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YOUR BALANCE
We just beat our rival in basketball by 14 points
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We just beat our rival in basketball by 14 points


Dec 18, 2021, 10:18 PM

and there are very few posts here about it.

Instead, the first page of posts is dominated by posts about one of our a football recruit’s high school games, our new football defensive coordinator, and college football bowl games.

Nothing wrong with football, but this is a classic example of how we don’t support basketball worth a crap at Clemson.

P.S. Please don’t tell me we are a boring team and that’s why people don’t care. We are easily a top 25-30 offense and shoot the three ball amazingly well. If you can’t get behind this team, you just don’t care about Clemson basketball.

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What would the score have been if our rival wasn't


Dec 18, 2021, 10:20 PM

missing 40% of their roster, including 3 starters, because of covid?

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Re: What would the score have been if our rival wasn't


Dec 18, 2021, 10:21 PM

Check your facts!They were missing one starter.

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I could be wrong. I looked at FGF to see what they were


Dec 18, 2021, 10:25 PM

saying about the game and I thought I saw someone there say they were missing 3 starters. I definitely don't know much about Uof7C basketball.

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Re: I could be wrong. I looked at FGF to see what they were


Dec 19, 2021, 4:13 AM

I think you know a lot about it , actually.

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DB23


Re: What would the score have been if our rival wasn't


Dec 18, 2021, 10:26 PM [ in reply to Re: What would the score have been if our rival wasn't ]



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Re: What would the score have been if our rival wasn't


Dec 19, 2021, 6:38 PM

That is correct.

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Re: What would the score have been if our rival wasn't


Dec 18, 2021, 10:33 PM [ in reply to Re: What would the score have been if our rival wasn't ]

Uhhh…..3 starters (Leveque, Reese, Wilson) missing and two other key pieces. All three good big men. But 1 sounds better I guess

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Why not run from Clemson like you did last year ?


Dec 18, 2021, 10:54 PM

You deserve Martin.

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Re: What would the score have been if our rival wasn't


Dec 19, 2021, 4:15 AM [ in reply to Re: What would the score have been if our rival wasn't ]

They all got to watch the beating though...so that's a real plus.

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Dec 19, 2021, 6:06 AM [ in reply to Re: What would the score have been if our rival wasn't ]

JCgamecock said:

Uhhh…..3 starters (Leveque, Reese, Wilson) missing and two other key pieces. All three good big men. But 1 sounds better I guess




you tell em coot! yall may not be any good at mens sports but this whole losing to clemson thing.. you are pretty good at that!

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Re: What would the score have been if our rival wasn't


Dec 19, 2021, 10:07 AM [ in reply to Re: What would the score have been if our rival wasn't ]

Not your opponent’s problem. You play with what you got. USUCK would have enjoyed the win if situation reversed.

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And how many from the Clemson 2 deep in foitball


Dec 19, 2021, 3:03 PM [ in reply to Re: What would the score have been if our rival wasn't ]

Didnt play in SC game. A lot! Still 30-0.

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Dec 19, 2021, 6:37 PM [ in reply to Re: What would the score have been if our rival wasn't ]

30-0 do you remember that and 7 consecutive losses to the CLEMSON TIGERS!??????????????????????????????????????????

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Dec 19, 2021, 6:19 AM [ in reply to Re: What would the score have been if our rival wasn't ]

I read 3 of their top 6 scorers didn't play due to COVID-19. But a win is a win. ISU won't be playing with their All-American running back in the bowl game. Tough break but someone will win that game. Hopefully, Clemson...

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It's always good to beat the coots but that one game isn't


Dec 18, 2021, 10:23 PM [ in reply to What would the score have been if our rival wasn't ]

a good indicator of where Clemson basketball is in 2021 under CBB.

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Tell 'em u7c coot, no one knows losing better than you


Dec 18, 2021, 10:33 PM

70-56

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Who are you trying to impress? You aren't even getting TUs***


Dec 18, 2021, 10:36 PM



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Tell 'em u7c coot, no one knows losing better than you


Dec 18, 2021, 10:53 PM

30-0

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Yes, I also enjoyed that shutout in CBV's last game as DC***


Dec 18, 2021, 10:55 PM



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Ha ha, cheddar-nuts, Clemson owns you


Dec 19, 2021, 11:29 AM [ in reply to Who are you trying to impress? You aren't even getting TUs*** ]

in every sport. Monty will whip that ### soon too!

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Re: Ha ha, cheddar-nuts, Clemson owns you


Dec 19, 2021, 3:12 PM

*Monte

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Appreciate the assist,


Dec 19, 2021, 6:32 PM

Gloria.

