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front page article confirms my fears
Dec 13, 2014, 12:12 PM
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these co-coordinators are in over their head...will be learning on the job
buddy system alive and well in tiger town
i know its not a popular opinion but it is the truth
can't help but think if Dabo didn't have that new contract (and wasn't as popular as he is with the fan base) he wouldn't be going this route
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Any specific reason why you think they will fail?
Dec 13, 2014, 12:15 PM
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I agree there is a lot of uncertainty but I'm not ready to say it is destined to fail.
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Re: Any specific reason why you think they will fail?
Dec 13, 2014, 12:22 PM
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I'm not saying its "destined to fail" in its totality
I'm saying we are going to lose games that we shouldn't during this "learning process"
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Re: Any specific reason why you think they will fail?
Dec 13, 2014, 12:24 PM
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We lost games we shouldn't this past season and last year and yr before that.
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Re: Any specific reason why you think they will fail?
Dec 13, 2014, 12:26 PM
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certainly won't deny that...
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Not true. We only lost as favorites twice in the last 3
Dec 13, 2014, 12:27 PM
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seasons. @GT this year, and vs USC in 2012. We were dogs against FSU all 3 years, dogs @USC last year, and dogs @UGA this season.
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Orange Blooded [2429]
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Re: Not true. We only lost as favorites twice in the last 3
Dec 13, 2014, 12:29 PM
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Favorites or not We have lost games IMO the last 3 yrs we s could/should have won. FSU was favored this year but we should have won.
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Not really gonna argue that, but it happens.
Dec 13, 2014, 12:34 PM
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I'm sure Bama feels they should've beaten Auburn last year - UGA too. UGA should've beaten GT this year. TCU should've beaten Baylor and felt apart.
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Re: front page article confirms my fears
Dec 13, 2014, 12:15 PM
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Well then let them learn on the job. They are going to be just fine.
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Re: front page article confirms my fears
Dec 13, 2014, 12:17 PM
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If Dabo didn't feel they were ready, they wouldn't have the job. This is the perfect time for them to learn. Rob Spence could win with DW and our talent at RB and WR that we will have next season. I think Elliott is going to be a GREAT playcaller and I think Jeff has nothing but success in his background.
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Re: front page article confirms my fears
Dec 13, 2014, 12:22 PM
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No offense but what tells you that Elliot is going to be a "GREAT" playcaller? He's never done it before.
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Re: front page article confirms my fears
Dec 13, 2014, 12:29 PM
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blind faith
and we will have some success...we recruit really well
hides a lot of the problems behind the headset...8-10 wins and not making championship game
if we are content with that, then so be it
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Re: front page article confirms my fears
Dec 13, 2014, 12:54 PM
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Honestly I don't know if we're going to experience a big drop off and think it's possible our play calling improves. One of my biggest criticisms of Chad was his play calling.
I just don't understand why anyone would say Elliot is going to be a great playcaller at this point. It's a complete unknown.
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Re: front page article confirms my fears
Dec 13, 2014, 1:06 PM
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I don't know why anyone would say he won't be a great play caller?? 
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Re: front page article confirms my fears
Dec 13, 2014, 1:13 PM
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Predicting greatness is too presumptuous in my opinion. I obviously hope he's incredible, but I just have my fears.
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Re: front page article confirms my fears
Dec 13, 2014, 1:21 PM
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Elliott alluded to him and Scott calling some of the plays prior to Morris' departure in their interview. So, he has called plays before in a limited capacity.
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Re: front page article confirms my fears
Dec 13, 2014, 1:23 PM
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I didn't hear that from him...still not sure I'm going to count that as experience really.
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Mike Williams said it***
Dec 13, 2014, 7:19 PM
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Re: front page article confirms my fears
Dec 13, 2014, 12:45 PM
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What is so hard about calling plays when your O is loaded? Watch some film of the other D and call plays taking advantage of your strength and their weakness. Really easy our last game as the coot D was weak in every area.
