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The GOP is really messing up, IMO.

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Posted: May 6, 2021, 7:32 AM
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This whole business with Cheney and the GOP doubling down on supporting Trump is NOT a smart strategy IMO. It will win the Trump base it will turn off anyone in the middle who wants to elect non-communists in 2022. And every time Nikki says anything she just digs her hole deeper.

The GOP is in trouble. They just don't see it.

And the nation will suffer with 4 full years of Woke Communism as a result.

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GOP has been in trouble for decades now.

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Posted: May 6, 2021, 7:41 AM
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More importantly, America is in trouble, because the GOP has been in trouble.

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GOP doesn’t need more Romney’s

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Posted: May 6, 2021, 7:42 AM
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McCains and such, they need people like Trump that have a spine and will go after the woke crowd. Instead of constantly cowering to the Left, they need a Trump or Desantis to tell them to shut up and sit down.

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Maybe that's not working.

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Posted: May 6, 2021, 7:47 AM
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We've had four years of the "Trump" brand of conservatives, and in that time, according to what I've heard people say, there's been an exponential rise in this "wokeness" thing. So, is it that they are not standing up like you think they are, or is it that the standing up is not working?

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It would have worked perfectly

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Posted: May 6, 2021, 8:08 AM
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If it had been anyone else doing it without Trump's gigantic personality flaws.

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Posted: May 6, 2021, 8:12 AM
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Isn't that the #### of it?

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Posted: May 6, 2021, 8:40 AM
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We really, really, really needed that untraditional candidate who could come in and shake up the status quo a bit while bringing America together. We were prime for it.

And then we got the imbecile that is Trump and he ###### it all up. Now many Americans think the status quo isn't so bad.

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That's a really good way of putting it.

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Posted: May 6, 2021, 8:46 AM
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I remember in almost all of his debates, there would be moments where his opponent had been given enough rope to hang themselves and were doing so spectacularly, and he completely bailed them out by refusing to shut up and stay out of the way.

That's his Presidency in a nutshell.....decent policy and results completely lost/ruined by his personality muddying and clouding everything. The guy was and is his own worst enemy.

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Re: That's a really good way of putting it.

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Posted: May 6, 2021, 8:48 AM
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I remember in almost all of his debates, there would be moments where his opponent had been given enough rope to hang themselves and were doing so spectacularly, and he completely bailed them out by refusing to shut up and stay out of the way.


Absolutely 100 percent what happened in that first debate with Biden. Biden was fumbling all over himself and Trump wouldn't S T F U.

When Biden finally said, "Man, will you shut up," it was like Rocky suddenly throwing a haymaker out of nowhere to turn the fight. Completely reenergized him and brought him confidence and poise. If Trump had just kept his mouth shut and let Biden flop around on the deck, he'd have come out of it looking much better.

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Re: That's a really good way of putting it.


Posted: May 6, 2021, 3:15 PM
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Obed I can not disagree. I voted for Trump twice and would vote for him again because I like his policies. But I’ll admit that in the first debate I was screaming at the tv like a close ball game “shut up , just please shut up!!” When it was over I told my wife “he just lost the presidency”.

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Posted: May 6, 2021, 9:48 AM
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We really, really, really needed that untraditional candidate who could come in and shake up the status quo a bit while bringing America together. We were prime for it.

And then we got the imbecile that is Trump and he ###### it all up. Now many Americans think the status quo isn't so bad.



trunp’s overall ridiculousness a d mean tweets certainly didn’t help.

But the media and democrat party brainwashing the public that he stole the election with Russia,
And was a white supremacist did far more damage IMO.

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Posted: May 6, 2021, 10:13 AM
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Nobody was brainwashed. Nobody had to be swayed. Moderates who voted for him in 2016 because they couldn't stand the idea of Hillary realized the mistake they made. He was unfit for office.

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Re: Isn't that the #### of it?