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I believe their football team was missing a lot of key players


Dec 18, 2021, 10:26 PM [ in reply to What would the score have been if our rival wasn't ]

when we beat them this year, but I still saw a lot of posts here about that game. In fact, there are more posts on the front page today about our football game against them several weeks ago than there are about our basketball game against them tonight. You can’t make this stuff up!

Just admit it, most of our fans don’t care about basketball and many here go to great lengths to disparage our team.

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Re: I believe their football team was missing a lot of key players


Dec 19, 2021, 8:19 AM

I think they were done with BB when we kept coach BB.

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Re: I believe their football team was missing a lot of key players


Dec 19, 2021, 8:56 AM [ in reply to I believe their football team was missing a lot of key players ]

General support has been lost due to past performance but all tigers enjoy our BB wins especially over the gamecocks. You don’t lose support over night and you don’t gain support over night. We were picked to finish 10th in the conference. That is hard to initially get excited about. We lost in the first round of ACC and NCAA tournaments last year. If this team starts winning on a consistent basis Littlejohn will fill up and more excitement will return. Go up and defeat a poor VA team on their floor that has a losing record and yes some excitement will start building. Hoping for a win at VA to even our conference record. We usually do not play well on the road and I blame Brad for that. Let’s see.

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Re: I believe their football team was missing a lot of key players


Dec 19, 2021, 12:16 PM

They still have a,winning record and are better than Miami. They play decent at home since the opening Navy and Iowa loses so I'll believe it when I see it. If we are going to beat them it is probably at home.

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Re: I believe their football team was missing a lot of key players


Dec 19, 2021, 9:30 AM [ in reply to I believe their football team was missing a lot of key players ]

I don’t think it’s that deep, or a personal attack on you like it seems like you feel (or the basketball team). I think a big part of it is way the news covers it, I recently moved from SC to Kentucky and they spend a good 5 minutes every broadcast to I open the local news on any and everything UK basketball related, they even celebrated OSU beating Duke because they love hoop so much and hate their rivals, even claimed it as a win for the area since the coach is from Lexington. In Charleston no news station spends more than 1 minute updating whatever a score is or the happening with the basketball team… I have no point of reference for the rest of the state but when I visit Clemson it’s about the same, not much time dedicated to it. So this is a lot deeper than the fans, and I guess you could say ratings drove stories and coverage but here in Kentucky they are all in all the time even during football season. I guess my point would be, people who love hoop and Clemson love it regardless but generating excitement for a team that has struggled for 12 years is tough on a macro level, if we want more support we need more coverage, hype and stories… and for Tigernet forums that could be generated by the writers writing more stories about the team, players, recruits but it’s an after thought, we are lucky to get a game summary.

I loved watching the game last night, go Tigers, it’s a fun team… just my thoughts ??

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Just some facts to prove the point


Dec 19, 2021, 9:38 AM

On the tigernet mobile page right now, 2 of the 47 last posted articles are basketball, the rest football, football recruiting and high school football. If you are upset with anyone, I would be with the tiger net staff JK, their forums are driven by what they cover and in 10 games into basketball season, they just don’t care to cover it at all, even when football had a down year… Football is king on Tigernet, that’s not right or wrong, I love both, but it’s a fact. So I would spend less time on the fans and more time focusing on the coverage, most of us don’t have the bandwidth to really dig and seek that coverage we just consume what we are fed.

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I agree that a lot of it stems from regional tendencies when it comes to sports.


Dec 19, 2021, 9:57 AM

News outlets are going to cover what they feel their viewers want to know about, so it’s no surprise to me that basketball doesn’t get much press. They know most people don’t care that much.

And that is exactly my point - not enough Clemson people care enough about basketball for it to be a priority here. But paradoxically, they still care enough to complain about every little thing - if TNet message boards are any indication.

I’m not mad at anyone. I just wish people would support the team. Stop devoting so much energy complaining about the team, and stop looking for excuses not to get behind them. This whole notion that Clemson will support basketball if we played better is silly. We are plenty good enough to have better fan support, if people cared enough to begin with.

At the end of the day, they still wear Clemson on their uniforms.

Thanks for your post.

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Re: I agree that a lot of it stems from regional tendencies when it comes to sports.


