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I know people turn their noses up at WVU in the ACC
Jul 24, 2021, 8:52 AM
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but that would bring some #### good rivalry games to the ACC inventory. The Backyard Brawl (Pitt vs. WVU) and WVU vs.VT most notably and that is exactly what the ACC needs. The SEC has all these great border rivalry games.
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Re: I know people turn their noses up at WVU in the ACC
Jul 24, 2021, 9:08 AM
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WVU won't save the ACC, and it'll bring even less in terms of television revenue.
If the ACC wants to survive it needs to think much bigger.
However this shakes out Clemson will be fine provided President Clements, the BOT, D-Rad, and Dabo don't all get lobotomy's.
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Re: I know people turn their noses up at WVU in the ACC
Jul 24, 2021, 9:23 AM
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ND will be the one to bring in the serious football revenue even if they come in kicking and screaming. ND and WVU make the most sense for the ACC especially in distance to the other ACC schools and state footprint.
Getting a team from the Big 10 or SEC is a pipe dream and joke. It's not going to happen.
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Agree 100% and the addition is not about getting carriage
Jul 24, 2021, 10:46 AM
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fees any longer. It is about how large a fanbase a school has for all the streaming etc.
West Virginia fits perfectly in all those areas and perfectly connects the conference contigously. WVU will have the likes of Clemson, FSU, Virginia Tech on its side. Also our president Clements used to be president of WVU I think. He should be in their corner.
But as we all know, it is going to take Notre Dame to really move the needle. They will only come when they feel they have no other option. The ACC will not give them an ultimatum, nor should they as that could backfire. Rather, they will get to the point of no other option due to the changing landscape of college football. Eventually, they will have to join.
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Geography doesn’t really matter anymore.***
Jul 26, 2021, 10:49 PM
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I respectfully disagree
Jul 26, 2021, 10:42 PM
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...and 2010 wants their conference expansion strategy back.
It's a whole new ballgame and adding ND and WVU to the will only result is the ACC falling further behind.
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Re: I know people turn their noses up at WVU in the ACC
Jul 24, 2021, 9:41 AM
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While WVU wouldn't be adding a significant TV market on its own, their presence would help boost ratings in the larger NE markets we have when they are matched up together. Fans love to hate on WVU, especially our Yankee contingency. IMO they would be a boost to our overall product.
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Re: I know people turn their noses up at WVU in the ACC
Jul 24, 2021, 9:16 AM
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We got the only good from WV in Pres Clements. Leave them where they are. Neither wanted or needed in the ACC
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Re: I know people turn their noses up at WVU in the ACC
Jul 24, 2021, 9:17 AM
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It’s all about the Benjamins now. NIL just blew the old college football that we grew up with away. You need to adjust your thinking to the new reality. The teams with the money and exposure will get the players and be the only ones that can compete on a national scale.
There will be a few water boys like Vandy and South Carolina who got lucky and get big revenue from the conference, assuming the SEC doesn’t change from its current equal revenue sharing model. (I’d love it if they started rewarding based on % of contribution).
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Re: I know people turn their noses up at WVU in the ACC
Jul 24, 2021, 9:42 AM
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It's not their team or their school, it's their fans. WVU has maybe the worst fan base in the country; even the gamecroks are embarrassed by how low class they are. We don't need those losers coming to town for games.
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Re: I know people turn their noses up at WVU in the ACC
Jul 24, 2021, 10:22 AM
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Agreed. You have to see them to truly appreciate how vile they are.
They. Are. Terrible.
