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Has Clemson had 2 players invited to the same NBA combine?
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Has Clemson had 2 players invited to the same NBA combine?

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May 16, 2023, 9:15 AM

Hunter Tyson and PJ Hall each have looked good in scrimmages.

Next year we could have 3 or even 4 players invited to the combine.... Girard, PJ Hall, Chase Hunter, and maybe even Jack Clark.

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So you’re saying Brad has talent and still can’t make the

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May 16, 2023, 9:25 AM

Big Dance. Pathetic

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Re: So you’re saying Brad has talent and still can’t make the

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May 16, 2023, 10:03 AM

If you watched our basketball team this year and didn't realize we had talent, then I don't really know what to tell you.

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Re: So you’re saying Brad has talent and still can’t make the

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May 16, 2023, 10:52 AM

Cool, bro.

Explain how a team this talented had multiple quad 4 losses.

Could it be coaching?

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Re: So you’re saying Brad has talent and still can’t make the

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May 16, 2023, 11:13 AM

Did you watch those quad 4 losses?

Is it your assumption that if a team has a bad night shooting, that it is 100% the coaches fault?

It is 100% on Brownell that his league leading 3 point shooting and ft shooting team shot 21% from 3 (on many wide open misses) and only 57% from the line?

If an off shooting night is 100% on Brownell, is it also 100% on Brownell when we have a great shooting night?

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4 times is a pattern***

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May 16, 2023, 12:37 PM



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Strange how no other teams ever have poor shooting nights


May 17, 2023, 7:24 AM [ in reply to Re: So you’re saying Brad has talent and still can’t make the ]

Just Brads team. Strange.

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May 19, 2023, 9:14 AM [ in reply to Re: So you’re saying Brad has talent and still can’t make the ]

Maybe, just maybe, the coach intervenes to change up the strategy and/or decisions/shot selections being made by the team when things get cold. Or they just sit idle and watch the fire spread.

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Re: So you’re saying Brad has talent and still can’t make the

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May 16, 2023, 10:58 AM [ in reply to Re: So you’re saying Brad has talent and still can’t make the ]

Yes, the talent that saw us get embarrassed in the 1st round of the NIT. That talent?

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May 16, 2023, 11:07 AM

So you are saying if you have 2 players on your team that get invited to the combine, and a good coach to go along with it, it is impossible to get upset?

Is that your understanding of basketball?

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May 16, 2023, 2:01 PM

I'm generally accustomed to bragging on players who actually win things. Like tournaments or championships. Be curious to know what your "understanding" is.....lol

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Re: So you’re saying Brad has talent and still can’t make the


May 17, 2023, 7:25 AM [ in reply to Re: So you’re saying Brad has talent and still can’t make the ]

So, who is his good coach you speak of?

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May 17, 2023, 8:01 AM [ in reply to Re: So you’re saying Brad has talent and still can’t make the ]

In my opinion, Brownell is like hte Tommy Bowden of basketball. He's going to get an occasional big win, he's going to have a decent record, high graduation rate, no players embarrassing the University. Problem is, he's not going to get you to elite status because he's more Tommy Bowden than Bobby...

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May 18, 2023, 1:12 PM [ in reply to Re: So you’re saying Brad has talent and still can’t make the ]

Lol, Your excuses for the basketball team sound like my teenager trying to explain to me why he didn't do his chores." I couldn't find the mop, the rake was broken. The leaves are wet." An excuse for everything failure

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Re: So you’re saying Brad has talent and still can’t make the

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May 16, 2023, 11:07 AM [ in reply to Re: So you’re saying Brad has talent and still can’t make the ]

I think his point was how could a team with this much talent continue to miss the Big Dance...

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May 16, 2023, 11:28 AM [ in reply to Re: So you’re saying Brad has talent and still can’t make the ]

All that talent and we still lost to Louisville, Loyola-Chicago, SCAR, and laid that big turd against Morehead State. If the talent was there, I wonder what other factors could have lead the team to lose all those games?

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that Big Turd still stinks too***


May 16, 2023, 2:54 PM



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Lol.

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May 16, 2023, 12:24 PM [ in reply to Re: So you’re saying Brad has talent and still can’t make the ]

I bet your better half wins all the arguments:)

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May 17, 2023, 8:18 AM [ in reply to Re: So you’re saying Brad has talent and still can’t make the ]

Don’t confuse tnetters with facts,

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May 16, 2023, 9:49 AM

Agree it’s pathetic we cannot make the dance and you reaching with those players being invited

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May 16, 2023, 10:00 AM

How am I reaching? Did PJ Hall and Hunter Tyson get invited to the combine or not?