Dec 19, 2021, 10:02 AM

Agreed, UNC has as many loses as us and I would assume that doesn’t change the passion or coverage of the team in their area. I don’t know the solution, it’s a chicken before the egg scenario seems like, more coverage more exposure more support, more support more exposure more coverage. The Tigernet staff could help for this specific site by more basketball coverage if it’s something important to them, but I guess it’s all about clicks and they know what they need or want to drive traffic. Maybe we need a poster to start writing about the team, recruiting, etc like Clemson Paw did for a brief time. Again, don’t know the solution but sort of know the problem.

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Go look at Alabama basketball?


Dec 19, 2021, 3:44 PM [ in reply to I agree that a lot of it stems from regional tendencies when it comes to sports. ]

Check out the environment in their games at home. They are averaging 10k attendance in a 12k arena. This was vs Houston last week. Sold out and great environment Do they win in football as much as us? Hey yeah. They can do it, we can...


https://twitter.com/UA_Athletics/status/1469905163922153472?s=20

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Re: Go look at Alabama basketball?


Dec 19, 2021, 4:09 PM

I agree it is 100% possible to be successful at Clemson the way things currently are, my point was more responding to JKs questions and concerns about a lack of interest or support, my points had nothing to do with the ability to have a good program.

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Re: I believe their football team was missing a lot of key players


Dec 19, 2021, 12:23 PM [ in reply to I believe their football team was missing a lot of key players ]

Come on man stop acting like Football and basketball are on equal footing. Even if we were National contenders in basketball, football is still king and 99% of this board would choose a NC in football over basketball every day.

Also this is not a good team and we beat a SC team missing 3 starter. Haha comparing the bball team missing three starters to their football team missing a few players is not even close. 85 scholarship players to what 15? Don’t make me laugh.

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Re: I believe their football team was missing a lot of key players


Dec 19, 2021, 2:20 PM

Not to mention I’d be willing to bet we were missing more players against them in football than what their football team was missing.

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Who is acting like football and basketball are on equal footing.


Dec 19, 2021, 4:13 PM [ in reply to Re: I believe their football team was missing a lot of key players ]

Everyone here is aware that football is king at Clemson.

It’s like the joke about vegans and CrossFitters. How do you know that someone is a vegan or a CrossFitter? They tell you immediately and won’t stop talking about it.

The same is true about Clemson football fans. We know. Everyone knows.

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Re: I believe their football team was missing a lot of key players


Dec 19, 2021, 2:50 PM [ in reply to I believe their football team was missing a lot of key players ]

This one post belies all of your total bs about our basketball program.

“Most” of our fans don’t care about basketball - an undefinable non-fact that is so ambiguous and absurd it can’t be quantified therefore can’t be taken seriously.

“Many here” further ambiguous meaningless bs. Certainly plenty on here bash our team just as you have done to our football team, fans, and athletes relentlessly.

All of this is pure tripe meant to imbue yourself a sense of superiority.

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Re: I believe their football team was missing a lot of key players


Dec 19, 2021, 2:54 PM

Yep. Another day, same routine.

And this is what this OP does with their time and energy after a win. Pathetic.

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Re: I believe their football team was missing a lot of key players


Dec 19, 2021, 4:32 PM [ in reply to I believe their football team was missing a lot of key players ]

So was our team and we still spanked them.

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Don’t know what the score would have been


Dec 18, 2021, 10:42 PM [ in reply to What would the score have been if our rival wasn't ]

But imagine we would have been favored since we are about 30 spots ahead them in the NET ratings and at home.

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Why should that be an excuse not to be happy about our win


Dec 18, 2021, 10:52 PM

and want to talk about it?

We beat our rival by double digits. This is supposed to be fun!

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Re: What would the score have been if our rival wasn't


Dec 19, 2021, 1:17 AM [ in reply to What would the score have been if our rival wasn't ]

i have never given a thumbs down on this board. Not that i can ever remember. But that is not true and does nothing but belittle our team players and their performance. Sorry. Please dont take a vendetta against me.

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Re: What would the score have been if our rival wasn't


Dec 19, 2021, 3:07 AM [ in reply to What would the score have been if our rival wasn't ]

Instead of simply celebrating, look at what you’re doing.

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I did celebrate.


Dec 19, 2021, 10:34 AM

If you’ll notice, I didn’t post here until well after the game was over. I was enjoying the game and the win.

When I dis log on, I went to the basketball posts and liked a bunch of them and commented on some. I was surprised (even though I shouldn’t have been) by the lack of posts about our win.

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Re: We just beat our rival in basketball by 14 points


Dec 18, 2021, 10:23 PM

Great win!!! Awesome … don’t even care what the circumstances were just thankful for the win!!! Congrats and Go Tigers!!! Keep up the great work sir!!!

