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College sports post 2021 = Giant ClusterF* + Ugly Future
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College sports post 2021 = Giant ClusterF* + Ugly Future


Jun 2, 2021, 7:55 PM

Title IX Lawyers are licking their chops as the new NIL rules come into play. N. Dame is being sued just 2 days into football camps and recruiting opening back up. ND placed billboards around the school welcoming back the new football recruits. The lawyers suing because there isn't equal budget for other sports to present to recruits.

This is only the beginning! As schools create marketing opportunities for football players for NIL, these lawyers will be finding Title IX issues every step of the way. "THE Title IX Effect" is going to create more lawsuits in college in the upcoming years than we have ever seen. As Lawyers see income discrimination between different college sports, the "Equity" laws will be challenged at every angle.

The future is not bright for college sports as we once knew them. NIL is going to kill the Student Athlete atmosphere. The Transfer Portal is hurting all sports especially Basketball currently but that will only evolve in all the sports. Players being told they can earn more money at "X" school will constantly be looking for greener pasture $$$.

Then the new facts are showing that many schools and coaches are looking for immediate success through the transfer portal versus investing into High School kids. The days of 3star HS kids being catered is coming to an end. The way that HS recruits are hunted in their sophomore and junior yrs will decrease as coaches invest that time in proven players in the Portal instead of maybe's from HS.

I think we are seeing the writing on the wall. With Coach K retirement news today, with Roy Williams recently retiring, I think these old timers see the change and want out before they have to deal with chaos. You can see Kirby taking 2 top players out of the portal, that reduces the number of HS kids by 2 automatically. Schools like Ga may only have 20 HS recruits in 2021 or 2020 instead of typical 25 since the Portal has taken away from them.

I hate to see this as College football is far and away my favorite sport and I think that is coming to an end as we know it.

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Re: College sports post 2021 = Giant ClusterF* + Ugly Future


Jun 2, 2021, 9:44 PM

Lawyers !!

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I agree with you.


Jun 2, 2021, 10:02 PM

I’m already starting to follow other college sports I enjoy like soccer and lacrosse more closely, with the hope that they will hopefully remain more pure.

I’m tired of the greed and entitlement in the big professional sports (NFL, NBA, MLB, etc.) these days, and I see it creeping into college football and college basketball as well.

Don’t get me wrong, I love Clemson football and Clemson basketball and always will, but absolutely hate what these sports are becoming.

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Re: I agree with you.


Jun 2, 2021, 10:37 PM

With all respect, my father is turning in his grave, and I'm not far from joining him. "College" these days - from sports to "social wokeness" and academics - is a brave new world in which I am quickly considering myself an alien. At least I can still, and always will say,

Go Tigers!!!

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Jun 3, 2021, 9:40 PM [ in reply to I agree with you. ]

I think Softball might have the best chance to stay pure. Should have great following if remain competitive and I don't see a lot of NIL issues. The lawyers won't be suing against lower tier sports and especially not women when they use Title IX as equity law.

I watched quite a bit of soccer this spring with Clemson being ranked so highly but I just can't get into games that scores 1-0, 1-1, or penalty kicks win the game in OT. I try to like it because I love the 45min of play, 15min break and 45min of play. You dont have to watch 35min of commercials per 15min of play. But as far as remaining pure, I have yo wonder??? As a majority, probably so but the money the top guys are making is crazy. So if you have a Robby Robinson that goes #1 overall in the draft, don't you think there could be ridiculous money pushed his way from clothing, to professional teams, etc. So I see opportunities for huge discrepancies with the money that gets thrown around in that sport. The saving face is that this sport pales in the USA vs the fandom international. But what better way to build that US fandom than to give huge monetary opportunities to college kids that have huge alumni base??? So I have my doubts in soccer as well, may just be slower to catch on?? Baseball will be on a similar situation which the NIL gimmicks will emerge before soccer.

