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How can the NCAA punish NC over a State issue
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How can the NCAA punish NC over a State issue


Sep 13, 2016, 5:50 PM

But cant punish UNC over academic issues?

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They aren't punishing NC over a state issue.


Sep 13, 2016, 6:06 PM

They have a duty to protect their student athletes from NC's nasty bigotry. And yes, before you ask, there are student athletes who through no choice of their own were assigned a gender different from what may well be on their birth certificates. Conservatives mostly don't understand this because conservatives are mostly stupid.

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Re: They aren't punishing NC over a state issue.


Sep 13, 2016, 6:13 PM

and behavioral scientists, not exactly right-wingers say this is garbage. But guess you are ok with boys and girls sharing bathrooms.

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Re: They aren't punishing NC over a state issue.


Sep 14, 2016, 7:39 AM

i am guessing v-hort does not have children, especially girls. we can only hope. how many little girls will have to get raped or killed before anyone on that side wakes up. it is not the 1% of the he/she that is the problem. anyone knows that when a rule is made there are always people figuring out how to get around it. in this case it is very dangerous.

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Can you use specifics to explain how the law is bigoted?


Sep 13, 2016, 6:13 PM [ in reply to They aren't punishing NC over a state issue. ]

Everyone has become really good at saying so. Nobody seems to know why...specifically.

I'm pro-gay marriage. Big-time. And I think the reaction to the NC law is extremely stupid. The law is totally moderate, but group-thinkers who are desperate to feel self-righteous, are throwing tantrums all over the place.

You have these vapid celebrities who are doing concerts in Russia and Dubai boycotting NC. Group think is a h*ll of a drug.

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Serious Question...can you read?


Sep 13, 2016, 6:20 PM

If so...here you go.

http://www.ncjustice.org/?q=18-questions-18-answers-real-facts-behind-house-bill-2

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So that's one "no." It's really not that hard to


Sep 13, 2016, 6:43 PM

speak for yourself using information from other sources.

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Liberals are good at throwing around the word bigot


Sep 13, 2016, 7:15 PM [ in reply to Can you use specifics to explain how the law is bigoted? ]

at anything they don't like.


Having said that, I'm definitely a bigot.

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The oppression of having to pee according to your gender is


Sep 13, 2016, 11:11 PM [ in reply to Can you use specifics to explain how the law is bigoted? ]

just too much. I identify as a k-9, so I'll pee wherever I want. And anyone who arrests me for that is a bigot, dogist, cat-lover.

PCU is becoming less and less of a satire movie every day.

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Maybe that was GA Magnus' deal***


Sep 14, 2016, 6:11 AM



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Re: Can you use specifics to explain how the law is bigoted?


Sep 14, 2016, 1:45 AM [ in reply to Can you use specifics to explain how the law is bigoted? ]

You ask for specifics - here you go. This law holds up a completely non-existent boogeyman (the pervert who dresses up as a woman to sexually assault children in public restrooms) to justify a sweeping rollback of LGBT rights. N.C. Republicans called the General Assembly into special session for the express purpose of overturning Charlotte's recently passed anti-discrimination ordinance, which in addition to the "bathroom" provision would have granted anti-discrimination protections to gay people.

But HB2, the product of that special session, went much further than simply forcing Charlotte back to the status quo ante on gay rights - that is, none whatsoever. Statewide it overturned all city & county ordinances that established LGBTs as a protected class - thus voiding anti-discrimination protections in Asheville, Greeensboro, Durham, Chapel Hill, Carrboro & a handful of other municipalities & undoing decades of painstaking organizing & lobbying. But HB2 went further still. It closed the state courts to ALL claims of employment discrimination, not just by sexual orientation (which has never had protected status under N.C. law) but by race, gender, age, religion, whatever. (This provision was subsequently modified.) And just for good measure, it prohibited any county or municipality in N.C. from mandating a higher minimum wage. There's nothing "moderate" about this law - in one swoop it undoes what took decades of hard work to establish. Opposition to it can't be easily dismissed as "groupthink".