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Dec 18, 2021, 10:26 PM

what the eff is wrong with you people."

Go Tigers.

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I see a pretty decent amount of basketball posts


Dec 18, 2021, 10:26 PM

But you wouldn’t know because you aren’t on here during games. Pre-occupied.

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Re: We just beat our rival in basketball by 14 points


Dec 18, 2021, 10:26 PM

I really just don’t think people care anymore, you’re not wrong. In my experience, some of our OP teams were more competitive and exciting, had crowds that some insiders ranked the toughest in the country to play against.

An exciting offensive scheme with high pressure were also things people came to see. BB has done nothing to make people come out, and though I support him it’s just true. People didn’t stop caring for no reason.

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Re: We just beat our rival in basketball by 14 points


Dec 18, 2021, 10:28 PM



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Yes, there are certainly reasons why people seemingly care little about basketball.


Dec 18, 2021, 10:32 PM [ in reply to Re: We just beat our rival in basketball by 14 points ]

Such as:

1. Clemson football’s success (which we didn’t have when Barnes and Purnell teams were well supported - our football was atrocious to mediocre then)

2. More distractions today (more things to watch and do).

3. People are more discerning today about how they spend their time and money, especially during the pandemic.

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Re: Yes, there are certainly reasons why people seemingly care little about basketball.


Dec 18, 2021, 10:35 PM

If you say so. You’re more inside than I am with the program. Just one fan’s thoughts.

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We have never been “atrocious” in football.


Dec 18, 2021, 10:37 PM [ in reply to Yes, there are certainly reasons why people seemingly care little about basketball. ]

Outside of the 1998 season in recent decades. Basketball has been Poor far more often

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Re: We have never been “atrocious” in football.


Dec 18, 2021, 10:40 PM

Besides 98, we haven’t missed a bowl game in A long time (minus the 04 fight suspension) not sure where that atrocious comment came from

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Atrocious to mediocre is fair when we are talking about mid-90s to ‘00s.


Dec 18, 2021, 11:19 PM [ in reply to We have never been “atrocious” in football. ]

During the Rick Barnes era, from 94-98, our football record was 30-28. Our basketball team was 74-48.

During the Oliver Purnell era, from 2003-2010, our football record was 62-40. Our basketball team was 138-90.

The point is that football, though still clearly the most popular sport at Clemson during those eras, was not good during most of those years and was pretty bad at times.

I don’t think it’s an accident that the eagerness to support basketball then was much higher. Obviously basketball having some good years then had something to do with fan enthusiasm as well, coupled with the fact that people’s expectations and standards for entertainment were lower then.

Now, people are more ADD than ever when it comes to entertainment and are much quicker to “change the channel” when something doesn’t excite them.

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I think you answered your own question about BB


Dec 19, 2021, 11:10 AM

The combined record of our “atrocious” years in football you mention is 92-68 for a 57.5 winning percentage.

BB in his time here is 209-154 for a whopping 57.6 winning percentage.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/coaches/brad-brownell-1.html

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We only had a season or two where we were atrocious in football.


Dec 19, 2021, 4:11 PM

Most of those years we were mediocre.

I didn’t call all of those seasons atrocious.

If you had read more closely I wouldn’t have had to explain it to you.

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Re: Yes, there are certainly reasons why people seemingly care little about basketball.


Dec 18, 2021, 11:15 PM [ in reply to Yes, there are certainly reasons why people seemingly care little about basketball. ]

So Coach Brownell and his program bear no responsibility for the loss of fan interest in Clemson men's basketball?

Such as:

1. Rarely making the NCAA basketball tournament.

2. Propensity for late game collapses.

3. Long periods of scoring droughts with no seeming ability to combat the issue.

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I’ve never claimed that the team shouldn’t be expected to put a


Dec 18, 2021, 11:24 PM

competitive team on the court.

If you look at Brad’s teams, we are extremely competitive.

We have been in 2 of the last 3 NCAA Tournaments. One of those seasons was one of the best in program history. Last year we finished in the top five of the ACC and were a top 30 seed in the NCAAs. This year, we have the best offense in the Brownell era.

Unfortunately, some of our fans still ask for more before they will support the team. It’s illogical for anyone who claims to be a basketball fan to not find these teams the last few years exciting and worth supporting.

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Re: We just beat our rival in basketball by 14 points


Dec 18, 2021, 10:32 PM

If you build it they will come

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Judge, I'd have respect for you if you


Dec 18, 2021, 10:35 PM

voiced your opinion after our losses.
Yet you wait till we string a couple wins together to make your presence known.

