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Re: Is a 2 QB system looking more and more likely?
Apr 14, 2014, 10:53 AM
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If it's not Watson, it's Stoudt in my opinion.
I hope it's not unchangeable, but a lot of my fears about Kelly were recognized during the Orange/White Game. He's definitely got the legs, not necessarily a huge arm...but the thing I always wondered about--since the first time I saw him dropping rap songs prior to even arriving on campus--was how he'd handle mental adversity. On Saturday he failed his first public test.
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Too difficult to tell without being able to see the QBs
Apr 14, 2014, 10:55 AM
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run the ball. A mobile QB is necessary for this offense to be run at 100%. It all depends on how large the disparity is between Stoudt and Kelly as a ball-carrier.
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TL:DR
Apr 14, 2014, 11:06 AM
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If you people aren't seeing the writing on the wall that we have two QBs, albeit whitey QBs, that will have Clemson set the all-time NCAA team rushing season records then I don't know what to tell you.
Also, since Clemson'll be running the ball non-stop then defensive records will be set as well since the clock will never stop running as 5-10 yard chunks of turf will be gobbled up on a drively basis.
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^^^RA'd for rassist comment***
Apr 14, 2014, 11:08 AM
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Re: TL:DR
Apr 14, 2014, 11:51 AM
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Did Louie misspell Whitney?
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I sure hope not
Apr 14, 2014, 11:59 AM
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We don't need flashy this year, we need reliable, stable, and consistent. The defense is going to lead the charge and give us lots of attempts offensively.
While the Spring game was only one glimpse of the state of things, I really didn't like what I saw from Kelly on a few levels:
* He's got wheels, but he's also impatient and impulsive. Those throws into double coverage were bad, any way you cut it.
* I don't buy into this "he's competitive" excuse for his attitude. If he gets pissy like that during a game, it could create a real mess for us. It's also not the kind of attitude that I want representing Clemson.
He's a young kid, but if he can't handle adversity and can't respect his coaches, I don't want anything to do with him. Sh*t happens, you've got to deal with it like a man.
He looked a lot like Kyle Parker on the sidelines, sitting around by himself. Tajh had this team on his back from day one. I get the sense that Cole is a lot more respected by his mates than Kelly. This is something that can't be overlooked.
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Re: ^^^^^ Mmm-Hmm! on the money
Apr 14, 2014, 4:06 PM
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couldn't have spelled it better myself 
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Re: Is a 2 QB system looking more and more likely?
Apr 14, 2014, 1:09 PM
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I don't know that Kelly's passing is poor. I think it's more of a mental thing. That kid has an absolute cannon, but when the chips started getting down, that's when he went into crisis lockdown mode. He has to grow up a little and move on from losing his temper so easily. This is supposedly the second time this spring hes lost it. Then there was the Citadel game, and when he first arrived on campus. I dont think a 2 QB system is the answer. I want to win games and I want the best QB that gives us that opportunity. At this juncture I think Stoudt is the guy to do it.
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Re: Is a 2 QB system looking more and more likely?
Apr 14, 2014, 3:26 PM
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Kelly does have a fairly strong arm but his mechanics fall apart in live situations, which kills arm strength. He gets very anxious and looks to run much too soon. Which is the problem with most QBs who like to run. His second interception he ducked his head and just heaved it. Look at the replay.
Stoudt always has had great mechanics. Stands tall and stays put finding second and third receivers. And he runs well enough to move the chains. In this offense give me the guy who can throw and run occasionally to move the chains. And he will be effective like he was in the Ga tech game cuz defenses will be thinking pass. With Kelly they are going to look for him to run first.
You take what the defense gives you. Cole's been doing that for three years. Even running now and then. The only games they had him run a few times were Ga Tech and FSU. In those games he had over 50 yds on 7 carries. That's 7+ per attempt. That would be a 600 yd season. That's more than enough with the WRs, RBs, and TEs we have. Get the ball in their hands!
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Re: Is a 2 QB system looking more and more likely?
Apr 14, 2014, 4:02 PM
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correction to last post. Meant to say Ga. Tech and Virginia Cole did some nice running.
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i think Cool Cole will rep us well...he's done the dirt too
Apr 14, 2014, 4:11 PM
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he has the right attitude & respect of the QB position & opportunity that it is to be the man. he showed it Saturday, imo.
NO TURNOVERS! can't ask for better than that...but he did much more.
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