Posted: May 6, 2021, 10:49 AM
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Trump got more votes in 2020. The fact of the matter is everything the leftist media said about trump didn’t actually happen. He didn’t cause nuclear fall out with North Korea, he didn’t start world war 3 because he killed 2 notorious terrorists, he didn’t collide with Russia to steal the election, etc, etc, etc.

He made some mistakes, but what he did was try to do was put America first and I think he was pretty successful in that. Pre-covid, we a fantastic economy and he was chugging right along. He brokered peace deals in the Middle East. He was doing a pretty good job, but the media couldn’t have that. It was fake outrage after fake outrage.

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Ummm...


Posted: May 6, 2021, 10:52 AM
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Trump got more votes in 2020.

No. Let's stop there. He had 5 million fewer votes.

If you believe nutjob conspiracies like you just posted, anything else you post after that is dismissed. Your opinion cannot be taken seriously.

You have absolutely 0.0 pieces of evidence to prove Trump received more votes, from the popular vote to the Electoral College. Quit being like a Hillary crybaby in 2016. You lost. Accept it like a man.

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Re: Ummm...


Posted: May 6, 2021, 11:30 AM
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Ummmmm.

What I said and I thought it would be clear is that trump got more votes in 2020 than he got in 2016. Which means he didn’t lose many supporters IMO. I thought this was clear because it was to your response where you stated that moderates that voted for him in 2016 didn’t vote for him in 2020. Trump received over 11 million more votes in 2020 than he did in 2016

You are an absolute psycho. You intentionally misinterpret things that seem quite clear and then completely go off the rails.

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Posted: May 6, 2021, 11:40 AM
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Let's make it clear, then. Write clearly with what you mean.

Trump had more votes in 2020 vs. 2016 because more people came out to vote. A whole 7 percentage points more. It was record turnout. C'mon. If you claim to be smart, you can look this up yourself. Who look at those two years and goes, "Der herp, Trump got more votes because more people liked him! Must've been equal number of voters each year!"

In 2016, moderates gave more of a nod to Trump. This was a major factor in gaining him those battleground states that everyone though would go to Hillary. In 2020, the moderate vote swung a whole 12 percentage points to Biden over Trump. That's huge.

Again, you can look this up.

You are an absolute psycho. You intentionally misinterpret things that seem quite clear and then completely go off the rails.


You fail to communicate properly and thus make a dumb-looking statement, therefore I'm a psycho for pointing it out? Okay.

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Re: Isn't that the #### of it?

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Posted: May 6, 2021, 3:03 PM
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And the Titanic was setting such a sea record too...until it hit that @#@%ing iceberg.

I dunno. Maybe charging headlong into a glacier field in season without active radar, in hindsight, was reckless and a bad idea?

In much the same manner as you don't count the score of a football game at halftime, you also don't get to judge Trump's term by "what would have happened without COVID". How he managed COVID - and the consequences that followed - is exactly what sunk him.

His recklessness and inability to tell the truth to save his own life and manage the crisis exposed every deficiency in his thinking and management style and completely revealed his patent unfitness to be President. He truly thought he could lie, politic, make the bug go away with a wave of his hand.

It did not go away.

There are 580,000 people dead of COVID. We only lost 50K in all of Vietnam. And history is going to lay the bulk of the responsibility for those deaths at Trump's door, whether you like it or not.

He will go down as the worst president in history. Period.

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It started with the inauguration...

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Posted: May 6, 2021, 3:14 PM
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he lied about the turnout and never looked back. Next thing you know he's drawing sharpie lines on maps to show that the hurricane is threatening a place he accidentally said it was going to threaten. The President misspeaks and instead of owning or ignoring it, draws some extra lines on a weather chart to pretend he was right.

That was his presidency in a nutshell

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Extremism usually begets more extremism on the other side


Posted: May 6, 2021, 8:39 AM
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As you noted, the "woke" crowd arose as a response to the idiocy of Trumpism.

A return to more moderation (ala Romney-style) or sensible, true conservatism (McCain) will settle that woke side down as well.

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ehhhh, the woke movement began under Obama.

