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All-TigerNet [10777]
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The idiots who believe this fiction about the limo, will you
Jun 29, 2022, 3:06 PM
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eat crow?
A few days from now when it's even admitted by late show hosts that the whole thing was made up, will you admit you were wrong?
I'm shocked anyone could believe any of it, lol. It's absolutely insane.
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Well
Jun 29, 2022, 3:08 PM
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WE NEVER HAD EARTHQUAKES IN ELGIN UNTIL BIDEN WAS ELECTED PRESIDENT!!!!!
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How can you grab the steering wheel from the backseat of a
Jun 29, 2022, 3:10 PM
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limo ?
Science.
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Oculus Spirit [81536]
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Have you ever been inside a limo? How do you not
Jun 29, 2022, 3:16 PM
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understand how it is possible? Now Trump's lardass might not have been able to fit through the divider opening to get to the wheel, that's a possibility.
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Re: How can you grab the steering wheel from the backseat of a
Jun 29, 2022, 5:16 PM
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I always go for the clavicles.
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Re: How can you grab the steering wheel from the backseat of a
Jun 29, 2022, 7:00 PM
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I imagine the SUV is a Beast also.
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there could be a video, sworn testimony, and the
Jun 29, 2022, 3:10 PM
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orange man's dna on the secret service agent and you brainless MAGA people still wouldnt believe it.
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Oculus Spirit [79212]
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The story pretty much requires all 3 of those in order to be
Jun 29, 2022, 3:31 PM
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Even half way believable. What’s next, he had a pallet of nooses in the back of The Beast he intended to distribute to supporters? Lol
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you mizzpelled neese, hth***
Jun 29, 2022, 3:33 PM
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All you'd need is a witness who didn't actually see
Jun 29, 2022, 4:44 PM
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the nooses, but testifies that they were told they were there (or something to that effect). That should be good enough. They call that a "Bombshell".
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Re: All you'd need is a witness who didn't actually see
Jun 29, 2022, 4:53 PM
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^^^actual idiot^^^^***
Jun 29, 2022, 3:35 PM
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Re: ^^^actual idiot^^^^***
Jun 29, 2022, 6:06 PM
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I like how you never attack Lakebum cause you know he will take you to the woodshed. It’s fun to watch.
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you havent the foggiest idea what constitues evidence***
Jun 30, 2022, 8:31 AM
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So your user name is conservative Alex
Jun 30, 2022, 5:58 PM
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But you believe this story?
Seriously?
If you do you should change your username to brainwashed Alex or incredibly moronically stupid Alex
FYI the Secret Service has already completely rejected this and said multiple people that were there and involved will testify under oath that this is a big fat lie.
Also this statement would not be allowed in a court of law. It’s 100% hearsay.
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If someone in that limousine would testify under oath
Jun 29, 2022, 3:20 PM
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and say that Trump didn't do that, I would certainly agree that it might not have happened.
Until then, the best evidence we have states that Trump did what yesterday's witness said he did.
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Which is weak at best….get head outa sand, JK***
Jun 29, 2022, 3:36 PM
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So my head is in the sand
Jun 29, 2022, 3:48 PM
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because I am believing someone who swore under oath that something happened, rather than believing tweets and hearsay from people who haven't testified at all saying that something different happened?
LOL.
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Re: So my head is in the sand
Jun 29, 2022, 8:09 PM
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She swore under oath that she heard something happened you genius.
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Which is way more credible than the tweets you’re citing
Jun 29, 2022, 10:58 PM
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as “proof” that she’s lying.
Why won’t anyone else with a different version testify under oath? Why do so many from the Trump administration refuse to testify and/or ask for pardons?
If the truth is on their side, why are they so quiet?
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All-TigerNet [10777]
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why do you knowingly repeat this fake argument ad nauseum?
Jun 29, 2022, 3:51 PM
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The SS agents have to be called by the committee. They can't just volunteer to go testify. They already have done that. The only reason their testimony on this matter isn't in the record is because the committee has intentionally omitted it.