Some context here is important. Many people are incredulous to learn that it's perfectly legal to discriminate on the basis of personal disapproval of homosexuality. Under federal law & the laws of most states, gay people can be fired from their jobs; denied service in restaurants, hotels & other public accommodations; or evicted from an apartment, solely because of their sexuality. Democrats have tried on multiple occasions to establish such protections, but every time Republicans have bitterly opposed them & succeeded in blocking them. Into this breach, hundreds of cities & counties & 21 states have established such protections. Almost always, consideration of such laws has drawn bitter opposition from Christian conservative organizations. Quite often, such laws have been passed after years of painstaking efforts, only to be overturned by initiative in the very next election. So the campaign to establish legal protections for gay people has come to resemble trench warfare - lots of fighting & fire that move the front lines only a few inches & result in heavy casualties.

And so that is what made Obergefell v. Hodges (the Supreme Court decision that legalized same-sex marriage nationwide) seem so audacious. After decades in which the Supreme Court was sternly unsympathetic to gay people, this was as close to total victory as one will ever see in American law. But in politics there are no final victories, & every advance in civil rights is followed by an inevitable backlash. That, in essence, is what N.C.'s HB2 is. Unable to overrule the Supreme Court, gay-rights opponents counterattacked by hitting LGBTs at their weak point - by overturning the meager anti-discrimination protections that they've managed to get passed. First it was to try to uphold the right to discriminate in the guise of "religious freedom", but the backlash against Indiana's law early in 2015 probably stunted similar efforts in other states. Arkansas was the first state to expressly prohibit cities & counties from enacting protections for gay people, followed soon after by Tennessee. Houston, TX, was the test run for the bathroom-panic strategy: there, in 2015, voters in this majority-minority city decided by a large margin to overturn ALL anti-discrimination protections (not just for gays) after a campaign dominated by the (completely invented) specter of perverts lurking in public bathrooms to assault children. From there, the file moves to North Carolina & HB2. But for the opposition that the N.C. law has generated, laws like this one would have swept like a wildfire through Republican-controlled state legislatures. But after decades of being demonized & thrown under the bus, gay people these days finally have some powerful allies & the ability to push back. I guess THAT is what people find so upsetting about the opposition to North Carolina's law.

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This is yet another example that people suck at specifics.


Sep 14, 2016, 12:15 PM

This law holds up a completely non-existent boogeyman (the pervert who dresses up as a woman to sexually assault children in public restrooms) to justify a sweeping rollback of LGBT rights. N.C. Republicans called the General Assembly into special session for the express purpose of overturning Charlotte's recently passed anti-discrimination ordinance, which in addition to the "bathroom" provision would have granted anti-discrimination protections to gay people.

THIS. IS. VAGUE. COMMENTARY.

Quote the bill and explain how that part of the bill is bigoted. You are just hauling off and rehashing the same emotional, vague, unsupported commentary. Not everyone agrees with your commentary. I don't want people with penises in the bathroom with my daughter. If you want to believe that there are no disgusting people out there who would take advantage of such a law, then I think your opinion is dangerous for children in this country. I think you are more interested in securing special treatment for those you feel sorry for then you are making sure bathrooms are safe for children.

Specifically speaking, The Charlotte law forced all businesses to let literally anyone in any public or private business bathroom in Charlotte. All you have to do is claim you identify as a gender and BOOM. That's it. That is a fact. The state law gave businesses the choice to set their own bathroom policies regarding gender. That is also a fact.

The government should not impose such reckless political correctness on families who want to protect their families. I'm not worried about transgendered people, I'm worried about the obvious pathway to abuse this law has. Literally anyone can claim to identify as whatever they want. I would like businesses to decide their bathroom policies. The State law allows for that.

Like rape, child molestation is one of the most underreported crimes: only 1-10% are ever disclosed. More than 1/2 of all convicted sex offenders are sent back to prison within a year. Within 2 years, 77.9% are back.
There are 400,000 registered sex offenders in the United States, and an estimated 80,000 to 100,000 of them are missing.