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Getting invited doesn’t mean they’ll get drafted…


May 19, 2023, 9:17 AM

But, it’s a decent sign. Not a slam dunk though.

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Good question, also how long has the combine been around?***

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May 16, 2023, 10:57 AM



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I don't think this information makes the point you intended.***

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May 16, 2023, 10:57 AM



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Re: I don't think this information makes the point you intended.***

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May 16, 2023, 11:05 AM

What point was I intending?

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The opposite of the one you made.***

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May 16, 2023, 11:29 AM



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Re: I don't think this information makes the point you intended.***

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May 16, 2023, 11:32 AM [ in reply to Re: I don't think this information makes the point you intended.*** ]

Well, that's the question, isn't it?

Perhaps you simply wanted a trivia-question answered.

But the gist I think most people took was that you were somehow laying it out there that Clemson had talent last year. Two players invited to the combine! What a glorious year!

In that case, the obvious response is "With all that talent, why did we have all those bad losses?" And an obvious answer is "Coaching."

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May 16, 2023, 11:56 AM

Ok. If every upset means you have bad coaching, does that mean that our football team has bad coaching?

I certainly don't think so, but our football team seems to get upset once a year. Is that on our staff?

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May 16, 2023, 1:08 PM

When Dabo loses to the Citadel, I'll be inclined to think he's lost his edge. The basketball losses are not "upsets", where "on paper" the team is favored with a line of 4.5 points or something. Those losses were to teams that on paper should not have bothered to make the trip, they were upsets like the Washington Generals beating the Globetrotters, like the Jamaican bobsled team taking home gold.

Not every loss traces to a coaching or talent flaw. You're right, sometimes the planets align and App State beats Michigan in football. But when that sort of thing happens MULTIPLE TIMES, and seemingly year after year after year with different sets of players, then yeah, the common thread is coaching.

The football loss to SCAR made a lot of people question Dabo last year, as did the beatdown handed out by ND. That's undeniable even though you act like it never happened. But what did he do about that? Took it as a wakeup call and seriously shook things up. He seems pretty determined to never let it happen again, and certainly not multiple times in one year.

He also took full responsibility, e.g., after the ND loss:

We gave up a score on offense, a score on special teams and a score on defense, that's the first time that's happened since I've been a head coach," said Swinney, in his 14th full season as Clemson's coach. "We just got out-coached in every facet of the game. That's on me. It's my responsibility.

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May 16, 2023, 1:39 PM [ in reply to Re: I don't think this information makes the point you intended.*** ]

Also, football has a 100-5 record against unranked opponents since the start of the 2012 season, and has won the benchmark 10 games for 12 years running, finished ranked in the top 25 for the same 12 years, played in 6 consecutive CFP (winning 2 National Championships) finishing in the top 5 for each of those 6 years, and had 5 undefeated conference seasons and 6 conference championships.

The 5 bad losses:

2023 SCAR
2023 ND
2021 NCSU
2017 Syracuse
2016 Pitt

None of those are to the football equivalent of Loyola-Chicago or Morehead State.

And, of course, after Pitt loss, Clemson went to the CFP and won a National Championship. After the Syracuse loss, Clemson went to the CFP (lost to Alabama in Sugar Bowl). NCSU, ND, and SCAR can all be pinned on Dabo's questionable commitment to supporting DJU (although the NCSU game was probably the first time the rest of the world became aware of DJU's flaws). Thankfully, that experiment is over.

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May 16, 2023, 1:52 PM

You are correct.

It sounds like getting upset by a team you are way better than happens even to elite teams.

Also I would say losing to a 4-8 syracuse team in football is just as bad as getting upset by Morehead st in basketball.

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Are you comparing the 2017 football team to...

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May 16, 2023, 1:58 PM

to the 22-23 basketball team?

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May 18, 2023, 12:39 PM


to the 22-23 basketball team?




Learn to read.

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Well…

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May 18, 2023, 1:06 PM

Based on your comment…

“Also I would say losing to a 4-8 syracuse team in football (this happened in 2017) is just as bad as getting upset by Morehead st in basketball. (this happened in 2023).”

I’d say that’s exactly the comparison you are making.




