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Graham Neff
Jul 7, 2022, 11:14 AM
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These next few weeks will define his young career. If he can get us into the SEC, he'll have set Clemson football up for decades of success. If he needs the second option and gets us into the BIGwhatever, then at least Clemson is still viable.
If he does neither of the two, then he'll most likely be fired in a short few years while Clemson figures out how to make up millions and millions of dollars to stay relevant in the college football world.
I'm cheering for him and hope he's able to get the first and best option done!
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Re: Graham Neff
Jul 7, 2022, 11:16 AM
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There's also this thing called the Board of Trustees.....they will need to be on board.
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It will be his job to make sure that happens politically.***
Jul 7, 2022, 11:16 AM
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Re: It will be his job to make sure that happens politically.***
Jul 7, 2022, 11:18 AM
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And Dabo's. He has to be on board.
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At this point, I don't know how he wouldn't be.
Jul 7, 2022, 11:22 AM
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They need to move very fast. Deal needs to be done and announced before the season starts.
We still hold image. Something could go wrong, have more injuries, and a 7-5/8-4 season loses you a lot of leverage.
Whoever our lawyers are need to be working night and day.
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Re: Graham Neff
Jul 7, 2022, 2:42 PM
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Re: Graham Neff [4]
Jul 7, 2022, 11:16 AM
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There's also this thing called the Board of Trustees.....they will need to be on board.
YEP ALL THESE GOOBERS THINK THE WHOLE EXISTENCE OF CLEMSON IS ON GRAHAM NEFF. LOL
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A couple of things..
Jul 7, 2022, 11:27 AM
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1. Graham is not solely responsible for changing conferences and all that would go along with it.
2. The SEC is full at 16 teams.
3. We have been making "millions and millions" less then the B1G and SEC for decades and decades. In the last decade alone, we have brought in roughly $200 million less than every single school in the B1G and the SEC. How has that made us "irrelevant", or how has that improved any the standings of any programs in the B1G or SEC?
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Graham is soley responsible.
Jul 7, 2022, 11:34 AM
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He's the AD and the mediator politically between the SEC powers, board of trustees, president, and Dabo. It's on him to make it happen.
Clemson was able to do that due to the factors and rules at play over that time. EVERYTHING has changed. Clemson can't ignore that College Football is being split into TWO major conferences. Either join one or get left out.
That's it.
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No, he's not. Everyone from the Board and the President on down
Jul 7, 2022, 12:15 PM
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would be involved and have a say.
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And too, having only two major conferences in
Jul 7, 2022, 12:17 PM
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college football is nothing but wild speculation at this point. If they do expand, then you can bet Clemson is at the very top of the programs to seeks, and regardless of how it all shakes out - Clemson will NOT get left behind. That's just chicken-little thinking right there.
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Kinda like a few months ago
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Jul 7, 2022, 2:13 PM
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when Clemson was gonna get left behind if we didn’t start offering multi-million dollar NIL deals to recruits.
Remember that one? That was awesome. LOL
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Yup. We're struggling to keep up ;)
Jul 7, 2022, 2:27 PM
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..because we don't have a bunch of billionaire alumni. We're clearly doomed!
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Re: A couple of things..
Jul 7, 2022, 11:41 AM
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1. That’s true
2. That’s not true. Who do you know on the inside I of the SEC that has said they are done? That’s just your guess. I don’t know that it’ll happen tomorrow but bank on it that within the next 2-3 years the SEC will expand.
3. The gap in TV money is about to become even wider. They are projected to make somewhere around $110 million per school Per year while the ACC is making $50. That’s too big of a gap.
Now if I knew that the playoff would stay at 4 teams and somehow the ACC could get that #up to say $75 while the SEC stays at $110 then yeah stay put but the gap will more than likely grow larger and the playoffs will likely expand.
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Re: A couple of things..
Jul 7, 2022, 12:26 PM
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1. Yeah
2. I can say what you're saying is not true as well. Its just your guess and we are both speculating. I am not a believer in the whole two gigantic conferences theory. I actually think it's a silly idea. Even if they were to expand to 20 each, that's 25 P5 teams without a home. That's not going to happen. IMO.
3. It is also pure speculation to guess at new TV contracts, but again, Clemson has made ~ $200 million dollars less than EVERY team in the B1G and SEC over the last decade. How has that hurt us? How has that lifted ANY team in the B1G or SEC? Over the last 10 years we're the 2nd best football program in America.. making ~ $200 million less than every single team in the B1G and SEC. It's fun to speculate on numbers and somehow assume the #2 of the last decade will get behind, but it's pure speculation at this point. That, and I can't figure out how the $200 million gap has helped anyone become a more prominent football program or how it's hurt us.