Even women's basketball could get corrupted by this as the WNBA appears to be here forever. I think the NBA will fund WNBA to a point just to continue to look good in eyes of gender patrols.

Basically, I think softball has the best outlook, seriously, plus they are fun to watch when winning and the pace of game is great. But until a group of schools revolt and say this school offers sports as an opportunity for free college tuition, until they segregate themselves to make sure there is a huge, divisive separation between professional and student athletes, there will be zero chance to have college sports as we know them 5yrs from now.

I think the above will happen, actually I'd bet it does happen. And maybe it's Ivy league first or some group that doesn't get many 5* recruits. But I hope Clemson considers and maybe get a group of 32 schools that want that original college atmosphere.

I guarantee alumni donations to sports will tragically fall due to kids making money from their school of choice. I have no doubt that these politicians that jumped the gun on this without sound consideration of of all repercussions will later regret what monster they created. Unfortunately a huge percentage of politicians are lawyers and they see billions in college sports that they can milk in their private practices. This is the end of what we know as college sports!! I am not a pessimist but this will be much worse than we ever imagined. Their kneejerks are typical reactions to squeaky wheels in today's social media era and change is made without full consideration. I am very concerned about not having an enjoyable sport to root for!!

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Great post. Thank you. I predict that this will create


Jun 4, 2021, 3:29 PM

factions within fan bases as well. For example, power 5 schools have a large segment of their fan bases that did not attend school there. We especially see this in the south. I can see a situation where the fans who are strictly there for the sports have no problem with college players making money off of this, and are all for their team going "all in" to keep up with the big boys to get top talent. Many fans who are alums (myself included) would be very much against these changes and want to see college students remain amateurs, with an emphasis on the student portion of student-athlete.

I realize I'm painting with a broad brush, but if this thing takes off as we think it will, it's going to create divisions within fan bases and perhaps even within colleges and universities.

As someone who is a Clemson University fan first, and a Clemson sports fan second, I'd rather us just not field athletic teams - or at least stop giving athletic scholarships - if the alternative is to turn into a minor league where we have student-athletes getting paid just because they are good at a sport.

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Re: Great post. Thank you. I predict that this will create


Jun 4, 2021, 6:06 PM

I think you are very accurate in creating different groups of fans. And I hadn't thought about the Alum vs pure fandom mindset. I fully buy into the thought that pure fans don't care about the school, they just like the team. That group of fans are not the ones that donate thousands to Iptay for guaranteed lower deck seats either. They are just as happy to buy tix from scalpers or from StubHub.

But now as an alumni fan, why would I donate thousands every year to Iptay when the players are being paid thousands in income not to mention the free ride from school. If athletes are going to make money from their affiliation with school, then they can pay part of their way and don't need my donations to provide better facilities. The schools can start billing these athletes for books, surgeries, housing, etc. The monetary need from Iptay should drastically decrease.

Then there is going to be a whole other facet of lawsuits coming forward, I guarantee it as this evolves. Consider how much Clemson made from selling #16 T-Law jerseys over the last 3yrs, probably $100s of thousands since its only a percentage. Well since these kids will make money from their "Name-Image-Likeness", but they won't be allowed to sell jerseys with the Said School's logo on them, some lawyer will get a group of players together to sue the schools to stop them from earning money from students "NIL". Or just pay the student athletes a percentage of all sales with their number or name on product while they are registered to attend Said Schools. So now you have student athletes suing schools for restricting their income and monetizing off their "NIL". I can't say this enough, this is going to get ugly and become seriously unenjoyable!!

