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Orange Blooded [3521]
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Please explain JD & Judah Davis' recruitment to me
May 28, 2014, 3:17 PM
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They were listed last year and now they're listed again this year. Since I haven't seen them play how about a prognostication.
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Accepted grey shirt offers last year
May 28, 2014, 3:18 PM
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so they count towards this year's class. They were mistakenly counted twice I believe
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Re: Please explain JD & Judah Davis' recruitment to me
May 28, 2014, 3:42 PM
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Two extremes on this. Those who would never question anything Dabo does say these twins are the next Humphries, will surprise people despite not even starting on their high school team, and are young so they will mature into future stud LB's bc its in the blood. Don't count them out etc.
The other extreme considers this equivalent to an NCAA sanction by wasting two schollies, akin to nepotism. They don't see any way they contribute other than being thumpers or special team players (similar to what they would consider another wasted scholarship in Greenlee). They point to the players we could take if those scholarships were available and pound on their keyboards in the hope that someone will listen.
So the prognostication is either superstar gems or never seeing the field. Rivals has them at 5.2 which basically means Rivals 'experts' don't see the twins as D-1 caliber prospects. No other offers and not much production to go off of in high school.
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Here's a hint...if you can't start in high school, then you
May 28, 2014, 3:47 PM
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shouldnt be on a top 15 caliber team. They will serve as nothing more than tackling dummies on scholarship. this is just a big favor to Jeff Davis.
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Re: Here's a hint...if you can't start in high school, then you
May 28, 2014, 3:50 PM
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thanks for your prognosis phil steele. how many times have you "not" seen them play. only way to tell if it is just a favor will be 3 or 4 years from now.
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Re: Here's a hint...if you can't start in high school, then you
May 28, 2014, 4:00 PM
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And predictably there are the two opinions on the twins summed up by deroberts and the above poster. Awesomeness.
deroberts says trust the coaches--who are you to speak, you internet keyboard expert type guy. No one can know these kinds of things despite star rankings correlating with the NFL draft pretty remarkably.
Then you get the other side who knows they will amount to nothing.
No middle ground on this one it seems--you are either an 'all in' fan, a true fan who trusts the coaches and pumps sunshine or a dirty coot for not having faith in a pretty accomplished group of recruiting coaches. Polarizing.
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Re:Or you could be a goober.***
May 28, 2014, 4:11 PM
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Re:Or you could be a goober.***
May 28, 2014, 4:16 PM
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thanks for taking care of my light work. lol
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if the worst they turn out to be is high character, high
May 28, 2014, 4:14 PM
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iq, quality football players & leaders, you really can't have enough of those young men on your team. there's much, much more to a team dynamic than simply 4 quarters on saturday. crap, you can't question the pedigree.
just for kicks, scout does have them as 3* with one of the brothers rated.
who knows?
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Re: if the worst they turn out to be is high character, high
May 28, 2014, 4:18 PM
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there you go bringing facts in here.
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I think y'all need to hug.***
May 28, 2014, 4:24 PM
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or you could crawl back under your rock
May 28, 2014, 4:26 PM
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goober.
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Oh no......deroberts waht have you done to dsp?
May 28, 2014, 4:28 PM
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Was there alcohol involved?
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Re: Oh no......deroberts waht have you done to dsp?
May 28, 2014, 4:34 PM
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lol, thought i was agreeing with him.
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You did.....which is why I asked.***
May 28, 2014, 4:34 PM
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what was solomon's shortcomings? that's as good as he was
May 28, 2014, 6:05 PM
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going to get, size, attitude, school or other?
i played with a lot of great hs players, doesn't mean they projected beyond hampden-sydney where they played.
has nothing to do with the davis twins or the 30ish D1 players solomon beat out for the shrine bowl honor.
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Re: Here's a hint...if you can't start in high school, then you
May 28, 2014, 4:08 PM
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no way, how could you possibly know that. oh wait, i bet you have actually seen them play.
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Orange Blooded [2507]
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I know them and their father very well
May 28, 2014, 4:10 PM
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the twins definitely look the part at around 6'2" and have filled out their frames well. They are smart, like to hit, and are determined to prove everyone wrong that they aren't just legacy offers but can play as well.
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yes- not sure where they didn't start thing came from--
May 28, 2014, 4:12 PM
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was pretty sure they did.
I believe they were also 16 when they graduated-- a year early-- the greyshirt really puts them back in the class they should be in --- would have been similar to the Hairston and Barry Richardson? situations as far as age when they first came to CU
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Wait...
May 28, 2014, 4:23 PM
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they didn't start at their own high school???
Jesus Christ...
Were we their only offers? Coastal? SC State? Citadel? Presbyterian? Greenville Tech?
Those two scholarships are going to come back and bite us in the butt at some point.
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Re: Wait...
May 28, 2014, 4:24 PM
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goober alert. lol
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Or
May 28, 2014, 4:42 PM
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a man who watched us tell Wesley Green and DJ Smith that we were full and then watched them go to our in-state rival.
I just don't understand giving out scholarships to future special team players who were ranked last in the state for 2014... then again ranked last in the state for 2015.
Not a fan of buddy-ball especially with numbers being tight.
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Re: Or
May 28, 2014, 4:45 PM
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Nah I am going to stick with deroberts on this one and that is a rarity.
