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Grisham’s Gotta Go..
Nov 14, 2022, 5:11 PM
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For this example alone, I think Grisham should be gone..
We signed Ajou Ajou as a project in the same class that Jaylin Hyatt signed with Tennessee.
Where are they now? Jaylin Hyatt is now projected as 1st round draft pick. Ajou never stopped dancing here, transferred to USF, & will never come close to being an NFL draftee.
Jalin Hyatt has more yards on one catch than Ajou has all season. Big miss on his part for not recruiting Hyatt.
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Re: Grisham’s Gotta Go..
Nov 14, 2022, 5:18 PM
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I agree with you about Grisham's coaching but Hyatt wasn't highly sought after out of high school. He's grown and developed and dont underestimate how unproductive he could be in our offense. The whole offensive staff needs to go.
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Re: Grisham’s Gotta Go..
Nov 14, 2022, 5:21 PM
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Yikes there is no 9-1 team in America in any sport that is going to overhaul the entire staff.
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True which is one reason why FSU is where they are now.
Nov 14, 2022, 5:48 PM
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The weak ACC buoyed their record long enough to completely gut their program
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Re: Grisham’s Gotta Go..
Nov 14, 2022, 8:31 PM
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Bama is fixing to overhaul their staff after a 2 loss season.
Just watch.
Just because you underperform with all american talent doesnt and go 9-1 doesnt mean you are a great coach
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Re: Grisham’s Gotta Go..
Nov 14, 2022, 9:00 PM
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Developing WRs, what a novel approach...
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Re: Grisham’s Gotta Go..
Nov 15, 2022, 11:02 AM
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Hyatt was a four star WR lol. Recruiting analysts at 247 projected him as a future 2nd-3rd round pick. Hyatt camped at Clemson and came on 4 unofficial visits. He clearly was waiting for us to offer him. He ran the fastest 40 time at the Opening competition that summer.
I don't know why we never offered. But to say that he wasn't highly sought after is delusional. He had elite speed and was a four star recruit.
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Re: Grisham’s Gotta Go..
Nov 15, 2022, 2:29 PM
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Our coaches blew it by not getting him on his speed alone.
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Re: Grisham’s Gotta Go..
Nov 14, 2022, 5:23 PM
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Ajou Ajou could be the best player on any team because of his athleticism but he hasn’t committed to being great. No way to gauge that in a high school player.
You win some and you lose some. He wasn’t a bad recruit coming in late as a project. His head has to get going with his body.
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So we are automatically blaming his lack of development on him
Nov 14, 2022, 6:40 PM
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and not considering the fact that he might not have gotten the best coaching while here?
What’s the excuse for all of the other receivers the last few years who haven’t developed much?
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Yet Amari Rogers thrived at Clemson…
Nov 14, 2022, 6:58 PM
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and is not doing as well in the pros. Does Green Bay have an issue developing WR talent? How about TL at Jacksonville? He’s not performing nearly as well there as he did at Clemson. At least Oakland didn’t cause Hunter Renfrow to regress after the Clemson staff developed him. Was the coaching just that good at Clemson? It makes you wonder what these NFL teams are doing wrong.
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Are you crediting Grisham for developing Renfrow and Rodgers?
Nov 14, 2022, 7:14 PM
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I was very clear, I’m concerned you have questions…
Nov 14, 2022, 7:21 PM
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But since you brought it up, are you suggesting that Tyler Grisham and Amari Rodgers weren’t at Clemson at the same time?
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You were wise to edit…
Nov 14, 2022, 7:21 PM
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It was going to sting. Especially when we got to the part about Amari’s stats his senior year, which was his best season at Clemson by far. 77 receptions, over 1000 yards receiving, 7 touchdowns, and First Team All ACC honors. Guess who his position coach was.
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Re: Yet Amari Rogers thrived at Clemson…
Nov 14, 2022, 7:26 PM
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In your opinion, what is the cause for the decline in our WR play?
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I’ll go with…
Nov 14, 2022, 8:51 PM
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D) Not enough information to answer.
None of us really know what’s going on with the team, with the coaches, or with recruiting. We base our opinions on the limited information we do have access to, which isn’t much.
With that said, I think our number one issue has been injury. That has kept a lot of these guys from getting consistent reps which leads to the relationship needed with the QB. We’ve also had struggles the past two years at QB. I think DJ’s home situation really affected him, and being so far from home made it worse. His mind was elsewhere, and he hasn’t been able to get a rhythm going, making him inconsistent, which doesn’t help his WRs. I think we lacked much of a run game last year which made it easier for defenses to defend the pass. I think a couple of guys haven’t lived up to their potential, but it’s hard to know why. Did we miss on evaluation? Maybe. Is it coaching/development? Maybe, but I think Williams is great, and will continue to get better, so there is a positive at that position. And there are many more contributing factors.
