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Our D is going from 2/3 star players to 4/5 star players
Jan 14, 2016, 8:38 AM
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And you guys think we will have a drop off?? Our D will be twice as talented as last year and this year. I loved those guys but if our coaches can do what we did with 2 and 3 stars just imagine now!!
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The difference is experience and knowledge of the scheme.
Jan 14, 2016, 8:45 AM
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We should be good once they pick it up. But judging the effort we had out of some in the secondary over the second half of the season, it should be an improvement.
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Re: Our D is going from 2/3 star players to 4/5 star players
Jan 14, 2016, 8:46 AM
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The drop off worries for me are due to lack of experience not necessarily lack of talent.
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I ask you. How many stars is equivalent to 1-2 years of experience?***
Jan 14, 2016, 8:49 AM
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Re: I ask you. How many stars is equivalent to 1-2 years of experience?***
Jan 14, 2016, 8:52 AM
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Talent doesn't always beat experience and experience doesn't always beat talent. For example, does anybody honestly think their would be any drop off from Goodson to Shaq Smith if he started? I sure don't. I actually think it'd be an improvement because Shaq is faster and can cover like a safety.
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Re: I ask you. How many stars is equivalent to 1-2 years of experience?***
Jan 14, 2016, 8:55 AM
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I think there will be a drop off to shaq...Goodson was incredibly good this year.
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Re: I ask you. How many stars is equivalent to 1-2 years of experience?***
Jan 14, 2016, 9:02 AM
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i'll take young talent over experience every time. experience WILL be gained.. talent is there or it's not. period.
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Re: I ask you. How many stars is equivalent to 1-2 years of experience?***
Jan 14, 2016, 9:04 AM
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Yessir and we have plenty of it. The experience is coming and some got it this year. I just don't see a drop off I believe we stay a top 10 D for sure.
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Re: yes, experience will be gained. . Through losses.
Jan 14, 2016, 9:20 AM
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So you don't think when that busted play happens that DW4 will march right back down the field to take the lead??
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HOw much time is on the clock?***
Jan 14, 2016, 9:38 AM
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that all depends on the position imo......
Jan 14, 2016, 9:01 AM
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on average there's a huge difference between a 2/3star WR and 4/5star WR (see sammy watkins freshman year)
on average there's a huge difference between a 2/3star QB and 4/5star QB (see last year)
I think 4/5star DEs and DTs can jump in and make a big impact when replacing a 2/3star DE or DT.............see Christian wilkins and Shaq lawson compared to who they replaced from last year
Cornerback is IMO a little more difficult, but the "ELITEs" can make the adjustment very quickly problem is right now we don't have a "christian wilkins" or a "shaq lawson" at the cornerback position (Mark fields being a possible exception)..........I also think you can pretty much throw an athlete back at safety and he can be successful. Biggest concern for me for next year is CB but even after losing what we're losing BV will still have us in the top 20 defensively.
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Re: I ask you. How many stars is equivalent to 1-2 years of experience?***
Jan 14, 2016, 9:02 AM
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Depending on the player but improving a 5 star as much as you improved a 3 star one would think the 5 star would end up better wouldn't you say. There is exceptions to everything in life. If you think the way you think why wouldn't we just recruit all 2 and 3 stars and not worry about 5 stars?
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Re: I ask you. How many stars is equivalent to 1-2 years of experience?***
Jan 14, 2016, 9:09 AM
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As does Austin Bryant and Richard Yeargin
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And Mr. Mitch Hyatt***
Jan 14, 2016, 9:21 AM
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Not that I discount Renfrow's performance...
Jan 14, 2016, 1:57 PM
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especially the postseason games. But that's like saying you don't have to go to college to be successful just like Bill Gates or Steve Jobs.
We'll always find exceptions that a walk-on can play like a superstar like Renfrow. A better example would be Carl Nassib of Penn State. No matter how much we praise our defensive ends. The national award for this position goes to that guy. He was a walk-on and was never a starter until this reason. But these are rare cases.
On the other hand, there are those 5 stars who can turn out to be a bust. An easy example is Mike Bellamy.
But I'm sure most schools would take any 5-star player over a walk-on. 
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Re: Our D is going from 2/3 star players to 4/5 star players
Jan 14, 2016, 9:11 AM
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Write this down. Our d will be a top 10-20 defense. Maybe better. Our offense just put up 40 pts and 550 TDS against " best front seven in the history of football." No team will stop our offense next year, period. I expect to be in Tampa.
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Re: Our D is going from 2/3 star players to 4/5 star players
Jan 14, 2016, 9:14 AM
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Yessir!!! It isn't going to be easy going on the road to Auburn FSU and GT but I see DW4 out scoring any team in the nation if he is called upon to do so. Our D will be strong but they just need a couple of stops a game and keep the big play away and we will be fine. I just don't see DW4 losing.
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And that's what will enable us to reload for ........
Jan 14, 2016, 9:22 AM
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next year. Used to be we'd get a few 4-stars but never any 5-stars but then CJ Spiller started the ball rolling and we've built on him.
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Who besides Green was a 2/3 star?
Jan 14, 2016, 9:25 AM
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All per Rivals:
Alexander - 4 star
Lawson - 4 star
Kearse - 4 star
Dodd - 4 star
Blanks - 4 star
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Yeah, I'm questioning this myself.