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Posted: May 6, 2021, 8:47 AM
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They just pushed the nitrous button when Trump came around.

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Yeah, but they got volatile under Trump.***


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I agree the "woke" movement began under Obama though we

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Posted: May 6, 2021, 10:30 AM
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likely disagree on who the "woke" were. There was visceral hatred for Obama from a very sizable collection of Whitey, unlike anything I'd ever experienced or thought possible. The TEA Party movement was a result, and the seeds of Trumpism. Once DJT started scoring political points by trying to delegitimize Obama's presidency over the birther thing, the lines became even more stark and the die cast.

The Trump base is akin to a mob willing to do practically anything at the behest of their leader. Who in that party wants to confront that? It took Lindsey Graham essentially one day to go from "enough is enough" to being scared straight by an angry woman in an airport. It's the 70% of "Republicans" that still believe the 2020 election was fraudulent even though one of its main proponents, Sidney Powell, is using the argument in court that you would have to be a Class A moron to have actually believed all those crazy allegations in the first place.

I agree with the OP that until the GOP is willing to break with Trump that they will have a hard time winning over majorities where it counts. For now, I'm okay with that.

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Posted: May 6, 2021, 11:13 AM
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Why do you always turn it into a race thing? I hated Obama because he had terrible ideas and was spectacularly divisive...same as Biden now. Biden is about as white as you get.

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The topic was "woke", which is a race thing.


Posted: May 6, 2021, 11:27 AM
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Try to keep up, or don't. Doesn't matter much really.

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Re: The topic was "woke", which is a race thing.


Posted: May 6, 2021, 3:03 PM
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I was specifically talking about Obama. You implied that people just disliked him because he was black, and that isn’t true.

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Isn't this what we were supposed to believe if we elected

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Posted: May 6, 2021, 9:17 AM
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Biden? Yet here we are.

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I'm not sure how much that was pitched...


Posted: May 6, 2021, 9:34 AM
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As more so just a, "Hey. It's not Trump."

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It was pitched pretty hard, that we'd "get back to normal"


Posted: May 6, 2021, 9:59 AM
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if Biden were elected. Now we've got a militarized DC for no apparent reason, race based covid relief, what appears to be ideological purges in military, and a domestic war on terror being floated....Among other things.

That's what I can't wrap my head around, if one was worried about fascism/authoritarianism under Trump, I have no idea how they aren't ######## their pants under this administration.

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Re: It was pitched pretty hard, that we'd "get back to normal"


Posted: May 6, 2021, 10:19 AM
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There are definitely valid concerns, but let me touch upon a few of those:

-"Ideological purges in the military". Eh, that's trying to purge people who buy into the white supremacist, make Trump a dictator BS, and yeah, that needs to be purged. I mean, sorry. They're dangerous to our nation's safety.

-"Militarized DC". Well, I'm not big on a militarized capitol either, but the Capitol building was overtaken and threats apparently are still pouring in.

-"A domestic war on terror". This part does trouble me because I worry about the lines of simple free expression and actually participating in that terror getting blurred. This is a really tricky area. You had just loudmouth MAGAers who don't actually mean any harm mixed in the crowd with Proud Boys and other dangerous terrorists (yes, Proud Boys and those like them are terrorists). I have a serious concern of government overreach here, and if made legally official, I REALLY worry about it getting abused if another Trumpkin takes office.

But please, please, please tell me you raised the same #### in the early 2000s over the Patriot Act and the other BS being pushed from the far right about giving up freedoms for security. Please tell me you stayed on target with your views.

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I think you're being disingenuous about their definition of


Posted: May 6, 2021, 10:37 AM
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white supremacist, white supremacist can now even include black and hispanic people with the wrong ideology. We have a 'systematic racism' problem, remember? Thus, merely supporting the constitution and historically American ideas can be painted as white supremacy.

I also think Jan 6th has been completely blown out of proportion, that event did not necessitate the National Guard being stationed there for 5 months. Especially in light of the fact that everyone wanted to act like Hitler had come to power when federal law enforcement was sent to places with mass rioting.