You are cowardly.

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Well, there are plenty of posts here when we lose.


Dec 18, 2021, 11:30 PM

It seems that many people here enjoy complaining and criticizing a loss more than they enjoy celebrating a win.

Thus the point of my post.

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Re: Well, there are plenty of posts here when we lose.


Dec 19, 2021, 8:05 AM

I did enjoy the win over the coots.

The Good: Great rebounding and Clemson needs to find a way for Hemenway to get more looks, the kid can shoot. PJ Hall is going to be a monster. Tyson had a great game.

The Bad: reminded me of past CBB teams when Clemson went up by 25 and then let the coots back in the game. Very poor 3 point shooting tonight (something CU has done very well this year).

What is the deal with Frank Martin? no hair at all not even eyebrows.....

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COVID beat them by more than we did....***


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We’re 92nd in scoring offense against the 84th ranked SOS


Dec 18, 2021, 10:39 PM

So that’s one assertion that is demonstrably untrue and it isn’t even close.

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Re: We’re 92nd in scoring offense against the 84th ranked SOS


Dec 18, 2021, 10:46 PM

Yes they were down 5 players, but in BB as long as you have 7 you can win. The Bucks were missing 7 the other night including Yannis & still won. We were missing 23 in FB but still won 30-0. Great win go Tigers

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Re: We just beat our rival in basketball by 14 points


Dec 18, 2021, 10:43 PM

I really like this team. A good mix of young and seasoned players. Brownell hit a home run with Collins and Bohannan, they play well together. Honor and Dawes can be deadly inside or out. PJ and Tyson compliment each other well. PJ is going to be awesome! He and Tyson are a force together.

Why wouldn’t you be excited for this team?

Go Tigers!

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Dec 18, 2021, 10:48 PM

Some folks are obsessed with basketball. Not me.

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Dec 18, 2021, 11:22 PM

glad for the win. Wish we'd have beaten them by more. They will whine about players out, etc. At least they didnt duckthe game like they did last year

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Dec 18, 2021, 11:30 PM

Because half their team was out and we barely beat them at home?

Idiot.

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Since when is winning by 14 points barely beating someone?


Dec 18, 2021, 11:34 PM

And you are calling me an idiot?!? LOL!

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Dec 19, 2021, 1:28 AM [ in reply to Re: We just beat our rival in basketball by 14 points ]

College basketball as a whole isn't nearly as popular anymore

The sport sucks

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Dec 19, 2021, 12:03 PM

I guarantee you if we were as good as Tennessee, Auburn and Bama which are big football schools in basketball we would be filling LJ up. Again, Pearl is a cheater but the winning brings fans so they get support.

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Every school will support a major sport when they are really good.


Dec 19, 2021, 4:17 PM

That’s not something to write home about.

How many schools support basketball when it’s just good, or even average? When it’s competitive and improving but not quite over the hump yet? When the team really needs support and a home court advantage? That’s the mark of a fan base that’s passionate about basketball.

Some here have compared our basketball program to the Coots’ football program. The difference is that their fans support football really well, regardless of the season or the coach. That isn’t true for Clemson basketball.

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Dec 18, 2021, 11:36 PM

So wait, you are on a football board, complaining that people are not talking about a 14 point win over a covid depleted team in another sport? I think there is a basketball room for that, but what do I know?


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Dec 19, 2021, 12:10 AM

Btw, to your specific points:
1) Cade is a winner and people ARE excited about him.
2) Most don't care about Men's BB. Last player I really recall of significance was Horace Grant.
3) Making the field of 64/65 every year for one game and ACC tournament woodshedding dosnt really move the meter to bring in new fans either

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Exactly, because most Clemson people don’t care about basketball.


Dec 19, 2021, 10:38 AM

They never really have.

Expectations should fall in line with that, not all the moaning here that we aren’t a top 25 team every year and making Final Fours.

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Dec 19, 2021, 12:01 AM



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It’s no longer Northwest Purple, it’s Regalia.


Dec 19, 2021, 10:44 AM

HTH with your TNet handle.

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Very little that you have said over the past few seasons


Dec 19, 2021, 11:34 AM

has helped.

But you’ve become a master troll, I’ll give you that.

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Dec 19, 2021, 12:09 AM

I was unable to watch the game. Glad they beat UofSC.

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Thank you for your support!


Dec 19, 2021, 10:45 AM

Go Tigers!

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Always happy with a Clemson win in any sport.


Dec 19, 2021, 3:29 AM

But you are whining about Basketball on the Foolsball bored my friend.