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Re: Well…


May 18, 2023, 1:41 PM

hmmmm. I guess you are kind of right if you are specifically speaking about upsets.

I was responding to another person's post and speaking specifically in the context that being upset by a worse team isn't unique to Brownell. I was citing that even Elite teams, like Clemson football get upset. Here is the full response in context.

You are correct.

It sounds like getting upset by a team you are way better than happens even to elite teams.

Also I would say losing to a 4-8 syracuse team in football is just as bad as getting upset by Morehead st in basketball.

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Any team is capable of being upset...

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May 18, 2023, 1:57 PM

but the fact that you went back 5 seasons to find a comp loss in football, where we only have to go back a few weeks/months (Louisville, Boston College, Loyola Chicago, South Carolina) to find additional comp losses in basketball, tells us all we need to know about the comparison.

https://bballnet.com/teams/clemson




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Re: Any team is capable of being upset...

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There appear to be 5 Clemson basketball losses in 22-23...

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May 18, 2023, 2:14 PM

comparable to our 2017 Syracuse loss in football. Not to mention that the 2017 football team went on to make the college football playoffs and finished ranked #4 in the country. Our 22-23 basketball team didn't even make the playoffs and finished unranked. But we can hang our basketball hats on the tie for 3rd in the ACC regular season final ranking.

Morehead State plus...

Boston College: 16-17
South Carolina: 11-21
Loyola Chicago: 10-21
Louisville: 4-28




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Ever thought about a career mentoring children?

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May 18, 2023, 2:24 PM

You're very good at it.

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Francis Marion is not allowed to be within 100 feet

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May 18, 2023, 2:29 PM

of a child at any time

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A couple of other salient points...

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May 18, 2023, 2:28 PM [ in reply to There appear to be 5 Clemson basketball losses in 22-23... ]

- the loss to Syracuse was a road game, while the loss to Morehead State was at home

- we lost our quarterback (one of the most critical positions) to injury in the first half against Syracuse

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It's a Bradball post so countless "reasons" are allowed...

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May 18, 2023, 2:41 PM

and in fact encouraged by some, so...

- It was a short week, a Friday night game in Cuse.

- It was also the 13th, no good can come of that.

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Do we know if CBB went to...

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May 18, 2023, 2:42 PM

the Morehead State locker room to congratulate them on the win?

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In Bradball's defense, I doubt he could find it...***

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May 18, 2023, 4:39 PM [ in reply to Do we know if CBB went to... ]

All teams are capable of getting upset, even elite teams. That is a correct statement.

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Re: Do we know if CBB went to...

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May 18, 2023, 5:26 PM

“ All teams are capable of getting upset, even elite teams.” =/= A third place ACC team crapping the bed against 3 quad 4 opponents.

It is unheard of.

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It’s in relative terms


May 19, 2023, 9:22 AM [ in reply to Well… ]

Imo

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May 16, 2023, 3:20 PM [ in reply to Re: I don't think this information makes the point you intended.*** ]

If that's true in your dimension, then there's no further basis for discussion as you're not living in any reality that I can comprehend.

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Sure sounds like something jk would say.

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May 17, 2023, 7:27 AM [ in reply to Re: I don't think this information makes the point you intended.*** ]

Interesting.

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May 19, 2023, 9:20 AM [ in reply to Re: I don't think this information makes the point you intended.*** ]

Yep, it has been at least, imo. OCs have contributed greatly to most of our losses the last 5 years.

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Re: Has Clemson had 2 players invited to the same NBA combine?

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May 16, 2023, 11:30 AM

Clown post

Is this post meant to show how bad Brownell is as a coach or how little you actually know about Clemson basketball?

We have had multiple draft picks in 5 drafts. We had 3 draft picks in 1986. We had 14 picks over 9 consecutive drafts from 1980 to 1988. Thanks for proving demonstrably that you aren’t a Clemson basketball fan and that your arguments about our history are completely false.


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Brownell @Clemson: 8 seasons ranked 50th or worse by Sports Reference’s SRS
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142, 161, 294, 307, 293, 166, 225, 180, 260, 164, 141, 72, 68 - assist rankings amongst all D1 programs during Brownell's tenure


Re: Has Clemson had 2 players invited to the same NBA combine?

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May 16, 2023, 12:02 PM

Ok so what you are saying is that we have not had multiple players invited/would be invited to the combine since the 80's. Wow that is long time...