The NCAA could have managed this so much better if they would have taken the initiative. Just think if the NCAA approved for the students to make money off of their privately owned Social Media and then required the schools to track Jersey # sales and reimburse the athletes a percentage of those sales determined to be student specific, but that money is only guaranteed upon certain criteria such as: 1) Graduation, 2) Drafted, or 3) One full year post leaving or transferring from school. (Transfers pay penalty of some percentage if you transfer prior to graduation or drafted). Then some percentage of TV money is dispersed to student athletes across all sports. Each group of sports are paid their prorated percentage based on groups determined valuation to schools net tv return. So Olympic sports get one rate paid annually, no matter sport or gender. Then Basketball ( men's and women's) are paid their rates, Baseball/Softball paid their rates, etc, etc, and of course Football.

The TV money guarantees that all players across team make money, the star players obviously make more because their Social Media blows up and schools sells more of their jerseys. The money determined by groups or sports type like Basketball, paying boys and girls same keeps Title IX satisfied as equity (even tho we know not if speaking revenue) is leveled within that sport. And Basketball makes more than Olympic sports but I think there is a clear distinction in revenue from one over the other.

One thing I like about TV revenue sharing is that it stays constant across the conference at least and when sharing across 500 student athletes, even if SEC athletes make more TV revenue, that distribution should only be $100's of dollars per school across P5's and G5's should stay fairly similar. Also, the schools could penalize students who get into trouble for drugs, team violation, etc. And students that win MVPs, Conference and National awards could be given production bonuses.

All that to say, there are ways this could have been made very fair. And if kids were making $8k, $14k, $20k, combined with private Social Media revenue all added to their free education, free training tables, food etc., These high school kids would have been happier than pigs with fresh slop. And all this upcoming chaos would have been squelched for the most part and college sports could have remained some semblance of what we see and expect today. But this simplistic attempt was too complicated for the NCAA to figure out and they have only fertilized the kudzu that we wanted to stop growing.

Sorry for long post, but this is really a sad period for the sports that I love and invested years of it being a big part of my life, only to try feel like that part of my life is going away. Almost like getting divorced when likely just a little better communication could have saved the marriage. That's my best analogy, ha!

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Re: College sports post 2021 = Giant ClusterF* + Ugly Future


Jun 3, 2021, 1:32 AM

Many are waking up as we will move into a new ERA of freedom, the great revival is upon us look for many things including money to change over the next year.

Med-beds, cures & light therapy will change recovery & health for the better all of us very soon. Look for football to change their rules again as well.

My personal opinion is we may never see college football be as popular as it has been for the last 40 years. The times are changing & I hope they make a change away from a professional college football but keep many of the advantages for the players such as the push to graduate all the players.

I do believe the top schools will have an easier time remaining at the top as for as attendance, records & popularity.

Iptay has been a game changer for Clemson to help us compete with much larger schools & markets.

As always let’s Go Tigers!

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College sports has always been a


Jun 3, 2021, 1:33 AM

"strange appendage" as George Will has said. We all loved cfb especially, but it just got out of control. European uni's don't have sports teams, corporations don't have sports teams and civic orgs don't have sports teams. How did academic institutions ever get into the for profit sports business??

I see about 32 D1 cfb teams surviving.. everybody else will just be the Washington Generals of football. College basketball is dead.

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Jun 3, 2021, 4:16 AM

I believe this is the end of college football as we have known it for so many years. I wonder if Dabo will stick to his word and get out of coaching once players started getting compensated.

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Jun 3, 2021, 5:47 AM

Sports are also changing because different sports poularities are changing also. Soccer is booming, Lacrosse is booming. I get the sense that (may be totally wrong), football isn't what it once was. I wish there were a better funding model, but there isn't. Money is on its way to ruining sports.

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Jun 4, 2021, 2:54 PM

There is one sport paying the bills and that is college football... and that is going in the wrong direction in a hurry... NCAA sits on their hands, Congress sits on their hands...

CFP gives so many people an opportunity across the board, from the managers, trainers, tutors, admins so student athletes can get ahead in life... Clemson has a model program for that, only a small handful will go to the league and a smaller number will get the big contract or any longevity, there is always the next best thing trying to take your job... better be ready to live life outside the locker room...