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Re: I know people turn their noses up at WVU in the ACC
Jul 25, 2021, 10:58 PM
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I love games in Morgantown. I was there when NC State's band played Sweet Caroline at halftime. WVU hasn't played Pitt in ten years since they joined the big 12. What happened? 60,000 fans sang eat #### Pitt at the appropriate place in the Sweet Caroline song. WVU fans are diehard tru blue fans. I've never seen fans enjoy games as much as at WVU. Don't sit on an aisle seat in Morgantown because the WVU fans buy more food and drink per capita than anybody. The big scoreboard never stops during the game. The fans are as entertaining as the game. For those of you who think WVU fans are too wild go to a game in Bloomingtom, Indiana and try to stay awake. WVU would be great for the ACC. Does anybody remember this photo from the Orange Bowl?
https://www.bing.com/images/blob?bcid=TuYDL4wEigYDdIzqEiFdYm-rvxTS.....5s
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They sound like the kind of rednecks I expect to see at an SEC game.
Jul 26, 2021, 10:48 PM
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I don’t find that nearly as cool as you do.
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Re: I know people turn their noses up at WVU in the ACC
Jul 24, 2021, 9:56 AM
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For what it is worth, UWV is academically a very poorly ranked school. It ranks 241. It is defintely not the norm for the ACC with schools like Duke, BC, GT, UVA, UNC and Miami for example, and there are plenty of others.
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WVU gives any high school grad the opportunity. That is why
Jul 24, 2021, 10:58 AM
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their entrance requirements are so low. They are trying to pull students throughout the state out of poverty. It is an admirable mission. The internet boards constantly say WVU is bad academically, but the quote below suggessts otherwise
WVU is one of only about a dozen schools in the country that are land-grant, doctoral research universities with a comprehensive medical school.
WVU recipients of prestigious scholarships include 25 Rhodes Scholars, 25 Truman Scholars, 46 Goldwater Scholars, 3 George C. Marshall (British) Scholars, 6 Morris K. Udall Scholars, 5 USA Today All-USA College Academic First Team Members (and 11 academic team honorees), 28 Boren Scholars, 72 Gilman Scholars, 68 Fulbright Scholars, 3 Department of Homeland Security Scholars, 35 Critical Language Scholars, one Jack Kent Cooke Foundation Graduate Scholar, and 27 National Science Foundation Graduate Research Fellowships.
WVU is one of only four institutions that offer a joint petroleum and natural gas engineering ABET-accredited major.
WVU continues to rank at the highest level of research activity (“Doctoral Universities: Highest Research Activity” or “R1”) as reflected in the Carnegie Classification of Institutions of Higher Education. Only 130 of the nation's 4,500 colleges and universities attain this ranking.
The College of Law provides about 40,000 hours of free legal services and student pro bono projects annually.
Bonnie’s Bus, WVU Cancer Institute’s mobile digital mammography unit, has provided over 21,000 mammograms and detected at least 110 cases of breast cancer since 2009.
WVU Extension educators and volunteers guide 1-in-5 West Virginia youths in “learn by doing” 4-H projects and activities that build citizenship and career skills.
Since 1991 WVU’s Global Health Program has given students in medicine, dentistry, and other health careers opportunities to visit and provide care in countries whose people have limited access to health care.
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Re: WVU gives any high school grad the opportunity. That is why
Jul 24, 2021, 12:56 PM
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That is a nice list of admirable traits but it does not equate to academic excellence.
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Who decides academic excellence...? They're serving WV.***
Jul 26, 2021, 6:17 AM
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Re: Who decides academic excellence...? They're serving WV.***
Jul 26, 2021, 2:30 PM
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That's fantastic. My only point that does not equate to academic excellence. One does not equal the other.
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Well, honestly that's their fault.
Jul 26, 2021, 2:36 PM
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I admire their mission, but you can't pat yourself on the back for serving a state that is poor and with very low educational attainment, and then use it as an excuse for not have a higher caliber of students.
If that's their mission, great! But own it, and don't use it as an excuse for not having better students.
All public schools struggle with this to an extent. Clemson is located in a state that is poorly ranked for K-12 education, but thankfully Clemson has carved out a niche to serve high caliber students from SC while also taking talented out of state students. Thank goodness we don't view it as our mission to educate the masses in South Carolina, or we'd be like the Coots.