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Re: Or
May 28, 2014, 4:48 PM
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like i said, we will know in 3 or 4 years if it was a mistake. i aint throwing any kid under the bus because cris ard didnt give them a star. last i checked levon kirkland was a 1 star.
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Re: Or
May 28, 2014, 4:53 PM
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We will see.
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Not true....
May 28, 2014, 7:51 PM
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they started and both had over 100 tackles for the season..Regardless of how one wants to debate their recruiting , they were excellent high school players , had impressive stats, and were known for being physical, and good team leaders...
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While they are certainly not infallible....
May 28, 2014, 4:58 PM
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they have absolutely earned and deserve the benefit of the doubt.
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Re: While they are certainly not infallible....
May 28, 2014, 5:01 PM
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They won't ever take a ship. They will come in during the spring play spring ball and know they are out matched. Claim some type of medical hardship and the school will be paid for the rest of the time.
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Re: While they are certainly not infallible....
May 28, 2014, 5:02 PM
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wow, nostradumbass has spoken.
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By all accounts....
May 28, 2014, 5:06 PM
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the Davis twins are two very hard working high character kids. Frankly, I would be shocked if they didn't work their was into seeing some playing time.
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Re: By all accounts....
May 28, 2014, 5:45 PM
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I thought it was interesting that of all the LBers we brought in last cycle, the Davis twins might be the most prototypical LBs, in terms of size, we brought in.
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Re: Pls explain JD & Judah Davis' recruitment - Oprah called
May 28, 2014, 4:21 PM
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and said "you get a scholarship, and you get one and so on"? 
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On the surface their recruitment would seem to be
May 28, 2014, 4:24 PM
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largely politically motivated legacy signees based on their being the sons of former Clemson great and current staff member Jeff Davis. Clemson was their only Division 1 offer if not their only collegiate offer period which further adds to the speculation.
That said, Dabo and his staff are excellent recruiters and evaluators of talent, and they have absolutely earned and deserve the benefit of the doubt.
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Re: On the surface their recruitment would seem to be
May 28, 2014, 4:53 PM
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I agree with every word... hit the nail on the head!!
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Why couldn't they just walk on?
May 28, 2014, 5:22 PM
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Jeff Davis played in the NFL for 6 years and was a starter for at least 4 or 5. Surely he has enough money saved up to put his kids through school.
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Re: Why couldn't they just walk on?
May 28, 2014, 5:24 PM
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my thoughts exactly.
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Why spend money on college if you can get a free ride?***
May 28, 2014, 5:49 PM
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Re: Why couldn't they just walk on?
May 28, 2014, 6:39 PM
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How old are you? Do you have any idea who Jeff Davis is? How can anyone who is actually a Clemson fan publicly complain about offering these kids a scholarship? We have to listen to all the slings and arrows about Dabo's coaching ability, but his recruiting is above reproach.
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Re: Jeff does not walk on water. I hope that his sons earn
May 28, 2014, 9:34 PM
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these two scholarships but this kind of business certainly raise red flags.
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Re: Why couldn't they just walk on?
May 28, 2014, 6:46 PM
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Playing under a scholarship is worth more than its dollar value. It's an honor. And how do you know Jeff Davis hasn't given the cost of their education ten-fold to the school of the years?
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Re: That still does not justify it.***
May 28, 2014, 9:35 PM
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Re: That still does not justify it.***
May 29, 2014, 5:06 PM
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Well, that's a difference of opinion, not a fact, and it appears that the people pulling the strings agree with my assessment not yours. It's funny, you are one of the biggest complainers on here. You think Clemson should make moves to appease you as a fan just because. You whine and moan as though your voice has some value and should be heard. But what you keep saying is that the folks who actually contribute meaningfully to this University deserve nothing? I don't think Jeff Davis walks on water. And I don't think we have some great history of wasting legacy scholarships. So, essentially, voicing any opinion on this situation is p*ssing and moaning for no reason and only serves to tear down the children of one of our great players. Way to represent. I wish I knew why my ignore filter constantly gets turned off.
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But are true but falsely conflated. One has nothing to
May 28, 2014, 7:00 PM
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do with the other.
I highly question what is going on with these 2, as do most whether they admit it or not.
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Re: Yes, it is their butts that are in the sling. They have
May 28, 2014, 9:30 PM
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no room to play with scholarships nor should they. We have to make everyone count Giving scholarships to staff members and trustee's sons can bite you in the butt. For his sake, I hope he is right. IPTAY members will be scrutinizing several of these in the next two or three years.
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Speaking of the aforementioned "GOOBER", maybe you
May 29, 2014, 1:22 AM
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should wave a 'white flag' on this topic...
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Re: I will be watching the outcome. Apparently, many
May 29, 2014, 11:23 AM
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others will be too Goober Boy.
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peanut calling someone a 'goober'... I'll defer to your
May 29, 2014, 6:18 PM
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expertass... soaked and salted before the boil.
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If they were players not named Davis and Dabo wanted
May 29, 2014, 11:52 AM
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to take a chance on them, I'd be more inclined to agree with you. But I've seen these two, they have no business being anything more than walk on legacies. Yet we wasted two schollies on them. They are self imposed sanctions. And its not like Jeff Davis cannot afford their tuition too. I dont see any reason for this, other than a big "Thank you" to Jeff.
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Re: I have never seen them play but I certainly hope you
May 29, 2014, 4:34 PM
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are wrong in your assessments.
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