They are about to kill the golden goose.

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Jun 4, 2021, 3:30 PM

I really wish there were internet boards from the 300s and crotchy old men complaining about money ruining chariot races and gladiator fights.

The "woke" crowds demanding the ending of killing of people and animals for entertainment.

I'm pretty sure 85% of this board would be part of that discussion.

Things changes people. Get over it. It's just the march of time and we are just a small fleck of dust in the timeframe. Enjoy the ride and life!

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Jun 4, 2021, 6:18 PM

You don't have to get over it. Times could have changed and players could have been paid but the method of this change will forever kill the landscape of what we have grown to love. I'm guessing you don't follow or enjoy some college sports as much as some people do. You don't change you yearly calendar around so you guarantee your availability to view or travel to specific sporting events without question. If you are not invested at some level above a casual viewer then yeah, just say change it and carry on. But the product many enjoy today will go away, and its not for the better under the methods of change that is creating the demand.

So yes, it will change, we don't have to like it. And it could have easily made change to accomplish the best for all. What I see happening is not good for anyone unless you are a dirtbag lawyer licking your chops at the expense of kids basically.

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Jun 5, 2021, 6:02 PM

Mate - if you revolve your life around watching 20 year old men pitch and catch then i feel bad for you.

I love clemson, college football and sports in general. But they are entertainment. Yes do they stir up nostalgia for me? Absolutely. Running down the hill, the pageantry and spectacle are amazing. Tailgating and reliving the good ol days with my college buddies. Awesome.

But you know what? They're the good ol days for a reason. They are in the past. Things change.

Since Clemson, I've seeing children born. Work goals achieved. Marriages. Deaths. Sunset over the Arabian Sea. Sunrise from Japan. Snow in Red Square. Cows roaming the streets of Addis Ababa.

I am not trying to be smug here, but there is more to life than orienting your life around college football. It's great to watch. Its fun to see. But it's literally a game. Chill out and play with your kids.

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I really wish the NFL had created a minor leage


Jun 5, 2021, 7:59 AM

That would enable players who want to be a "pro" and make money right away do that at 18. Using college football as the NFL's minor league is what got us to this point and is what will ruin college football and the other revenue sports. Under the current system, I can't say I blame the players for trying to get more considering the gobs of money that college football makes. The solution is just going to be messy and have a lot of unintended consequences. If the NFL had just created minor league instead, it would have kept a more amateur dynamic to college football at least in the near term.

Same with the CBB one and done rule. It is beyond useless - let the players who want to be pro and make money as fast as possible go straight to the D League. There is no reason for college basketball to serve as a quasi-minor league, especially for only one year.


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College sports are not dead as we know them, though


Jun 5, 2021, 9:14 AM

I don't mean to disagree outright, but some of these comments feel deliberately pessimistic and cynical.

Coach K, for example, is in his 70's. His retirement was always just a question of time, but in his retirement speech he didn't say it had anything to do with NIL rights.

Kirby taking 2 portal guys doesn't reduce 2 high-school kids; they took one of our Tigers, for example, so don't WE replace him? Kirby Smart doesn't determine the pace of recruiting high school players in spite of grabbing some transfers every year; it may get worse, to your point, but there are always going to be vastly more HS recruits by nature; this year in particular will contribute to more transfers into 2023 by nature (i.e., the COVID-19 season extension of eligibility).

Title 9 isn't flawless but it IS absolutely crucially important & I think its importance needs to be deliberately considered, particularly for women's sports since its inception. Football can HELP tremendously, rather than it being an unfair target outright (especially as the revenue grows even higher than ever).

College football, finally, is not coming to an end. We have to decide how to handle it better, but at least try to see the possibility that NIL & title IX actually IMPROVE the experience. For example, you couldn't meet Trevor Lawrence, but now you can go pay $8 to get his autograph and you get to see him in commercials for Kia of Greer or something.

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