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Graham Neff must now lead...
Nov 5, 2022, 11:13 PM
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Let me make it clear that Dabo is the best thing to happen to Clemson in my lifetime (80s child). Not only football success, but the growth of the University which leveraged that success. This isn't a knee-jersey reaction; we unequivably have the best culture and leadership of men playing football in the country. But...
This is a poorly coached football team; its been evident for the last two years. And the downward slope to the bell curve could be seen since the LSU National Championship game if we are being honest. Dabo gambled on staffing. The gamble failed. While it may have been based on what lead to our rise and based on good intentions, it failed. Again, this isn't about tonight... its more about the inability to dominate games which we predomintaely easily did against lesser opponents dating back to 2012.
The Radacovich departure complicated matters, but our football staff should have been challenged last year. It was clear that the offense was far from elite. Right, wrong, or indifferent, DW4 masked the lack of coaching abilility during his time. Trevor was essentially dealt a disservice of sorts in what could have been so much better. Tonight it was obvious Dabo was very much involved with Streeter on play calls considering he was actively on his headset while calls were being relayed. Dabo is an elite leader; he is not an elite schemer/play caller. Nothing about Streeter has screamed elite.
Enter Graham Neff. What's done is done. But we've regressed; our performance has regressed to that of lesser teams. Tonight is not about ND; it's about every team we struggled with over the previous two seasons with no legitimate explanation. Staffing has to be challenged, and changed, in specific areas. Further complicating things is that Neff now has a BUSINESS problem. Seat equity (and by default, parking) increases come next year. Capital projects are still underway (i.e., rising costs). If we are truly locked into this grant of rights deal within the ACC with a diminishing on-the-field product, it paves the way for "disaster". We have to differentiate from the rest of the ACC - not regress towards it... and our leverage of prior years' success is actively twindling away...
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Re: Graham Neff must now lead...
Nov 5, 2022, 11:19 PM
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Are you seriously hinting that Neff tell Dabo what to do with regard to coaching staff ?
If so, you truly do not understand how this works.
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If the bottom line starts to be effected…
Nov 5, 2022, 11:30 PM
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Then you better believe Neff will be telling Dabo what to do with his staff. I mean that’s how Dabo got to where he is, because Bowden wouldn’t make staff changes when he was told to.
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Re: If the bottom line starts to be effected…
Nov 6, 2022, 7:15 PM
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You do understand that Neff will get the boot before Dabo does.
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It sounds like you’re saying Dabo is in charge and can do whatever he wants.
Nov 6, 2022, 8:15 PM
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If that’s how it’s going to be at Clemson, you can count me out.
Dabo is wonderful for Clemson, but he isn’t bigger than the university or the athletic department. Let Danny Ford’s “resignation” be a friendly reminder of that.
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Re: It sounds like you’re saying Dabo is in charge and can do whatever he wants.
Nov 6, 2022, 8:20 PM
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You’d have ever had to been “in” for us to “count you out”.
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Re: It sounds like you’re saying Dabo is in charge and can do whatever he wants.
Nov 9, 2022, 8:56 AM
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Judge, Danny Ford's "resignation" had very little to do with football....so there's that.
If you think that a major high-profile football coach has less leverage with regard to the football program than a first year AD, then we'll just disagree.
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No. He got in a pissing match with the president.
Nov 9, 2022, 9:09 AM
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And we had a new president that didn’t value athletics. The same way Jim Barker didn’t which is why Clemson went to hell for decades in athletics.
But that’s the athletic directors job! And whether you like it or not The program is regressing and anyone even remotely paying attention can see that!
Our new president also loves the limelight! He loves being in front of those TV cameras when we’re winning big. He certainly has the power to tell Dabo to make changes. So does the board and they have gotten accustomed to winning and the money that brings in.
And I have been saying for nearly 20 years on this board that my loyalty is to Clemson, the institution. Clemson, the town! Not to people! People come and go. Clemson remains!
Too many on this forum many of them that never spent one day in a Clemson classroom are members of the cult of Dabo! Clearly you’re a member as well.
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Re: No. He got in a pissing match with the president.
Nov 9, 2022, 8:40 PM
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Hey 62%,
Are you just naturally stupid or do you work at it really, really hard ?
I know what the AD's job is....that's not the point. Again, if you think Neff is going to make Dabo do anything he doesn't want to do at this point then you are really out of touch. Of course Neff has the "power" based upon his position. But if you think for one second that Neff is going to be the one on record that gives Dabo any sort of ultimatum then you are just being silly.
Now, go away while the adults are talking.
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What a triggered little crybaby.
Nov 13, 2022, 3:42 AM
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And such a lovely personal attack!
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Re: Graham Neff must now lead...
Nov 6, 2022, 12:25 AM
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A previous poster already hit it... it's mainly a bottom-line point. It's not a "today" issue. Likewise, it's not like I'm personally dropping IPTAY or season tickets - opposite actually. For most of us, our loyalty isn't tied to a win or loss on any given night. However, if you don't think the correlation to seat equity growth, capital expenditures, and rise in IPTAY minimum giving levels to get lower deck tickets (McFadden/Fike+) had to do with success and product of the program in the last decade, then you don't understand how this works.
