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One easy observation from the game yesterday. We used a
Nov 20, 2022, 12:03 PM
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lot of pre-snap motion and shifting in the first half, and the offense just took off. So, why did we so obviously stop doing it in the second half? Only explanations are, either we are stupid, or, we didn't want to give the Coots or North Carolina any more looks than we had to. I prefer the latter explanation, because this coaching staff is making way too much money for the first explanation to be true.
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Re: One easy observation from the game yesterday. We used a
Nov 20, 2022, 12:06 PM
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When we get a comfortable lead we go conservative. We look a lot better when we are attacking.
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And then we seem bent on proving that this comfortable lead
Nov 20, 2022, 12:09 PM
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wasn't really all that comfortable after all!
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Re: And then we seem bent on proving that this comfortable lead
Nov 20, 2022, 1:53 PM
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I think 24-0 at the half made them feel more comfortable than they should have...
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We get a good lead, and tend to curl into the fetal position
Nov 20, 2022, 12:27 PM
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We didn't do that AS bad yesterday, but turnovers and dropped passes absolutely killed us in the second half.
As ugly and infuriating as that 3rd quarter was, don't lose sight of the FACT that we still totally dominated Miami in every aspect of the game. It was an all-out asskicking on our part.
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Re: One easy observation from the game yesterday. We used a
Nov 20, 2022, 12:10 PM
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The Tiger coaching staff does a LOT of film study as they prepare for the next opponents I suspect that they decided to not use their total package in this game with couple of MUST WINS coming up in the next two weeks.
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I'm sorry fellas, but we didn't have a purpose of "saving film" at 11 games into the season.
Nov 20, 2022, 1:16 PM
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After 11 games, everyone had exposed everything they can do. We self-scout and throw in tendency busters, but we're calling the game based on hiding anything for the next game.
We'll target certain plays where we think we have an advantage and we'll even throw a wrinkle or two, but we weren't making a concerted effort to hide anything for the next game.
We've run 803 plays up to this point in the season. Its not say we've used the entire playbook on film, but we've run most if not all of what we're comfortable and capable of running. We may throw in a couple unused plays or tendency busters, but overall we'll target our strengths just like we did last year.
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Re: One easy observation from the game yesterday. We used a
Nov 20, 2022, 12:12 PM
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I hope it's the latter too but it's mind boggling why we didn't play cade on the 2nd series of the 3rd quarter.
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I think that is the main thing that frustrates fans with
Nov 20, 2022, 12:23 PM
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Dabo about Cade Klubnick's playing time. Dabo had established a pattern with DW4 and later with Trevor, of getting the backup into the game early on, say on the third offensive series, to garner meaningful in game reps. This was done regardless of the game score at the time. Butt, for whatever reason, he just refused to do the same thing with Cade Klubnick.
Dabo really does treat DJ completely different than any other QB we have ever had. I don't know if it is a personality thing where he thinks DJ would just fall apart at the first sign of no confidence or what, but it is glaringly different.
As good a talent as Trevor Lawrence was, with what we perceived DJ to be waiting in the wings, TL had to move on when he did, for us to keep DJ. We are in the exact same situation now. For us to keep Cade Klubnick going forward, DJ has to move on after this season. I wish him all the best, but I pray that does in fact happen, for the future of our football program.
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Re: I think that is the main thing that frustrates fans with
Nov 20, 2022, 1:01 PM
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It's like banging your head against the wall with some of you people.
Have you ever considered that Klubnik is simply not as good as Trevor Lawrence or Deshaun Watson? The "pattern" you described applied to literally two people: Lawrence and Watson. That pattern didn't play to Taj Boyd behind Kyle Parker. It didn't apply to Cole Stoudt or whoever else behind Boyd. It didn't apply Kelly Bryant behind Watson. It only applied to the two individuals who were generational talents and first round draft picks. If Klubnik was that good, he would've playing. Obviously the coaches don't think he is.
Trevor Lawrence did not move on because he "had to." Lawrence was a #1 pick from the time he first stepped on campus. He left because he was eligible for the draft, where he weed going to make millions. It literally had nothing to do with Uiagalelei.
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Re: I think that is the main thing that frustrates fans with
Nov 20, 2022, 1:05 PM
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Doesn’t ####### matter if he isn’t better. He hasn’t been given a ####### chance. For ##### sake
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Re: I think that is the main thing that frustrates fans with
Nov 20, 2022, 1:09 PM
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Yeah, it kinda does matter.
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Re: I think that is the main thing that frustrates fans with
Nov 20, 2022, 1:10 PM
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How would you know considering the lack of body of work. #######
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Re: I think that is the main thing that frustrates fans with
Nov 20, 2022, 1:12 PM
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It's not what I know that matters. The coaches don't think he is ready. That's what matters.
