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What's wrong with our Football Recruiting?
Jun 18, 2022, 9:50 PM
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Raise your hand if you were badmouthing our football recruiting a month ago. For the record, my hand is not up. Dabo knows what he's doing. Go Tigers!!!
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I don’t remember anyone badmouthing it.
Jun 18, 2022, 10:13 PM
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But I do recall people expressing concern. Why is that not allowed?
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Re: I don’t remember anyone badmouthing it.
Jun 18, 2022, 10:33 PM
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Is your hand up?
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Re: I don’t remember anyone badmouthing it.
Jun 18, 2022, 11:04 PM
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It is allowed. People were trying to tell you that you were an idiot for having those concerns. And here we are.
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She really thinks people are dumb.
Jun 19, 2022, 2:42 PM
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She looks down on Clemson fans. She's a true weasel of the worst kind.
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Re: I don’t remember anyone badmouthing it.
Jun 19, 2022, 10:57 AM
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But I do recall people expressing concern. Why is that not allowed?
Boy, now I've heard everything. First, let me state a few things, I'm not a regular responder, but I have started responding more often. However, I have been a regular reader for several years. I have no problem with voices of concern. I also hate TigerNet posters who automatically label other TigerNet posters "Coots" whenever they simply voice concerns, or their humble and well-supported differences of opinion, or possible other issues.
I have also been concerned about NIL & how some programs (like Texas A& M) may use NIL (without some agreement on how abuses can be dealt with) from basically buying potential recruits. I've not been so concerned with Transfers. Most transfers in college (i emphasize "most"), transfer out because they believe they have not been given a fair shake in playing time. Some of the Clemson Tigers who have transferred out felt this way. However, most seem to appreciate their time as a Tiger, and even remain loyal to the Paw brand & to our coaches and players. They just see the handwriting on the wall that their time has passed for getting more playing time against current players, and the threat of falling further behind against incoming 4 & 5 stars. I also totally support Dabo's moderated approach to using the portal to look for key transfers who fit our program (both in talent and in overall character traits) in the few areas that need help (like Offensive line) because of injuries & other issues. I totally agree with him that most of our player groups have adequate talent, and they just need experience & further development. I also fully support his recruiting of High School students, and then developing them on the field and off to "make them all they can be" as players and as adult individuals outside of football.
From Day one, I believed that Coach Swinney was a winner in attitude, and I always thought he would be successful. Two National Championships, six straight Playoff appearances, 8 straight wins over the Coots--NOT in my wildest dreams! I have seen Dabo grow & become more more confident in all his beliefs, and I totally support him. His success in picking coaches, and developing coaches is great. I was also apprehensive when Coach Venables left, less so with the loss of Tony Elliot. I knew nothing about Coach Goodwin, but i had confidence in Dabo. I wasn't worried about Coach Streeter; lots of people seem to forget he had previous experience as both a quarterback coach & "Offensive Coordinator" at a lower level before he came back to Clemson!
Going back to my first sentence about "Boy, now I've heard everything." Well, I haven't kept a list of all our regular TigerNet posters and their specific positions (i.e., "voices of concern" vs. "outright criticism"). However, I have heard for several months not just voices of concern, but downright criticism of Coach Swinney's approach to just about everything. I couldn't believe it. No appreciation for what Coach Swinney has done, or how he has changed Clemson football for the better (I would say for the best!). All I've heard is "Woe is me, we can't win football games anymore, and we can't compete for high ranked recruits anymore." Furthermore, "We need to drop Dabo's approach in recruiting, coaching, transfers, etc., etc.; and Dabo is stubborn and can't change with the times."
That's Bull crap! They ignore how he has gotten rid of non-performing coaches, replaced them and coaches who've moved onto greener pastures (with his blessing & support I might add) with fantastic replacements--many from our own program who he has groomed for and rewarded with more responsibility . They ignore how he has in fact adapted throughout the years--no longer going after talented recruits who had problematic character flaws who totally wasted their opportunities to shine. Instead, he has totally created an environment where we not only evaluate their talent, but also their key character traits to fit into all he (and we) are trying to accomplish "on and off the field." Also, he has moderated his approach to using the portal when necessary to fill weaknesses in our individual player groups.
I fully support almost every Dabo belief, approach, and decision. And it will take more than a few hiccups along the way for me to doubt him in any way, until he proves to me over and over again that he has lost his way in today's constantly changing environment! Go Dabo and Go Tigers!"
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Re: I don’t remember anyone badmouthing it.
Jun 19, 2022, 11:22 AM
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Great post. Couldn’t have stated it better.
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I don’t remember anyone badmouthing it - I have no memory
Jun 19, 2022, 12:34 PM
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Honestly, the whole bunch of Chicken Littles on here need to start a FB or Reddit page to discuss hobbies, then leave this to comments about sports by at least semi-knowledgeable people. This forum has crossed the line between social media and fan boards. So with all due respect to Spud, your fishing tales don’t really have anything to do with recruiting, and most people either don’t read or don’t respond to the “Mommy, I’m scared!” Posts from unknowledgeable people seeking comrades in their day to day life, not unlike emotional support dogs. So the same 25 people - rinse and repeat. I hate BB, Dabo can’t recruit, we should win natties every year in every sport, our QB is intentionally playing poorly, etc. The vast majority of posts indicated that as of 2 weeks ago, we would be forced out of BCS due to the clueless Dabo. Now, out of the woodwork crawls hundreds of “I never said that” and total support for the same guy, now that we sign a few players. If, after the results of Dabo’s time here, you do not support him, you are not a Clemson Fan - Period. Find another interest. I had no problem eliminating the NFL and NBA from my universe, you can eliminate Clemson sports if you find it too upsetting… Do yourself and the readers a favor and take up a hobby that allows your direct control of the outcome - try golf or fly-tying, anything without the need for your opinion. You would be much happier - face it, for college sports and Clemson, these are The Glory Days. If you don’t agree, you are just spoiled by Dabo’s success that you gladly incorporate into your daily lives as if you had something to do with his success, but for some reason turn this into self loathing, should we ever lose a game of any kind. It’s really sad that people just don’t appreciate what they have. You can move to Tuscaloosa any time you can pay the freight! Happy Fathers Day Dabo!