Sometimes you have a perfect storm, and things go your way. Sometimes you have a perfect storm and nothing seems to go right. I think we were in the latter last year, but we’re clawing our way back. The fact that we are 9-1, despite all of the areas of concern I see mentioned on this board, should be a testament to just how good our staff is, not how bad they are. Can we improve? Absolutely. Do we have the right guy at the helm to make those improvements? I think so.
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^^ Cult member ^^
Nov 14, 2022, 8:02 PM
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Re: ^^ Cult member ^^
Nov 15, 2022, 10:36 AM
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That's a bunch of gooble gobble.
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Re: Grisham’s Gotta Go..
Nov 14, 2022, 9:01 PM
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When you take on a "project" it comes with the risk of not always working out. This one fell in that category.
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Nov 14, 2022, 5:55 PM
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Re: Ajou was one of Scott's
Nov 15, 2022, 11:06 AM
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So this 4-page, 48-reply thread is nothing but fake news? At least it was the perfect bait for JK to jump in and get absolutely schooled once again.
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Re: Grisham’s Gotta Go..
Nov 14, 2022, 5:44 PM
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That is pretty dumb. If you think we will get every recruit we want, or that some recruits are not overrated and will leave, you are truly clueless about recruiting.
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Grisham didn’t recruit Ajou Ajou, that was JS. And
Nov 14, 2022, 5:50 PM
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coming out of hs, Hyatt was a rail thin guy that was always going to need 2 years in a college weight lifting program.
That being said, I think everyone can see that Hyatt has excelled this year.
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Re: Grisham didn’t recruit Ajou Ajou, that was JS. And
Nov 14, 2022, 8:04 PM
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Grisham didn’t recruit Ajou Ajou, that was JS. And [2]
Nov 14, 2022, 5:50 PM
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coming out of hs, Hyatt was a rail thin guy that was always going to need 2 years in a college weight lifting program.
That being said, I think everyone can see that Hyatt has excelled this year.
please do not bring facts into the discussion with pathetic morons
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I think Grisham is a good program guy…
Nov 14, 2022, 5:54 PM
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but probably better suited working with PAW Journey or something like that.
Make Jeff Scott the highest paid WR coach/recruiting coordinator in the country.
Maybe Jeff is the answer at OC as well, but I’m not totally sure about that.
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Re: I think Grisham is a good program guy…
Nov 14, 2022, 6:11 PM
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Jeff Scott won one (1) FBS game in three years at South Florida. This is not the turnaround artist we need to lead the Tigers out of our offensive funk. At the time of their hires Chad Morris and and Rich Rod were great. RR was able to take the exact same players that had been scoring 10 points per game and by year end, transform the offense into a scoring machine that got up to 30-40 points per game. As soon as he departed the offense slowly unraveled. He then repeated the same magic again at WVA.
We need an innovator, not another group think yes man. BTW, DW and Trevor could win games with a termite league staff. Without them we will actually need a staff that can outcoach other staffs, not muddle along with same old bubble screen and 8 yard out pattern.
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For allowing 2 years of no blocking by WRs. Can’t believe
Nov 14, 2022, 5:57 PM
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that hasn’t been corrected
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I was with you originally but the fact of the matter is....
Nov 14, 2022, 5:59 PM
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Grisham's recruits are the only ones making plays at the WR position. Scott's recruits haven't panned out at all (Ngata and Spector haven't played anywhere near they should be right now. Ladson transferred out after being passed on the depth chart a few times. People already mentioned the disaster that Ajou ended up being).
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Re: I was with you originally but the fact of the matter is....
Nov 14, 2022, 6:16 PM
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Ding, ding, ding. Doesn't seem like Antonio Williams is having an issue with DJ as the QB, just the pre-Grisham recruited WRs.
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Hindsight is 20/20....***
Nov 14, 2022, 6:00 PM
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Re: Grisham’s Gotta Go..
Nov 14, 2022, 6:07 PM
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I agree that Grisham has not done a good job, but not for your example. He was just not qualified for the job and it’s showing on the field. Receivers don’t block. They stand around when the plays break down. They regress in most cases after they arrive on campus. He’s got to go because if those reasons. Bring back Jeff Scott and make him wr coach/recruiting coordinator and call it a day.
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Sometimes the prettiest girl in HS is not prettiest 40 year old..
Nov 14, 2022, 6:08 PM
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And not to be sexist, the star QB in HS is a fat 40 year old.
Recruiting HS kids is a crap shoot. Research and experience help the odds but rarely is there a sure thing.
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Dr. Watson…….
Nov 14, 2022, 6:09 PM
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Another self proclaimed know it all. Wonder if he would like it if someone he doesn’t know was calling his boss every day demanding that he be fired.