How does this post make it so I'm not a Clemson basketball fan? A tad dramatic eh? Wow.

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Re: Has Clemson had 2 players invited to the same NBA combine?

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May 16, 2023, 12:23 PM

“ Has Clemson had 2 players invited to the same NBA combine?”

So youre changing the question because you didn’t realize how foolish it was?

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1-29: Brad Brownell road record against ranked ACC opponents
142, 161, 294, 307, 293, 166, 225, 180, 260, 164, 141, 72, 68 - assist rankings amongst all D1 programs during Brownell's tenure


Re: Has Clemson had 2 players invited to the same NBA combine?


May 16, 2023, 2:27 PM

No. Try and keep up.

You said this.... "Thanks for proving demonstrably that you aren’t a Clemson basketball fan and that your arguments about our history are completely false."

You told me that my arguments about our history are completely false. My argument about our history is that historically we have had one of the worst basketball programs in the ACC.

I asked you where we rank among ACC teams from our programs inception - Oliver Purnell. You still have not answered the question.

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May 16, 2023, 3:14 PM

You’ve going totally off the deep end. I replied directly to your op. You’re completely making stuff up now.

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Jstone D329 - “ It’s ok to want a coaching change”
Brownell @Clemson: 8 seasons ranked 50th or worse by Sports Reference’s SRS
1-29: Brad Brownell road record against ranked ACC opponents
142, 161, 294, 307, 293, 166, 225, 180, 260, 164, 141, 72, 68 - assist rankings amongst all D1 programs during Brownell's tenure


Re: Has Clemson had 2 players invited to the same NBA combine?


May 17, 2023, 9:48 AM

Yes. Here's how the post sequence went down since you can't quite keep up. I will even use your quotes.

1. I made the OP about our players being invited to the combine. It is great for our guys, and I was genuinely wondering. I wasn't sure if there was a season where marquise reed and Elijah Thomas got invited. Or cliff hammonds and James Mayes. Or demontez stitt and jerai grant.

2. You responded with these sweet excerpts, " Is this post meant to show how bad Brownell is as a coach or how little you actually know about Clemson basketball" and "Thanks for proving demonstrably that you aren’t a Clemson basketball fan and that your arguments about our history are completely false." Dramatic l know. You also added that we had multiple players drafted in the same draft class multiple times nearly 40 years ago. Great! That wasn't the question nor is that really relevant to the current landscape. Pj hall is also likely coming back and Tyson likely won't get drafted, so I don't know what you are trying to compare. Apparently the combine started in the late 70's and there isn't much relevant data on who attended.

3. I responded directly to your post. Do you not understand how a message board works?

Again, you have the emotional intelligence of a 3 year old. Your response to my OP is insane and just proves how triggered you are by brownell and our basketball program. You are not capable of having any sort of serious discussion of our basketball program. I'm about to donate to this site just so I can block you. Good work. Lol.

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May 18, 2023, 8:48 AM

1. Not what your op said

2. The league has been running a combine since 1987. I have no idea who has and hasn’t been invited. There isn’t a single site - not even one from the NBA - that has kept track because no one GAF. The goal is to be drafted. We’ve had multiple drafted numerous times which supercedes a combine invite. More people go to the NBA combine than there are actual draft spots. It’s not equivalent of the NFL combine where, barring disaster, every invitee is drafted. Your inquiry was insincere and your point was moot.

3. Yes, I know how message boards work. You thought you had a point. You didn’t. You’ve been roasted repeatedly by numerous users and your only response is keep mindlessly shilling for Brownell.

4. You should pay for the your membership.

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142, 161, 294, 307, 293, 166, 225, 180, 260, 164, 141, 72, 68 - assist rankings amongst all D1 programs during Brownell's tenure


Re: Has Clemson had 2 players invited to the same NBA combine?


May 18, 2023, 12:58 PM

Man, you are something special. The original question was, "Has Clemson had 2 players invited to the same NBA combine?"

You told me you answered directly but you didn't at all. Here was your response. It was a psychotic, unhinged, deranged response.

"Clown post. Is this post meant to show how bad Brownell is as a coach or how little you actually know about Clemson basketball? We have had multiple draft picks in 5 drafts. We had 3 draft picks in 1986. We had 14 picks over 9 consecutive drafts from 1980 to 1988. Thanks for proving demonstrably that you aren’t a Clemson basketball fan and that your arguments about our history are completely false."

