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Mar 16, 2023, 5:51 PM
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I have made no bones about it here. I was off the CBB train last year. This year was more of the same ole for 13 years, only good enough to occasionally get your heart broken if even good enough to care.
I am a Clemson alumn and been a fan of anything Clemson for over 50 years.
This was a 23 win season with a schedule ranked in the 300s. That’s like a 9 win football season with Furman being your most difficult game with losses to SC, Louisiana Tech, and North Texas with a loss in a bowl against Florida International.
Sure, we beat Duke and the pants off NCST three times but we were not a good team. If the shots beyond three were not falling , we fell apart in all phases. Sure, coach isn’t responsible for off shooting nights but is responsible for the collapsing on those nights in all other areas. This is why Brownell will never be more than what he is - ok sometimes and wheels falling off other times. His teams are the king of inconsistency, kinda opposite of Dabo teams who are the kings of consistency. Consistency is the hallmark of a good program.
Before you give me your financial support and the program history BS, I can give you dozens and dozens of teams less supported who have passed us these 13 years. And with the transfer portal and all, a good recruiting coach and fix things quickly.
There will always be coaching apologists on TNET (heck I remember them in support of Bowden and Hatfield) at no time have we should have accepted mediocrity then nor should we now.
I didn’t even watch the game last night and in 50 years I can’t remember being so apathetic.
Finally, stop with the “we will get them next year” BS. A Clemson fan should NEVER speak in Coot mantra.
I am done with Brownell and done with this program until we get a change. We have waited long enough!
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Re: Charlie Brownell
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Mar 16, 2023, 6:06 PM
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Bingo!
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Re: Charlie Brownell
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Mar 16, 2023, 6:09 PM
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PBT gets it.
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Re: Charlie Brownell
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Mar 16, 2023, 6:10 PM
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Hit the nail on the head!
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Re: Charlie Brownell
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Mar 16, 2023, 6:12 PM
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I agree.
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Ahead of you by a decade
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Mar 16, 2023, 6:38 PM
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But you have joined the illuminated PACIFIC BEACH TIGER® ... no hate just acknowledgment and preference for more than mediocrity.
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Re: Charlie Brownell
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Mar 16, 2023, 6:44 PM
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It really bothered me this year how much we shot and relied upon the three pointer. We had PJ Hall and plenty of talent around him to run an actual offense but it sure seemed to me like we just dribbled around and shot threes with the occasional post play sprinkled in when I really feel we could’ve gone inside out on most every position.
Admittedly I am no bball coach or player but I felt like I was watching a street pickup game when watching our guys this year. Even defensively in some games (which is Brads strongpoint), we seemed to just do whatever we felt like rather than actually scheme the opponent.
Brads teams have NEVER been solid fundamentally offensively and you can only blame him at this point…players have changed but this lack of any kind of offensive identity year after year is completely owned by Brownell.
I like Coach Brownell as a person and I think he truly believes in his philosophy (whatever that may be) but we have given him more than enough time to show measurable improvement and have been rewarded with nothing in terms of national recognition or presence.
We did finish 3rd in the ACC and that’s great and all but everyone knows the ACC is not its usual national powerhouse.
We should move on from Brownell but it doesn’t appear we will this off-season. I just foresee a back to reality season at best next year where we finish in the bottom third of the ACC and while I hope I’m wrong, I also hope that if we do see that, that our AD will make what would be an easy decision at that point and move on.
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Re: Charlie Brownell
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Mar 16, 2023, 7:15 PM
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Speak it brother. It’s the strangest thing I’ve ever seen for the ADM to keep Brownell after 13 years of mediocre BB. I’m 75 and will be dead before we ever see another BB coach.
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Re: Charlie Brownell
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Mar 16, 2023, 7:22 PM
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And Ratface,Jr walks in and presto!
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Mar 16, 2023, 8:13 PM
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uh huh
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Great, so that must mean that you are on board with
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Mar 16, 2023, 8:21 PM
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getting our funding for the program and attendance numbers out of the basement of the ACC, and getting them to the upper echelon of the ACC with the top programs?
