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Getting rid of Brownell won't matter, not this or next year
Mar 14, 2016, 6:40 AM
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IF all Clemson does is go after another mid level 'up and comer' coach.
How did the Coots make themselves relevant in football?
They went out and hired Lou Holtz, a legendary coach. Did he succeed? Not particularly - EXCEPT people started paying attention to them, win or lose.
They followed it up with hiring another legend, Steve Spurrier. Did he succeed? Pretty much. He gave them their best 5 years in their history. Yes they crumbled at the end, but now they have a trend. They are hiring big name well known coaches.
Clemson is never going to be successful unless we can lure a coach here with a big enough name to draw talent IN SPITE of our history, facilities and support.
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Re: Did you ever desire to be an Athletic Director?
Mar 14, 2016, 7:17 AM
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Don't mean to be sarcastic. Serious question.
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Re: Getting rid of Brownell won't matter, not this or next year
Mar 14, 2016, 7:26 AM
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Curious if you used the "legend" argument on the Dabo hire.
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Clemson had established itself as a football power LONG
Mar 14, 2016, 9:16 AM
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before Dabo got here... so that makes YOUR argument irrelevant.
Clemson has never been ANYTHING in basketball.
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Re: Clemson had established itself as a football power LONG
Mar 14, 2016, 9:24 AM
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We were not a Football power before the Dabo hire...
We had not been a football power since the early 90s.
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Re: Getting rid of Brownell won't matter, not this or next year
Mar 14, 2016, 7:53 AM
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Clemson has almost no track record of big name hires in any sport. Barnes and maybe Hatfield would be about the only exceptions there
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Re: Getting rid of Brownell won't matter, not this or next year
Mar 14, 2016, 8:02 AM
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Hey now ! Monte Lee is a legend in Chucktown !
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Re: Getting rid of Brownell won't matter, not this or next year
Mar 14, 2016, 7:57 AM
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Welp, you've got it figured out, the coots are indeed an example of what college athletics should be. This is one of the worst post I've read in 17 years of being on TN. Just think where we would be if we could have gotten the ball sac instead of Dabo. We are one of the best college football programs in the game. And according to about five or six services have the best coach in the nation. You remember, that receivers coach they promoted from obscurity. Pretty amazing that you think we should do what they do. I guess we need to get us some horseys and win some championships.
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If you say you wouldn't not have taken Spurrier when Bowden
Mar 14, 2016, 9:14 AM
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was fired
you are lying.
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Re: If you say you wouldn't not have taken Spurrier when Bowden
Mar 14, 2016, 7:21 PM
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I would rather Clemson University shut down football than that donkey depression be the face of the university.
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Re: Getting rid of Brownell won't matter, not this or next year
Mar 14, 2016, 8:01 AM
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Your entire premise is shot in the #### after asking the question
" How did the Coots make themselves RELEVANT in football " .
They aren't , they never where , and they most likely never will be ?
Is there somebody else we call the Coots ?
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You are not paying attention then.
Mar 14, 2016, 9:15 AM
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Re: You are not paying attention then.
Mar 14, 2016, 9:17 AM
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You want to straight-face claim that Sakerlina is a relevant football program ?
C'mon man .
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They had the most successful 5 year stretch in their history
Mar 14, 2016, 9:19 AM
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under spurrier so for them very relevant... and people were talking about them nationally in a way they never had. For 5 years they won't more than ever and they OWNED Clemson... they even won a big game or two.
So yes, the Holtz and Spurrier hires made them relevant.
Take off the orange tinted glasses for a bit.
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Re: They had the most successful 5 year stretch in their history
Mar 14, 2016, 9:22 AM
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Holtz no , they were abysmal during his tenure . Spurrier , I will concede that for a few years they played pretty well but that has all gone back to normal now .
Being relevant in my eye is longterm , sustained success and the ability to climb back easily when you are down for a while .
They can't expect that because they have never been that , and in my estimation are among the least " relevant " football programs in the history of CFB .
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I'm not comparing them to Bama or FSU, I am comparing them
Mar 14, 2016, 9:26 AM
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to what they WERE.
No look at their football history compared to our Bball history... VERY good comparison.
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compared to what we've been brownell has been pretty
Mar 14, 2016, 5:52 PM
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successful
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Re: They had the most successful 5 year stretch in their history
Mar 14, 2016, 9:25 AM
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Being the tallest midget in regards to their history still doesnt make them relevant...
ZERO Championships and tier two bowls dont make you relevant.