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Re: I know people turn their noses up at WVU in the ACC
Jul 25, 2021, 11:08 PM
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UWV? Such elitsm. Reminds me when Virginia played football in Morgantown and their band made fun of the people of West Virginia by dressing up as hillbillies. If WVU (not UWV) was in the ACC they would beat a lot of ACC schools.
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Re: I know people turn their noses up at WVU in the ACC
Jul 26, 2021, 11:22 PM
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We are not elitists.
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I don’t think they were being mean to say UWV.
Jul 27, 2021, 12:00 AM
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They probably didn’t know that it’s WVU and not UWV.
Do you know why?
Because WVU isn’t a good enough school for most people to care about such details.
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Re: I know people turn their noses up at WVU in the ACC
Jul 24, 2021, 9:56 AM
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For what it is worth, UWV is academically a very poorly ranked school. It ranks 241. It is defintely not the norm for the ACC with schools like Duke, BC, GT, UVA, UNC and Miami for example, and there are plenty of others.
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Where does Louisville rank?**
Jul 24, 2021, 10:07 AM
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Nm
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Re: Where does Louisville rank?**
Jul 24, 2021, 10:14 AM
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Louisville is not great either. They are ranked 176.
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Re: Where does Louisville rank?**
Jul 26, 2021, 11:31 PM
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Louisville's public school ranking is tied for 87th. Their national universities ranking is 176. WVU is 117 and 241.
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Re: I know people turn their noses up at WVU in the ACC
Jul 26, 2021, 2:38 PM
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They are a bigger rival with Pitt, but yes, VT, Miami, Cuse all have history with the couch burners.
They can start a new battle with UofL for lowest literacy rate.
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Re: I know people turn their noses up at WVU in the ACC
Jul 24, 2021, 10:32 AM
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Shrinking home state population.
Sketchy academics.
Trashy fans.
Dwindling national football presence.
On the plus side they are close to some other ACC schools.
A big "meh" bordering on a hard pass.
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WVU of 2021 is VASTLY DIFFERENT Than the WVU of 2010
Jul 28, 2021, 12:54 PM
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First off, I'm a grad of WVU and a fan of Clemson. This is my first post. Be gentle. Lol.
Honestly, though, y'all need some updates on the state of WVU and their position in WV and their region.
One, WVU started accepting a larger portion of out-of-state students than in-state about five years ago. WVU is a STEAL, even with out-of-state tuition costs, compared to many schools in PA, VA, MD, KY, and OH. This has also raised our academics quite a bit.
Second, don't think of WVU as a school that reflects the state more than it is a school that reflects its region. 75 miles south of Pittsburgh. 20 miles east of the MD state line. Three hours from Columbus, OH. Three hours from Washington, D.C..
Third, WVU has upgraded their sports facilities, stadium, campus, and even their fan base since 2010. All are on par with the majority of P5 schools. Our Basketball Facilities are known as one of the finest in the country (We studied Duke and other Blueblood Schools for ideas).
We no longer burn couches and NEVER rush the field. The street where couches burned was bought by the University, razed, and then student townhouses were built. On top of that, our time in the Big 12 made our fans realize that hospitality and good competition was a better choice than the old style of being jerks and almost violent to visiting fans from the opposition. Heck, I was in the WVU Marching Band during those times and I assure you that those days were the beginning of the end for that garbage.
Finally, we are an R1 institution with the best undergrad forensics program in the nation that is also the only one partnered with the FBI. We have much going for us and sorry, but we don't reject everyone and waste millions on landscaping and frivolous bs to get a higher ranking in U.S. News. That ranking is a joke and most know it. We are still a Land-Grant University that owes it to our young people to give them a chance.
Do I hope that they will one day go to an "Extension University" system where only the best get into the Main whilst the others must prove themselves at an extension? ABSOLUTELY! And Me thinks that a membership in the ACC may push us to doing just that thing.