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Even eyewitness testimony can be highly unreliable and
Jun 29, 2022, 4:57 PM
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problematic, and this is not even that good. This is basically an uncorroborated allegation at this point, which has not been subjected to cross examination. I understand that this is merely an investigation and not a trial, but this testimony looks a lot more impressive in this context than it would be in an actual trial, if it were even allowed.
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Re: Even eyewitness testimony can be highly unreliable and
Jun 29, 2022, 5:10 PM
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I don't see how it would be allowed. It is hearsay. She admitted that out of her own mouth. She wasn't there.
Mind, I'd be genuinely curious to see who else was present and what they might say, or who might have been present when this story was relayed to Cassidy Hutchinson, because if those Secret Service guys were there when the story was told to it - and confirmed it, as she claims happened - then these guys are toying with perjury charges themselves if any kind of evidence to support her version of events arises.
I actually wonder if this might be a perjury trap on the Committee's part. They've been slick enough thus far I do suspect they're clever enough to do something like that. Especially if they think the Secret Service guys omitted stuff in their prior testimony...or worse, flat-out lied to them.
Keep in mind, the Committee closed the hearing with that little half-veiled warning: "If there's some details you'd like to clarify..." (1:18) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRs-lIMhel8
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Oculus Spirit [79212]
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Try this fun experiment: grab your wife, friend, or whoever
Jun 29, 2022, 7:03 PM
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Go out to your vehicle, have them sit in the drivers seat, and you sit in the backseat. From the backseat, try to grab the steering wheel to gain control of the vehicle. Then pretend you are in your mid to late 70’s, survive off of McDonald’s hamburgers, and there are two secret service agents in the front seats. You should the be able to see how ridiculous this story is.
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So that’s illogical and unlikely, but a stolen election is a given?
Jun 29, 2022, 7:43 PM
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Just making sure I follow the logic here.
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Yeah, you aren’t following at all.***
Jun 30, 2022, 8:00 AM
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Re: Even better, do it from the back of a partitioned limo.***
Jun 30, 2022, 6:53 AM
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Ok, for a smart guy such as yourself, maybe you should read the whole thread before posting.. As my post above states ... "For the love of JFC, he left in the SUV. It was shown on video in the hearing ...". In the video, it appears that the back seat is close to the front seat. However, in reference to this matter, does it really matter with the details on the grabbing of the stealing wheel or the SS agents neck? All that detail proves is that he was crazy and unfit and most everyone already knew that anyway. From a legal standpoint, it only mattered that he wanted to go to the Capitol and was irate that he wasn't being allowed to(and the SS confirmed that he was "irate"). Anyway, she was only relating a story told to her by Tony O. (btw, the ONLY SS agent to EVER be raised into a political position as Deputy. Chief of Staff) in the presence of Engel. Even though Tony O. could testify, I would not trust that he would be truthful due to his close relationship with Trump and I don't think it would be good for the SS agent Engel to be forced to testify because this would set a bad precedent. There needs to be a trust between the SS and a President that they will not talk/testify about the things they see behind closed doors. Rant over.
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Re: Even better, do it from the back of a partitioned limo.***
Jun 30, 2022, 8:28 AM
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after taking control of the Beast, Trump reportedly screamed "THIS IS MAGA COUNTRY" on his way to the capitol
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Re: The idiots who believe this fiction about the limo, will you
Jun 29, 2022, 3:27 PM
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How about ketchup dripping down the wall with a plate stuck to it, lollers. The guy was eating 1/4 pounders off the Whitehouse fine china and tossing it at the walls. Maher was right when he called him the offspring of an orangutang.
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^^suffering from Lindsey Syndrome***
Jun 29, 2022, 3:29 PM
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Re: The idiots who believe this fiction about the limo, will you
Jun 29, 2022, 4:13 PM
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Nobody on this site believes in more fiction as reality on this site than yourself. Just sayin. Pretty much 90% of what is said about Trump is true. Of course sometimes people will see things differently and take word of mouth and then convey it, but it is a given that he is a delusional POS. 90% of what is stated about that nutcase is true.