You worry about it getting abused if another Trumpkin takes office? What about the clowns occupying it right now? People that were simply in the vicinity of the Capitol Jan 6th were having their bank records shared with the FBI, and getting visits from law enforcement. In some cases that resulted in them being fired. Why is there such hesitancy to call a spade a spade when its Democrats in power?

I was in 8th grade when the Patriot Act passed, so I don't recall having strong feeling towards it...but I have been pretty anti Patriot act/big government my entire adult life. I also think we're on the verge of a truly oppressive government, and for some reason people seem to be OK with that as long as Trump isn't in office.

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Posted: May 6, 2021, 10:45 AM
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I think you're being disingenuous about their definition of white supremacist, white supremacist can now even include black and hispanic people with the wrong ideology.

Yes, I do think this can be a problem. I take issue with the federal government being able to label a citizen a "terrorist" for their defined criteria and then circumventing due process or Constitutional rights to pursue them. Same way I felt circa 2002.

I also think Jan 6th has been completely blown out of proportion, that event did not necessitate the National Guard being stationed there for 5 months.

The duration of National Guard may very well be overkill (such as some of the 9/11 response like keeping the Statute of Liberty shut down forever), but Jan. 6 wasn't overblown. They conquered one of major buildings. That was a very dire incident.

You worry about it getting abused if another Trumpkin takes office? What about the clowns occupying it right now? People that were simply in the vicinity of the Capitol Jan 6th were having their bank records shared with the FBI, and getting visits from law enforcement. In some cases that resulted in them being fired. Why is there such hesitancy to call a spade a spade when its Democrats in power?

I do worry about it no matter what party comes into power. I didn't like Obama's overreach. I didn't like Clinton's. This is an ongoing problem, and it concerns me now under Biden.

I worry more if it falls into the hands of Trumpism because that segment is blatantly anti democracy, anti Constitution, and overflowing with more corruption than any of the previous modern presidents save maybe Nixon. Sorry. That's true. I don't even like to label him Republican because he was such an anomaly.

Government overreach and abuse of the Constitution is a bipartisan danger. Put in the hands of someone like Trump, it can truly wreck our nation. I know you may not agree, but I'm willing to live with that. History will eventually define Trump for exactly what he was.

I was in 8th grade when the Patriot Act passed, so I don't recall having strong feeling towards it...but I have been pretty anti Patriot act/big government my entire adult life. I also think we're on the verge of a truly oppressive government, and for some reason people seem to be OK with that as long as Trump isn't in office.


Cool... man, I wish you had been on this board back then. We had some real clowns back then who shouted from the rooftops that Patriot Act and all this overreach were necessary to "keep us safe". I'd lay down hard Vegas money right now that if they were back on here, they'd be gnashing their teeth over the same style of overreach by the Biden admin if they started abusing the Constitution to pursue "domestic terrorists."

At least you and I are consistent.

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Re: GOP doesn’t need more Romney’s

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Posted: May 6, 2021, 7:50 AM
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exactly, we need a strong man dictator so we can feel tough and powerful, slip into an autocracy, and be told what to do.

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You couldn't be more wrong...

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Posted: May 6, 2021, 8:09 AM
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and you pointed out the big issue. "go after the woke crowd"

Trump wasn't really concerned with governing or really getting anything of import done. He was focused on maintaining power by fueling and fighting a culture war.

I don't like the "woke" crowd and I think it does need to be addressed...but not in front of a lot of other stuff that matters. It doesn't have to be a one or the other.

Romney and McCain, for example, aren't/weren't "woke" nor did they appease the liberals. They just didn't think the other side of the political spectrum was evil and intentional trying for the downfall of our country. That is the kind of thing the culture war causes...the "anyone that doesn't agree with me is against me, the country, and everything good". It's polarization on steroids. And nothing good comes from it and it just makes the "woke" more "woke" and the anti-woke more anti-woke. And nothing changes...except for maybe the account balances of the politicians/groups on the extremes.

