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Brad's 1st year attendance - 9,465. This year - 7,541.
Mar 21, 2017, 8:32 AM
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Notice the fan support from his first year, when excitement for what Oliver Purnell built, coupled with the belief that we had achieved a certain level of success that BRad would build upon, created a great environment for basketball.
Fast forward to today, with a $63.5 Million dollar shining facility on a hill, and we have an almost 20% drop in attendance.
What would you estimate the lost revenue at over the course of an 18 game home season? $1 Million to the school? $1 Million for the local economy?
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Re: Brad's 1st year attendance - 9,465. This year - 7,541.
Mar 21, 2017, 8:34 AM
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Didn't they remove a ton of seating though ? May play a part in some of the drop .
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Re: Brad's 1st year attendance - 9,465. This year - 7,541.
Mar 21, 2017, 8:34 AM
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We get it...you hate him. BTW, presumably, you were one of the 7541 in the seat each game, right?
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I don't hate Brad. He seems like a nice guy. But facts are
Mar 21, 2017, 8:37 AM
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facts. Sorry, if that hurts your feelings.
You may want to take a few weeks off from Tigernet. The facts aren't going to change any time soon.
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Re: I don't hate Brad. He seems like a nice guy. But facts are
Mar 21, 2017, 8:41 AM
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Except your facts are skewed.
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Re: I don't hate Brad. He seems like a nice guy. But facts are
Mar 21, 2017, 9:25 AM
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here are the facts. brad will be back next year. fact. you and the coachmacs of the world will just have to deal with it. it wasnt the decision i wanted to hear but guess what, he will be my coach and will get my support 100%. hopefully he will make some changes and get this thing headed in the right direction. why dont you and your snowflake buddies get behind the "program". you dont have to like the coach. being on here 24/7 saying the same thing over and over does no one any good.
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What changes do you see Brownell making under duress
Mar 21, 2017, 9:29 AM
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that he wouldn't make on his own?
Don't take it personally. It's a discussion board, so when you decide to keep the basketball coach around after 7 years of sub-mediocrity, there will be some discussion of it. If you have something to add that supports your belief in Coach Brownell, feel free to mention it. If it hurts your feelings, you may want to find something else to do for awhile.
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Re: What changes do you see Brownell making under duress
Mar 21, 2017, 9:39 AM
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problem is you aint discussing. you are saying the same thing over and over. we get it. you dont like the coach. maybe "discuss" what will make the program better since he is now going to be back. imo the 1st thing is getting a juco or 5th year big man in here. its spring snowflakes, dont melt.
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I don't want to make you cry, but the dropping attendance
Mar 21, 2017, 9:46 AM
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under Brownell is not something that has been covered on the board much at all.
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Re: I don't want to make you cry, but the dropping attendance
Mar 21, 2017, 9:48 AM
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PRETTY SIMPLE, WIN. IF HE DONT A CHANGE WILL BE MADE. IT REALLY AINT ROCKET SURGERY.
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How can you say that with any certainty?
Mar 21, 2017, 9:52 AM
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What indication do you have that a similar outcome next year will suddenly be grounds for dismissal? I doubt DRad has higher expectations for next year than he did for this year. Expectations, along with attendance, have fallen dramatically since the Oliver Purnell days.
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Re: How can you say that with any certainty?
Mar 21, 2017, 10:00 AM
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OK YOU WIN. I GIVE. WE WILL ALWAYS SUCK IN BASKETBALL.
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I don't believe that for a second. Clemson can be a great
Mar 21, 2017, 10:06 AM
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basketball program. Just not under the current regime. That is the basis of my critique. I am not accepting of this level of mediocrity because I know what Clemson can be.
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Re: I don't hate Brad. He seems like a nice guy. But facts are
Mar 21, 2017, 9:50 AM
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"being on here 24/7 saying the same thing over and over does no one any good. "
Yep look at his topics created... It is just the same thing over and over again.
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While you are factually incorrect, why don't you simply
Mar 21, 2017, 9:54 AM
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avoid reading them or switch to decaf.
Can't you just put me on ignore?
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Re: While you are factually incorrect, why don't you simply
Mar 21, 2017, 9:56 AM
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lol someone who is spamming the board with the same crap over and over again is telling me to switch to decaf... When you resort to childish #### like that you have lost congrats.
That is rich.
Also yes it is factually correct anyone can click on your user name and see.
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The fan support of Clemson basketball has been wrongly
Mar 21, 2017, 9:58 AM
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portrayed by Brownell apologists repeatedly.
Hopefully, I have brought some facts to the table that show that portrayal is a lie.
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Re: The fan support of Clemson basketball has been wrongly
Mar 21, 2017, 10:00 AM
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lol your facts are skewed though the fact that you refuse to admit that says a lot about your ability to have an adult conversation.
Also not sure why you are bringing up Brownell apologist in my direction...
I have said starting 2 years ago this year was NCAA T or bust. I have been done with him for most of this year.
Edit: I also will GLADLY admit that attendance has fallen to unacceptable levels. I simply am saying your comparison is flat out misleading and not a good one. It is apples to oranges.
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What "misleading conclusion" can you draw from my posts?
