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Attention Clemson BOT, Administration, and Faculty....
May 4, 2016, 9:30 AM
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I hope you are paying attention and learn from Mizzou's mistakes in dealing with campus radicals and SJW fascists. It turns out that pandering to campus radicals and acquiescing to their blackmail demands was rather short sighted as it is resulting in the financial destruction of a major state University. I guess the silent majority that are withholding financial contributions to Mizzou and not having their children enroll disagrees with the way Mizzou intends to indoctrinate faculty and students based on the lies of a radical minority...
http://heatst.com/culture-wars/more-misery-at-mizzou-as-enrollment-plummets/#:ugPs9I7gN4e2CA
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You can count on the same at Clemson.
May 4, 2016, 2:14 PM
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Those with money and conservative values will put a squeeze on.
-PhD
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Get a clue, Mizzou's problem was their President ignoring repeated...
May 4, 2016, 3:04 PM
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acts of intolerance on campus. That's why huge protests happened, because the issue wasn't addressed. The enrollment is down due to the acts of intolerance and because Mizzou's admin didn't address. Mizzou has much bigger issues
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Oculus Spirit [93668]
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Speculation and conjecture.
May 5, 2016, 12:19 PM
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Maybe some of the kids who didn't enroll just didn't want to get mixed up in the chit. You can't fairly hold more confidence in you supposition than I can mine. It's political which by definition means that one's opinion will be skewed.
Frankly, what minority students want is favoritism. They aren't satisfied with equal, if equal had been violated they would have grounds for a lawsuit.
The same thing is happening at Clemson. Clemson actively recruits qualified minority students. I can honestly say that I believe most universities do the same to maintain a some imaginary fair balance. That means the demand for quality minority is high which by definition tells us that the supply is limited. It's not as if Clemson is running a high school and controls the number of minority students who qualify for higher education at the highest level.
They want Clemson to dumb down the standards for enrollment and dumb down the standards for graduation. That would shame us all.
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Re: Speculation and conjecture.
May 5, 2016, 12:27 PM
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you mkae some top points. In acadmeic power schools, minorities have been afforded the opportunity to attend and many have jumped at the chsnce. Unfortunately, most were not able to hack it and did not graduate. I would hate to see Clemson lower it's standards for admission as that will have short and long term negative conswquences. There are many other schools to attend so if they don't lke the way Clemson conducts itself, find another school and go there.
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Oculus Spirit [93668]
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Re: Speculation and conjecture.
May 5, 2016, 12:33 PM
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I welcome Clemson's efforts to fairness in recruiting high quality students no matter what color or religion. The key description being 'high quality.'
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I wouldn't want my kids going there and the reason has
May 5, 2016, 5:31 PM
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zero to do with intolerance. The reason my kids go to college is to learn something useful that will provide them with good salaries so their lives will be easier. Mizzou is not a good environment for that to happen, way too much distraction.
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Re: Attention Clemson BOT, Administration, and Faculty....
May 4, 2016, 3:31 PM
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What in that article leads you to the conclusion that "pandering" is the reason that their enrollment and financial problems are occurring? Perhaps it was the inadequacy of their response that is causing the backlash. Perhaps the "silent majority" are withholding contributions and enrollment until they see evidence of a real culture change at Missouri.
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Re: Attention Clemson BOT, Administration, and Faculty....
May 4, 2016, 4:14 PM
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If you actually read the article, and the other linked articles, it CLEARY spells out that the silent MAJORITY are the ones backlashing against Mizzou b/c of reverse discrimination/pandering/social justice engineering.
Pretty obvious to me...
-ZA
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Re: Attention Clemson BOT, Administration, and Faculty....
May 4, 2016, 4:20 PM
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Please provide a single quote from the article you believe supports that position.
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Re: Attention Clemson BOT, Administration, and Faculty....
May 4, 2016, 4:30 PM
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From one of the sublinked articles here:
http://heatst.com/culture-wars/inside-the-fallout-at-mizzou/#:Go-1_IORvY8nnA
"Nov. 9: A black student writes to President Wolfe: “As an African American student, I am embarrassed by some of my fellow students’ behavior and words toward you and I apologize on their behalf. …. I really hope you know that there are some of us who feel you did not deserve this.”"
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"Nov. 11: A woman who has bought season tickets for more than 30 years writes to the athletic director: “It is an outrage that Missouri University football players threatened to refuse playing ball unless their demands are met. … Along with other supporters of the program I will consider dropping my support. … I would rather the team forfeit the game this Saturday than to give in to their demands.”"