I'm not Christian, I'm not republican, I'm not homophobic and I support equal rights for all. But special treatment that endangers children for the sake of political correctness is far less reasonable than preventing perverts, which are all over the place, from having easy access to children.

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Just love the generalities


Sep 13, 2016, 6:20 PM [ in reply to They aren't punishing NC over a state issue. ]

"conservatives are mostly stupid." I'd say that 's everything anyone needs to know about you.

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Please read specifics then


Sep 13, 2016, 6:21 PM

http://www.ncjustice.org/?q=18-questions-18-answers-real-facts-behind-house-bill-2

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since when did common sense become bigotry>?


Sep 13, 2016, 6:24 PM [ in reply to They aren't punishing NC over a state issue. ]

ffs a man has no business in a womens rest room...yes if a man gets ##### and takes estrogen he is still a man i dont care how you try to spin it

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The bathroom thing is about 1% of the bill***


Sep 13, 2016, 6:24 PM



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That's either a lie or a blunder. Here is the actual bill.


Sep 13, 2016, 6:52 PM

http://www.ncleg.net/Sessions/2015E2/Bills/House/PDF/H2v1.pdf

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Can you explain this part of the bill?


Sep 13, 2016, 8:15 PM

Specifically, ### does any of this have to do with the bathroom?

PART II. STATEWIDE CONSISTENCY IN LAWS RELATED TO EMPLOYMENT AND
28 CONTRACTING
29 SECTION 2.1. G.S. 95-25.1 reads as rewritten:
30 "§ 95-25.1. Short title and legislative purpose.purpose; local governments preempted.
31 (a) This Article shall be known and may be cited as the "Wage and Hour Act."
32 (b) The public policy of this State is declared as follows: The wage levels of employees,
33 hours of labor, payment of earned wages, and the well-being of minors are subjects of concern
34 requiring legislation to promote the general welfare of the people of the State without jeopardizing
35 the competitive position of North Carolina business and industry. The General Assembly declares
36 that the general welfare of the State requires the enactment of this law under the police power of
37 the State.
38 (c) The provisions of this Article supersede and preempt any ordinance, regulation,
39 resolution, or policy adopted or imposed by a unit of local government or other political
40 subdivision of the State that regulates or imposes any requirement upon an employer pertaining to
41 compensation of employees, such as the wage levels of employees, hours of labor, payment of
42 earned wages, benefits, leave, or well-being of minors in the workforce. This subsection shall not
43 apply to any of the following:
44 (1) A local government regulating, compensating, or controlling its own
45 employees.
46 (2) Economic development incentives awarded under Part 2H of Article 10 of
47 Chapter 143B of the General Statutes.
48 (3) Economic development incentives awarded under Article 1 of Chapter 158 of
49 the General Statutes.
50 (4) A requirement of federal community development block grants.
51 (5) Programs established under G.S. 153A-376 or G.S. 160A-456."
General Assembly Of North Carolina Second Extra Session 2016
Page 4 House Bill 2-First Edition
1 SECTION 2.2. G.S. 153A-449(a) reads as rewritten:
2 "(a) Authority. – A county may contract with and appropriate money to any person,
3 association, or corporation, in order to carry out any public purpose that the county is authorized
4 by law to engage in. A county may not require a private contractor under this section to abide by
5 any restriction that the county could not impose on all employers in the county, such as paying
6 minimum wage or providing paid sick leave to its employees, regulations or controls on the
7 contractor's employment practices or mandate or prohibit the provision of goods, services, or
8 accommodations to any member of the public as a condition of bidding on a contract.contract or a
9 qualification-based selection, except as otherwise required by State law."
10 SECTION 2.3. G.S. 160A-20.1(a) reads as rewritten:
11 "(a) Authority. – A city may contract with and appropriate money to any person,
12 association, or corporation, in order to carry out any public purpose that the city is authorized by
13 law to engage in. A city may not require a private contractor under this section to abide by any
14 restriction that the city could not impose on all employers in the city, such as paying minimum
15 wage or providing paid sick leave to its employees, regulations or controls on the contractor's
16 employment practices or mandate or prohibit the provision of goods, services, or accommodations
17 to any member of the public as a condition of bidding on a contract.contract or a
18 qualification-based selection, except as otherwise required by State law."
19
20 PART III. PROTECTION OF RIGHTS IN EMPLOYMENT AND PUBLIC
21 ACCOMMODATIONS
22 SECTION 3.1. G.S. 143-422.2 reads as rewritten:
23 "§ 143-422.2. Legislative declaration.
24 (a) It is the public policy of this State to protect and safeguard the right and opportunity of
25 all persons to seek, obtain and hold employment without discrimination or abridgement on
26 account of race, religion, color, national origin, age, biological sex or handicap by employers
27 which regularly employ 15 or more employees.
28 (b) It is recognized that the practice of denying employment opportunity and