And you’re willing to do this, even if it means less for football, right?
Surely you aren’t expecting a coach to build a consistent winner in spite of consistently poor support for the program, are you?
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eff off Keller, you're a narcissistic liar
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Mar 16, 2023, 8:24 PM
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you have no intention of doing what's right for Clemson. This is all about what's good for you and Bradley.
You don't even care about the kids either. That's just another lie.
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That’s where you’re wrong.
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Mar 16, 2023, 8:35 PM
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I want better for our basketball program. Much better. I’d like to see us pour way more money into it, even if it means taking some from football. Most of you aren’t willing to do that.
I believe Brad is a good coach and would do better with more program support. You’re welcome to disagree, but don’t tell me that I don’t want to see us excel. I do, probably more than you do.
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Re: That’s where you’re wrong.
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Mar 16, 2023, 8:39 PM
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You want no such think turd.
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Re: Great, so that must mean that you are on board with
Mar 16, 2023, 8:38 PM
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Yes we’ve all always agreed with that and nothing about that refutes the fact that Brownell is a bad coach who routinely loses to teams with less of all of those things. So ####.
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Re: Great, so that must mean that you are on board with
Mar 16, 2023, 8:39 PM
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Dude. We just rebuilt Littlejohn. Brad made 2.75 million this year. He will make that next year as well. I’m confused as to how you can defend this when his team just lost to Morehead st, a team whose coach makes way less and whose budget is way smaller, on their home court. He lost to Boston College and Loyola-Chicago. He makes more than either one of those coaches and we have nicer facilities than those schools. You seriously can’t defend it. Earl Grant made 650k this year and beat Brad. If Brad could prove that he can consistently get to the tournament and not lose to trash cans then he would get more money. His offense has no identity. He rarely makes adjustments. You gotta admit that Morehead st loss was a fireable offense given his past here.
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We didn’t just rebuild Littlejohn.
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Mar 16, 2023, 8:52 PM
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That was 8 years ago.
And we did it by cutting corners. We could’ve built a brand new arena, but that was too expensive for our taste so it became a renovation.
We also went cheap on the practice facility, meaning that the men and women couldn’t use it at the same time for practice or workouts.
Brad doesn’t make that much. Have you looked up what many other college coaches make?
The snarky comments here about salary or facilities when we lose a game are dumb. Any team can lose to anyone in a game. The point of funding basketball better is that it tends to lead to more consistent success.
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Re: We didn’t just rebuild Littlejohn.
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Mar 16, 2023, 9:22 PM
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"Brad doesn't make that much". He's paid in the top 50 but hasn't made the 68 team field how many years of his tenure? You are adamant about the football program giving up money for basketball, why not Brad? If he can't do the job he's hired to do, which is make the dance, why is he the man for the job? If Clemson isn't going to make the field yearly why does he have a salary that suggests he should be able to field a team to at least make the tournament? Why not pay an up and coming coach 1/3 of Brads salary for the same results?
You'd have a leg to stand on if he actually made the tourney field every other year, as it stands you choose to die on this hill every day. If you were a true Clemson basketball fan like you claim so adamantly you'd be furious. No true fan would ever be happy with the current state of the program where it is after 13 years under one coach unless they're a troll or just love mediocrity. So which is it?
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Re: We didn’t just rebuild Littlejohn.
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Mar 16, 2023, 9:54 PM
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We made significant investments in the basketball program 8 years ago and there has been no payback in terms of significant improvement in results. Coach B’s salary has at least doubled since that time. Looks like we are bucking the trend that funding basketball better tending to lead to more consistent success
You are correct, the snarky comments here about salary or facilities are dumb. You really should try a different approach.
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Re: Great, so that must mean that you are on board with
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Mar 16, 2023, 8:42 PM
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getting our funding for the program and attendance numbers out of the basement of the ACC, and getting them to the upper echelon of the ACC with the top programs?