Mar 21, 2017, 10:12 AM
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Attendance is peachy?
Clemson fans absolutely refuse to support a winner?
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Re: What "misleading conclusion" can you draw from my posts?
Mar 21, 2017, 10:36 AM
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Misleading is comparing attendance this year to a number that is not even reachable.
That is the misleading part.
That is the ONLY misleading part and you didnt even need to use it to make your point...
All I am saying is be honest with your assessment.
Attendance is garbage right now and has been for years you dont need to massage stats or mislead to get that conclusion.
Also not sure who you are referring to as a Brownell apologist over and over again but it sure as hell shouldnt be me.
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So, your point is that attendance is down 20% when 2015
Mar 21, 2017, 10:46 AM
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numbers are used, but down 16% instead of 20% when considered against the 2017 capacity?
Is that the nature of your nit? 
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that's the reason I don't opinionize on basketball
Mar 21, 2017, 8:44 AM
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I don't go to basketball games (only made it to 3 this season). So I'm staying out of this fray and letting the experts argue about it.
I do go to almost all football and baseball games, only sports I feel educated enough to speak to.
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Re: Brad's 1st year attendance - according to Yogi
Mar 21, 2017, 8:36 AM
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Noone goes there anymore it's too crowded
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Re: Brad's 1st year attendance - 9,465. This year - 7,541.
Mar 21, 2017, 8:40 AM
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Okay for starters...
The max we could have had this year would have been 9k..
Littlejohn is smaller by over 1000 seats from what it was his first year.
I am not defending Brownell but if you are going to have your little hissy fits at least be honest with your stats.
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Your stats are irrelevant
Mar 21, 2017, 9:12 AM
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Would only come into play if he was arguing OP's 10,000>BB's 9,000. Size of the arena has nothing to do with the fact Brad has lost almost 2,000 fans. New LJ seating capacity only accounts for 400+ of those. Fail.
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Re: Your stats are irrelevant
Mar 21, 2017, 9:15 AM
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lol NATurally you call a fact that doesnt fit your sad agenda "irrelevant"
NAT gonna NAT
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Can someone explain the NAT joke?***
Mar 21, 2017, 10:01 AM
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Re: Can someone explain the NAT joke?***
Mar 21, 2017, 10:02 AM
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FAILNOG...
You are fooling no one.
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As a Clemson mathematics graduate and a statistics teacher
Mar 21, 2017, 10:52 AM
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what the hell are you talking about?
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How does a 9,000 seat capacity reduce demand to 7,541
Mar 21, 2017, 9:16 AM
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I don't follow your logic. Also, wasn't the gleaming new facility and the enthusiasm of Brownell's best team ever suggest an increase over 2015 attendance? We are talking about a facility that was only upgraded for this year. How do you explain the steady decline to the 2015 level?
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Re: How does a 9,000 seat capacity reduce demand to 7,541
Mar 21, 2017, 9:18 AM
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Well lets see you are throwing that 20% number all over several other threads when that number ignores the FACT that the most it could have been is 9000 which is still a 5% drop.
I wuold also love to see the numbers if you removed ACC sell outs that are increasing the first year number.
What if you were to make those at 9k instead of 10k. What does that do to the attendance numbers.
See that is where your little hissy fit fails the test. You are not doing an apples to apples comparison.
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Well, show me the numbers that support your argument
Mar 21, 2017, 9:23 AM
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or cut back on the caffeine.
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Let's talk about the eye test as well
Mar 21, 2017, 9:26 AM
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tickets sold vs actual attendance. Towards the end of the regular season this year there were less than 3,000 people in the arena. We didn't have that problem in CBB's first year. Plus it's even more alarming when attendance was given some help early on due to the excitement of a renovated LJC. You can't possibly argue that over Brownell's tenure attendance has not suffered dramatically.
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Re: Let's talk about the eye test as well
Mar 21, 2017, 9:30 AM
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Not saying it hasnt... I am simply saying that Chuckstons stat is bs.
Which it 100% is.
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If anything, I would say his 20% stat is far too low
Mar 21, 2017, 9:32 AM
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I would venture to guess the actual attendance has dropped well more than 20%
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Re: If anything, I would say his 20% stat is far too low
Mar 21, 2017, 9:56 AM
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at least 20%, if not more - i would argue, that other than bc, i cannot imagine us not being in last place in league attendance
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The reported numbers show us 12th ahead of Pitt, NC State
Mar 21, 2017, 10:00 AM
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and BC.
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surprised
Mar 21, 2017, 10:03 AM
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and saddened. lj small enough to sell out every game. this program needs some energy - bad
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The 1st year attendance exposes the lie that Clemson fans
Mar 21, 2017, 9:43 AM
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won't support a good basketball program and are somehow responsible for the state of Clemson Basketball. You hear that lie a lot from the Brownell apologists.
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Re: The 1st year attendance exposes the lie that Clemson fans
Mar 21, 2017, 10:04 AM
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those are excuses - not logical reasoning
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Re: The 1st year attendance exposes the lie that Clemson fans
Mar 21, 2017, 10:05 AM
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I agree Clemson will support a WINNER.