But there is a possible strategy issue at hand in college football. Thinking big picture. We are on the wrong side of it in a conference that is constantly degraded throughout media and we are also considered flawed by association. This is why dominance and differentiation are important.
Dabo himself said he had multiple coaches call him about the vacancies this past year. Who knows who those individuals were... but a program of Clemson's status didn't need to gamble on unknowns. It worked very successfully with Tony/Jeff on offense for a few years. But in the current paradigm of college football, it doesnt feel like we have the best available all while still fitting our culture.
So while Neff doesn't have the standing to dictate hiring or staffing below Dabo (nor should he)... he does care about investments and cash flow. Our media rights are terrible within the ACC... unless something changes soon we will be behind the rest of the college landscape. So, Neff's job is to make sure the programs are in the best position to be successful so the athletic department can be successful. If there's a failure, it's his job to understand why.
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Re: Graham Neff must now lead...
Nov 6, 2022, 7:14 PM
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TLDR
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I really don’t understand how it works do you?
Nov 9, 2022, 9:04 AM
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That’s his job as AD.
He doesn’t micromanage Dabo. He doesn’t tell him what changes to make. But he does sit him down and say things aren’t going so well changes must be made! And if he’s smart he’ll say you need to bring in some people from the outside with more experience and a fresh perspective!
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Re: I really don’t understand how it works do you?
Nov 9, 2022, 8:42 PM
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Actually, yes. So there's that.
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Re: Graham Neff must now lead...
Nov 5, 2022, 11:21 PM
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Let me make it clear that Dabo is the best thing to happen to Clemson in my lifetime (80s child). Not only football success, but the growth of the University which leveraged that success. This isn't a knee-jersey reaction; we unequivably have the best culture and leadership of men playing football in the country. But...
This is a poorly coached football team; its been evident for the last two years. And the downward slope to the bell curve could be seen since the LSU National Championship game if we are being honest. Dabo gambled on staffing. The gamble failed. While it may have been based on what lead to our rise and based on good intentions, it failed. Again, this isn't about tonight... its more about the inability to dominate games which we predomintaely easily did against lesser opponents dating back to 2012.
The Radacovich departure complicated matters, but our football staff should have been challenged last year. It was clear that the offense was far from elite. Right, wrong, or indifferent, DW4 masked the lack of coaching abilility during his time. Trevor was essentially dealt a disservice of sorts in what could have been so much better. Tonight it was obvious Dabo was very much involved with Streeter on play calls considering he was actively on his headset while calls were being relayed. Dabo is an elite leader; he is not an elite schemer/play caller. Nothing about Streeter has screamed elite.
Enter Graham Neff. What's done is done. But we've regressed; our performance has regressed to that of lesser teams. Tonight is not about ND; it's about every team we struggled with over the previous two seasons with no legitimate explanation. Staffing has to be challenged, and changed, in specific areas. Further complicating things is that Neff now has a BUSINESS problem. Seat equity (and by default, parking) increases come next year. Capital projects are still underway (i.e., rising costs). If we are truly locked into this grant of rights deal within the ACC with a diminishing on-the-field product, it paves the way for "disaster". We have to differentiate from the rest of the ACC - not regress towards it... and our leverage of prior years' success is actively twindling away...
Bye. You have no need to be here.
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Re: Graham Neff must now lead...
Nov 5, 2022, 11:21 PM
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Let me make it clear that Dabo is the best thing to happen to Clemson in my lifetime (80s child). Not only football success, but the growth of the University which leveraged that success. This isn't a knee-jersey reaction; we unequivably have the best culture and leadership of men playing football in the country. But...
This is a poorly coached football team; its been evident for the last two years. And the downward slope to the bell curve could be seen since the LSU National Championship game if we are being honest. Dabo gambled on staffing. The gamble failed. While it may have been based on what lead to our rise and based on good intentions, it failed. Again, this isn't about tonight... its more about the inability to dominate games which we predomintaely easily did against lesser opponents dating back to 2012.
The Radacovich departure complicated matters, but our football staff should have been challenged last year. It was clear that the offense was far from elite. Right, wrong, or indifferent, DW4 masked the lack of coaching abilility during his time. Trevor was essentially dealt a disservice of sorts in what could have been so much better. Tonight it was obvious Dabo was very much involved with Streeter on play calls considering he was actively on his headset while calls were being relayed. Dabo is an elite leader; he is not an elite schemer/play caller. Nothing about Streeter has screamed elite.
Enter Graham Neff. What's done is done. But we've regressed; our performance has regressed to that of lesser teams. Tonight is not about ND; it's about every team we struggled with over the previous two seasons with no legitimate explanation. Staffing has to be challenged, and changed, in specific areas. Further complicating things is that Neff now has a BUSINESS problem. Seat equity (and by default, parking) increases come next year. Capital projects are still underway (i.e., rising costs). If we are truly locked into this grant of rights deal within the ACC with a diminishing on-the-field product, it paves the way for "disaster". We have to differentiate from the rest of the ACC - not regress towards it... and our leverage of prior years' success is actively twindling away...