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THIS ^
Mar 14, 2016, 9:27 AM
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...and I can't take off my orange tinted glasses STERLING , I had them tack welded to my skull plate because Clemson fan 110%.
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Frank Martin is legendary? LOLOL!***
Mar 14, 2016, 9:14 AM
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After seeing DRad hire Monte Lee, I feel pretty good about
Mar 14, 2016, 9:17 AM
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him hiring a replacement for Brownell.
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Perhaps. But what program has a better history and
Mar 14, 2016, 9:21 AM
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reputation... Clemson baseball or Clemson basketball?
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I completely disgree.
Mar 14, 2016, 9:17 AM
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The right young guy will work. Shaka Smart worked. Brad Steven worked. Dabo Swinney worked. Matt McCall would work. He is 31.
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I don't put Dabo in that group because he came to an
Mar 14, 2016, 9:20 AM
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established program.
He didn't have to pull Clemson up from nothing, he had to put the right pieces in place (on the field and on the staff) and he has done amazing job.
But he didn't have to take a program with absolutely NO history, NO facilities, NO recruiting and turn it in to a powerhouse.
A basketball coach at Clemson will have to do all those things.
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True..That said..
Mar 14, 2016, 9:27 AM
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Dabo has come so far that it is borderline as impressive. You are correct though. He had the commitment from the university. Still, very few coaches could do what Dabo did imho. He is just special. I have found in my life that it is usually just the person. They figure it out. Some have it and some don't. That goes for any profession. I think you could give CBB Kentucky and within 4 years they wouldn't be a top 5-10 caliber team year in year out. Although, we all know Calipari is shady, so take that comparison with a grain of salt.
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I don't disagree with any of that.
Mar 14, 2016, 9:30 AM
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He took to a top 25 program and made it top 10.
I am not discounting his achievement at ALL.
Just saying you can't compare ANY coach taking over our football program to the coach who is going to have to CREATE our bball program from SCRATCH.
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Re: I don't disagree with any of that.
Mar 14, 2016, 9:34 AM
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Clemson Football was not a top 25 program before Dabo took over....
We finished the year ranked 4 years of the 10 previous to him becoming HC.
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Re: I don't disagree with any of that.
Mar 14, 2016, 9:34 AM
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That I can agree with you on , sir .
Our BBall is not a flower . Its not even a small bud on a small branch .
We need a guy that will come in prepared to outwork , outrecruit and out think just about any coach thats ever coached Clemson basketball .
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I think our BB program is a flower.
Mar 14, 2016, 9:37 AM
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We are in the ACC and that alone makes us a bud. I think we have he fans. I have seen LJ rocking with Barnes. We are Clemson. We have potential. It's not like we are talking FAU in college football.
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Re: Getting rid of Brownell won't matter, not this or next year
Mar 14, 2016, 9:23 AM
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I agree. We should have hired Tubby Smith when we had chance at Minnesota. He lives the south and would have come here. He is from High Point, NC. Now look what he is doing at Texas Tech.
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Would have been VERY happy with that... or Huggins.
Mar 14, 2016, 9:27 AM
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His rep was bashed and he needed a program as bad as a program needed him.
Either would have been the best coach to ever head our program from day one
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Huggins would have been sweet. Agreed**
Mar 14, 2016, 9:29 AM
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LOL...Lou...lol
Mar 14, 2016, 10:34 AM
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Nobody was paying attention to $CU when Lou was there. They were paying attention to Lou because he is a media wh0re.
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No such thing as bad publicity
Mar 14, 2016, 2:40 PM
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Re: Getting rid of Brownell won't matter, not this or next year
Mar 14, 2016, 10:45 AM
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agree somewhat! if the support remains poor (fans, admin,etc.) no coach that we might get will do what we expect!
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Poor support from the fans is a myth.
Mar 14, 2016, 10:56 AM
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It's the product. The fans are ready. They just are practical.
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If the fans are "all in" for basketball
Mar 14, 2016, 2:54 PM
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then I'm sure we can count on an uproar from donors over the current state of the program. I'm sure we can count on many emails and phone calls from donors telling DRad and the administration how upset they are about our basketball performance. Change will be demanded because Clemson deserves better. Right?!?
I'm not holding my breath, because at the end of the day football rules at Clemson - to the point that it hurts our basketball program.
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Bring on Bob Knight!
Mar 14, 2016, 2:49 PM
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Actually PJ Carlissimo might be a good hire?
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how has Bruce Pearl done at Auburn?***
Mar 14, 2016, 2:52 PM
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Clemson will not hire
Mar 14, 2016, 3:18 PM
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a coach with a seedy past.
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