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Foul on Hunter’s game winner? How legit?
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Jan 29, 2023, 3:13 PM
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I thought it was a pretty obvious foul with the hip and leg. The defender slammed the shooter’s body and altered his progress even though no contact to hand/arm was made.
But, now I see lots of people from other fan bases saying it was a bad call at that point in the game.
What is the consensus here with no orange glasses?
Was it a foul?
And maybe just as important …,Would we EVER get that same call in Chapel Hill of Cameron?
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Re: Foul on Hunter’s game winner? How legit?
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Jan 29, 2023, 3:16 PM
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It was a foul. End of story.
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It was absolutely a foul and the refs had to call it.
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Jan 29, 2023, 3:19 PM
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He was bumped, to the point that he was almost horizontal in the air on the way down.
If it were a borderline call they would not have called it at that point in the game.
Great job by Chase to get to the rim, absorb the contact, and finish the play. He forced the refs to make a call and that’s exactly what you want to do in that situation.
If Dawes or Honor had been our PG last night, that would have been a contested runner or an outside shot, both of which are lower percentage shots than what Chase got us.
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That's highly exaggerated. It was minor lower body contact, and that's a call
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Jan 29, 2023, 4:49 PM
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that's not normally called in that spot.
Great game by Chase though.
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It may be minor lower body contact but it occurs
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Jan 29, 2023, 5:00 PM
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When a player is airborne and sends him near horizontal. Clear foul. Closer to a flagrant than a non call.
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I watched it live and the replay.
Jan 29, 2023, 6:33 PM
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I didn't see the whole "horizontal " thing at all, and by stretch of the imagination was it a flagrant foul.
I'm happy it was called and happy we won. But I do fully believe it was a borderline call.
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Sorry sir, but this foul is nothing like you
Jan 29, 2023, 6:41 PM
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described. He did not knock Chase horizontal and by no means was it a flagrant foul. The defender went straight up, and there was lower body contact. A call like this in this situation is rare indeed.
I'll take it, but some folks are really exaggerating what happened.
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Yes, lots of borderline calls.
Jan 29, 2023, 6:46 PM
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But this foul, at that point in the game, isn't normally called.
Again, great game by Chase and awesome game winning drive with confidence.
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Re: Yes, lots of borderline calls.
Jan 29, 2023, 8:27 PM
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You must have missed the elbow to his neck. Defender was pushing with his arm. Thats why he went sideways. He did get pushed and thats the only reason he went sideways. Flagrant is debatable, but the defender very clearly tried to alter his shot with contact. Clear foul
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Re: It was absolutely a foul and the refs had to call it.
Jan 29, 2023, 5:06 PM
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He was bumped, to the point that he was almost horizontal in the air on the way down.
If it were a borderline call they would not have called it at that point in the game.
Great job by Chase to get to the rim, absorb the contact, and finish the play. He forced the refs to make a call and that’s exactly what you want to do in that situation.
If Dawes or Honor had been our PG last night, that would have been a contested runner or an outside shot, both of which are lower percentage shots than what Chase got us.
Didn’t Dawes hit a game winner vs fsu before Covid in almost the same manner at littlejohn?
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Re: It was absolutely a foul and the refs had to call it.
Jan 29, 2023, 5:06 PM
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He was bumped, to the point that he was almost horizontal in the air on the way down.
If it were a borderline call they would not have called it at that point in the game.
Great job by Chase to get to the rim, absorb the contact, and finish the play. He forced the refs to make a call and that’s exactly what you want to do in that situation.
If Dawes or Honor had been our PG last night, that would have been a contested runner or an outside shot, both of which are lower percentage shots than what Chase got us.
Didn’t Dawes hit a game winner vs fsu before Covid in almost the same manner at littlejohn?
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I assume you’re talking about this one.
Jan 29, 2023, 6:09 PM
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https://youtu.be/ydrLHcNIa8o
I view them as different. Dawes hit his right after a made basket, not a dead ball. FSU wasn’t set like they were for Chase’s shot, which was a dead ball after a made free throw.
Chase also made his shot against contact, a much harder shot.
I’m not bashing Dawes, he’s just not typically apt to drive to the basket. Chase is outstanding at getting into the paint.
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I liked the call. You could call body contact to n that one.
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Jan 29, 2023, 3:19 PM
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That said, no way we get that call at Duke or in Chapel Hill.
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Re: I liked the call. You could call body contact to n that one.
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Jan 29, 2023, 4:46 PM
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Agreed. Doubt we get the call against Duke or UNC in Littlejohn either.