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My post was about football so it was appropriately placed.


Dec 19, 2021, 10:46 AM

Plus, I stand a greater chance of reaching the football only fans that way.

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Dec 19, 2021, 4:12 AM

Pimp It , Holmes !!!

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Re: We just beat our rival in basketball by 14 points


Dec 19, 2021, 5:53 AM

Honestly quit watching college and pro bball back a few years ago. Not the same game as it used to be. When I realized Clemson would never get a fair game in UNC and in Duke just lost interest. Calipari and others just recruit 5 McDonald All Americans that will play one season and go pro. Hard to keep up with. Pro game you can palm the ball and they call it a great crossover and they get at least 3 steps to the basket. It’s just bad overall for me. I’m from the south and I will turn on a hockey game before I watch a bball game. Honestly and I’m telling the truth I could not tell you the last bball game I have watched. Sad I used to play a little in school and would never miss a Bulls game. Maybe it’s my age I don’t know.

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Dec 19, 2021, 6:32 AM

I was not able to attend the event basketball game but was able to watch on tv. If Comcast had not flipped the ACCN switch on Friday, I would have had to listen on the radio. A great win for Clemson.

Folks on here on the football board, myself included, are also excited for Cade and his state title win last night. He is going to do great things under center at Clemson.

As far as the chickens playing without starters, let me say this. If they had beaten an injury riddled Clemson football team last month, there would have been no asterisk by the win. They would have been crowing from the top of their beaks. I am certainly not going to give them a pass.

Yesterday was a great day to be a Clemson fan. Go Tigers!

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Annnnd you post this on the football forum...


Dec 19, 2021, 6:41 AM

Oh the irony!!!!

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My post heavily mentioned football.


Dec 19, 2021, 10:48 AM

I purposely put it on the football board.

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My thoughts on your post.


Dec 19, 2021, 6:44 AM

Well, you probably won’t appreciate this response to your post, but IMO is what has happened.
I believe there was strong support for Clemson basketball when CBB came to Clemson. No, we were not Indiana, UNC, Kentucky, etc, but we did enjoy the games and excited to see games due to the style and level of play from Purcell. The ACC was strong then.
During the past 10 years, the oxygen has been sucked out of the room, much like a balloon losing its air, it did not pop, but slowly lost air year by year. At that same time, the ACC has dramatically dropped in top to bottom strength and this year may be the worst on record.
You are a huge basketball supporter, ok, I get it and good for you. Most of us are Clemson supporters, but have become numb to both the wins and losses.
This past year, your posts have blamed multiple things for the apathy, from stadium, to pay, and then you have posted multiple negative things regarding football and like today’s post try and compare the two.
Clemson wins 3 in a row, nice, against inferior or Covid teams - and you seem to think that fans should be going crazy and after 10+ years, the air in the balloon should magically reinflate. It does not work that way. First, the fans have seen more of the same this year, even with more talent. Then, we get your post criticizing and saying BB over achieves. I believe many don’t believe that when the ACC has gone south, and we stay the same, that we somehow have moved forward. I think they backed up, badly.
I can only speak to my own thoughts, but I believe you are missing the toll that the past 10 years have taken on the fans. It is not a light switch that can simply by flipped. It will take time - improved play against teams equal to Clemson, it will take the ACC to get much better - before the balloon starts to refill.
JMO anyway.

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Re: My thoughts on your post.


Dec 19, 2021, 6:52 AM

clemzn1981 said:

Well, you probably won’t appreciate this response to your post, but IMO is what has happened.
I believe there was strong support for Clemson basketball when CBB came to Clemson. No, we were not Indiana, UNC, Kentucky, etc, but we did enjoy the games and excited to see games due to the style and level of play from Purcell. The ACC was strong then.
During the past 10 years, the oxygen has been sucked out of the room, much like a balloon losing its air, it did not pop, but slowly lost air year by year. At that same time, the ACC has dramatically dropped in top to bottom strength and this year may be the worst on record.
You are a huge basketball supporter, ok, I get it and good for you. Most of us are Clemson supporters, but have become numb to both the wins and losses.
This past year, your posts have blamed multiple things for the apathy, from stadium, to pay, and then you have posted multiple negative things regarding football and like today’s post try and compare the two.
Clemson wins 3 in a row, nice, against inferior or Covid teams - and you seem to think that fans should be going crazy and after 10+ years, the air in the balloon should magically reinflate. It does not work that way. First, the fans have seen more of the same this year, even with more talent. Then, we get your post criticizing and saying BB over achieves. I believe many don’t believe that when the ACC has gone south, and we stay the same, that we somehow have moved forward. I think they backed up, badly.
I can only speak to my own thoughts, but I believe you are missing the toll that the past 10 years have taken on the fans. It is not a light switch that can simply by flipped. It will take time - improved play against teams equal to Clemson, it will take the ACC to get much better - before the balloon starts to refill.
JMO anyway.