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We really need to grab them even if the money stays the same
Jul 24, 2021, 10:40 AM
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per school. Grab them and then hold the 16th spot for Notre Dame. The reason we need to grab WVU is to keep the Big from grabbing them and encroaching in ACC territory any further. As you said, they add exactly what the ACC needs more of and that is a fanbase that cares and follows its team. They add atmosphere and add to an inventory games that people get excited about.
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Re: We really need to grab them even if the money stays the same
Jul 24, 2021, 10:46 AM
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The BIG would never take West Virginia. They go to the ACC or into a non-power conference.
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One would think, but these are crazy times. I wouldn't put
Jul 24, 2021, 11:29 AM
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it past them, but point taken.
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I don’t turn up my nose to WVU…
Jul 24, 2021, 10:47 AM
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I tend to pinch my nose when around WVU fans cuz I don’t like their smell, but I don’t turn my nose up to them or their fine technical school of higher edumakayshun.
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The snub of WVU during earlier expansion years still
Jul 24, 2021, 11:04 AM
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grates nerves.
Unlike VT, which had the Virginia Governor, in its corner, West Virginia had no one to rally to their defense.
I didn't like the ACC treatment of WVU then and will despise it even more so, if we allow the same mistreatment this time around.
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I hope President Clements will be pushing for them. I think
Jul 24, 2021, 11:30 AM
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he was formerly their president.
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Re: The snub of WVU during earlier expansion years still
Jul 27, 2021, 12:37 AM
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I don't see why they can't be accepted with the agreement that they work to improve academics. Isn't that what was done with Louisville?
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I think by taking Louisville the turning up their nose at
Jul 24, 2021, 11:36 AM
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anyone academically ship sailed.
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Re: I know people turn their noses up at WVU in the ACC
Jul 24, 2021, 12:34 PM
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I have no idea where Syracuse and Pittsburgh nor B.C . rank academically versus other schools. I will tell you they could not have made 3 worst choices for keeping the ACC relevant in sports than when choosing those 3 schools to join the conference. Throw in Duke and Wake as absolutely useless members who suck the football ### and will never offer anything of substance .
Every time I’ve been to B.C. , you have to tell Boston locals that B.C. Is playing Clemson. Pittsburgh only cares about whatever pro season it is and Syracuse has about as much a bright future in football as does the Big 12. But man do those SAT scores get me ready for some Friday night ACC football action!
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Re: I know people turn their noses up at WVU in the ACC
Jul 24, 2021, 1:06 PM
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And this is why the ACC is a terrible football conference. Too many thinking about academic ratings and rankings. Not once have I seen them give those when they reveal the playoff rankings in the fall.
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Re: I know people turn their noses up at WVU in the ACC
Jul 27, 2021, 2:36 AM
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With college realignment underway academics are going out the window. College football is going semi-professional. I don't think we are very far away from college football being like Nascar. How long will it be until we see conference and individual team sponsorships. We could see the Exxon Mobil Longhorns vs. the Encino Energy Sooners in the annual Fed Ex Red River Rivalry at AT & T Stadium in the Nationwide Insurance SEC conference. If the ACC was smart they would merge with the Big 10 and both conferences would drop the sisters of the poor schools. If you're a Clemson fan would you rather play Duke, WF, GT and UNC every year or Ohio State, Wisconsin, Michigan and Penn State.
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Re: I know people turn their noses up at WVU in the ACC
Jul 28, 2021, 1:05 PM
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We are in a new college football world. It’s all about per team payout from the conference. ACC is last because we have so many teams that don’t generate football value.
I’m for adding any team that drives up our per team payout and I’m against any team that doesn’t.
Show me the $$$ WVU adds to our annual payout. That’s all that matters.
Same for ND or any other team.
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Re: I know people turn their noses up at WVU in the ACC
Jul 28, 2021, 2:07 PM
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$$$ is all that matters in today's semi pro environment. Forget academics, forget market share and footprint. WVU needs to prepare a report showing the ACC how it can bring in revenue to the conference and how much $$$ it can make each member. Absent that, they're not getting in as just another warm body.
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