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Re: The 1st year attendance exposes the lie that Clemson fans
Mar 21, 2017, 10:17 AM
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i meant that brownell apologists use those excuses and don't use logical reasoning. sorry - earlier post did not come out right. i totally agree with you.
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Chuckie...the attendance figures are total BS anyway....
Mar 21, 2017, 10:24 AM
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They're based on tickets sold rather than actual people in seats.
Starting with the Cliff Ellis era until now, I can count on one hand the number of home basketball games that I have missed. There have been many times over than span when the announced attendance was upwards of 8,800 while the actual attendance was closer to 5,000 or less.
Take it from someone who has been there and witnessed it first hand, if anyone is attempting to argue that the attendance has not steadily declined under Brad Brownell, particularly during the latter half of this season, they're lying to themselves.
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Re: Chuckie...the attendance figures are total BS anyway....
Mar 21, 2017, 10:26 AM
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Yea that isnt the argument I was ever making.
I know attendance sucks right now because Clemson fans only support winners in Basketball... We have not been one of those in years.
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says nat***
Mar 21, 2017, 10:01 AM
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If you're going to keep using that
Mar 21, 2017, 10:04 AM
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Can you atleast explain the meaning? I have no clue what you're talking about and its starting to come off as trolling
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Re: If you're going to keep using that
Mar 21, 2017, 10:07 AM
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sure you don't
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Re: Your 1st mistake was associating CA07 with logic...
Mar 21, 2017, 10:04 AM
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Good retort sorry you are not able to understand the simple logic that getting back up to 9400 average attendance is not possible with a new MAX of 9000.
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Never claimed that
Mar 21, 2017, 10:08 AM
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In fact I said the New LJ accounts? for 400+ of the 2000 BB has lost. Wow you suck at this..... And math.
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Re: Never claimed that
Mar 21, 2017, 10:09 AM
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Sorry you can not grasp that the 20% number that is being thrown around by the OP is a bull #### stat.
Then again NAT gonna NAT there is a reason why you couldn't get into Clemson.
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Sorry but I've not ONCE quoted the 20% thing
Mar 21, 2017, 10:13 AM
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Keep bringing up false statements to try to prove yourself and your faulty logic right.... I see through it
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Re: Sorry but I've not ONCE quoted the 20% thing
Mar 21, 2017, 10:15 AM
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"that is being thrown around by the OP"
Are you the OP?
NAT gonna NAT
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Re: Brad's 1st year attendance - 9,465. This year - 7,541.
Mar 21, 2017, 8:48 AM
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I'd be curious as to the money brought in. May be less tickets but same amount of money.
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The Ken Hatfield of roundball.***
Mar 21, 2017, 8:49 AM
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Re: The Ken Hatfield of roundball.***
Mar 21, 2017, 8:59 AM
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One factor that had some negative effect on attendance was game time. I think Clemson played 3 of its ACC home games at Noon on Saturday and Sunday. The attendance is larger for later afternoon games due to the distance many Clemson fans must drive.
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Re: The Ken Hatfield of roundball.***
Mar 21, 2017, 9:03 AM
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Correction! There were 2 Noon home games. Sorry for the mistake.
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Re: The Ken Hatfield of roundball.***
Mar 21, 2017, 9:30 AM
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And 1 of those was the day of the championship parade when there were some 70000 fans in town
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LOL!
Mar 21, 2017, 9:36 AM
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I got a chuckle out of that.
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Re: Brad's 1st year attendance - 9,465 - T-Man
Mar 21, 2017, 9:03 AM
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Are you a season ticket holder? If not, you don't know what you are talking about. You are quoting numbers out of context. The new facility seats less than the old facility - so percentage wise how does attendance compare? The cost to buy a season ticket is much higher than Brad's 1st year. If you have been a season ticket holder you would know that. You are comparing apples to nuts.
As a season ticket holder in basketball and football for over 35 years, I am not happy with the results this year on the court. But, I am more unhappy with the new facility, the cost of tickets and the selling of Clemson sports to the highest bidder with little regard to the people who have supported the programs for years.
We loyal supporters pay more for worse and less seating to see empty seats for the rich. That may be why attendance is down?
Also, I think you way over estimate the revenue impact. If you are a season ticket holder you will know how much a ticket costs time $1000.
And, I was glad to see Purnell go. He left on his own accord. Clemson was never going to get any better under Purnell and never won a NCAA championship game under Purnell. A change was needed. It hasn't worked out with Brownell but I get tired of hearing about over-exaggerated claims with Purnell.
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What average price would you assume for tickets?
Mar 21, 2017, 9:20 AM
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Also, the 2015 numbers in the old Littlejohn are almost identical, though a bit higher. How do you explain that?
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Maybe go to the games more.***
Mar 21, 2017, 9:04 AM
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would be interesting to see the revenue figures
Mar 21, 2017, 11:11 AM
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as suggested above, i wouldn't be surprised if this season's home revenue is higher than 2015 with the higher prices and the $50 - $250 additional 'donation' per seat
season ticket sales for this past season were up... bet that won't happen for next season
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might need to throw in the expense figures as well***
Mar 21, 2017, 11:35 AM
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