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That deficit over the previous decade will be
Jul 7, 2022, 12:31 PM
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5x larger soon.
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Not happening IMO.***
Jul 7, 2022, 12:47 PM
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Re: A couple of things..
Jul 7, 2022, 12:38 PM
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It would be wise to look forward instead of the current way of doing things. Both of the Power Two conferences are outstanding business models. Since this is all about money what would be the 'smart' thing to do when both conferences are filled with the teams they want? Uh-huh. Take the top four teams from each and do their own playoff. Let everyone else from other conferences do whatever they want. Most all the big names would be in one of those two conferences and the playoff would be legit. I would bet this playoff would generate another 300-400 million dollars to be distributed amongst the SEC and B1G. Could you imagine the amount of money those eight teams would receive if it was decided to let those eight keep the playoff money instead of doling it out? This would eliminate Vanderbilt, Northwestern, etc. that are extreme bottom feeders and just aren't going to spend the big money to have a serious football team and facilities and anyone could receive the big additional check if they could be one of the playoff teams.
Better think forward. Anything could happen and it makes no sense for the SEC or B1G to not have their own playoff.
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I am absolutely a forward thinker.
Jul 7, 2022, 12:46 PM
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But I don't believe two conferences and excluding a third of the P5 college football world can have their own playoffs and except it to work.
It's absolutely forward thinking to point out Clemson is one of the most coveted programs in the nation, and regardless of the new model Clemson is NOT going to be left out. And we're not the only ones either. If some goofy NFL model goes through with only two huge conferences, then they will need to expand. Clemson and Notre Dame are at the very top of that scenario.
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Re: A couple of things..
Jul 7, 2022, 12:53 PM
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Agreed.
And if this had happened earlier, the bama team that Clemson beat by 28 points after the 2018 season would still be know as the greatest college football team to ever take the field.
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Re: A couple of things..
Jul 7, 2022, 4:51 PM
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Full? How so? No such thing, reason being, massive shift in revenue, TV rights, NCAA losing a lot of power because they refused to change when the writing was on the wall, etc. Conference consolidation/merging is and has been happening. Clemson football has been pretty darn amazing these last 10 years, the way things are going in my mind, we need to strike while the iron is still hot, jmho.
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Re: Graham Neff
Jul 7, 2022, 11:46 AM
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This may be an unpopular opinion, but I beg to differ on Clemson football becoming irrelevant. Maybe we drop off the national stage, maybe we don't recruit baskets full of 4-5* players and maybe, we go back to being the Clemson football program we used to be, which was still very relevant to the Clemson fanbase. As much as I have enjoyed all of the success in the recent past, I also miss the days of being able to buy tickets on gameday (at a reasonable price) and enjoying a game that didn't have season-ending implications week after week. Perfection is wonderful, but it is also tiring.
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You'd be in the .00001% of Clemson fans that think that.***
Jul 7, 2022, 11:50 AM
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Re: You'd be in the .00001% of Clemson fans that think that.***
Jul 7, 2022, 12:12 PM
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That would be my assumption too, but I still miss the old days sometimes.
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I disagree. I think most Clemson fans realize
Jul 7, 2022, 12:31 PM
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that a top 15 program of all-time and the #2 program in the modern era is not going to get "left behind" in any scenario. Either we stay put and expand the ACC (or whatever it would be called) or we join one of these speculated gigantic conferences.
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You must be a new Clemson fan.
Jul 7, 2022, 2:03 PM
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Last 10 years?
If not, you weren't paying attention the last 40 years.
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No been a Clemson graduate for over 30 years.
Jul 7, 2022, 2:25 PM
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What you just said makes no sense at all. Wanna try and expand on what you mean? As far as I can tell we're the 2nd best program in the modern era, and we're definitely top 15 all-time.
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And none of that has anything to do with the changing
Jul 7, 2022, 3:16 PM
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landscape. There's many out there that would love to see us go back to the Tommy West and Tommy Bowden days. If we stay in the ACC/PAC12 BS then were headed back that way.
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You didn't answer the question, and
Jul 7, 2022, 3:56 PM
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I absolutely addressed the "changing landscape".
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I am certain
Jul 7, 2022, 4:38 PM
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Graham will not be making the decision by himself.
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I am certain
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Jul 7, 2022, 4:42 PM
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jstone D329 doesn’t decide what to post by himself.
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