Bye. You have no need to be here.
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Re: Graham Neff must now lead...
Nov 5, 2022, 11:22 PM
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I agree, but nothing will be done.
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Bawk!
Nov 5, 2022, 11:23 PM
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Peck dirt
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Re: Bawk!
Nov 5, 2022, 11:44 PM
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I get it. I don't post here... haven't in years and even then it was rare. I lurk for purposes of entertainment and insight - though the latter is sometimes as rare as my posting history.
While your statement is completely false and short-sided, I understand this platform well enough to grasp your reaction.
All I can do is leave you with a Go Tigers.
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Re: Bawk!
Nov 6, 2022, 12:30 AM
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Don't worry about it. If you don't have anything but worship for the program then you're a "Coot".
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We will not fire Dabo until after he...
Nov 9, 2022, 8:58 AM
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stomps a mudhole out of you dirtpeckers in a couple more weeks.
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Re: Graham Neff must now lead...
Nov 10, 2022, 1:21 AM
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I would like my 5 min and 37 sec back after reading this crap
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LMAO...1 loss and now there are Chicken Littles***
Nov 10, 2022, 1:38 AM
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Neff's 100% focus should be getting us out of the ACC
Nov 10, 2022, 6:36 AM
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I trust Dabo to rectify the coaching issues. Leaving the ACC is not optional though IMO. We WILL be left behind if we don't find a landing place because the arms race is getting out of control. My fear is that the GOR may make that impossible at least for the next 5 - 10 years, but that's why Graham et al are paid the big bucks. They should be pulling out all the stops to try and make it happen NOW.
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You better believe he cares a lot more about Clemson than
Nov 10, 2022, 6:52 AM
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the ACC. I am impressed with him so far, but time will tell.
To think he would even think about telling Dabo how to coach is just idiotic. 10 wins last year? Prob will do it again? ACC title game this year? LOL. Yeah, he might be asking Dabo for pointers.
I will bet my last dollar that the Neff hire was 'Dabo approved'.
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Re: Graham Neff must now lead...
Nov 10, 2022, 7:06 AM
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Sold out home games. A ten win season again. An ACC Atlantic Championship, possibly another conference championship.
The only thing the AD is gonna tell Dabo is great job.
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Re: Graham Neff must now lead...
Nov 10, 2022, 7:10 AM
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Neff manages all the athletic department and then theres Dabo. I would say Dabo played a major role in Neff getting the job. Dabo pretty much hired his boss
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We are a long way out
Nov 10, 2022, 7:25 AM
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From anyone telling Dabo has to run his staff or who he can have on his staff. The job of the AD is to manage the overall program. Work to give every sport what it needs to be successful. You do not pay somebody $10 million a year and then micromanage their program. Take your finger off the panic button and take a step back.
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Re: Graham Neff must now lead...
Nov 10, 2022, 2:19 PM
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TI can be really hilarious.
Neff is pretty smart. Not so the OP.
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Re: Graham Neff must now lead...
Nov 10, 2022, 3:10 PM
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Nov 5, 2022, 11:13 PM
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Let me make it clear that Dabo is the best thing to happen to Clemson in my lifetime (80s child). Not only football success, but the growth of the University which leveraged that success. This isn't a knee-jersey reaction; we unequivably have the best culture and leadership of men playing football in the country. But...
This is a poorly coached football team; its been evident for the last two years. And the downward slope to the bell curve could be seen since the LSU National Championship game if we are being honest. Dabo gambled on staffing. The gamble failed. While it may have been based on what lead to our rise and based on good intentions, it failed. Again, this isn't about tonight... its more about the inability to dominate games which we predomintaely easily did against lesser opponents dating back to 2012.
The Radacovich departure complicated matters, but our football staff should have been challenged last year. It was clear that the offense was far from elite. Right, wrong, or indifferent, DW4 masked the lack of coaching abilility during his time. Trevor was essentially dealt a disservice of sorts in what could have been so much better. Tonight it was obvious Dabo was very much involved with Streeter on play calls considering he was actively on his headset while calls were being relayed. Dabo is an elite leader; he is not an elite schemer/play caller. Nothing about Streeter has screamed elite.
Enter Graham Neff. What's done is done. But we've regressed; our performance has regressed to that of lesser teams. Tonight is not about ND; it's about every team we struggled with over the previous two seasons with no legitimate explanation. Staffing has to be challenged, and changed, in specific areas. Further complicating things is that Neff now has a BUSINESS problem. Seat equity (and by default, parking) increases come next year. Capital projects are still underway (i.e., rising costs). If we are truly locked into this grant of rights deal within the ACC with a diminishing on-the-field product, it paves the way for "disaster". We have to differentiate from the rest of the ACC - not regress towards it... and our leverage of prior years' success is actively twindling away...
just when you think you have read the stupidest sh!t ever tigernet never fails to prove you wrong. how long did it take you to come up with that pure drivel.
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Re: Graham Neff must now lead...
Nov 13, 2022, 5:40 AM
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If Neff doesn't like the coaching staff then his ONLY option is to fire the head coach and I would not call that a very good option...
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