Not only did this not answer my question, but you went off the rails. When I responded to your post, you accused me of getting off topic. LMAO. Classic move from the mentally unhinged: Blame others of doing exactly what you are doing.

So again, I'm not sure if you are sniffing glue, doing drugs, drunk or all of the above. Nothing you have posted in this thread was related to the original topic.

Unless you post proof otherwise, since the combine has started, Clemson has not had 2 players invited in the same year.

And again, being invited to the combine is much different than getting drafted. A lot of people get invited to the combine that don't get drafted. They are not related.

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Re: Has Clemson had 2 players invited to the same NBA combine?

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May 18, 2023, 2:13 PM

“ Unless you post proof otherwise, since the combine has started, Clemson has not had 2 players invited in the same year.” So, you say a thing and if someone doesn’t go to the trouble of definitively disproving you then, in your mind, it defaults to truth? And I’m “unhinged”.

I’ll play your way. ESPN took a poll and voted Brad Brownell the worst coach in the history of basketball. Please provide definitive proof this didn’t happen or it must be true.

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142, 161, 294, 307, 293, 166, 225, 180, 260, 164, 141, 72, 68 - assist rankings amongst all D1 programs during Brownell's tenure


Re: Has Clemson had 2 players invited to the same NBA combine?


May 18, 2023, 4:44 PM

See here is the thing. I am not an insane person. I don't know if that poll happened or not, so I'm not going to comment on that or say that you are wrong.

You on the other hand went on a wild tangent, telling me that I didn't know anything about basketball or our history. You then went on to say that we had multiple people drafted in the same class nearly 40 years ago. I never mentioned players drafted, and being drafted has nothing to do with being invited to the combine. A lot of people that are invited don't get drafted.

IMO if you are going to call somebody stupid, and tell them they are wrong, you have the burden to prove they are wrong. You never did that.

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Re: Has Clemson had 2 players invited to the same NBA combine?


May 18, 2023, 5:28 PM

If you understand that more people get invited to the combine than actually get drafted how do you not understand the pertinence of us having had 5 drafts with multiple draftees to your original question?

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Re: Has Clemson had 2 players invited to the same NBA combine?


May 16, 2023, 12:02 PM [ in reply to Re: Has Clemson had 2 players invited to the same NBA combine? ]

Ok so what you are saying is that we have not had multiple players invited/would be invited to the combine since the 80's. Wow that is long time...

How does this post make it so I'm not a Clemson basketball fan? A tad dramatic eh? Wow.

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Re: Has Clemson had 2 players invited to the same NBA combine?


May 16, 2023, 12:26 PM

“ Ok so what you are saying is that we have not had multiple players invited/would be invited to the combine since the 80's. Wow that is long time...”

Brad has been coach for 1/3 of that time. We had 7 draft picks in the other 2/3rds. We have had 2 in his. So what’s the problem again?

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Brownell @Clemson: 8 seasons ranked 50th or worse by Sports Reference’s SRS
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142, 161, 294, 307, 293, 166, 225, 180, 260, 164, 141, 72, 68 - assist rankings amongst all D1 programs during Brownell's tenure


Re: Has Clemson had 2 players invited to the same NBA combine?


May 16, 2023, 12:46 PM

It means that we had a decent run in the early 90s with draft picks. Surprisingly in those years, our team was not good and barely had an overall winning record and never made the tourney.

We have had 5 players drafted since 1995. Brownell has 40% of those draft picks. What does that say? Does that mean Brownell is good?

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Re: Has Clemson had 2 players invited to the same NBA combine?


May 16, 2023, 11:24 PM

You picked the single most advantageous period and it still doesn’t work in your favor. Brownell has been coach 46% of that time yet accounts for 40% of draft picks. So, in one of our bleakest periods for developing talent (validating my arguments about the descending strength of the ACC) Brownell cannot outperform his meager predecessors. Imagine if Rick Barnes enjoyed the advantageous schedule that Brownell has. He might have never left and built a dynasty. Thanks for validating the Brownell is the worst coach of my lifetime.

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142, 161, 294, 307, 293, 166, 225, 180, 260, 164, 141, 72, 68 - assist rankings amongst all D1 programs during Brownell's tenure


You weren't alive for the Shyatt era?***

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May 17, 2023, 2:04 AM

He’s worse than Shyatt.