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Re: I don’t remember anyone badmouthing it.
Jun 19, 2022, 1:04 PM
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I don't have anything against folks showing concerns, but when they have nothing good to say about a coach who has won two national championships then it shows bias.
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Re: I don’t remember anyone badmouthing it.
Jun 19, 2022, 1:08 PM
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What’s wrong with questioning a subpar basketball coach that can’t coach 2nd halves of games much less second halves of seasons.
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As far as you're concerned..
Jun 19, 2022, 2:41 PM
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It was obvious it wasn't a "concern" on your part. As part of your ongoing charade, railing on the football program in a passive aggressive manner is something you've been unable to hide.
The seemingly slow start to recruiting was one of those matters. It wasn't "concern" from you at all - it was backhanded pleasure and your typical passive aggressiveness. You desperately want other programs to join the frustration of the unsuccessful basketball program.
You may be fooling some folks, but most of us see right through your hypocritical charade.
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Not guilty- no complaining on my part
Jun 18, 2022, 10:39 PM
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but I am a patient guy not bothered by much
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Let's see. We have a guy at the helm, who was thrust in
Jun 19, 2022, 7:28 AM
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to the job in the middle of a down year with 6 days to transition from a position coach to the head caller in charge. It took him 15 minutes to go fire a the OC, who had once called a game against BC, where we completed 13 passes on third down and did not convert a single first down. He then went on to win 4 of 6 games and beat Coot legendary coach #3 in his first meeting. Oh, and did I mention, he astounded the BOARD of DIRECTORS by telling them he didn't want CLemson to be like Oklahoma and Ohio State,etc. He wanted them to be like CLemson.....WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT HAS HAPPENED. Oklahoma even has a Ladies Clinic!! Oh, and he beat BAMA twice for a TROPHY.
.....and is fixing to beat the COOTS for the 9th time in a row....
I am gonna say I never doubted....
Spud
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Ditto! ??***
Jun 19, 2022, 10:15 AM
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I don’t think anyone was “badmouthing” our recruiting.
Jun 18, 2022, 11:05 PM
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People were asking why our success in that area wasn’t on par with where it had been in previous years. I was personally more concerned (and still am) with the overall recruiting landscape and what it may devolve into. Last year’s recruiting cycle was very discouraging and didn’t make me feel like college football was going in the right direction. I think we now have a clear NIL strategy to sell to recruits and it is putting us back on par with other major programs.
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Re: What's wrong with our Football Recruiting?
Jun 18, 2022, 11:15 PM
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I was concerned bc of last years class and didn’t know how we would do with NIL. Thankfully my concerns are not much anymore and this class is shaping up very well.
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Re: What's wrong with our Football Recruiting?
Jun 19, 2022, 2:59 AM
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Neither was mine, but honestly, I have been really worried that the NIL was going to destroy the Dabo led FB program that we all have surely enjoyed these past 12-13 years!!!
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Re: What's wrong with our Football Recruiting?
Jun 19, 2022, 6:46 AM
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4* are great but 5 on the other hand might be a little better. Unfortunately I’m not seeing that anymore?
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There are a few 5*s that are not full of themselves, but not
Jun 19, 2022, 10:20 AM
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Many… I would prefer 3 and 4*s that are flying under the radar who have a great work ethic, attitude and character.
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Re: What's wrong with our Football Recruiting?
Jun 19, 2022, 10:30 AM
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You are right-4 stars are absolutely unacceptable especially if they happen to have great character and are good students. Get real man!
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Our “very best” recruiting classes led to a 10-3 season.
Jun 19, 2022, 2:31 PM
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While several successive solid, but not spectacular classes won two national titles and kept us a fixture in the CFP.
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Re: What's wrong with our Football Recruiting?
Jun 19, 2022, 7:06 AM
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JstoneD329 kept going on and on how we could no longer recruit at an elite level. Now Cobbox…. I meant jstone acts like heshe has been on the bandwagon all along.
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Re: What's wrong with our Football Recruiting?
Jun 19, 2022, 7:33 AM
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Never did I ever. As usual you and the truth do not coexist in the same spot. If you have evidence to the contrary please show it.
I absolutely expressed concerns as did others. We were under the crazy assumption that was allowed on a message board but guess it is more fun to bully fellow fans. Oh well have fun with it!
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Re: What's wrong with our Football Recruiting?
Jun 19, 2022, 9:17 AM
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Not scrolling through a couuple months of post history but you did. So did your buddy JK.
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Re: What's wrong with our Football Recruiting?
Jun 19, 2022, 9:40 AM
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I DO NOT sweat ONE SECOND about what 17 & 18 year olds say, think or do. I’d like the very best to come to Clemson, but there are dozens of conflicting priorities that influence those decisions and I don’t, nor should I, get a say. You could be the greatest football player ever born, but if you are a rotten human being, I hope you don’t don’t come to Clemson. It’s the Coaches job to weed through all of that and I trust them to do their job. Silly season will be over soon.
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