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Yeah... no.


Posted: May 6, 2021, 8:36 AM
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Most of America consists of independent moderates ("fake independents LOL"). Romney is a moderate Republican. McCain was conservative but had integrity.

Moderates want this. We ultimately decide elections. The moderates rejected Hillary because, well, Hillary. But in this past election, they hammered Trump hard.

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Posted: May 6, 2021, 10:35 AM
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I'm confused. According to Trumpkins, the left commandeered the FBI under his watch. The left also out muscled Trump(even though they were the minority party for 2 years) on spending and blew our deficit out of the water. Under Trump's watch, the left was also able to steal the election right under his nose. Sounds like Trump is one of the weakest Presidents we've ever had as Pelosi and Schumer seemed to have their way. Am I doing this right?

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Posted: May 6, 2021, 7:52 AM
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I'm curious if they've done some study or something that says Trumpism is still the smart play based on the public numbers. But I gotta agree with you. If the Dems can avoid going too bonkers left, moderates will stay away from Trumpism.

I also wonder if this is desperation. The numbers point toward a continuing fade of GOP strength if they don't change. It's almost as if rather than decide to change, they'll cling to authoritarianism and trying to subvert democracy.

A political body that is gradually losing power is very dangerous.

But give the Dems time. They have too much power now, and that historically doesn't bode well when elections come back around.

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Posted: May 6, 2021, 7:55 AM
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desperation, RU kidding?, when they start cheating, they're desperate. .

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cheating......


Posted: May 6, 2021, 8:09 AM
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Valid considerations of court packing, gerrymander ending, interstate voter compact..............

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Posted: May 6, 2021, 8:17 AM
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in Florida, for instance, it is MUCH easier to vote when you are a homeowner. This is a fact. If you are a renter, every time you move, you have to update your license and voter registration info. Now anyone can do this, but it is a financial burden if you can not afford that $50. And we all know people who can't rub 2 nickles together more than likely will vote democrat. It is the little things, disguised as solutions to problems that do not exist, that move the needle 1/2% here 1/2% there.

and do not get me started on Florida's absentee balloting system, you literally just need a time share and a utility bill to vote here, provided you do not vote in your home state.

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That sounds egregious, so I just went to the site

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Posted: May 6, 2021, 8:21 AM
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You know Florida better than I do, no argument there, but on the website where you can update your registration, you can click "I have no DL or ID" and it just asks for your social security number and/or the numbers on your most recent DL or ID (I assume the one with no longer valid address)

https://registertovoteflorida.gov/eligibilityreactive


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Re: That sounds egregious, so I just went to the site


Posted: May 6, 2021, 10:49 AM
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My whole issue as I stood in line at DMV, was that they looked at my North Carolina license, then a utility bill, then issued me a license. I never had to surrender my NC license. Residency here is basically on the Honor system, to be a resident you must be physically here 185 days out of the year.

In my county especially, I would say more than 1/2 of the population clears town from May through November, go back to Connecticut or whatever, leave in December, then they are back in January. I watch the population of this town swell, and I see it especially so during the very limited window we have for in-person voting. As far as absentee Ballots, like in Trump's case, you can be living in an entirely different state, and just declare that you have an intent to become a full-time resident of Florida, and that is good enough. Again, this is all on the honor system.

So the opportunities for abuse here are real. Most of this is to do with us being a tourist state and people owning second homes here. If you lived in a blue state like Conn, NY, New Hampshire, etc.., it would be very easy to vote here instead, where your vote actually counts if you are a Republican. Liberals From Indiana could do the exact same thing.

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Do poor people vote overwhelmingly Democrat?


Posted: May 6, 2021, 9:40 AM
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I don’t know the numbers. Every time a I drive by a trailer park I see Trump flags everywhere. I’d imagine inner city poor folks vote Democrat, while rural poor folks vote Republican. Maybe there’s more inner city poor people, I don’t know.