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Re: front page article confirms my fears
Dec 13, 2014, 12:55 PM
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Using that phikosophy, I would be a great play caller. I'm available as long as I can live somewhere other than South Carolina and just fly in on gamedays haha
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Orange Blooded [4854]
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Re: front page article confirms my fears
Dec 13, 2014, 12:16 PM
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YOU are a joke!
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Re: front page article confirms my fears
Dec 13, 2014, 12:24 PM
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blow off ###### ...we share opinions on this board
you don't like it fine, but personal attacks are too typical of a response around here
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The "buddy system"...
Dec 13, 2014, 12:18 PM
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In TigerTown it's referred to as family...
Honest question:
When our offense was abysmal and we hired Chad Morris...did you call him "just a high school coach?"
Dabo had made excellent hires and has validated his ability to pick coaches and make tough decisions if/when those don't work out.
Why don't you let him do his job and quit wishing for more losses so that we have "more pressure." SMH
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Re: front page article confirms my fears
Dec 13, 2014, 12:18 PM
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What are you saying?
These guys have been a part of this offense for years. Worst case scenario, our offense maintains itself. The system is in place...why on earth would
they fail?
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Feeling a bit ornery?
Dec 13, 2014, 12:19 PM
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Losing a 5th commit will do that to ya.
It blows my mind people that think Dabo isn't going to make a decision to benefit himself. What benefits Dabo is continuing to be the head football coach by winning games and continue to get raises by winning games. What possible good would it do Dabo to hire people that he doesn't think will be successful?
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're trolling.
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Re: front page article confirms my fears
Dec 13, 2014, 12:19 PM
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smfh. you do realize that 7 of the top teams in the country have co coordinators. and i guess you missed the part where most of the job is done during the week, just like at every other school
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4 years ago he hired a guy 1 year removed from HS football.
Dec 13, 2014, 12:26 PM
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3 years ago he hired a guy who was being forced to share duties with the head coaches brother (a move that most everyone in college football saw as a bit of a demotion).
In both cases there was a lot of folks gnashing their teeth and wailing about these being poor decisions that would cost the program.
Fast forward to today and we have had an amazing run with our offense being seen as one of the more prolific units in the country and we have the best defense in the country. And our recruiting has steadily improved over that time (not that that was an issue to begin with).
So, maybe give the coach the benefit of the doubt.
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+1... Short, sweet, and to the point. Needs to be repeated
Dec 13, 2014, 12:57 PM
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for all the pessimists. Next year we should make a very good run with great possibilities. In 2016, barring some unforeseen disaster, Clemson should be one of the elite teams preseason.
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I'm curious how it'll work, but two brains are better than
Dec 13, 2014, 12:26 PM
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one so long as there are no egos involved.
If Dabo has had this in place for 2 years, I believe he's had ample amount of time to think of the consequences...I'm willing to bet he knows what he's doing.
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Re: front page article confirms my fears
Dec 13, 2014, 12:32 PM
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I guess they should have contacted WhsTiger before making this decision.
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Four years ago a lot of you were whining about that
Dec 13, 2014, 12:35 PM
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"high school" OC.
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Re: Four years ago a lot of you were whining about that
Dec 13, 2014, 12:40 PM
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and we lost five in a row to scar...haven't been back to championship game since 2011
...and all season I hear on tigernet how horrible that OC is
your point?
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smh
Dec 13, 2014, 12:45 PM
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chad was only part of 3 of those losses and he was a very big reason why we even won the 2011 championship, oh and way too leave out all the big wins he was an intergal part of. I guess what ever meets your agenda
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Pretty sure his point was determining whether you're a
Dec 13, 2014, 12:49 PM
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serial complainer and hand wringer, which I believe is now confirmed.
Will DW stay healthy?
Will our 2nd wave of young D-line and LB's pan out behind the Senior 7?
Will this incoming O-line class stay healthy?
Will Streeter be effective as QB coach?
Lots to worry about my friend. Enjoy.
Go Tigers!
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Tell 'em coot!***
Dec 13, 2014, 12:40 PM
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Hey Whscoot whats wrong, too depressing over there on fgf?? Lol***
Dec 13, 2014, 1:20 PM
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No one is "learning on the job."