Dabo has not been shy about letting people go in the past if they weren’t getting the job done. If he sees a weakness on the coaching staff, I’m sure he will pull the trigger and correct it.
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Re: Dr. Watson…….
Nov 14, 2022, 6:19 PM
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I know people that coach for a living and they call our offense little league. Say it’s less complicated than many HS offenses. That we lack fundamentals. That’s coming from a well respected football mind in the upstate, but it also doesn’t take a great football mind to see it.
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You're FOS.
Nov 15, 2022, 9:53 AM
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Coot
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You and
Nov 14, 2022, 8:39 PM
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deroberts should get together sometime and reminisce about the good old days before message boards, when people weren't allowed to have and express opinions different than your own.
That would be quite a fun party, I'm sure.
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Re: Dr. Watson…….
Nov 14, 2022, 9:08 PM
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He'll have plenty to choose from...
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Re: Grisham’s Gotta Go..
Nov 14, 2022, 6:36 PM
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U stoopid coot
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Re: Grisham’s Gotta Go..
Nov 14, 2022, 6:49 PM
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Ajou was a big time project but athletic no doubt. Four years with CJS maybe he becomes a star. A couple years with Grisham, a complete bust.
Hyatt, as I understand it, was a track guy at 165lbs. Very fast. Again, another project but someone with separation speed we sorely lack. When Ajou was recruited we already had Higgins, Ross, Ngata so big leaping guy for 50/50 balls was covered in theory. Three years with CJS he likely blossoms just like he has at UT. Three years with Grisham? Who the heck knows, but I wouldn’t count on him to block very well.
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Re: Grisham’s Gotta Go..
Nov 14, 2022, 6:55 PM
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Here's the facts. Clemson hasn't landed the true slot receiver until Antonio Williams. Way too many tall slow receivers. The blocking by the receivers has been pretty bad. It has improved over last year. Dabo will fix it.
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Re: Grisham’s Gotta Go..
Nov 14, 2022, 9:11 PM
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We got spoiled with size and athleticism with Higgins and Ross and thought that was always going to be the formula. We forgot that guys like that don't come along very often...
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Yep, something’s got to be done
Nov 14, 2022, 7:12 PM
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This group has been on the decline and the worst part is it’s things like blocking and routes that can be coached
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Re: Grisham’s Gotta Go..
Nov 14, 2022, 7:52 PM
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I respectfully disagree - Ajou’s post game dance moves progressed with each win.
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Re: Grisham’s Gotta Go..
Nov 14, 2022, 8:53 PM
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anyone posting here in the wide receiver room or observing practices? If not you really cannot speak to whats going on except on the field, and since we don't know the plays we can only speculate.
Did Jalyn Hyatt want to come to Clemson?
Here is his 247 profile:
https://247sports.com/Player/Jalin-Hyatt-46056575/high-school-219036/
4 star, 16 schools offered. He made one visit, Tee Martin was his recruiter at UT. He was a July 2019 commit to UT.
At Clemson he was recruited by Jeff Scott not Grisham, no offer made.
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Wonder if "some bad word" was out on him.
Nov 14, 2022, 10:26 PM
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thankfully, we do not just take a kid based off talent alone.
If he had any(and I have no clue if he did or didn't) we would not have offered him. Or we signed someone else we thought was better.
It happens.
Ngata was a can't miss prospect as well as Frank Ladson and what have they done in college?
It's a crap shoot as stated.
I will say this: "speed and short area quickness" is what you need in today's football. Defenses have adjusted to the spread and even up tempo. You have to have players that can out athlete a good scheme.
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Re: Grisham’s Gotta Go..
Nov 15, 2022, 11:04 AM
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His recruiting timeline indicates that he attended a Clemson football camp and had 4 unofficial visits. I'd say he was pretty interested.
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I've heard his academics weren't up to par, idk
Nov 15, 2022, 11:10 AM
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how true that is. Should we offer a guy that may not make it academically? We don't do the prep school thing anymore and most players wouldn't want to anyway. Academically qualified doesn't seem to matter as much in the SEC, which makes it really puzzling why he wasn't offered by the coots nearby.
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Ya'll some idjits if you think a position coach
Nov 15, 2022, 9:55 AM
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is singularly responsible for identifying, recruiting, and making decisions on recruits that play the position at which the position coach coaches.
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Re: Grisham’s Gotta Go..
Nov 15, 2022, 11:14 AM
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I think you should be gone. My opinion means as much to you as yours does to CLEMSON!!!!
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Re: Grisham’s Gotta Go..
Nov 15, 2022, 1:10 PM
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I haven’t see this much crying since I last saw a Texas A$M board and they are 3-7. You crybabies act like the Tigers have lost every game. Clemson still has a shot at ending the season with only one loss and which is it, DJ or the WRs coach? Make up your d?mn minds, sh!theads.
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