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Nov. 11: A parent paying full tuition for his sophomore son writes: “Free speech is under assault on campus by immature, spoiled, thin skinned punks. … I am seriously considering removing my son after this semester. I will never allow him to take politically correct ‘racial sensitivity training’ if required.”"
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"Nov. 11: Alum writes: “You have allowed Ms. Click and 200 misinformed students with passion to undo 20 years of progress at MU. …. My wife and I have agreed that MU is NOT a school we would even consider for our three children. … Since when do football players choose the leadership at MU and blackmail a university? MU has developed into the Berkeley of the Midwest.”"
shall I go on? Just read some of the linked articles from the original link. It's not hard.
-ZA
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Re: Attention Clemson BOT, Administration, and Faculty....
May 4, 2016, 4:30 PM
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That's not in that article is it?
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Re: Attention Clemson BOT, Administration, and Faculty....
May 4, 2016, 4:34 PM
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Also, even though none of that is actually in the OPs link it is entirely anecdotal. A couple of quotes is not a comprehensive analysis of reasons for the changes. And, maybe, had the administration dealt with the initial problems in a remotely competent manner nothing would have risen to the level it has. Which makes the resulting reactions more complicated than simply labeling anyone who fights for social issues as "fascist."
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So even after the president and chancellor resigned
May 4, 2016, 4:45 PM
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There should be more people ousted? They've had to cut tons of operations jobs and immediately closed 2 residence halls. A week after the resignations, people sent in letters and e-mail saying they wouldn't be donating or attending sporting events. Why would they wait after these changes were made, at the request of the protesters? How long should Mizzou be punished and what additional changes need to be made?
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Great post!!! To bad those protestors probably want listen.
May 4, 2016, 4:24 PM
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The minority groups continue to run this great country into the ground.
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Re: Great post!!! To bad those protestors probably want listen.
May 4, 2016, 4:30 PM
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If only we could herd em all back on the plantation. Things were so much better then.
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Re: Great post!!! To bad those protestors probably want listen.
May 4, 2016, 4:34 PM
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I'm glad you liked my post. You should try reading some of the other articles in those links. You may like those other articles, then again... maybe not.
-ZA
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Oculus Spirit [93668]
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We may be in a 'dammed if you do and dammed if you don't,'
May 4, 2016, 5:25 PM
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situation. You can bet Clemson is attending to the issues with much due diligence.
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Why is this on a Cemson Football Board
May 4, 2016, 6:31 PM
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and why is it getting Thumbs Ups?
I cringe every time I see race issues making an appearance on our Football Board. Whether you see it or not, your post shows a lack of appreciation for the struggles that African American students have been dealing with at Mizzou and comes across as racially insensitive.
We are walking a fine line when topics of race are posted and commented upon on TigerNet. With the majority of Clemson football players being African American, and possibly reading this Board, they may view these posts as racially insensitive, and by association, think that Clemson fans are racially insensitive too(or worse).
Please leave topics of race off Clemson football boards. They serve no purpose on this board and can only do more harm than good. Please go discuss these topics some place else.
Now feel free to flame away.
P.S. I am Caucasian and was born, raised and live in Missouri and feel the African American students at Mizzou have legitimate gripes with the former administration who turned a blind eye for too long.
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Re: Why is this on a Cemson Football Board
May 4, 2016, 10:53 PM
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Welp since you asked for a flame... this is being posted in "The Amphitheater" and not the football board - if the admins don't want these kinds of things being discussed on Tigernet then they would not have made these alternate boards for these specific types of discussions. If you think this is bad - try checking out the politics board on Tigernet...So...if you don't like it stay off the non-football boards.
Lastly, I personally credit our football players with having enough sense to realize that Tigernet and Clemson fans are like any other segment of the population - some are idiots and some are all around good people. Do you think the players are so narrow minded that they will paint the entire Clemson fan base as "racially insensitive" based on a particular post on Tigernet? I personally think the football players are smarter than that...
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The list of demands was not legitimate.
May 5, 2016, 11:11 AM
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The reaction was misdirected, and the tone was fascist. The protests did more harm than good. They took an isolated incident and incorrectly tried to make it a systematic, deep-cutting issue. Reality took over and you can see the results for yourself.
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Call it what you will, I would be hard pressed
May 5, 2016, 12:40 PM
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To hire any Mizzou student of this era. I'm sure there are good kids there but why risk hiring a rabble rousing terrorist
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Re: Call it what you will, I would be hard pressed
May 5, 2016, 12:53 PM
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Indeed.
You've seen white flight in housing and affecting public high schools. It's really not surprising to see white flight from a major university even if this is one of the first known incidents.
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