29 discriminating in the terms of employment foments domestic strife and unrest, deprives the State
30 of the fullest utilization of its capacities for advancement and development, and substantially and
31 adversely affects the interests of employees, employers, and the public in general.
32 (c) The General Assembly declares that the regulation of discriminatory practices in
33 employment is properly an issue of general, statewide concern, such that this Article and other
34 applicable provisions of the General Statutes supersede and preempt any ordinance, regulation,
35 resolution, or policy adopted or imposed by a unit of local government or other political
36 subdivision of the State that regulates or imposes any requirement upon an employer pertaining to
37 the regulation of discriminatory practices in employment, except such regulations applicable to
38 personnel employed by that body that are not otherwise in conflict with State law."
39 SECTION 3.2. G.S. 143-422.3 reads as rewritten:
40 "§ 143-422.3. Investigations; conciliations.
41 The Human Relations Commission in the Department of Administration shall have the
42 authority to receive charges of discrimination from the Equal Employment Opportunity
43 Commission pursuant to an agreement under Section 709(b) of Public Law 88-352, as amended by
44 Public Law 92-261, and investigate and conciliate charges of discrimination. Throughout this
45 process, the agency shall use its good offices to effect an amicable resolution of the charges of
46 discrimination. This Article does not create, and shall not be construed to create or support, a
47 statutory or common law private right of action, and no person may bring any civil action based
48 upon the public policy expressed herein."
49 SECTION 3.3. Chapter 143 of the General Statutes is amended by adding a new
50 Article to read:
51 "Article 49B.
General Assembly Of North Carolina Second Extra Session 2016
House Bill 2-First Edition Page 5
1 "Equal Access to Public Accommodations.
2 "§ 143-422.10. Short title.
3 This Article shall be known and may be cited as the Equal Access to Public Accommodations
4 Act.
5 "§ 143-422.11. Legislative declaration.
6 (a) It is the public policy of this State to protect and safeguard the right and opportunity of
7 all individuals within the State to enjoy fully and equally the goods, services, facilities, privileges,
8 advantages, and accommodations of places of public accommodation free of discrimination
9 because of race, religion, color, national origin, or biological sex, provided that designating
10 multiple or single occupancy bathrooms or changing facilities according to biological sex, as
11 defined in G.S. 143-760(a)(1), (3), and (5), shall not be deemed to constitute discrimination.
12 (b) The General Assembly declares that the regulation of discriminatory practices in places
13 of public accommodation is properly an issue of general, statewide concern, such that this Article
14 and other applicable provisions of the General Statutes supersede and preempt any ordinance,
15 regulation, resolution, or policy adopted or imposed by a unit of local government or other
16 political subdivision of the State that regulates or imposes any requirement pertaining to the
17 regulation of discriminatory practices in places of public accommodation.
18 "§ 143-422.12. Places of public accommodation – defined.
19 For purposes of this Article, places of public accommodation has the same meaning as defined
20 in G.S. 168A-3(8), but shall exclude any private club or other establishment not, in fact, open to
21 the public.
22 "§ 143-422.13. Investigations; conciliations.
23 The Human Relations Commission in the Department of Administration shall have the
24 authority to receive, investigate, and conciliate complaints of discrimination in public
25 accommodations. Throughout this process, the Human Relations Commission shall use its good
26 offices to effect an amicable resolution of the complaints of discrimination. This Article does not
27 create, and shall not be construed to create or support, a statutory or common law private right of
28 action, and no person may bring any civil action based upon the public policy expressed herein."
29
30 PART IV. SEVERABILITY
31 SECTION 4. If any provision of this act or its application is held invalid, the
32 invalidity does not affect other provisions or applications of this act that can be given effect
33 without the invalid provisions or application, and to this end the provisions of this act are
34 severable. If any provision of this act is temporarily or permanently restrained or enjoined by
35 judicial order, this act shall be enforced as though such restrained or enjoined provisions had not
36 been adopted, provided that whenever such temporary or permanent restraining order or injunction
37 is stayed, dissolved, or otherwise ceases to have effect, such provisions shall have full force and
38 effect.
39
40 PART V. EFFECTIVE DATE
41 SECTION 5. This act is effective when it becomes law and applies to any action
42 taken on or after that date, to any ordinance, resolution, regulation, or policy adopted or amended
43 on or after that date, and to any contract entered into on or after that date. The provisions of
44 Sections 2.1, 2.2, 2.3, 3.1, 3.2, and 3.3 of this act supersede and preempt any ordinance, resolution,
45 regulation, or policy adopted prior to the effective date of this act that purports to regulate a
46 subject matter preempted by this act or that violates or is not consistent with this act, and such
47 ordinances, resolutions, regulations, or policies shall be null and void as of the effective date of