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Brownell @Clemson: 8 seasons ranked 50th or worse by Sports Reference’s SRS
1-29: Brad Brownell road record against ranked ACC opponents
142, 161, 294, 307, 293, 166, 225, 180, 260, 164, 141, 72, 68 - assist rankings amongst all D1 programs during Brownell's tenure


Re: You weren't alive for the Shyatt era?***


May 17, 2023, 9:49 AM

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Re: You weren't alive for the Shyatt era?***

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May 18, 2023, 2:50 PM [ in reply to Re: You weren't alive for the Shyatt era?*** ]

No. He's not. Not by a long shot.

I want to see CBB move along to other pastures, and the CBB sycophants are annoying.

But if there's one thing I can say about CBB, he's far better than Larry Shyatt.

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Re: You weren't alive for the Shyatt era?***


May 18, 2023, 4:07 PM

I’m being hyperbolic because the OP is a troll and, by the time I made the comment, had demonstrated that he isn’t interested in arguing facts or even being coherent. But, I think the comparison of Shyatt and Brownell is far closer than assertion that they aren’t close “by a long shot”.

Shyatt only got 5 seasons. Those seasons were monumentally depressing based on the expectation that he would be able to carry forward Barnes’ success. In those 5 seasons we finished an average of 8th in the ACC. And those weren’t even some of the most competitive ACC years. In Barnes 4 seasons 21/36 ACC teams made the tourney (58%). In Shyatt’s 5 years 20/45 made it for 44%. In Brownell’s first 5 seasons 25/66 for 38%. No one should need an advanced degree to understand what this says about the erosion of competitiveness in the ACC. Yet, playing against an inarguably easier slate of teams (this is further evidenced by the 5.52 average SOS Brad v. 6.54 average SOS Shyatt) Brad only manages to finish an average of 1 place higher in ACC standings. He simply inherited a slate of newcomers that were easier to beat and no longer faced his most difficult opponents twice every year.

If we compare the first 5 year body of work they are remarkably similar. Brad should not have been here for a year 6 by the standard established with Shyatt, much less season 14. Shyatt is well liked in the industry and had great success as an assistant. There is no meaningful way to extrapolate what would have happened if he had been given 9 more years. But I doubt it would be significantly more disappointing than the 8 we’ve gotten from Brownell so far.

Finally, I am not advocating that we should have kept Shyatt. I’m trying to point out the pure insanity that someone whose is not even appreciably better and arguably worse in his first 5 years has been given nearly triple the amount of time to not be a good basketball coach.

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Brownell @Clemson: 8 seasons ranked 50th or worse by Sports Reference’s SRS
1-29: Brad Brownell road record against ranked ACC opponents
142, 161, 294, 307, 293, 166, 225, 180, 260, 164, 141, 72, 68 - assist rankings amongst all D1 programs during Brownell's tenure


Re: You weren't alive for the Shyatt era?***


May 18, 2023, 7:22 PM

Please explain the "facts" that I am denying

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Re: You weren't alive for the Shyatt era?***


May 18, 2023, 9:12 PM

This thread in its totality is a testament to your disinterest in reality and sole intent to argue on behalf of a coaching failure. The entire second paragraph of the specific post you replied to is a set of facts with little editorializing that exposes your advocacy as complete nonsense.

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Jstone D329 - “ It’s ok to want a coaching change”
Brownell @Clemson: 8 seasons ranked 50th or worse by Sports Reference’s SRS
1-29: Brad Brownell road record against ranked ACC opponents
142, 161, 294, 307, 293, 166, 225, 180, 260, 164, 141, 72, 68 - assist rankings amongst all D1 programs during Brownell's tenure


Re: You weren't alive for the Shyatt era?***


May 18, 2023, 9:29 PM

Interesting. So if I post anything positive about our players or program, it is me advocating for brownell?

This is exactly why you can't have a rational conversation about Our basketball team. Brownell
Is Always on your mind. It's creepy and unhealthy.

It's why you will be blocked.

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Re: You weren't alive for the Shyatt era?***


May 18, 2023, 9:36 PM

It takes less than a minute to pay and doesn’t cost much. What’s the hold up? (I wouldn’t want to pay for as many scocks as you must be keeping up with)


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Jstone D329 - “ It’s ok to want a coaching change”
Brownell @Clemson: 8 seasons ranked 50th or worse by Sports Reference’s SRS
1-29: Brad Brownell road record against ranked ACC opponents
142, 161, 294, 307, 293, 166, 225, 180, 260, 164, 141, 72, 68 - assist rankings amongst all D1 programs during Brownell's tenure


Re: You weren't alive for the Shyatt era?***


May 19, 2023, 8:16 AM

Lmao. When you have been totally beat down in this thread, you respond with accusations of me having burner accounts!