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Re: The idiots who believe this fiction about the limo, will you
Jun 29, 2022, 4:31 PM
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But only 80% of the 90% is truthful 15% of the time
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Re: The idiots who believe this fiction about the limo, will you
Jun 29, 2022, 4:51 PM
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They won't eat crow, because once all this bs is disproven there will be another bombshell they are all whacking off to.
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Re: The idiots who believe this fiction about the limo, will you
Jun 29, 2022, 5:17 PM
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Did the democrats consult Jussie on this?
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Re: The idiots who believe this fiction about the limo, will you
Jun 29, 2022, 4:57 PM
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It doesn't matter in the slightest anymore, except maybe as a Fox News talking point, which Fox, frankly, was always going to manufacture one way or another anyhow.
The problem with Cassidy's account, as was noted by anybody who ever watched a legal drama, was the whole in-the-limo bit was - all together now - "OBJECTION, YOUR HONOR...HEARSAY!" - and as such would have been followed by the judgment "SUSTAINED" in about a second flat.
Mind, it is fascinating that both guys were apparently there when the story that was told to her, and neither argued the account at the time. And of course, there's the fact both were interviewed before...and there's also the little fact that the Committee seems unlikely to have gone with this without multiple corroborating accounts, as careful and systematic as they've been with everything else.
And it really flat-out doesn't matter in the slightest what these guys have to say either...even if they're willing to stand up under oath. By definition Secret Service guys are willing to take a bullet for their president, and these two were Trump's absolute favs, the most personally loyal guys of an agency that selects guys precisely for their loyalty.
If these were Trump's tightest Secret Service boys, the ones he'd elevated above all others, the ones most willing to die for him, you don't think for one second they'd be willing to lie for him too? Trump's always had a mob boss's mentality. Of course they would. This is the definition of "undue influence." https://www.upcounsel.com/undue-influence
The best you're going to get in he-said/she-said in those circumstances is a stalemate. And it doesn't matter much anyhow because aside from salacious detail, that was probably the least legally damaging statement Hutchinson made all night. Unless these secret service dudes are looking to press charges. Which I, uhm...sort of doubt.
This is never going to see the light of day again. This is exactly the problem the GOP let itself in for when they refused to do this Committee in a bipartisan manner and walked off in a huff. The opposition completely controls the hearing.
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So basically, anybody can say anything anytime... No problem
Jun 29, 2022, 5:55 PM
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Anybody refutes it... Dismissed.
Give me seven more paragraphs of spin.
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Re: So basically, anybody can say anything anytime... No problem
Jun 29, 2022, 6:11 PM
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Nope.
All I said was, bodyguards. Actually the ultimate bodyguards, Trump's favs in the Secret Service, which has way too often been the Praetorian Guard of presidents.
Just as an example...somebody tells a story about Britney Spears slapping one of her bodyguards upside the face. The bodyguard then denies it.
Do we necessarily believe the bodyguard? Undue influence exists there. It's as real a thing as "hearsay." Which this also is.
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"Undue influence exists" everywhere... Quintessential DC.***
Jun 29, 2022, 6:15 PM
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Re: "Undue influence exists" everywhere... Quintessential DC.***
Jun 29, 2022, 6:21 PM
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Trump is their Golden Ticket after they leave the Secret Service. Which may well be soon, in their cases. The Service, like a lot of Gubmint institutions, is quietly clearing out Trump loyalists right now.
Well, unless they cross him or defy him in some way. Being close to him, they'd be especially aware what happens to people who cross or defy the Donald.
So yeah, undue influence. Especially near centers of power, that often applies.
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Who's Cassidy's "Golden Ticket"...?***
Jun 29, 2022, 7:58 PM
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Re: Who's Cassidy's "Golden Ticket"...?***
Jun 30, 2022, 12:50 AM
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I was actually thinking about that.
I'm not sure. She's of a generation that thinks a lot about their own personal brand. (In some ways, Trump was like, 50+ years ahead of the curve on this.)