Jan 14, 2016, 9:31 AM
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Not sure if OP meant several years ago against nowadays.
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I don't think that's the point of the question.
Jan 14, 2016, 9:59 AM
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Both Goodson and Reader were rated 3 stars by Rivals.
That said, the OP makes it sound like we have 2/3-star across the board (or most) on defense and then will be replaced by 4/5-star across the board.
Look closely regarding the star levels, I think it's gonna be a slight upgrade overall, but a slight downgrade on the secondary. Regarding the secondary, it'll be a huge downgrade in term of experiences. I guess that's everybody's concern.
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Re: Who besides Green was a 2/3 star?
Jan 14, 2016, 10:07 AM
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Lawson was 3 star. Goodson as well. Dodd as well I dnt know where u get this from.
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Re: Who besides Green was a 2/3 star?
Jan 14, 2016, 10:11 AM
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Lawson as 4 I give you that one
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Lawson was 3 stars out of HS before prep on Scout.**
Jan 14, 2016, 10:17 AM
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Not true. Lawson 4 stars both out of HS and Prep.
Jan 14, 2016, 10:22 AM
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See my post above. Dodd was 3 stars out of HS and 4 stars out of Prep.
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Re: I just looked at it Lawson was 3 star out of HS. LINK below
Jan 14, 2016, 10:24 AM
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I said per Rivals. Check the rivals links I posted. He was 4 stars both out of HS and Prep per Rivals.
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Great, but he was a 3 star eleswhere and wasn't that..
Jan 14, 2016, 10:27 AM
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highly regarded out of HS. Martin Aiken was more highly thought of by recruiting sites generally speaking.
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Guess depends where you look. Either way, Lawson
Jan 14, 2016, 10:29 AM
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wasn't a consensus 4 star or above like type of players we land now.
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Re: Who besides Green was a 2/3 star?
Jan 14, 2016, 10:09 AM
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I just looked at rivals and clearly Dodd is 3 star lol. Your stupid.
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Re: Who besides Green was a 2/3 star?
Jan 14, 2016, 10:12 AM
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On our team page it does give Dodd 4 but on his it says 3
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Dodd 3 star on Scout, for what it's worth.**
Jan 14, 2016, 10:18 AM
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Before you call anyone stupid, make sure you know
Jan 14, 2016, 10:23 AM
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the difference between "your" and "you're" and know how to read the link I sent you which shows Dodd as a 4 star out of Prep School.
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After reading through this thread, I find it funny that...
Jan 14, 2016, 9:45 AM
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roughly about 10 years or so back when we didn't have this type of recruits, members on the message board sorta said that star levels by scouting sites were overrated. Our 2/3-star players back then were highly talented and as talented as any teams in the nation.
Now, we couldn't be more hungrier for those 4/5-star recruits.
I've always followed these sites and compared our recruits to those from other teams. So, I kinda have realistic expectation of a football season. I recall that, when I saw announcements by Stephone Anthony and Tony Steward, I felt the direction of the program was indeed on the rise and I told a lot of friends that a chance of Clemson for the national title wouldn't be for too long.
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Re: Our D is going from 2/3 star players to 4/5 star players
Jan 14, 2016, 9:55 AM
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Keep in mind that our O is going to put other teams in such a whole that they will be forced to pass. That's when we pin our ears back and rush opposing QBs into mistakes and turnovers. Our D will be top 15 this coming year. We have talent everywhere. We have gamers that we haven't even seen play yet. I am really excited and looking forward to this year coming up. I have been for a long time.
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Re: Our D is going from 2/3 star players to 4/5 star players
Jan 14, 2016, 10:27 AM
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You're putting too much faith in star rankings given by websites of hs kids.
Not saying Clemson will struggle next year, but your argument is just juvenile. "He was a four star so he'll be twice the player a two star was."
There is a reason TJ Green started and Geohaghan transferred to SC State.
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When your team recruits poorly stars don't matter.
Jan 14, 2016, 10:30 AM
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I feel your pain.
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Re: Our D is going from 2/3 star players to 4/5 star players
Jan 14, 2016, 10:37 AM
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Stars matter man!! Not always but the majority. I'm not saying a 5 star can't bust and a no star Renfrow can be great. I like that we have 4 and 5 stars instead of 2 3 and 4.
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Re: Our D is going from 2/3 star players to 4/5 star players
Jan 14, 2016, 10:40 AM
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Of course they matter.
But they're not as simple as you argue. Otherwise Alabama would have blown you out of the water Monday night and FSU would have beaten you earlier in the year.
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Re: Our D is going from 2/3 star players to 4/5 star players
Jan 14, 2016, 10:45 AM
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We have DW4 buddy. That changes everything. As well BV forms his 2 star recruits into NFL starters so imagine what he does with 5 star recruits. It's a mix of everything and Clemson is just getting started.
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I think most people would think of star rating...
Jan 14, 2016, 2:06 PM
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just like GPA of a college student. Those with good GPA tend to show good quality in them and may translate into success in life in general, but not always. On the other hand, it's not necessary that one has to go to college to be success. But in general, any parents would want their children to go to college and make good grades. This can be a direct analogy to 5-star players versus walk-ons.
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Re: Our D is going from 2/3 star players to 4/5 star players
Jan 14, 2016, 2:07 PM
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but.. but.. according to the coots stars don't mean anything!!!!
Haha... idiots.
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