You never ceases to embarrass yourself.

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Re: You weren't alive for the Shyatt era?***


May 19, 2023, 11:26 AM

Weird. I see you still haven’t paid. Why would say you’d do that and not. You use this site twice as much as I do. What’s the hold up? Do you need a pay day loan?

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Jstone D329 - “ It’s ok to want a coaching change”
Brownell @Clemson: 8 seasons ranked 50th or worse by Sports Reference’s SRS
1-29: Brad Brownell road record against ranked ACC opponents
142, 161, 294, 307, 293, 166, 225, 180, 260, 164, 141, 72, 68 - assist rankings amongst all D1 programs during Brownell's tenure


Re: You weren't alive for the Shyatt era?***


May 20, 2023, 5:42 PM [ in reply to Re: You weren't alive for the Shyatt era?*** ]

Larry Shyatt had a losing overall record at Clemson at 70–84 (.455), and a miserably bad losing record in the ACC 20–60 (.250). And that include the good first year (20-15) with Barnes' players and the NIT run. Under Shyatt, Clemson never won more than 5 ACC games and one year went 2-14, coming in dead last 3 out of 5 years and never better than 7th (in 9 team league).

Brad Brownell has an overall winning record at Clemson, at 241–177 (.577) and is dead even in ACC play at 117–117 (.500). Brownell's teams have come in 3rd in the ACC twice, never have come in last and usually finish in the middle third of the league, finishing at or above .500 8 times. His teams have had 20+ wins in 5 separate seasons. Brownell has led the team to 3 NCAA tournament bids, won some games, and reached the Sweet 16 once.

Brownell is about as far ahead of Larry Shyatt as Coach K is ahead of Brownell. Coach K was 1,129–309 (.785) and 466–193 (.707). Coach K's overall winning percentage is .208 better than Brownell's, who's .577 is .122 better than Shyatt's. And Coach K's ACC record is .207 better than Brownell's, who's .500 is a full .250 better than Shyatt's.

I call that a better by a long shot. I still want Brownell to move on and get someone else a chance to do better.

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Re: Has Clemson had 2 players invited to the same NBA combine?


May 17, 2023, 10:13 AM [ in reply to Re: Has Clemson had 2 players invited to the same NBA combine? ]

Let me get this straight. By using you seriously flawed logic, it looks like brownell ranks up there with all coaches since Ellis! Stinks Ellis didn't win more considering he had a draft pick nearly every season he was was here. We have had 5 total coaches since 1985. 39 seasons. We have had 16 draft picks in that time span

Brownell: has been a coach for 33% of the time and has had 12.5% of our nba draft picks

Purnell: has been our coach for 18% of the time, and has 6.25% of our draft picks

Shyatt: was our coach for 12.82% of the time, and has 6.25% of our draft picks

Barnes: was our coach for 10.26% of the time, and has 6.25% of our draft picks

Ellis: was our coach for 25.64% of the time and he had 68.75% of our draft picks.

Shyatt just as good as Barnes!!!

https://basketball.realgm.com/ncaa/conferences/Atlantic-Coast-Conference/1/Clemson/30/nba-draft


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Re: Has Clemson had 2 players invited to the same NBA combine?


May 17, 2023, 3:18 PM

You really don’t understand statistics. It is regrettable for someone that spends all day pounding on their keyboard under they impression that they do.

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Brownell @Clemson: 8 seasons ranked 50th or worse by Sports Reference’s SRS
1-29: Brad Brownell road record against ranked ACC opponents
142, 161, 294, 307, 293, 166, 225, 180, 260, 164, 141, 72, 68 - assist rankings amongst all D1 programs during Brownell's tenure


Re: Has Clemson had 2 players invited to the same NBA combine?


May 17, 2023, 3:29 PM

Really? That is your response?

Let's hear it champ! Please explain how all of our coaches not named cliff ellis are so much better then brownell in terms of draft picks. Should I spin this in another way you can possibly comprehend?

Brownell - 13 years, 2 draftees. 1 every 6.5 years

Purnell - 7 years, 1 draftee. 1 every 7 years.

Shyatt - 5 years, 1 draftee. 1 every 5 years.