She straddles that Gen Z/Millennial generation - actually I think she's a late Millennial - but my guess is, she's already got a publicist, she's already got an agent...and she's already fielding offers. And can you imagine what she now has to sell? Book deal, movie deal, paid appearances...I mean, the mind boggles. She made herself at least eight figures yesterday, for sure. At least.
That's not to say she may not have a certain amount of humanity. The fact that she was willing to pick up a dish rag to help a valet clean up after a Trump rampage is telling...in a lot of ways, she did come across like a try-hard Good Girl. But a good many Z's have told me they don't work for companies, they work for themselves, and the second something isn't working for them, they Peace and Out, too.
If Millennials are the feely Explore Your Feelings Do Nothing generation, the Z's tend to be utterly cynical.
I honestly think she just gen-gapped the Trump administration...and did what most Z's would regard as any sensible girl her age doing in her situation. Just my .02 worth. But I'm curious to see what she does next. I think I have an idea.
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Re: The idiots who believe this fiction about the limo, will you
Jun 29, 2022, 5:24 PM
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She heard what she heard…it doesn’t make her the liar here. If anything it makes Engle the obvious liar…he’s the Trump loyalist and I’m sure doesn’t want to #### Trump off.
Overall, I couldn’t care less if he really lunged for the wheel or a dude’s neck…the important takeaway is that he pitched a fit cause he wanted to go storm the capitol with his rabble.
I don’t think the committee would have asked her to testify in public if they didn’t all ready have some cooperation of her testimony. They have been very deliberate in how and what they have brought forward. If you are going to go after a former POTUS, then it HAS to be done this way so that if charges are filed, the public has some idea of the reason.
All the noise from MAGA is just that, noise meant to distract, obscure, and sow doubt. It’s right out of the Bannon/MAGA playbook, which we saw all throughout Trump’s presidency, especially leading up to the election.
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Re: The idiots who believe this fiction about the limo, will you
Jun 29, 2022, 5:33 PM
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Obviously…above should be ‘already’ and ‘corroberation’…just getting that out there before the usual suspects discount an entire post because of two misspelled words…you know, like discounting a witnesses entire testimony because some Trump shill said it wasn’t true.
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Re: The idiots who believe this fiction about the limo, will you
Jun 29, 2022, 5:43 PM
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Again, it really doesn't matter.
The Committee's not going to bring those two back in...that part of the hearing's done, and they've mapped out where they're going next.
This is just talking-point grist for Tucker and Hannity, at this juncture. And they were always going to find those talking points and hammer doubt into the masses credulous skulls anyhow.
Looking forwards, you'd have a hard time seeing where this might fit into the inevitable trials we're about to have anyhow. I don't see anybody charging Trump for attempted assault on his own secret service, you know?
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What about Cassidy for perjury should the USSS guys get called?***
Jun 29, 2022, 8:01 PM
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this is all one sided testimony without cross examination
Jun 30, 2022, 2:34 AM
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of course they are not looking for the truth. Pubs will do the same thing when they control congress later this year when they go after Hunter and Joe.
In a trial, both sides bring witnesses and both sides cross examine.
If you are going to convict someone of a crime, you need some proof. More than some dude told me he grabbed the steering wheel and then grabbed him by the clavicles.
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Re: this is all one sided testimony without cross examination
Jun 30, 2022, 6:11 PM
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That’s because its just a hearing right now. Hopefully the trial will follow.
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Lie. Double down. Project.
Jun 29, 2022, 7:24 PM
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That’s their whole playbook.
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It’s amazing. Since I posted this, the entire story has been proven false.
Jun 29, 2022, 11:02 PM
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And just look at all the spin and BS from the usual suspects. They will peddle literally anything as long as they think it helps their side. What a lack of character. What a miserable life.
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So true!
Jun 29, 2022, 11:04 PM
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These idiots hear hooves and assume it’s a zebra, when the evidence suggests that a horse is much more likely to be the source.
Yet they double down on it being a zebra, insisting that it’s a zebra despite being on a horse farm in Kentucky.
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