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How Important Is The Money
Jul 11, 2022, 9:34 PM
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I keep reading that the ACC schools are getting $40M a year from the league while the SEC and B1G will be paying each school over $100M. Meanwhile, I went and looked up the top 25 schools $ spent on football. The results are below. Money doesn’t translate into success. Not saying it doesn’t provide an advantage. However, as long as Clemson football is a viable contender, a 1 loss Tiger team will likely get into the playoffs. Is about the money or winning championships? I don’t want to get left behind either but not sure we need to rush into anything.
https://www.on3.com/news/top-25-highest-spending-college-football-programs-nation-richest-ohio-state-michigan-texas-alabama/
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it didn't until NIL***
Jul 11, 2022, 9:39 PM
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But how does that work? As far as I can tell, money the school gets
Jul 11, 2022, 11:45 PM
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is basically the only money that isn’t allowed to go into a player’s pocket.
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The reason the money difference will matter eventually
Jul 11, 2022, 9:45 PM
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will be due to coaches salaries and “things”. Think full athletic departments. Not just football. Having the ability to easily invest money into a baseball stadium or softball field. Even attractions coaches. Our football will always compete because we have an administration that sees the value. However it does take resources away from other sports. That’s a fact. Also the NIL capabilities will come into play at some point.
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Re: The reason the money difference will matter eventually
Jul 11, 2022, 11:24 PM
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Takes resources away from other sports? Take football money away and there wouldn’t be other sports. Football is the reason we can afford a women's SB team!
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Re: How Important Is The Money
Jul 11, 2022, 9:48 PM
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It depends on what you believe. If you believe everything will stay the same in college football as it’s been for the past 10 or 15 years, then the money difference is probably not insurmountable to success. If, however, you believe almost all of the experts connected closely to the inner workings of college football that significant change is on the near horizon, like pay for play, expanded (but exclusive) playoff, break from NCAA, unlimited scholarships, etc. then that money difference will make or break your program.
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Re: How Important Is The Money
Jul 11, 2022, 9:51 PM
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So what do you do when schools earn so much more than you that they just buy your coaches? What if USC made $300M and offered Dabo $30M/year?
No matter how you look at it money helps. Eventually money can make it impossible to compete at the highest level. We've been very lucky with loyal coaches but that won't/can't last forever.
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Re: How Important Is The Money
Jul 11, 2022, 10:03 PM
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Point about buying coaches is well taken. Fortunately Dabo is not after the money or he would have left years ago. IDK. I’m old I guess. I don’t like where any of this is heading. USC and UCLA in B1G and Texas and Oklahoma in the SEC. Just blasphemy to an older fan like me. Nothing stays the same though. I hope our administration chooses wisely, whatever they decide. In the short term at least, it doesn’t seem to matter with the 3rd ranked recruiting class in the country.
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Re: How Important Is The Money
Jul 11, 2022, 10:18 PM
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Point about buying coaches is well taken. Fortunately Dabo is not after the money or he would have left years ago. IDK. I’m old I guess. I don’t like where any of this is heading. USC and UCLA in B1G and Texas and Oklahoma in the SEC. Just blasphemy to an older fan like me. Nothing stays the same though. I hope our administration chooses wisely, whatever they decide. In the short term at least, it doesn’t seem to matter with the 3rd ranked recruiting class in the country.
I posted a similar thread on this subject and I can tell you: "you are not alone in not jumping to the conclusion that it's imminent"! For one, the school's athletic program IS NOT PAYING PLAYERS. So many people do not understand that.
Coaches, i'll give you. As it stands now, the players are being NIL-deals with 3rd party sources. The same 3rd party sources that have bought cars and given "green hand-shakes" for years! The SEC Raider12 and the Big 10 - have had a money advantage over ACC schools(obviously Clemson included) for years and years!
This advantage and larger than ACC school alumni bases - is not new!
Somebody quoted it was something like a 200 million dollar difference between what a school like Kentucky and scar has made over(not sure of the length of time). But, why and how come it hasn't translated into all the success? Fair question, right?
Tennessee has one of the biggest/nicest stadiums in college football and a big and passionate fan base. How come since Fulmer left they can't seem to win? They get plenty of good recruits(we have lost players to them). How come they can't win? It's not because they are in the SEC either; because I am pretty sure they either lost to Georgia State or almost lost to Georgia State "AT HOME"! App State and The Citadel have gone into Columbia and come away with wins in recent years. Georgia Southern a few years ago went into the vaunted swamp and won. None of those schools could match the athletic budget - at that time in history of those programs. Yet!!!
Raider12 in short; I have many of the same questions and thoughts. A kid if he is able to make some money doesn't care if it's coming from Clemson or Jackson St. or anybody else. Plus, at the right school not loaded with just 5-star players he likely gets his money and gets to put down good video so he can eventually move on and make real NFL money. Fun times.
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Re: How Important Is The Money
Jul 12, 2022, 1:03 PM
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Well Dabo is currently making over $10 million per year so it's not as if he doesn't like money or anything. I do agree the money isn't his primary focus and I'd like to think he wouldn't leave Clemson simply because he received a better financial offer.
With coaching salaries though there's things to consider beyond Dabo. We've paid our top assistant coaches such as BV a ton of money in recent years. Let's say though in the future you have the head coach of Alabama making $20 million per year and we have another top notch coordinator similar to BV on staff that we're paying a few million to. Let's say Alabama decides they want that coordinator to come over to them and they decide to pay him $10 million? It would be a lot harder for us to keep up with those types of bidding wars if we're making $60 million less per year than the teams we're competing with.