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It was a foul
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Jan 29, 2023, 3:20 PM
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And after calling every other conceivable foul down the stretch it would’ve been horrible to not call that one. I understand the argument that refs need to “let ‘em play” and I don’t hate it when they do, but it has to be consistent. And it would’ve been very inconsistent to not call that foul after the contact they’d called earlier.
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It was a foul, no question
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Jan 29, 2023, 3:21 PM
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Dude knocked him for a loop
Watched the replay a few times and there was major contact
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He got knocked on his butt. Easy foul to call.***
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Jan 29, 2023, 3:23 PM
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Re: Foul on Hunter’s game winner? How legit?
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Jan 29, 2023, 3:25 PM
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Foul, Yes!!!
Period end of story.
Go Tigers.........
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Anyone who uses the point of time in the game argument
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Jan 29, 2023, 3:31 PM
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deserves to have a basketball thrown in their face
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You’re asking TNet to be objective? That’s funny***
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Jan 29, 2023, 3:41 PM
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Re: Foul on Hunter’s game winner? How legit?
Jan 29, 2023, 3:43 PM
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I thought it was a wimpy call, but glad to get it and he had to make the FT. Rewatched it several times. Made up for some worse ones against us.
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Re: Foul on Hunter’s game winner? How legit?
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Jan 29, 2023, 3:49 PM
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Absolutely.Knocked him backwards and sideways.
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Re: Foul on Hunter’s game winner? How legit?
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Jan 29, 2023, 4:09 PM
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Yeah, it was more his momentum. You see it all the time and it's not called. Good acting job. It was called and that's that. Kinda like you see what you want too. I blew it up and watched it frame by frame.
That said, it was very poorly played defense the whole play. You can clearly see why fsu is a quad 4 team.
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They are quad 3, not quad 4.
Jan 29, 2023, 6:15 PM
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And that is mostly due to some bad losses early in the year when they were without some players.
The team we played clearly is better than a quad 3.
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Re: Foul on Hunter’s game winner? How legit?
Jan 29, 2023, 4:18 PM
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That was a good call IMO. The one I couldn’t figure out was a little earlier when PJ went flying to the ground under the basket. Watched that one several times and didn’t see any contact except maybe a little from Tyson. I refereed intramural basketball when I was at Clemson and it is really hard to see everything going on in real time.
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I’ll second that, it is very hard to ref a game in bball
Jan 29, 2023, 5:39 PM
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Half the time it is a judgement call as to whether someone got hit on the hand or not
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The defender was holding Hunters arm...
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Jan 29, 2023, 4:58 PM
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as he was going to the basket. Worst case, its a two shot foul on the floor. Best case, he gets the "and one". Either way, there was a foul.
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Re: Foul on Hunter’s game winner? How legit?
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Jan 29, 2023, 5:29 PM
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I thought a foul was a foul regardless of when it occurred or was called.
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IMO
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Jan 29, 2023, 6:06 PM
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It was way past time for Clemson to get a call late in the game. Like since the ACC was formed in 1953. Celebrate it. It doesn’t happen often.
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Re: Foul on Hunter’s game winner? How legit?
Jan 29, 2023, 6:11 PM
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In Cameron that would've been called a charge, Duke would've gotten two free throws, made them both and won by four
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Re: Foul on Hunter’s game winner? How legit?
Jan 29, 2023, 6:15 PM
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We will get no calls in chapel hole in a few weeks
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I am certain
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Jan 29, 2023, 6:19 PM
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This is never a topic of discussion on the Duke and UNC boards. You get a call finally and you question it? Unbelievable.
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The elbow/forearm to Chase's chin as he left his feet was enough.
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Jan 29, 2023, 6:20 PM
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That's a foul alone. I'd personally eat the whistle otherwise.
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Re: Foul on Hunter’s game winner? How legit?
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Jan 29, 2023, 7:14 PM
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There were so many bogus calls against Clemson in that game, who really cares.
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Re: Foul on Hunter’s game winner? How legit?
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Jan 29, 2023, 8:15 PM
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Yeah, I thought the foul with the hip check actually occurred about 12’ from the basket and continued all the way to the basket. At that point, Cleveland could have disengaged and probably gotten a no-call; but by increasing the lower body contact at the point where his plane intersected Chase’s, he made the worst of all plays, gave up the game-tying FG as well as the game-winning FT.
A clear and decisive foul 12’ from the basket doesn’t necessarily lose them the game. A hoop-and-harm did.
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It has always bugged me, when someone says a foul
Jan 29, 2023, 10:51 PM
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shouldn't be called "at that point in the game"! Fouls should be called exactly the same, whether it's midway the first half, or with 10 seconds left in a tie game!
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