Well said!

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Here is the correct answer


Dec 19, 2021, 8:00 AM [ in reply to My thoughts on your post. ]

Well spoken

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Very well said…


Dec 19, 2021, 10:21 AM [ in reply to My thoughts on your post. ]

I know Judge loves his basketball, but come on. Shooting 32% doesn’t make a top 25-30 offense. I admit I will check the scores to see how we did because it’s Clemson, but I lost interest in this team the 3rd or 4th time they blew a double digit halftime lead and lost. It’s a new season but the same ol’ narrative.

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I don’t expect our fans to do cartwheels every time we win.


Dec 19, 2021, 4:26 PM [ in reply to My thoughts on your post. ]

I would think that a dominant win over our rival would result in some excitement or at least pleasure though.

Instead, the few basketball posts I’ve seen have talked more about us “blowing a big lead” (which we didn’t) or “barely beating them” (which we also didn’t) than simply being pleased with a nice win.

Further, there have been more posts diminishing our win by saying that the Coots were missing key players than there have been congratulating our players for doing what was necessary to win.

If people want to suspend judgment because of past frustrations with our team, or apathy over what they perceive as a stagnant decade, that’s fine. But why can’t they do that while still supporting the team and enjoying the win? Those concerns are still no excuse for not supporting the team you claim to care about.

Which is why I have concluded that many of our fans either don’t care about basketball or even enjoy criticizing it. The proof is in the pudding. If we want to be better, then doing our part to support the team has to be part of it.

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Dec 19, 2021, 7:45 AM

Hmm… thought it was the football board? Though a good win, they had quite a few out due to Covid right?

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A win over our rivals in any sport should be celebrated.


Dec 19, 2021, 10:54 AM

For that matter, shouldn’t all wins be celebrated?

Why the constant harping here on the other team and who played or who didn’t?

Nobody is saying that this was a season-defining win over a top team. But it was still a good win.

What’s so hard about that?

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Dec 19, 2021, 8:21 AM

Just because some of us like football better that basketball doesn't mean we don't pull for the basketball team also. I also pull for women's softball.

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I agree, and you aren’t the type of fan I’m referring to at all.


Dec 19, 2021, 10:50 AM

I don’t have any delusion that most of our fans will ever care as much about basketball as they do football. I’ve accepted that and am fine with it.

But I don’t see why basketball still can’t be a very important second priority. And I really don’t understand why some of our fans seem to go out of their way to undermine the basketball program.

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Dec 19, 2021, 8:28 AM

Well technically they were down five key players or half the bench. This is a great win but at the same time, you don’t flaunt it in the other teams face when they are at 50% capacity. Your passion is obvious but I don’t think this is the example that we should rally around.

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So we can only get excited about a win under certain circumstances?


Dec 19, 2021, 10:51 AM

In that case, we shouldn’t have gotten excited about most of our football wins this year because they were over significantly overmatched teams from a talent standpoint.

But people were still happy for the win and celebrating it. As they should, because as Dabo said, the fun is in the winning.

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Dec 19, 2021, 8:34 AM

I support everything Clemson - just more passionate about football that most other things. I understand your frustration Judge. Must be like being a football fan at Duke.

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I hear we won a Natty in


Dec 19, 2021, 9:00 AM

soccer.

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Dec 19, 2021, 9:12 AM

Keller, It would be a lot easier to get excited about the basketball team if they hadn't already p!ssed away 3 games.

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Re: We just beat our rival in basketball by 14 points


Dec 19, 2021, 9:23 AM

I admit it... Football is a much better sport to watch than basketball or soccer. Don't get me wrong, I love Clemson and want them to win everything. Me posting about basketball during the game on here isn't going to make us any better or worse. If given a choice I'd watch Australian rules football before watching basketball. GO CLEMSON TIGERS BASKETBALL ?? TEAM!

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Re: We just beat our rival in basketball by 14 points


Dec 19, 2021, 11:56 AM

The problem is that fans don’t believe that we are building something either this year or in the long term. Brad or whoever the next coach is needs to get people excited about the future to care about the present.