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Re: How Important Is The Money
Jul 12, 2022, 1:31 PM
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Be careful what you wish for. Congress and the courts already stepped in one time and forced sharing with the athletes through NIL. There was considerable talk of forcing pay for play. If the $s jump again significantly, expect that Congress, the courts, liberal politicians, and activist organizations like BLM to demand sharing it with the athletes. Then what have you gained? Nothing. Turning college sports into pro sports for money that was never needed in the first place, and you'll likely never benefit from, just seems like folly to me. Blast away.
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Re: How Important Is The Money
Jul 12, 2022, 12:52 PM
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Agree with this. I don't think the money matters a lot in the short term, but if the other schools are earning $60 million more per year then they'll eventually find good ways to spend that money. One use for that money will be pouring money into other sports including upgraded player facilities, coaches in other sports, stadiums, fields, etc... which will make it that much harder to compete in other sports.
In football, we currently have some of the nicest facilities in the country. The other schools will be able to spend to catch up to us in the short term. In the longer term we'll eventually need to upgrade again and the other schools will have a much easier time in coming up with the money for their upgrades than us and it'll be harder and harder for us to keep up.
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According to TNet posters
Jul 11, 2022, 9:55 PM
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money is essential for Clemson football to be successful, but not important for Clemson basketball to be successful.
HTH.
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Re: According to TNet posters
Jul 12, 2022, 6:05 AM
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Geez JK, you’ll use any conversation to throw shade at Dabo and football. Football has been “toting” basketball forever. BB is a clown and should have been shown the door after last season. We don’t do basketball in a basketball conference.
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Re: According to TNet posters
Jul 12, 2022, 7:56 AM
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JK, I'm almost convinced that you are in fact Coach Brad Brownell
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No amount of money will fix Brad.
Jul 12, 2022, 2:01 PM
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That's the message from T-Netters, most of us at least. You are being disingenuous stating otherwise.
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Re: How Important Is The Money
Jul 11, 2022, 10:51 PM
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The TV revenue variance is now approximately $33M to $56M ($23M per year). This is projected to grow to approx. $45M (ACC) to $100M (SEC/B1G). Multiply that $55M variance by 14 through 2035. That's $770M. IPTAY cannot make up that difference in the intermediate or long term. That funding will be used to support NIL (SEC & B1G will approve TV $$ to be used to pay athletes), and other sports in addition to football placing Clemson on a lower level playing field ...
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Re: How Important Is The Money
Jul 11, 2022, 11:35 PM
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You’re exactly right. It amazes me that so many are viewing this money situation based on today’s conditions and not on where things are headed.
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Re: How Important Is The Money
Jul 12, 2022, 12:24 PM
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You’re exactly right. It amazes me that so many are viewing this money situation based on today’s conditions and not on where things are headed.
I for one get that "it's about where it's headed"! My thing is; "the money disparity is ongoing and has been ongoing for years"! Sure, it's going to grow, but how has it helped to this point against the Dabo lead Tigers?
Also, I get that football drives the bus for "non-revenue sport"! But, if you're talking about the Lacrosse team having better gear because of a better TV contract - then yeah.
But, if it's about getting 4 and 5-star players under NIL it doesn't come into play. As the schools do not play the player! The conference does not pay the player!
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Re: How Important Is The Money
Jul 12, 2022, 1:09 PM
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I think you’re still missing where it’s going. I wasn’t talking just about the HUGE differential in annual payouts between the big 2 and everyone else. I was referring to where that extra money will be spent. We are absolutely headed toward Pay For Play. We’re headed for expanded scholarship limits. The money for those things will come directly from the schools.
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Re: How Important Is The Money
Jul 12, 2022, 7:18 PM
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I think you’re still missing where it’s going. I wasn’t talking just about the HUGE differential in annual payouts between the big 2 and everyone else. I was referring to where that extra money will be spent. We are absolutely headed toward Pay For Play. We’re headed for expanded scholarship limits. The money for those things will come directly from the schools.
I didn't miss it. I am saying; based on what makes you think that will happen? If, the gross-Grand Valley like - disparity is already there?
It's already in place today as I type this! What you are saying is that the Grand Valley is going to get wider. Well, at this point, so what? If your vast area hasn't helped you beat me to this date consistently(what's Clemson's record vs SEC and Big 10 teams since Dabo took over again) then why the near heart malfunctions by so many.
The money is going to go into their athletic program and into what a Northwestern cares about: Or into somebody's pocket. But, it apparently isn't going into football. If we are speaking from a whole athletic program standpoint - I can get with that.
But, their millions and millions of more dollars to date have not separated them to the point I would say Clemson can't compete.
Throw in where Clemson is currently in recruiting and I summarize people are jumping the boat a bit.
Give me a shred of historical data that suggests their ADVANTAGE has stopped Clemson! Heck, didn't the Soccer team win a National Title recently? Against teams from athletic programs who hauled in far more money! And, soccer is not the number one sport on campus by a large margin. Thus, how much money did we put into it? Yet, the less funded Clemson squad hoisted the National Championship!
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Re: How Important Is The Money
Jul 11, 2022, 11:14 PM
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A 1 loss year depends on who the loss is to, when it was and most definitely not in the ACC Championship game. I know there will never be a school or a coach that would not like more money but honestly, what has Dabo ever needed that he did not get?
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Re: How Important Is The Money
Jul 12, 2022, 7:35 AM
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We need the money for the overall health of our athletic department. We have outperformed football teams whose schools make way more money than we do. I attribute that to Dabo, the great coaching and culture at Clemson. We have to do what’s best for the future. I want to see all our athletic teams have everything they need to be successful including new facilities if needed. That extra money is necessary and we need to go get it and not be left behind.
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Using your own list, that $131 Million Clemson spent had to
Jul 12, 2022, 7:50 AM
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come from somewhere. Imagine what $50 Million more "income" could mean, and where that money could be spent, without trimming a dime off what Clemson currently spends on the Pigskin sport.
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