Barnes - 4 years, 1 draftee. 1 every 4 years.

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Re: Has Clemson had 2 players invited to the same NBA combine?


May 17, 2023, 3:54 PM

Yes really.

You’re way far in the weeds from your op where you insinuated Brownell had set some kind of benchmark by have 2 players invited to the combine. That’s what this thread was about. You were wrong. But rather than an “oh. I didn’t realize quite how many nba draftees we’ve had” you’ve changed the subject a half dozen times. Fire Brad.

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Brownell @Clemson: 8 seasons ranked 50th or worse by Sports Reference’s SRS
1-29: Brad Brownell road record against ranked ACC opponents
142, 161, 294, 307, 293, 166, 225, 180, 260, 164, 141, 72, 68 - assist rankings amongst all D1 programs during Brownell's tenure


Re: Has Clemson had 2 players invited to the same NBA combine?


May 17, 2023, 4:28 PM

I didn't insinuate anything. I genuinely was wondering.

Answer the question then. What year did we have multiple players go to the nba combine. Who were the players?

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May 16, 2023, 12:05 PM [ in reply to Re: Has Clemson had 2 players invited to the same NBA combine? ]

Also, please answer this question since you know so much about Clemson basketball history.

Not including brownell's tenure, where do you think Clemson's basketball history is ranked with other ACC teams?

So from our programs inception through Oliver Purnell.

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May 16, 2023, 12:30 PM

I believe fully that every coach in my lifetime, including Larry Shyatt, would have had better results if allowed to coach for 13 years in the era that Brad Brownell has. So, controlled for the level of competition in the ACC dead last. It is the conference that has gotten worse. We haven’t gotten better.

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Brownell @Clemson: 8 seasons ranked 50th or worse by Sports Reference’s SRS
1-29: Brad Brownell road record against ranked ACC opponents
142, 161, 294, 307, 293, 166, 225, 180, 260, 164, 141, 72, 68 - assist rankings amongst all D1 programs during Brownell's tenure


Re: Has Clemson had 2 players invited to the same NBA combine?


May 16, 2023, 12:53 PM

Oh yeah I forgot. Your head is in the clouds. You would rather have the talent on Brownell's team in year 2 than last year.

Same team that that went 16-15 against a schedule that was worse than ours last year. Yeah, we haven't improved at all.

Let's dig into shyatt. He took over for a program that was in better shape than what BB took over (still not great).

He didn't make the tourney in year 1 (Brownell did and actually won a game). 3 out of his next 4 seasons were losing seasons, and his overall record in those seasons were 50-69. LMAO.

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May 18, 2023, 10:23 AM

For what it's worth Olivier-Maxence Prosper is there as well and showing out:

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2023-nba-draft-combine-notes-takeaways-marquettes-o-max-prosper-and-no-99-make-good-first-impressions/


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May 18, 2023, 10:27 AM

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Re: Has Clemson had 2 players invited to the same NBA combine?

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May 18, 2023, 12:40 PM

Were Elden Campbell and Dale Davis in the same draft?

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May 18, 2023, 1:12 PM

No both were 2st rounders Eldon in 90’ Dale in 91’

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May 18, 2023, 2:25 PM

We’ve had multiple players taken in the same draft 5 times. So odds are good that we have - but not even the nba keeps combine records because it’s meaningless. The OP genuinely believes Brownell is a great coach and thought having two players back door the combine is meaningful in Clemson history. Given that we had numerous draft picks in a period of time when we couldn’t get out of the ACC basement only shows how watered down the league has become. And Brad couldn’t make the NCAA tourney with two combine players and a 3rd place ACC finish. None of it says anything good about Brad Brownell, which was his only reason for posting.

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Brownell @Clemson: 8 seasons ranked 50th or worse by Sports Reference’s SRS
1-29: Brad Brownell road record against ranked ACC opponents
142, 161, 294, 307, 293, 166, 225, 180, 260, 164, 141, 72, 68 - assist rankings amongst all D1 programs during Brownell's tenure


Re: Has Clemson had 2 players invited to the same NBA combine?


May 20, 2023, 11:21 PM

You def have Mountaineer/JK shook .I assume the mods can see it’s the same person who they just banned but she won them over by paying

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Re: Has Clemson had 2 players invited to the same NBA combine?


May 19, 2023, 9:11 AM

So, you’re saying Hall is at the combine this year and is also going next year? Something doesn’t compute in your statement.

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