And you’re willing to do this, even if it means less for football, right?
Surely you aren’t expecting a coach to build a consistent winner in spite of consistently poor support for the program, are you?
So what you're saying is we can all agree that we know where to get 2.5 million a year to go towards the Bball program. If Clemson is as apathetic about basketball like you always suggest then they could save by hiring another coach for a fraction of what Brownell is paid and put the difference towards improving the facilities. Agreed? I love how you complain about the football program beating up on weaker teams for easy wins but when it's the basketball program is totally different to you. What a hypocrite.
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I’m not the hypocrite here.
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Mar 16, 2023, 8:48 PM
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The hypocrites are the ones who recognize the importance of funding for Clemson football for staff salaries and facilities, but minimize its importance when it comes to basketball.
We wouldn’t have the football program we do today if the athletic department had not committed significant money early in Dabo’s tenure for the coaching staff and for facilities. In fact, I don’t believe that Dabo would still be our coach if those things hadn’t happened.
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Re: I’m not the hypocrite here.
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Mar 16, 2023, 9:35 PM
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You are objectively, demonstrably a hypocrite. So you’re also a liar. Great representative of Mr. Brownell.
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Re: I’m not the hypocrite here.
Mar 30, 2023, 8:00 AM
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Recall CDS was underpaid when he was first named head coach. His salary was raised as his on-field results improved. The big facility spending came AFTER he demonstrated success ON THE FIELD. NOT vice-versa….
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Re: Great, so that must mean that you are on board with
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I have seen numerous times that you have mentioned funding but studies have shown that there is no direct correlation between funding and wins. Additionally, unlike football recruiting, increased spending does not correlate into higher recruiting rankings in basketball. Finally, most of the funding for basketball seems to occur after success and not in the hopes of having success. As someone who attends games, it is easily observable that winning increases attendance.
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Great, so you’re good cutting the football budget since it doesn’t matter?***
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Re: Great, so you’re good cutting the football budget since it doesn’t matter?***
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Why do you have to insist on taking away from football to fund basketball? Clemson has put big investments in basketball and has just announced a $40MM project. The financial investment is there. Your jealousy of the football program’s success is shining through again. No need to penalize one sport to support another.
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Re: Great, so that must mean that you are on board with
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We don’t set the dang budgets, control revenue streams, or any of that - the Administration does that. We want a coach that can win, and resources and fan support will increase proportionally.
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Re: Great, so that must mean that you are on board with
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I agree Judge…let’s put up money for a better COACH! Secondarily, did you notice the attendance this year when everyone was fooled into thinking we were actually going to make the tournament? It was great! You can’t expect attendance to LEAD performance…it’s the other way around….and again, I agree, it starts with funding for better coaching.
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Great post!***
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Re: Charlie Brownell
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Mar 16, 2023, 9:56 PM
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Point to you!
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Re: Charlie Brownell
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Mar 16, 2023, 10:00 PM
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Hurts me very, very, very bad to say this: hire Dawn Staley. She and her lady coots can beat our mens team all day long!!!
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Re: Charlie Brownell
Mar 30, 2023, 8:01 AM
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Did you know that CBB makes more than Jim Larranaga?
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Mar 30, 2023, 10:46 AM
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won't miss you and your whining.
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^^^ Prime example of the following statement.
Mar 30, 2023, 12:45 PM
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The Brownell Lunatics/Cult are not going to like this.
They DO NOT realize they are the fringe.
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Expecting attendance to drive performance is the height of absurdity
Mar 30, 2023, 1:01 PM
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Nebraska football has sold out every home game for decades, and they havent been relevant in 25 years. I remember the days of Tommy West when they was hardly anyone in the upper deck, because the football team stunk.
Clemson basketball has proven if you put a quality product on the court , people will show up. Our home attendance struggles at times because the product on the court has been mostly bad for the last dozen years. I personally quit going five years ago, because I think Brad Brownell is a fraud, and I will not participate in paying him millions of dollars
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