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Dec 19, 2021, 6:24 PM

lol - we are ALL attentive brainiac.

should we forget the past 11 seasons? was that the building block foundation?

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Re: We just beat our rival in basketball by 14 points


Dec 19, 2021, 9:46 AM

Late to the post, but love seeing a big b-ball win over the ##### regardless of who played or didn’t play. Think this team can put together a good season. Just taking a bit to gel with all the lineup changes vs last year.

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Dec 19, 2021, 10:39 AM

You are right Judge. Brownell has driven enthusiasm for basketball so low that people have stopped paying attention. Seems like a coaching change may be needed.

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Ahh so it’s Brownell’s fault that our fan support for basketball is crappy.


Dec 19, 2021, 10:57 AM

LOL okay, if that makes you feel better.

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You have got to be his wife


Dec 19, 2021, 4:46 PM

And I applaud you for standing so sturdy by your man. You don’t give in, don’t waiver and bless your heart you will not let him go down with the ship without you

Till death do you part!

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Dec 19, 2021, 10:57 AM [ in reply to Re: We just beat our rival in basketball by 14 points ]

Judge, just out of curiosity do you think we play as well as we did last night we will beat either Virginia or Duke up next?? Thought so...

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Dec 19, 2021, 11:16 AM

Probably not those two, but UNC maybe.

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Dec 19, 2021, 11:49 AM

Unc had a,bad game vs Kentucky and had been playing better. They are so much bigger than us it's unreal.

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Dec 19, 2021, 6:32 PM

Lol. There? We'll see...

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Dec 19, 2021, 11:21 AM

We should have won by 30 seeing how they were missing almost half their team. However don't really care about basketball,but do care about stomping our rivals always.

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"We are easily a top 25-30 offense"


Dec 19, 2021, 11:49 AM

LOL, we're 101st in Scoring Per Game.

Oh the lengths you'll go to attempt to disparage our fan base and be passive aggressive against our Football program.

I absolutely love that your schtick is now getting the negative response that it deserves. You're nothing more than a troll at this point.

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Dec 19, 2021, 12:42 PM

Not really seeing your point, here.

I used to love watching Clemson basketball, and now it’s just not that exciting.

What do you want me to do? Pretend like it’s fun to watch now?

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Dec 19, 2021, 12:43 PM

people be moaning and complaining that we didn’t win by 28?

Because that’s the kind of treatment our football program gets.

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Dec 19, 2021, 12:56 PM

We played a good game. Really awesome to see so many shooters on a Clemson team at the same time. We have a lot to look forward in conference play - our biggest tests lie ahead. If Naz can become a dependable factor we should be a very tough out.

Go Tigers! Beat the Hoos!

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Dec 19, 2021, 2:26 PM

And years. Tyson has gotten better every year, Hall is much better than last year. The little guards were off shooting today, however they handled the ball well and played good d. Chase Hunter is better than last years. Hemingway is better than last year. And overall, they appear to be improving game by game.

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Dec 19, 2021, 3:06 PM

I’m a Tiger. I follow CLEMSON. Everything Clemson related. Football is my favorite sport. I love Clemson regardless of wins and losses,regardless of the athletic event or anything else Clemson. “There’s something special in “them hills “

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Dec 19, 2021, 3:07 PM

I’m a Tiger. I follow CLEMSON. Everything Clemson related. Football is my favorite sport. I love Clemson regardless of wins and losses,regardless of the athletic event or anything else Clemson. “There’s something special in “them hills “

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Dec 19, 2021, 3:58 PM

I agree with you Judge Keller. True fans support their school and their teams during the good times and the bad times as well.

Go Tiger Basketball ??????

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Dec 19, 2021, 4:17 PM

I thought it was a great win! I know they had some players out, but you have to look at how we played as well. You have to look at more than the opponent.

I thought we played very well and i like that we look better each week. Its a shame the next home game is dook, i hope we don't lose momentum if we lose that game.

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Dec 19, 2021, 6:31 PM

could not watch.

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Re: We just beat our rival in basketball by 14 points


Dec 19, 2021, 9:33 PM

Why don’t you just come out and admit you are Brad Brownell?

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Re: We just beat our rival in basketball by 14 points


Dec 19, 2021, 9:41 PM

I think Brownell runs a clean program but if this team isn't ahead by double digits by the 8:00 mark in the 2nd half, they find ways to lose. That is the most frustrating part about Brownell. The guy's record in games decided by 6 points or less is terrible and unfortunately in league play, most games end up in this category. The program under him will always be clean but also always have a ceiling that isn't that high unfortunately.....

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