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Re: I think that is the main thing that frustrates fans with
Nov 20, 2022, 1:36 PM
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He may not be ready or ever ready or ever good. But if we are being honest, DJ has never been ready. If by ready you mean worth a flip. So who is ever ready?
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Yeah, 9-1 and (soon) 8th in the country.
Nov 20, 2022, 1:43 PM
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These are things you coots can only dream about. You wish your QB has played as well as DJ, and we both know, except for that bizarre anomaly last night, it's not even close.
Enjoy your 8th loss in a row and 2nd in a row for DJ. Coot.
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Cade has played in ~ half the games.
Nov 20, 2022, 1:37 PM
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He's 11 of 22 (50%) for 98 yards, a TD and an INT. His rating is 93.3.
DJ is 218 of 334 (65%) for 2,406 yards, 21 TDs and 6 INTs. His rating is 142.9.
For his true freshman season, we most definitely seen Cade's "body of work", and no, he should not be playing ahead of DJ.
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Re: I think that is the main thing that frustrates fans with
Nov 20, 2022, 1:36 PM
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I think it might be the opposite of what you’re saying. It’s not because Klubinik isn’t good enough. It’s because DJ isn’t yet. Our coaches want DJ to get as many reps as he can. TL16 and DW4 didn’t need the extra reps. DJ does.
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Re: I think that is the main thing that frustrates fans with
Nov 20, 2022, 1:42 PM
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He has 3 games left. He’s had 3 years of reps. He still is not even average. I hope the fans don’t have to watch Cade be great at another school because DJ needs his little feelings pampered. He better be ready next week or he will be remember as the QB that lost the first home game in 6 years to the hated rival. I wanna see the Cult of Tigernet defend him then.
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You poor coot. The beatdown is pending.
Nov 20, 2022, 1:50 PM
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DJ is 38th in the country in QBR. That's upper 3rd, not "below average".
More importantly, his team is 10-1 and #8, with an outside shot at the playoffs. That's upper crust and obviously above average.
Are you Judge Keller's illegitimate love child? You're starting to make it pretty obvious.
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Nov 20, 2022, 8:58 PM
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I am one of the "some of you people" tdqtiger. I do not believe Cade Klubnik is superior to DW4 (the best all-time Clemson player) or TL16 (top 10). I do believe CK2 is and will prove to be far superior to DJ5. I accept because of DJ's anxieties, CK2 cannot get on the field. In your condescension of other posters, have you ever considered DJ is often immobile, inconsistent, slow to process/hit open receivers, slow to audible to right plays, and riddled with nerves.
To use your bar, DJ on the field is far from DW4/TL16 standards. Klubnik's performance and #1 ranking in majority of Elite 11 championship drills (something TL16 and DW4 did not achieve) and the Texas 6A championships were no fluke. My take is CK2 is a Christian gentleman who is willing to not compete with DJ in order to serve Dabo's wishes and system. Based on CK2's lack of usage at Clemson, we know nothing right now. Time will tell.
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Nov 21, 2022, 9:34 AM
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I don't disagree with you evaluation of Uiagalelei. I disagree with your assessment of Klubnik. If he was better than Uiagalelei, he would be starting.
I disagree with you evaluation of Klubnik 's mindset or Dabo's motives. Nothing indicates that Klubnik is better, but is being held back for some nefarious reason. The simplest, and most logical, conclusion is that the coaches feel that Klubnik simply isn't ready and that Uiagalelei gives the team the best chance to win. The problem is that you have some people who can't accept this, and are trying to convince themselves that there is some magic fix. They are trying to wish something into existence.
In the future, Klubnik may prove to be an All-American first round. That may be. For now, he hasn't demonstrated that now, particularly to the coaches, whose opinion is all that matters.
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Dabo treats DJ just like he has all QBs.
Nov 20, 2022, 1:21 PM
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This isn't anything like a Cole / Deshaun or KB / Trevor issue.
Dabo plays to win the game, and we seem to be doing better than most everyone at that.
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Re: I think that is the main thing that frustrates fans with
Nov 20, 2022, 2:01 PM
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Something hit me last night while watching the USC-UCLA game. If DJ indeed does decide to transfer after this year, I think UCLA could be a really good fit.
1. DJ is from LA and could go home.
2. UCLA QB is a senior.
3. They run a West Coast offense where a pocket passer would be a nice fit.
4. Coach Kelly has helped developed some pretty QBs both at the college and NFL levels.
5. UCLA is a good program that recruits well and could surround DJ with some good weapons.
Maybe this is a reach but it kind of makes sense to me.