Dec 13, 2014, 1:48 PM
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They are simply continuing the offense that is already established...the one they have been a part of since Morris came. Offensive scheme will look EXACTLY the same, just no Morris on the sidelines.
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Glad to see WhstigeR has sat in on all the
Dec 13, 2014, 6:33 PM
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coaches meetings & can give us an update on what's going on. Where do y'all sit around & look into this crystal ball & see into the future?
I'm over 50 years old & STILL "learning on the job" & I'm sure Dabo is as well. I hope to God you are as well.
Go d@mn Tigers (and Dabo)
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Sometimes young hungry coaches are greater than old
Dec 13, 2014, 6:41 PM
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@ssholes named Spurrier
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Play calling is not as much the art that it once was.
Dec 13, 2014, 7:30 PM
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Preparation leads you to have certain calls predetermined given down, distance and circumstances. One example of failed playcalling is FSU game 2nd and goal from the two inch line we have our Qb in shot gun formation and snap is over his head. Now we heard all of the excuses of why it happened. Fast forward to the scar game twice in goal line situation with a Qb with a bum knee we line up under center and score two tds. Now chad Morris was a godsend to Clemson but let's not pretend he was inerrant. Also with the Louisville game right before half we pick up a huge 1st down inside the 5 with less than 30 seconds to go and no timeouts. Instead of clocking the ball we run another play and waste valuable seconds leading to the blown scoring opportunity on the next play.
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As if Morris wasn't?
Dec 13, 2014, 7:34 PM
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Dood, you worry way too much about this stuff. Dabo's still on the job.
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Re: As if Morris wasn't?
Dec 14, 2014, 8:54 AM
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that my friend is even a more troubling thought as far as play calling is concerned. lets hope dabo does not dable in ANY play calling. ask billy napier if you need another opinion.
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Have you ever noticed the laminated sheets Morris and..
Dec 13, 2014, 9:05 PM
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other coordinators have on the sidelines. Not only do they have just the plays, but plays for certain down and distance situations depending on what the defense has been doing. Do you think none of those sheets are still around and that Scott and Elliott don't have them? Yes, you certainly have to know which of those plays to pick out, but it is not like the OC has to think about a hundred plays every time we snap the ball. I think we will do fine - really surprised if we don't!
What will surprise me is if Elliot doesn't get raked over the coals the first time one of his plays doesn't work - here on Tnet!
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Re: front page article confirms my fears
Dec 13, 2014, 9:55 PM
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Just let it play out! I believe in Dabo and they will get the job done. Of course if you have been against Dabo from the start nothing will make you happy! Go Tigers!
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Re: front page article confirms my fears
Dec 13, 2014, 10:55 PM
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All I can say is give them a chance. They might be the next Lane Kiffin.
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"i know its not a popular opinion but it is the truth"
Dec 13, 2014, 11:01 PM
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Nothing you said is truth. It's all baseless opinion. You're a pessimistic person with a bad attitude and sour look on all things. Look at your posts. You are not a good representation of a what a Clemson man is supposed to be all about. Please, just go away and find a hobby where you can actually have some fun. Ever tried knitting?
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Knitting? How about tag team sky diving? Where he jumps
Dec 14, 2014, 7:42 AM
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first without a shoot and then a friend jumps second and brings him his shoot, etc..., etc...
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Re: front page article confirms my fears
Dec 13, 2014, 11:13 PM
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I think where most of us differ about this co-oc thing is what I believe - that Dabo is only as good as his coordinators. He went out and hired some really, really good ones and Dabo looked great because our program rose to a new level. Now we have lost one of those coordinators. Replacing a great one with 2 unproven rookies is ludicrous IMO. I know it's the CLEMSON way. The problem is going to be that we will suddenly see just how good (or bad) Dabo really is as HC. If you need a comparison, think about Saban in this situation. No problem - right? I'm not so sure that we're in for some major bumps in the road as Dabo tries to right the ship. It won't be pretty IMO. I hope I'm wrong, but this one is almost a no-brainer.
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Let's face it, you're giddy and hoping it fails.
Dec 14, 2014, 9:22 AM
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Your posting history and clear Dabo hate are the facts of this situation, not your post.
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