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Posted: May 6, 2021, 9:52 AM
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Yup. There are. And in consistently pushing this whole "the election was stolen" crap the GOP is fostering the worst kind of idiocy, because that is Trump's base, because they are harnessing themselves to Trump, and only to Trump.

And it's worse than that. Because guess what...they come out only for Trump. What we have seen is those trailer-folk break polls. Polling data consistently under-represents these folks because the pollsters don't find them, but they showed up in 2016 and they showed up in 2020 and they voted large, and they shocked Hillary (who was up at least 2-3 points in the closing polls) and they made the 2020 election much closer than the pollsters had it...keep in mind, most pollsters had Biden up anywhere from 5 to 10 points (or more!) going into voting day. Ended up being way closer than that, whereas the 2018 mid-terms, where Trump wasn't on the ballot, was a wipeout for the Dems.

If Trump decides not to run in 2024 - and I suspect he ultimately won't, because if he loses again, that's it for Brand Trump, whereas if he just punts, he can keep the game going forever - those MAGA loyalists will stay home. Which translates into a massive wipeout for the Dems.

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Cruz was here in Virginia yesterday, campaigning for a GOP


Posted: May 6, 2021, 9:29 AM
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gubernatorial candidate. Remember, we elect a guvner this year. Any common sense Virginian should want the Woke Communist Politburo we have now to be ousted. Blackface boy and his minions have turned this state into the People's Republic. But if this how the GOP candidates are campaigning, I don't see any of them beating McAuliffe who is running again on the Dem side.

LORD help us.

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Was he campaigning for Chase? She’s a special kind


Posted: May 6, 2021, 9:41 AM
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of crazy. No way she wins.

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No. That's the kicker. He is on board w/a supposed moderate


Posted: May 6, 2021, 11:39 AM
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GOPer named Youngkin.

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There is evidence that it hurts them, and evidence that


Posted: May 6, 2021, 7:57 AM
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it's not so bad. The party did gain seats in the House this year. I don't know what the outlook is at this point for 2022, it's probably too early.

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Posted: May 6, 2021, 8:33 AM
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a major flaw with Rs is they dont stick together, McCain is a prime example, if she was a D they would run her off yesterday

how about cindy talk about what she supports instead

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They didn't stick together very well in 2016

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Posted: May 6, 2021, 8:41 AM
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And look what happened.

Although I assume they learned their lesson from it.

Part of the problem is the GOP can't really define what actual conservatism is anymore. Too many of their members want to spend like liberals, or they falsely brand someone like Trump and his ideology as conservative.

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Rep. Cheney, the chair of the House Republican Conference.

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Posted: May 6, 2021, 8:41 AM
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She needs to stop living in the past. We know she hates Trump and has been the subject of criticism since she voted for impeachment (also see: Romney).

She can't lead the Conference without support and she doesn't have it.

Interesting link(s):

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/rebeccadowns/2021/05/05/liz-cheney-keeps-making-this-worse-on-herself-n2589026


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Re: The GOP is really messing up, IMO.


Posted: May 6, 2021, 9:26 AM
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They run an actual likeable centrist guy like Kinzinger or Sasse, especially with a minority running mate, and the GOP wins by double digits in 2024. It isn't close. Fiscal responsibility? Inclusiveness? Sanity?

Sign me up.

There's so much room in the middle right now you could drive the Queen Mary through it.

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Cheney is exactly what's wrong with the GOP.


Posted: May 6, 2021, 3:26 PM
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She's a neocon that loves big government so she might as well be a Democrat. The GOP doesn't effectively fight back against big government precisely because of people like her.

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Re: Cheney is exactly what's wrong with the GOP.

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Posted: May 6, 2021, 3:47 PM
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Are you #$^&ing kidding me?

Cheney has a lifetime 78% rating from the American Conservative Union, and the Heritage Action group gives her a lifetime score of 80%. Those are high scores.