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Re: Please explain why we would have forced Cade in on
Nov 20, 2022, 2:12 PM
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I think the point being made is that Cade is one twisted knee away from being the starter and it would be kind of nice if he got some meaningful snaps while the game is still competitive rather than just a series here and there during mop-up duty. Given the lead we had at halftime you might think we could have used him a little sooner without taking on much risk.
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Re: One easy observation from the game yesterday. We used a
Nov 20, 2022, 12:15 PM
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I always assumed, hope, wished, prayed, that we hold a lot of scheming back and not wanting to show more than necessary. I hope the team sees this an instils some confidence that we can kick it to another level when called for. I'm starting to feel better about the prospect of playing a Georgia or Ohio st. Pretty sure we could take some of the lessers (ROY). We have to be able to turn it up for four full quarters. Put yer foot on their neck and don't let crying bother you. Them was some mouthy mfers on the field last night. It could get nasty!
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Buss dat axx and da mouth stays shut... Shake the Rattler.***
Nov 20, 2022, 1:05 PM
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Let’s remove the fumble plays from the playbook!
Nov 20, 2022, 12:18 PM
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Seriously missed out on one TD ….
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Re: Let’s remove the fumble plays from the playbook!
Nov 20, 2022, 12:35 PM
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I thought the Davis Allen was probably unpreventable given the current rules. That defender 100% lowered his head and put it exactly on the ball. Very dangerous play, legal (not sure why) but still dangerous. He got away with it unscathed and produced a turnover….and all he had to risk was a broken neck.
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The Allen fumble, as I saw it.
Nov 20, 2022, 12:44 PM
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Allen was carrying the ball too low. He wasn't carrying it "high and tight."
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The fumble which netted UM's 7 points was on the TE.
Nov 20, 2022, 12:39 PM
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DJ took a massive blind side hit so I do not fault him for that. 71, I believe, should have tackled the guy from the rear because the penalty wouldn't have done as much harm.
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Exactly. 3rd quarter - 3 fumbles on consecutive possessions
Nov 20, 2022, 12:42 PM
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21 points. Two TDs Clemson didn't get, one TD Miami did get.
Take away the fumbles and my 52-3 prediction was pretty close.
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The offense was the same one we've been running all year.
Nov 20, 2022, 12:40 PM
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The biggest difference was DJ was executing at a much higher consistency, except for a portion of the 2nd half.
We didn't stop anything in the 2nd half.. the QB played poorly as he's prone to do.
We have always had presnap motions and changing sets.
I definitely respect your opinion 76, but the bottom line is the offense appears different at time simply because it's being executed differently. When the most important position on the field is having trouble reading, reacting, and accuracy, then we are forced to scale it back.
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Re: The offense was the same one we've been running all year.
Nov 20, 2022, 2:05 PM
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I agree. There are 2 things that I wonder if they are affecting the execution when we get a lead. First are we slowing the tempo any and is that affecting DJ? And second, I wonder if it’s just DJ in his mind starting to try to be conservative in his reads and his play and he is overthinking and making mistakes. Certainly seems when something bad happens it gets in his head. Kind of reminds me of Tajh whenever Clowney lined up on the other side of the ball. As bad as I hate to say it Tajh was a different player when he saw Clowney.
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Re: One easy observation from the game yesterday. We used a
Nov 20, 2022, 12:41 PM
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Your argument really doesn't have a lot of merit to it, IMO.
For one, this late in the season both Carolina's should pretty much have an idea of what we look like as should know what they look like.
Secondly ,holding back now is the perfect receipt for losing a close game.
As to the stupid part, I question more some of the stupid plays we call. But hey I am not one of the coaches.
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I bet you're one of those folks that
Nov 20, 2022, 1:27 PM
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calls every play that doesn't work, a "stupid playcall", and for every play that does work you say, "see, I told you that's what we should call".
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Re: One easy observation from the game yesterday. We used a
Nov 20, 2022, 12:44 PM
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Or it could be Miami made an adjustment.
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exactly, most arguments on TNET assume we play a static
Nov 20, 2022, 12:51 PM
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defense
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Re: One easy observation from the game yesterday. We used a
Nov 20, 2022, 3:26 PM
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Cade comes in at the point in the game that Dabo doesn't want to score anymore because he doesn't want to pile on. He takes Swinney and Herbstreit, two of our premier receivers, and terrible plays and scores a touchdown. Bottom line is he's screwed as long as DJ is on the team which means he has another year to be screwed. That is if he hangs around, which I would be surprised if he does.
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