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Is this the first bill you've ever seen?


Sep 14, 2016, 12:07 AM

They don't tend to be succinct. You should understand it's not like a speech that you can do a word map to find out what the emphasis is.

It's assigning jurisdiction and pre-emption. It's establishing the language and how else that language should be applied to keep all laws consistent. All of it is centered around the bathroom law. It was prompted by the bathroom law in Charlotte. The whole thing is about establishing a law with teeth that prevents cities and counties from forcing private businesses to let anyone in any bathroom.

This idea that it's designed to oppress trans-gendered people is a farce. The Charlotte law theoretically forced a children's dance studio to let a 35 year old guy in their girls bathroom. The state law would let the dance studio decide. That IS common sense.

I'm pro-gay marriage, but I'm against the government forcing compliance with irrational political correctness. I like the NC law because it lets companies decide who they let in their bathrooms. The law it superseded forced companies to comply with something that made many of its citizens fear for their children.

I as a parent should have an option to know that no men can go in the same bathroom as my daughter. I should not be forced to pretend I agree that someone with male parts is a woman, ESPECIALLY if it involves my daughter's privacy. In my opinion, that is a man, who identifies as a woman.... which I'm cool with. But If I declare myself to be a bird, I'm not a freaking bird. I'm incorrect. We can't always get what we want.

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Sep 13, 2016, 7:13 PM [ in reply to They aren't punishing NC over a state issue. ]

Lol this is the same clown Hillary shill that tried to argue she wasn't sick

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Where's the unicorn bathroom?***


Sep 13, 2016, 7:14 PM [ in reply to They aren't punishing NC over a state issue. ]



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There's something in these hills.


^^^^^


Sep 13, 2016, 8:08 PM [ in reply to They aren't punishing NC over a state issue. ]

likely employed by one of those "stupid conservatives" or living off the tax money from all those "stupid conservatives".

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“poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids.”


God does not make mistakes.***


Sep 13, 2016, 11:26 PM [ in reply to They aren't punishing NC over a state issue. ]



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Re: They aren't punishing NC over a state issue.


Sep 14, 2016, 12:25 AM [ in reply to They aren't punishing NC over a state issue. ]

You are so misguided and so intolerant!
Conservatives are mostly stupid?
You are so politically correct that you just make things up.
It is pretty simple whatever gender you are is determined by what sexual organ you have. A male is a male a female is a female and I smart enough to know this .
The issue is not the very very small # of people who may have been born with both it is people pushing a homosexual lifestyle as normal and it is not , or a transgender as normal when it is not.
I am compassionate and I do not hate anybody but this is all a bunch of PC gone crazy. If not then a third bathroom where you go alone would solve the problem.