Elise Stefanik, who is probably going to replace her, is at 44% from ACU and 48% from Heritage Action, by way of comparison, is way more checkered.

Cheney is really conservative across the board. She voted literally 95% of the time with Donald Trump. Cheney is as hard-core a legit "conservative" as there is. There is nothing "neo-con" about her.

You really do not know much about much, Tom. But you're totally emblematic of the modern GOP: just spout forth a comforting piece of bullsh!t, and roll with it. Who cares about the actual facts and little trivialities like actual voting records?

https://theweek.com/speedreads/981114/liz-cheneys-likely-replacement-much-lower-ratings-from-conservative-groups


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when Quozzel is quoting


Posted: May 7, 2021, 8:04 AM
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Heritage Action Group, you know a thread is off the rails.

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Well, that is a load of horse sheet...

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Posted: May 6, 2021, 4:27 PM
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show me how the size and roll of the federal government was dramatically altered under the last administration.

Trump stomped all over Paul Ryan and his agenda, which was the only real hope of making lasting change in scope of federal government.

Was the federal role in education rolled back? No

Was the size of the federal budget rolled back? No

SS/Medicare reform? No

Deficit/debt reduction? No

All Trump accomplished was to fight and fuel a culture war and get conservatives appointed to SCOTUS (which is something but not direct change).

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Re: Well, that is a load of horse sheet...


Posted: May 6, 2021, 5:00 PM
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If Cheney was any kind of "neo-con" she'd just walk across the aisle...and run as a Dem, if the GOP leadership is truly so hellbent on driving her out.

I just don't see it. I mean...maybe, in some weird nether-world altered-reality otherverse, maybe. But I just don't see any way the Dems could successfully re-package her as a Dem, even in a state as right-leaning as Wyoming.

She is just too...conservative. I mean, the woman is a rock-ribbed, true-blue, conservative.

Can such a creature, with her 78% score from the ACU and 80% score from Heritage, really co-exist under even the Democratic Big Tent? Those scores would have drawn a bulls-eye on her forehead from the Democratic leadership just two election cycles ago. She'd have been pretty much at the top of their takedown wish list.

I mean, politics is weird, and can make for some weird bedfellows, but if somebody were to tell me the GOP was somehow going to be running D!ck freaking Cheney's daughter out of the Republican party on a rail on account of being too freaking liberal I'd wonder what on Earth people had started smoking.

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It's because there is no ideology in the Trump movement...

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Posted: May 7, 2021, 7:34 AM
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it's a cult of personality and culture war. Trump duped enough of the voting people to go along with whatever batsheet thing he says and most elected officials care more about staying elected officials than about doing anything or standing for anything.

You can try to judge this situation based on any kind of rational political thought. It doesn't work because too many of the players are irrational.

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Exhibit A for evidence of what you said


Posted: May 7, 2021, 8:44 AM
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In the election, the GOP did not offer a platform. They just said Trump. That says it all.

(That's because they also know Trump goes against traditional conservatism...)

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... and Cheney is still worse.


Posted: May 7, 2021, 8:18 AM
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I agree, Trump didn't get much good done. About the best thing was the tax cuts because at least that is still law for the time being. Everything else was executive action which Biden immediately reversed.

But Trump was still infinitely better than the neocons and milquetoast Republicans. At least he temporarily rolled back regulations and let the economy come back to life.

And the fact is the majority of Republicans are terrible and should really just be Democrats, and probably secretly are. They just posture on social issues to get elected but in reality they are all just corporate wh*res (Republicans and Democrats) who will constantly seek to grow the government to funnel more money into the rent-seeking/contract/kickback game.

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No she not...the ONLY difference between her...

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Posted: May 7, 2021, 9:20 AM
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and the people pushing to get her out of office is she knows (as they all do) that Trump lost the election and she is willing to say so. The others aren't.

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Posted: May 7, 2021, 7:45 AM
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Trump loved big government. Just about all who supported him love big government. Find me someone in Congress other than Rand Paul who is GOP and doesn't love big government.

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