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its vintage liberal tactics


Sep 13, 2016, 6:23 PM

trying to strong arm states and so on into thinking the way they do..a man should not be in a womans rest room..if that makes me a bigot then im proud to be a bigot

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Please, Please, for the love of God


Sep 13, 2016, 6:24 PM

Read the actual law, or in this case, read what's actually in the law.

http://www.ncjustice.org/?q=18-questions-18-answers-real-facts-behind-house-bill-2

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i have and the reaction is stupid..


Sep 13, 2016, 6:26 PM

that pos trash hillary accepts money from countries that throw gays off of rooftops but alas lets cry because a man isnt allowed to go in a bathroom with a woman

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What you're showing me


Sep 13, 2016, 6:28 PM

Is that you either haven't read the bill, or don't actually understand what you've read. It has very little to do with "the bathroom" and in any case, I thought conservatives were for local government. This bill takes away all local control.

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It removes local government control over private business.


Sep 13, 2016, 6:51 PM

The Charlotte law forced businesses to comply while the state law does not.

Your magical link is mostly subjective.

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It's mostly subjective


Sep 13, 2016, 8:11 PM

Please explain. I don't think you know what that word means. Subjective doesn't mean "it says things I don't like".

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It's 90% opinionated commentary. It doesn't cite half of its


Sep 14, 2016, 12:12 AM

claims. It's not an honest attempt to understand the law.

Specific example? It declares that the law unconstitutional without walking the reader through any justification of that claim.

Does the bill allow bullying of transgendered children specifically or LGBT children generally in school?

No, not explicitly. But think of the signals it sends to both the oppressed and the oppressor.


That's way out in left field. No justification. It simply gives businesses the right to enforce their own bathroom policy and legally establishes some standards for privacy in public restrooms.

Your link is propaganda that you like. There is propaganda that agrees with me as well, but I won't link anyone to it.

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Re: What you're showing me


Sep 14, 2016, 12:31 AM [ in reply to What you're showing me ]

I will admit I read some of what you posted and it is such legalize that I don't even know which side of the argument you are on.
That is one problem with any issue lawyers and politician can make anything simple complicated.
Such as gender!

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Re: What you're showing me


Sep 14, 2016, 12:37 AM

There is not one person on this board or one person who wrote that law that could understand what the heck it is talking about.
But I know this men go in the men's restroom and women go in the women.

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well, they punished SC over a flag.***


Sep 13, 2016, 7:01 PM



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it is clear, you will submit to the federal government or else***


Sep 13, 2016, 7:04 PM



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Re: How can the NCAA punish NC over a State issue


Sep 13, 2016, 8:04 PM

See the Confederate Flag in SC.

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This quote from Jerry Tarkanian might help....


Sep 13, 2016, 9:48 PM

"The NCAA is so mad at Kentucky they're going to give Cleveland State another year of probation."

Jerry Tarkanian

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Re: How can the NCAA punish NC over a State issue


Sep 13, 2016, 11:22 PM

Does the NCAA allow Transgender athletes to play in the sport of their choosing; ie can a man play woman's basketball or soccer? This is a serious question. If not why not and if not then are they not hypocrites also deserving of boycott?

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Re: How can the NCAA punish NC over a State issue


Sep 14, 2016, 7:29 AM

Look at this bigot getting mad because the NCAA is standing up for the Trans community.

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is it very much like terrorism or secret police isn't it


Sep 14, 2016, 7:33 AM

And right here in our own backyard and supported by the powers that be. Scare a state or nation into adopting policies the population does not support.

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One more time! Caitlynn Jenner, by current NC law..


Sep 14, 2016, 12:32 PM

would be in the men's bathroom, along with Chaz Bono and every other male changed to female. Your daughters would be in the ladies' room with any female who has been changed into a male! The law is a poorly written piece of crap which specifies "gender at birth", and needs to be thrown out as a poorly thought out piece of balderdash as well as unenforceable.

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